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tictactony
09/03/08, 03:42 AM
Created in 1913 by United States economists, it has done nothing but stifle the pockets of Americans. Personally, I'm not voting in any election until they promise or sign an affidavit to get rid of the Federal Reserve Bank. How about you guys?
saysmydoctor
09/03/08, 05:36 AM
I think you know jackshit about economics. Class?
boykosaurus
09/03/08, 05:50 AM
You don't know how the Fed works, do you?
Nevuk
09/03/08, 06:00 AM
lol. There are some issues with the Fed, but I prefer it to the old gold standard - William Jennings Bryant's Cross of Gold speech was to get rid of gold and go to silver.
Until The Bombs
09/03/08, 06:18 AM
Haha.
wrppdarndyrfngr
09/03/08, 06:37 AM
wow
boykosaurus
09/03/08, 08:31 AM
I visited the Fed this Summer, it was an awesome experience where I learned a lot.
Dizzy4rmReentry
09/03/08, 08:41 AM
As a business economics major, I can kick your ass on any debate about this subject, so don't even go for it.
apoemtothedead
09/03/08, 08:45 AM
Hey guys, who wants to go through another Great Depression?
Killadelphia
09/03/08, 09:17 AM
Is it the system that is flawed or the men who run it?

Personally, we should just get rid of currency too and go back to trading sticks and ox fur.
Jesse00
09/03/08, 05:24 PM
BARTER FTW!!
http://www.freeelpaso.com/images/barter.png
andrew4045
09/03/08, 05:26 PM
good luck ever voting
IXI CHEWIE IXI
09/03/08, 05:49 PM
my opinion to not voting is a slap in the face to every soldier that ever enlisted for the United States Army
Killadelphia
09/03/08, 05:57 PM
my opinion to not voting is a slap in the face to every soldier that ever enlisted for the United States Army

You have a right to vote, you don't have to. A shitty bi-partisan system is the same slap in the face.
IXI CHEWIE IXI
09/03/08, 05:58 PM
You have a right to vote, you don't have to. A shitty bi-partisan system is the same slap in the face.
i know you have the right but i see not taking advantage of that right as a waste
Killadelphia
09/03/08, 06:04 PM
i know you have the right but i see not taking advantage of that right as a waste

I understand that, but why should you have to vote for shit. Sure I can vote, but my vote won't matter when I don't want to vote for either Obama or McCain.
saysmydoctor
09/03/08, 06:42 PM
It's always better to pick the lesser of two evils. Do I agree with Obama on everything? Not even in the slightest. Will he still receive my vote? Yes, he is more left than McCain and the US needs that.
Killadelphia
09/03/08, 06:51 PM
It's always better to pick the lesser of two evils. Do I agree with Obama on everything? Not even in the slightest. Will he still receive my vote? Yes, he is more left than McCain and the US needs that.

lol. That voting structure is why we will continue to have 2 parties running for president for a long time.
saysmydoctor
09/03/08, 08:21 PM
Not voting is the best way to FIGHT THE POWER!!!
Sic Transit Zeb
09/03/08, 08:25 PM
As a business economics major, I can kick your ass on any debate about this subject, so don't even go for it.

prove it
Killadelphia
09/03/08, 08:30 PM
Not voting is the best way to FIGHT THE POWER!!!

no, you're telling me I have to vote between 1 of 2 people. That system sucks.
saysmydoctor
09/03/08, 08:49 PM
Or you could vote for no candidate and make absolutely no impact.
Nevuk
09/03/08, 09:05 PM
It's always better to pick the lesser of two evils. Do I agree with Obama on everything? Not even in the slightest. Will he still receive my vote? Yes, he is more left than McCain and the US needs that.
I don't vote but I remain active, my not voting is because I strongly object to that method and would think it incredibly hypocritical of me to partake in it.
IcedOpethBlind
09/03/08, 09:05 PM
jesus christ, someone help the thread starter
Nevuk
09/03/08, 09:13 PM
Plus I see voting for Obama as like voting for Beelzebub instead of Satan. Which would actually be an awesome election, but still, both are so far away from it's ridiculous to vote for them.
Killadelphia
09/04/08, 05:10 AM
Or you could vote for no candidate and make absolutely no impact.

There are other ways to make an impact besides voting.
oldwirehands
09/04/08, 10:41 AM
It's always better to pick the lesser of two evils. Do I agree with Obama on everything? Not even in the slightest. Will he still receive my vote? Yes, he is more left than McCain and the US needs that.

The whole lesser of the two evils thing really never made much sense to me at all. I mean, its your right to vote for whatever reason you want but I couldn't use my vote in that reasoning.
Killadelphia
09/04/08, 10:42 AM
The whole lesser of the two evils thing really never made much sense to me at all. I mean, its your right to vote for whatever reason you want but I couldn't use my vote in that reasoning.

thank you.
GiggsOho
09/04/08, 11:55 AM
Wow, thread starter, do you hate having money? What would you like to use as currency, leaves?


I stay out of econ arguments on this site because I don't have a shittin' clue where to begin, but even I know this is an epically dumb statement.
Aether
09/12/08, 04:04 PM
Well since my comment in this thread caused the thread I made afterward about the same topic to be closed, I might as well just post what I had in there on here (wouldn't hurt?):


I'm not sure if this video has been posted or discussed before on these forums, but I feel it is something worth sharing with whoever is willing to give it a chance, regardless of your political affiliation. There is no liberal or conservative bias to the film, so please leave that bullshit behind. Whether you agree with the premise being posed is up to you, but at least it will allow you to understand the basis for why there is so much criticism against the Federal Reserve out there.


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We can't just be quick to assume that condemning the Federal Reserve is just another movement based around ridiculous accusations. Do your research, we all know there's suspicious things going on behind the scenes of our government.
ghostyouare
09/12/08, 04:49 PM
How about voting for a 3rd party candidate, it actually sends some what of a message.
saysmydoctor
09/12/08, 05:42 PM
Really? It sends a message, I wasted my vote on a candidate I knew wouldn't win. I'm not proponent of the two party system, but reform doesn't come from voting for them in the presidential election. Gotta start smaller.
open mind
09/12/08, 06:28 PM
Really? It sends a message, I wasted my vote on a candidate I knew wouldn't win. I'm not proponent of the two party system, but reform doesn't come from voting for them in the presidential election. Gotta start smaller.

it's not a wasted vote, because no matter how you spin it it's a political statement telling both parties that there are people who are totally dissatisfied with them.

by your logic voting obama in alaska is a wasted vote because he has no chance of auctually winning in this overwhelmingly red state.....are you telling me to vote mccain?
apoemtothedead
09/12/08, 10:33 PM
Really? It sends a message, I wasted my vote on a candidate I knew wouldn't win. I'm not proponent of the two party system, but reform doesn't come from voting for them in the presidential election. Gotta start smaller.
I wasn't aware that I was supposed to vote for someone because I thought they would win.
benjammun
09/13/08, 01:08 AM
Go to Bolivia or any other country that takes democracy seriously and tell them they shouldn't vote for who they want because it impedes on the other guys' chances.
jsteil
09/13/08, 08:26 PM
I understand exactly why your wanting to get rid of the Federal Reserve and Income Tax based on unconstitutionality. For many years I have vowed to not pay my taxes based on that premise, but every year I file my taxes and pay whatever I owe.

The Fed is not going anywhere, it will take a revolt by the people of this country to get rid of it. Politicians are never going to vote against there open checkbook. I do believe that we need more oversight on the fed and the presidents plunge protection team on how they affect markets. Today I read a few articles on how the head of the FDIC checked the balance book and saw that 11billion dollars of insurance was held by the treasury department. When asked to see it the Treasury department said that the money wasn't there and that they used the money on government entitlement programs. The 11billion dollars is being held by the fed with IOU's.
benjammun
09/13/08, 09:41 PM
Having a privatized bank issuing state money at worthless value and regulating interest rates seems like more of a symptom of rampant state-capitalism to me, I mean, under this type of economy it seems perfectly logical for these banks to try and maximize their interests and share of power. There's no incentive for behaving any differently.

Fuck capitalism.