Your Thoughts on College Majors????

[shrguy]

My dad and I had a conversation a few weeks back about dumb football players and how if they're grades slip in college, they cannot play. Now for some of these football players, football is their lives and their only hope is for playing professionaly or coaching of some sort. These guys have to take classes that have nothing to do with what they are interested in; consequently making it hard to succeed. This was my argument:
If dance people can major in 'dance', why can't a football player major in 'football'. This can be true for other athletics too..... just a thought.

[Speyside]

hmm... that is a good point actually

[venus/bacchus]

You bring up a fairly good argument, but no college is going to give away a diploma in football to every player on the team every year.

[shrguy]

You bring up a fairly good argument, but no college is going to give away a diploma in football to every player on the team every year.
oh i know. i'm thinking for the players that have no chance in life for anything else. namely, i was thinking about a past player from ohio state (andy katzenmoyer). his grades were awful, but he was awesome at football and left after his junior year to play in the NFL. i'm counting on people not to major in it, if they have no chance in hell, but a degree in 'football' would also help for coaching positions and such.

[Bishop]

It depends because there are many different types of dancing including jazz, ballet, hip hop, tp and only one type of football. I also had a friend who has played football all of his life until he was 16 and then he started doing ballet and is currently on a dancing scholarship and he told me that ballet is much much harder than football.

[venus/bacchus]

oh i know. i'm thinking for the players that have no chance in life for anything else. namely, i was thinking about a past player from ohio state (andy katzenmoyer). his grades were awful, but he was awesome at football and left after his junior year to play in the NFL. i'm counting on people not to major in it, if they have no chance in hell, but a degree in 'football' would also help for coaching positions and such.
haha, as a Michigan fan, it's hilarious that you mentioned Andy Katzenmoyer. He couldn't pass AIDS awareness or golf for Christ's sake!

Anyway, I think for the people who would want nothing more than to be a football coach after college (players and non-players alike) this could be a possibility, but I really don't see the demand. Initially there would probably be a huge draw solely for its novelty, but as the years went by, most people would probably take a more realistic view and go for an applicable degree.

[selftitled85]

honestly i dont think football should be a basis to get into college at all. some kids spend a lot of time working hard for their grades in hs and instead of getting a scholarship he watches some guy who cant do anything except spend the schools money get a full ride when he will be leaving in three yrs and not even finish his education.

[AmericanZen]

If dance people can major in 'dance', why can't a football player major in 'football'. This can be true for other athletics too..... just a thought.

Cause dance is considered an art like music and theater, while football is a sport. Not really an art form of any type. So majoring in football would a dumb idea and a waste of tuition (not that football players have worry about paying that).

[venus/bacchus]

honestly i dont think football should be a basis to get into college at all. some kids spend a lot of time working hard for their grades in hs and instead of getting a scholarship he watches some guy who cant do anything except spend the schools money get a full ride when he will be leaving in three yrs and not even finish his education.
If you get the grades, you'll get a scholarship, no questions asked. So football players only spend the school's money? How about make the school millions upon millions of dollars? These kids don't get paid (in reality, I'm not talking about scholarships and merch), and the school takes complete advantage of them through the selling of jerseys, insane ticket prices, exposure, etc. The football players are more vital to a school than the majority of the students.

[selftitled85]

If you get the grades, you'll get a scholarship, no questions asked. So football players only spend the school's money? How about make the school millions upon millions of dollars? These kids don't get paid (in reality, I'm not talking about scholarships and merch), and the school takes complete advantage of them through the selling of jerseys, insane ticket prices, exposure, etc. The football players are more vital to a school than the majority of the students.


yeah but those millions and millions of dollars go to the athletic dept. it even says it during the bowl games and what not. and a lot of students who do well in hs are turned off by college cuz of the cost even though they are really smart and they dont have the chance to get a lot of money through scholarships or loans or anything

[nightjarWI]

honestly i dont think football should be a basis to get into college at all. some kids spend a lot of time working hard for their grades in hs and instead of getting a scholarship he watches some guy who cant do anything except spend the schools money get a full ride when he will be leaving in three yrs and not even finish his education.

I completely agree with you. I don't necessarily work my ass off, but I do try hard and it would pain me to see some moron who can't do multiplication, get into a better school than I do. The sad thing is I'm sure it will happen.

[venus/bacchus]

yeah but those millions and millions of dollars go to the athletic dept. it even says it during the bowl games and what not. and a lot of students who do well in hs are turned off by college cuz of the cost even though they are really smart and they dont have the chance to get a lot of money through scholarships or loans or anything
No, they don't all go to the atheltic department. They go to the schools, it's then up to the schools to partition it as they may. Obviously they'd want to put fuel to the fire, but the money does not go directly to the athletic departments.

If a kid is "really smart" (in the sense I think you are, which means he would be a great gift to the school), the only way that money would be an issue is if he was A) an idiot or B) extremely lazy. For "smart" kids there are endless scholarships out there, you just have to apply and meet (sometimes very minimal) criteria. If he can't get a loan, he's also probably one of the above again. Loans are extremely easy to come by when you're going into college. Banks love to see kids desperate for money who are going to be paying back in groves when they graduate. And don't even try to bring up "underprivileged" kids. They have far more opportunities to afford college because of a plethora of grants. If you have the grades, it's nearly impossible to not go to college if you want to.

[mondeoman]

No, they don't all go to the atheltic department. They go to the schools, it's then up to the schools to partition it as they may. Obviously they'd want to put fuel to the fire, but the money does not go directly to the athletic departments.

If a kid is "really smart" (in the sense I think you are, which means he would be a great gift to the school), the only way that money would be an issue is if he was A) an idiot or B) extremely lazy. For "smart" kids there are endless scholarships out there, you just have to apply and meet (sometimes very minimal) criteria. If he can't get a loan, he's also probably one of the above again. Loans are extremely easy to come by when you're going into college. Banks love to see kids desperate for money who are going to be paying back in groves when they graduate. And don't even try to bring up "underprivileged" kids. They have far more opportunities to afford college because of a plethora of grants. If you have the grades, it's nearly impossible to not go to college if you want to.
Yeah it is possible for them to go to college but it's still gonna cost them an arm and a leg. I'm in this situation. My grades weren't the greatest but still damn good and I was in a sport and other activities but since I'm going out of state, I've fucked myself for money but there are reasons for that.

The point is that there should be more help for good students, not some dumb wrestler, like one in my English class, who gets ALL of his clothes paid for. That's a little absurd.

And I agree with Mike, why not a football major, they spend most of their time with it anyway. Just as long as they have to take Gen Ed too.

[venus/bacchus]

Yeah it is possible for them to go to college but it's still gonna cost them an arm and a leg. I'm in this situation. My grades weren't the greatest but still damn good and I was in a sport and other activities but since I'm going out of state, I've fucked myself for money but there are reasons for that.

The point is that there should be more help for good students, not some dumb wrestler, like one in my English class, who gets ALL of his clothes paid for. That's a little absurd.

And I agree with Mike, why not a football major, they spend most of their time with it anyway. Just as long as they have to take Gen Ed too.
You chose to go out of state. If you're so strapped for cash, there are always 2 year community colleges and once you save the money you can go and get your degree from the 4 year school. Your situation (much like many other people's) isn't completely dire, you knew what you'd be getting into.

How much more help should there be?? There's an endless amount if you take the time to apply for everything and put youself out there. I see no reason that the government (I'm assuming that's what you mean) should be throwing more money at kids just because those kids didn't feel it was worth their time to apply for all the scholarships, grants, and loans.

[mondeoman]

You chose to go out of state. If you're so strapped for cash, there are always 2 year community colleges and once you save the money you can go and get your degree from the 4 year school. Your situation (much like many other people's) isn't completely dire, you knew what you'd be getting into.

How much more help should there be?? There's an endless amount if you take the time to apply for everything and put youself out there. I see no reason that the government (I'm assuming that's what you mean) should be throwing more money at kids just because those kids didn't feel it was worth their time to apply for all the scholarships, grants, and loans.
Oh yeah I know, I said that already. But I think there should be more help. In the 1960s it was possible for almost everybody to go to college and not have to pay out their ass. It's not that way anymore.

I would go to a 2 year community college but I've already done about half of my Gen Ed classes and I would have gone in state if my major was offered in state. Damn funding cuts.

I applied for like 20 scholarships last year and got 1. My best friend in high school didn't do shit and had a GPA way lower than me and got a scholarship too but his was more than twice mine. Point is that there ISN'T enough money to go round. That is unless you feed the homeless every day of the week, are in a sport or have "special circumstances".

I'm just an above average student who is very ambitious and my mother has several medical problems which prevent my folks from really helping me that much. I just think there should be some kind of reward for the years and years of good performance in school.