Powell Plans to Resigns [Archive]

Justin_stacy

11/15/04, 09:07 AM

does anyone find this strange?

everyone is resigning it seems. 3 others are to follow powell. and i wouldn't be surprised if rumsfeld does too now.

what that people resign? you do know that that is nothing new to reelected presidents?......Clinton had 7 people resign in 96 (Including his Secretary of State), should we also have found that "shocking"? ....

cal1082

11/15/04, 09:10 AM

what that people resign? you do know that that is nothing new to reelected presidents?......Clinton had 7 people resign in 96, should we also have found that "shocking"?

only if you like conspiracy theories, so this board should run rampid with this topic.

BrandNew20

11/15/04, 09:14 AM

damn, I liked Powell.

Justin_stacy

11/15/04, 09:15 AM

only if you like conspiracy theories, so this board should run rampid with this topic.

Well didn’t you see Moore’s new movie? “it showed “proof” that the reason Bush is forcing Powell to resign, is because Powell was trying to stop him from building a new oil pipeline through the middle of a children’s hospital in Baghdad….”

yeat182

11/15/04, 09:37 AM

i liked powell. hopefully he'll pop up in the 2008 elections.

self.portrait.

11/15/04, 03:15 PM

Powell wasn't a bad guy.

Kind of sad because Bush will most likely get some nut to fill his spot.

cal1082

11/15/04, 05:17 PM

Bush Chooses Rice to Replace Powell

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Bush_Administration

self.portrait.

11/15/04, 05:18 PM

*sigh*

Come back Powell.

UndefinedBoy

11/15/04, 05:53 PM

Bush Chooses Rice to Replace Powell

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Bush_Administration

Sad.

yeat182

11/15/04, 05:55 PM

SON OF A BITCH. Fuck rice.

i have a hard time understanding why people, especially liberals, would opposes a succesful woman (a black woman at that), getting a position of importance in the administration?

mondeoman

11/15/04, 06:01 PM

I like his replacement for Ashcroft. He knows that he's pissed a lot ( 49% of Americans) of people off so he's doing something about that.

nightjarWI

11/15/04, 06:04 PM

Is it me or was Powell the only good part of this cabinet?

yeat182

11/15/04, 06:04 PM

I like his replacement for Ashcroft. He knows that he's pissed a lot ( 49% of Americans) of people off so he's doing something about that.

rice is replacing powell.

yeat182

11/15/04, 06:05 PM

Is it me or was Powell the only good part of this cabinet?
he probably didn't want to associate himself with them anymore. they made him take a lot of heat for Iraq.

BrandNew20

11/15/04, 06:26 PM

i have a hard time understanding why people, especially liberals, would opposes a succesful woman (a black woman at that), getting a position of importance in the administration?

Rice is a bitch, thats why I don't like her. She has such a friggen attitude.

yeat182

11/15/04, 06:34 PM

Rice is a bitch, thats why I don't like her. She has such a friggen attitude.

then i want to hear no complaints should anyone bring up hilary clinton.

_astheruinfalls

11/15/04, 06:38 PM

then i want to hear no complaints should anyone bring up hilary clinton.
Haha, agreed.

BrandNew20

11/15/04, 07:11 PM

then i want to hear no complaints should anyone bring up hilary clinton.

ok, deal.

No Control

11/15/04, 07:24 PM

Is it me or was Powell the only good part of this cabinet?

Agreed. Though he would never win in an election, I would vote for him if he ran.

mondeoman

11/15/04, 07:38 PM

rice is replacing powell.
Yeah I know. I forgot to put what I was gonna add to the thread.
Oh yeah she's a bitch.

yeat182

11/15/04, 07:43 PM

why do people consider her a bitch?

BrandNew20

11/15/04, 07:47 PM

why do people consider her a bitch?

I consider her to be a bitch just from the numerous public statements that I have seen her make. She always seemed snappy, and in a bad overall mood. Seeing her try to avoid the 9/11 commision was kinda the last straw, she was out on a limb trying to justify that...

yeat182

11/15/04, 07:49 PM

I consider her to be a bitch just from the numerous public statements that I have seen her make. She always seemed snappy, and in a bad overall mood. Seeing her try to avoid the 9/11 commision was kinda the last straw, she was out on a limb trying to justify that...

trying to justify what?

Bikeage

11/15/04, 07:57 PM

i dont like either Powell or Rice... they're whitewashed anyways (half-joking)

No Control

11/15/04, 08:00 PM

i dont like either Powell or Rice... they're whitewashed anyways (half-joking)

I like Powell with the way he deals with foreign relations. He really does find a way to establish good foreign relations with countries. (until W. but thats a long debate not worth typing over) His military service is as well respectible as well as his story of his upbringing. He was not raised with a "silver spoon" in his hand and worked to where he is today. I saw a whole biography on him. Much respect for the man.

BrandNew20

11/15/04, 08:18 PM

trying to justify what?

when she was trying to avoid the 9/11 commision, she commented on how it was unprecented for a National Securtiy Advisor to testify underoath, that was a bit out there.

Justin_stacy

11/15/04, 08:25 PM

i dont like either Powell or Rice... they're whitewashed anyways (half-joking)

So an african american is only black if their liberal, right?.....that kind of mindset seem kind of racist, or at least half-racist...doesn't?

Also when exactly did ideology (or lack there of) begin setting skin pigment?...

yeat182

11/15/04, 09:03 PM

when she was trying to avoid the 9/11 commision, she commented on how it was unprecented for a National Securtiy Advisor to testify underoath, that was a bit out there.

yeah but it was true.

did you have a problem with any of the questioners?

cal1082

11/15/04, 09:29 PM

for those who don't like Rice........why? What makes her any worse than Powell?

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 06:18 AM

yeah but it was true.

did you have a problem with any of the questioners?

My view on the whole situation was that the 9/11 commision in itself was unprecedented, so she needed to testfy so that we could figure out what exactly happened in the breakdown of intelligence, etc. Being National Security Advisor, she definatly had some role in it, even if she had only been in office for a short period of time.(obviously 9/11 was not all her fault)

As for the questioners, I think that they sucked up a bit too much to the likes of Richard Clarke and the democrats who testified before them, but when it came right down to it, I think that they asked the questions that needed to be asked, and that the recommendations that they made were fair.

cal1082

11/16/04, 12:34 PM

for those who don't like Rice........why? What makes her any worse than Powell?

anyone?

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 12:45 PM

anyone?

I've said twice why I don't like Rice.

cal1082

11/16/04, 12:50 PM

I've said twice why I don't like Rice.

from what i saw you don't like her because you feel she's a bitch, and she seems snappy. I, like you, don't really how much of either she is. Point being I'm looking for reasons why she's not a good replacement for Powell. I don't care what mood you think she has because she's not really a politician.

VinnyVegas

11/16/04, 12:52 PM

She is a hard liner that sees the world through compassionate conservative eyes. Powell was the one voice of reason and sanity in the Bush administration. Now we are left with nothing but "yes men" and "yes women" who blindly follow the president and don't acknowledge mistakes. Powell, who is a former general, admits that the intelligence used to invade Iraq was faulty. I don't see anybody else stepping up in the Bush administration to admit that they were wrong; Rice included.

Sorry about the grammatical structure, but I'm in a hurry and I'm at work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3596033.stm
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6370525/site/newsweek/

cal1082

11/16/04, 12:57 PM

She is a hard liner that sees the world through compassionate conservative eyes. Powell was the one voice of reason and sanity in the Bush administration. Now we are left with nothing but "yes men" and "yes women" who blindly follow the president and don't acknowledge mistakes. Powell, who is a former general, admits that the intelligence used to invade Iraq was faulty. I don't see anybody else stepping up in the Bush administration to admit that they were wrong; Rice included.
Sorry about the grammatical structure, but I'm in a hurry and I'm at work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3596033.stm
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6370525/site/newsweek/

Maybe you're not looking hard enough? ------->http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3443627.stm

Also I dont see where you get Rice will be a "yes women".

VinnyVegas

11/16/04, 01:04 PM

Maybe you're not looking hard enough? ------->http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3443627.stm

Also I dont see where you get Rice will be a "yes women".

Okay...you got me and the "yes woman" argument is pure conjecture. There's no way I can argue this successfully, so I I'll just quit while I still have some dignity. I just posted out of raw emotion because I dislike Bush and I want everything he does to be wrong.

cal1082

11/16/04, 01:08 PM

Okay...you got me and the "yes woman" argument is pure conjecture. There's no way I can argue this successfully, so I I'll just quit while I still have some dignity. I just posted out of raw emotion because I dislike Bush and I want everything he does to be wrong.

Wow, that's the most honest thing out of everyone on the board who dislikes Bush has said. At least you admit that unlike most.

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 01:10 PM

from what i saw you don't like her because you feel she's a bitch, and she seems snappy. I, like you, don't really how much of either she is. Point being I'm looking for reasons why she's not a good replacement for Powell. I don't care what mood you think she has because she's not really a politician.

I also talked about her avoiding the 9/11 commision, which I think is fairly good reason not to like her...

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 01:13 PM

cal1082

11/16/04, 01:14 PM

I also talked about her avoiding the 9/11 commision, which I think is fairly good reason not to like her...

It's not fair to say she was trying to avoid. She might not have wanted to be under oath, or testified in public (seperation of power reasons that I dont understand), but she wasnt avoiding testifying.

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 01:17 PM

It's not fair to say she was trying to avoid. She might not have wanted to be under oath, or testified in public (seperation of power reasons that I dont understand), but she wasnt avoiding testifying.

ok, thats fair. But she clearly did not want to testfy underoath.

cal1082

11/16/04, 01:17 PM

I really liked Powell, he was fairly moderate, he would speak up for what he thought was right, and was a very good public speaker. I don't see the qualities that I liked in Powell in Rice, therefore I don't think she is as good as him, and won't make as good of a replacement.

It's fine if you don't, but you dont say why. How do you know Rice is not moderate, doesnt speak up for what she thinks, and not a good public speaker?

cal1082

11/16/04, 01:18 PM

ok, thats fair. But she clearly did not want to testfy underoath.

Yes, I know. And again that goes back to seperation of powers, which I dont understand. Others like Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney did not go under oath either.

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 01:22 PM

It's fine if you don't, but you dont say why. How do you know Rice is not moderate, doesnt speak up for what she thinks, and not a good public speaker?

To be honest, I don't. I just know that I was comfortable with what Colin Powell brought to the table, and the job that he was doing, overall. I've seen Rice at select moments, and I haven't liked the way that she has handled herself(TV interviews, etc). That makes me worry, because Secretry of State is clearly a very important and influential position.

Is there anyone who is expected to replace Rice as National Security Advisor presently?

cal1082

11/16/04, 03:30 PM

To be honest, I don't. I just know that I was comfortable with what Colin Powell brought to the table, and the job that he was doing, overall. I've seen Rice at select moments, and I haven't liked the way that she has handled herself(TV interviews, etc). That makes me worry, because Secretry of State is clearly a very important and influential position.

Is there anyone who is expected to replace Rice as National Security Advisor presently?

That's my point. I think it's unfair for people, not just you, to say she's a bad replacement for Powell when in all honesty they have nothing more than personal opinions based on what little they've seen of her. There's a significant difference from liking a person, to how good they do there appointed job, and I've seen nothing to suggest Rice wouldnt be a good secretary of state.

Example: I didnt care for albright as a person, didnt dislike her, but just wasnt a fan. I thought she did an alright job as secretary of state.

Justin_stacy

11/16/04, 07:18 PM

I really liked Powell, he was fairly moderate,

so, I’m guessing you preferred Bush to Kerry then?...right....

UndefinedBoy

11/16/04, 08:04 PM

so, I’m guessing you preferred Bush to Kerry then?...right....

How'd you connect that?

Justin_stacy

11/16/04, 08:07 PM

How'd you connect that?

He said he prefers moderates, so that basically ruled out any support for Kerry...

BrandNew20

11/16/04, 09:41 PM

He said he prefers moderates, so that basically ruled out any support for Kerry...

I would prefer someone who is moderate, to someone who is socially conservative. I consider myself liberal and voted for Kerry, but I can see how it is best for someone who is by our definitions moderate to be in the position of secretary of state.

No Control

11/16/04, 10:32 PM

That's my point. I think it's unfair for people, not just you, to say she's a bad replacement for Powell when in all honesty they have nothing more than personal opinions based on what little they've seen of her. There's a significant difference from liking a person, to how good they do there appointed job, and I've seen nothing to suggest Rice wouldnt be a good secretary of state.

Example: I didnt care for albright as a person, didnt dislike her, but just wasnt a fan. I thought she did an alright job as secretary of state.

Ok so yes, we DONT know if she'll do a good job or not, but it doesnt exclude the fact that Powell was good in the position appointed to him. He has a way with foreign relations that most others could not accomplish. The majority of the foreign countries trust him and most of all I trust him and that is a good enough reason to want him back in a position to better and help this country. I honestly thought you would feel the same way too since I know you support Bush.

_astheruinfalls

11/17/04, 04:00 AM

He said he prefers moderates, so that basically ruled out any support for Kerry...
That's a pretty stupid reason.

Bush isn't a moderate either.

Justin_stacy

11/17/04, 08:23 AM

That's a pretty stupid reason..
If you say you like moderate candidates, and actually means it, why would you vote for a far (by American standards) left wing candidate? That wouldn’t make the slightest bit of sense….

Bush isn't a moderate either.
He might not have been dead center (which no one actually is), but he was not to the extreme reaches of his party, like kerry.....nor would he, honestly, be considered a "conservative" republican, where as Kerry was, and took great pride in calling himself, a "liberal" democrat (except durring the presidential election, then he tried to hide from it)...

cal1082

11/17/04, 09:18 AM

Ok so yes, we DONT know if she'll do a good job or not, but it doesnt exclude the fact that Powell was good in the position appointed to him. He has a way with foreign relations that most others could not accomplish. The majority of the foreign countries trust him and most of all I trust him and that is a good enough reason to want him back in a position to better and help this country. I honestly thought you would feel the same way too since I know you support Bush.

I would like to leave Powell as secretary of state, but he obviously has other ambitions. Doesnt mean though that even if I'd like Powell to stay that Rice would do worse.

Love As Arson

11/17/04, 09:45 AM

I suppose the guilt and corruption was too much for him.

_astheruinfalls

11/17/04, 01:19 PM

If you say you like moderate candidates, and actually means it, why would you vote for a far (by American standards) left wing candidate? That wouldn’t make the slightest bit of sense….

He might not have been dead center (which no one actually is), but he was not to the extreme reaches of his party, like kerry.....nor would he, honestly, be considered a "conservative" republican, where as Kerry was, and took great pride in calling himself, a "liberal" democrat (except durring the presidential election, then he tried to hide from it)...
I like moderate candidates. That would be like saying because you like gray, you can't like blue because it's not close enough to gray. People don't have to always stick to the same guidlines.

No one cares.