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yeat182
11/19/04, 10:21 AM
i came across this link on fark.com today, its from blog, and yes, it is very biased, so ignore the mocking of liberals. the overall story, however, raises a good point, as the title on fark reads: "Media only too happy to run a million Abu Ghraib photos, but hasn't run a single one on the Fallujah hostage slaughterhouse"

posted on this site: http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2004_11_14.html

THE PRESS IS HIDING THE SLAUGHTERHOUSES OF FALLUJAH
In the age of mass media and instant news, if we don't see images of something how long will our memories of it last? Our troops fighting in Fallujah have reportedly discovered several slaughterhouses--places where terrorists killed innocent civilians in brutal, disgusting fashion--around the city. But have you seen any pictures of those slaughterhouses? I haven't, and I think it's important that we do. We need to see what our enemy has been doing that led to the fighting there. We need to see why the Marines needed to be sent into that hellhole. The terrorist butcheries are part of why we're fighting there.

Let's take a walk around the media, in vain search of pictures of the Fallujah slaughterhouses. Here's a story about them, but what picture accompanies it? An unflattering shot of Iraqi PM Allawi.

Here's another story, no picture.

Chicago Tribune story, no pictures.

UK Times story, no pics.

The Australian runs a story, no photos.

The Independent runs a story about the discovery of a hostage chained to a wall in a slaughterhouse, no photos.

KC Star reports on the slaughterhouses, no photos.

Most of these stories are based on wire reports, either AP, AFP, UPI or Reuters. We've seen AP insert its photographers in terrorist units--how else does it get shots like this one? But the wires seem to have had no time to get a camera into any of these slaughterhouses that our troops have taken from the terrorists. We know these places exist, due to the fact that the terrorists had to have killed their victims somewhere. But all we have are brief descriptions. No photos.

Here are some Marines in a non-slaughterhouse in Fallujah, courtesy the Canadian Press. Here are some Marines in a house in which they found some IEDs, courtesy AP. On Yahoo's news photo search there are hundreds of photos from the battle of Fallujah, but none of them--not one--that I have found so far depict any of the slaughterhouses.

Why?

MORE: Sometimes I'd swear that leftism/liberalism are both a mental illness and a learning disability. Read through the comments on this post and you'll run across several mentally challenged individuals positing that there aren't any photos of the slaughterhouses because the slaughterhouses don't actually exist. Where to start to refute such utter stupidity?

If you leftists can actually read, click through to several of the stories I've linked in this post or go find a few of your own. If you can read and retain facts you may note that the descriptions in the stories are consistent, and that several of the reports include enough detail to lead one to the conclusion that the reporter who wrote the story was actually in the slaughterhouse at some point. Further, just use a little logic. I know, that's asking a lot, but work with me here. We know that the terrorists are in fact killing people, because we keep finding their bodies and we keep seeing the killings in snuff films on the internet. We see in those videos that the terrorists are doing their foul work in buildings of some kind. We know that the terrorists have been using Fallujah as a stronghold--their headquarters was in that city, after all--so it would stand to reason that the terrorists are doing their killing in buildings inside Fallujah. Right? Are you liberals still with me on this or should I slow down?

Logically speaking, we have found bodies and seen videos that lead to the reasonable conclusion that the terrorists are killing people in buildings in Fallujah. Our troops have spent the past week sweeping the terrorists out of that city, so it's reasonable to expect that our troops would at some point come across those buildings where the terrorists were killing people, right? Terrorists used the buildings, we're killing the terrorists, we're bound to find their hideouts in that process. So to then posit that because there aren't any photos of those buildings on the web--when we know reporters have actually been inside those buildings--means the buildings don't exist is, well, I can't really think of a name for it. Willfull stupidity? Blind dissent? I don't know what to call it. I assume you liberals have opposing thumbs and are capable of walking upright. I assume your brains are normal human grey matter. You can type because you left comments here, so you can obviously read words on a screen and react to them. But can you process facts and actually think for yourselves? I haven't seen much evidence that many of you can, but I'm persuadable on that.

MORE: It's pretty simple, folks. To prove that I'm wrong about this all you need to do is find a picture of a Fallujah slaughterhouse. Find it, send it to me, and I'll link it. And while you're looking for that photo, stop with the conspiracy theories and other irrelevant nonsense. You're just proving that my low opinion of leftists is basically correct.

richter915
11/19/04, 10:36 AM
ya he brings up a good point...both sides of the spectrum should be shown...but this guy also puts the US Army on the same level as these terrorists in Fallujah. He feels that if the US Army's war crimes are exposed...so should the war crimes of these terrorists. I guess you'd call me a liberal...and this guy would call me mentally retarded...that's fine but you can't ignore that there's a huge difference between terrorists and the US Army. The US Army has some of the best trained men and women in the world in the most top notch training facilities...so when you see them doing things like they did in Abu Gharib...it's horrendous...when you think of terrorists you will almost always think of everything they do as horrible...you think of 9/11...you think of the beheadings that are so horrible it can't even be put on television...I don't recall those newspapers showing the man's head after it was cut off and placed on a pillow...the newspapers clearly mentioned that it was too graphic to put in...it can't be shown on TV...

we all know that terrorists have done terrible things...putting pictures of the slaughterhouses won't do much at all.

yeat182
11/19/04, 10:40 AM
ya he brings up a good point...both sides of the spectrum should be shown...but this guy also puts the US Army on the same level as these terrorists in Fallujah. He feels that if the US Army's war crimes are exposed...so should the war crimes of these terrorists. I guess you'd call me a liberal...and this guy would call me mentally retarded...that's fine but you can't ignore that there's a huge difference between terrorists and the US Army. The US Army has some of the best trained men and women in the world in the most top notch training facilities...so when you see them doing things like they did in Abu Gharib...it's horrendous...when you think of terrorists you will almost always think of everything they do as horrible...you think of 9/11...you think of the beheadings that are so horrible it can't even be put on television...I don't recall those newspapers showing the man's head after it was cut off and placed on a pillow...the newspapers clearly mentioned that it was too graphic to put in...it can't be shown on TV...

we all know that terrorists have done terrible things...putting pictures of the slaughterhouses won't do much at all.

no, he's not saying that the army is on the same level as the terrorists, he's pointing out that the media portrays them this way by showing all the abuse photo's but not showing the hostage slaughter photo's. he's saying that the world is quick to jump all over the american military when someone fucks up, which i suppose is warranted to some extent, but they fail to show the other side of the coin, that there are horrendous things that are going on which is why we are there in the first place.

as for what he was saying about liberals, i wasn't posting this based on those statements, i just thought it was an interesting point he brought up. i tried to preface that at the begining.

richter915
11/19/04, 10:50 AM
no, he's not saying that the army is on the same level as the terrorists, he's pointing out that the media portrays them this way by showing all the abuse photo's but not showing the hostage slaughter photo's. he's saying that the world is quick to jump all over the american military when someone fucks up, which i suppose is warranted to some extent, but they fail to show the other side of the coin, that there are horrendous things that are going on which is why we are there in the first place.

as for what he was saying about liberals, i wasn't posting this based on those statements, i just thought it was an interesting point he brought up. i tried to preface that at the begining.
ya his comment on liberals...I could care less about that...I know some smart smart people who're not your typical suit and tie kinda professors and they're liberals so this guy himself doesn't pay attention to the spectrum (his comments on liberals are concluded from posts on a message board...gimme a break)

I dunno, I see what you're saying how the media puts this spin on the American soldiers but I don't see it that way...I feel that they're pointing out that when we set out on this "noble" cause to try and liberate the Iraqi people...our soldiers did things just as bad as the terrorists. I don't see the point in showing videos or pictures of these slaughterhouses...the anger and resentment is already there...and people expect this sort of behavior from the terrorists (we saw how disgusting they were with 9/11)...but when the US Army does things like this...I think it should definitely be pointed out as a reminder if anything. That's just my own personal opinion.

turtlefootrx
11/19/04, 01:22 PM
I dunno, I see what you're saying how the media puts this spin on the American soldiers but I don't see it that way...I feel that they're pointing out that when we set out on this "noble" cause to try and liberate the Iraqi people...our soldiers did things just as bad as the terrorists. I don't see the point in showing videos or pictures of these slaughterhouses...the anger and resentment is already there...and people expect this sort of behavior from the terrorists (we saw how disgusting they were with 9/11)...but when the US Army does things like this...I think it should definitely be pointed out as a reminder if anything. That's just my own personal opinion.

i must agree. theres nothing worth seeing in these slaughterhouses that is going to really change the way we look at the war. abu ghraib was a different story because this is our military, who represents our country and beliefs. and they completely emarrassed us, and the 'cause'.

_astheruinfalls
11/19/04, 01:39 PM
Richter brings up a very good point.

Are you supposed to expect anything more from the terrorists?

turtlefootrx
11/19/04, 01:44 PM
i think killing is about as far as it can go.

_astheruinfalls
11/19/04, 01:50 PM
And that's still all they are doing.

So I mean, it isn't anything new.

turtlefootrx
11/19/04, 01:54 PM
right you are sir

_astheruinfalls
11/19/04, 01:56 PM
I know.

I'm always right.

Everyone needs to s my d.

turtlefootrx
11/19/04, 02:12 PM
hahahahahaha

s my d. thats classic.

_astheruinfalls
11/19/04, 02:18 PM
I love shit like that.

It's what I do.

catherinexhimel
03/22/10, 06:11 AM
Me and my youth group at the Catholic church listen to Fallujah during prayer meetings. <3

caveBEAR
03/22/10, 07:09 AM
Uh, the military is held to a higher standard than terrorists much the same as the police are held to a higher standard than gang members.

Terrorists are slaughtering innocents?! Omigod?! For real!? You'd almost think that's why we're over there in the first place... :rolleyes:

EasySkankin
03/24/10, 09:25 PM
we're over there in the first place... You'd almost think that's why Terrorists are slaughtering innocents?! Omigod?! :rolleyes:
fixed

caveBEAR
03/24/10, 09:34 PM
fixed

Both are true.

EasySkankin
03/25/10, 08:17 PM
Im not defending those we are fighting, but there are plenty of places in the world where innocents are slaughtered. To this day there is yet to be an answer to why we are in Iraq, and our presence in Afghanistan attracted more enemies to the area over time. I challenge anybody to provide a reasonable and justifiable cause for our presence in the middle east.

x togepi x
03/25/10, 08:25 PM
thread starter is an idiot and probably doesn't know any leftists at all.

caveBEAR
03/26/10, 07:31 AM
Im not defending those we are fighting, but there are plenty of places in the world where innocents are slaughtered. To this day there is yet to be an answer to why we are in Iraq, and our presence in Afghanistan attracted more enemies to the area over time. I challenge anybody to provide a reasonable and justifiable cause for our presence in the middle east.

Years of strife and government interference has bred a haven for terrorism, extremism, religious fanaticism, and every other -ism under the sun in the Middle East. The military presence is justified in trying to 'tame' and stabilize the region, which is indeed very reasonable and justifiable. Whether it's realistic is another question entirely.