Aliens

[1234567890]

I've been bored lately and have been looking stuff up on aliens.

What are your personal beliefs?

I believe there's some sort of life out there.

[sleepygrlgreen]

Ooo one of my few passions. A summer or two ago, I became really fascinated with the whole Area 51 thing. I'd spend hours on end researching everything and all that I could on the subject. Anyway, I have concluded that extraterrestrials DO exist. It's impossible for human beings to be the only living creatures in the universe... and I mean think about it... there is soo much more out there than we're even close to discovering or finding out about.

[when 4ever ends]

i do belive they exist.. www.abovetopsecret.com

one of the best sites out there

[sleepygrlgreen]

i do belive they exist.. www.abovetopsecret.com

one of the best sites out there


sweet

[venus/bacchus]

Ooo one of my few passions. A summer or two ago, I became really fascinated with the whole Area 51 thing. I'd spend hours on end researching everything and all that I could on the subject. Anyway, I have concluded that extraterrestrials DO exist. It's impossible for human beings to be the only living creatures in the universe... and I mean think about it... there is soo much more out there than we're even close to discovering or finding out about.
It's far more complicated than just factoring in the size of the universe. You have to realize that not all planets are habitable, and even if they are, conditions need to be perfect for life to begin. And to look at the whole scope of life on earth, there has only been "intelligent" life for a very, very minute amount of time that the earth has existed. Factor that in with the age of the universe, and the odds of two different life forms living at the exact same time becomes even more remote.

[1234567890]

http://www.abduct.com/question/q38.htm

From a scientific perspective, there was a cosmic evolution about 5 billion years ago. During this second stage, new suns were born which contained all 92 natural elements. (Remember those charts of the elements that teachers hung on the walls in science class? Well, those were the 92 elements which created the planets.) The suns began to form planets from these elements. Our own Milky Way galaxy contains over 100 billion stars just like our own sun. So, even if we conservatively estimate that only one out of every 100,000 suns developed its own planetary system like our sun and Earth, that would mean there are one million solar systems just like our own in the Milky Way galaxy.1

Now, multiply our own Milky Way galaxy by the "billions and billions" of galaxies that Carl Sagan talked about, and suddenly, you discover the numbers are overwhelming in favor of there being life in space. So, mathematically-speaking, there is NO chance of there NOT being life in space. It's out there, it's real, and yes, they found us first.

[sleepygrlgreen]

It's far more complicated than just factoring in the size of the universe. You have to realize that not all planets are habitable, and even if they are, conditions need to be perfect for life to begin. And to look at the whole scope of life on earth, there has only been "intelligent" life for a very, very minute amount of time that the earth has existed. Factor that in with the age of the universe, and the odds of two different life forms living at the exact same time becomes even more remote.


i do agree with you about life needing to be perfect for life to begin, but define perfect. for example, we need oxygen among many other things. certain bacteria can live without oxygen. it actually kills them. granted that not all atmospheres are habitable...but i can't not believe that we are the only life forms existing at this moment. i do understand what you're saying and you have a good point, but well...i'm just really stubborn. that isn't always a good thing i must say. but back to the topic... if not our universe, i'm sure there must be life in another.

[venus/bacchus]

i do agree with you about life needing to be perfect for life to begin, but define perfect. for example, we need oxygen among many other things. certain bacteria can live without oxygen. it actually kills them. granted that not all atmospheres are habitable...but i can't not believe that we are the only life forms existing at this moment. i do understand what you're saying and you have a good point, but well...i'm just really stubborn. that isn't always a good thing i must say. but back to the topic... if not our universe, i'm sure there must be life in another.
I didn't mean the conditions had to be perfect for life to exist, but rather for it to begin. I don't blame you for believing in another form of life (I actually do too), I was just saying that it's not as simple as "the universe is big, life must exist." Really, I was just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Bishop]

I don't see why not.

[shrguy]

I don't see why not.
yeah, i agree with you.


i just don't see other 'alien' type creatures being too close to our universe.

[aolsux]

I've never had any close encounters, but I do believe fully in aliens. There are an infinite amount of planets in the universe and not to mention other universes, and it seems likely that at least one of them could support life.

[sleepygrlgreen]

I didn't mean the conditions had to be perfect for life to exist, but rather for it to begin. I don't blame you for believing in another form of life (I actually do too), I was just saying that it's not as simple as "the universe is big, life must exist." Really, I was just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Heh. That's fine. I know that there is a lot more to it than that. I'm just too lazy to look into it more than I have.

[when 4ever ends]

google drakes equation, its an equaton when you put the number of stars in and a bunch of stuff and you get how many planets can support intelegent life. This isnt an accurate equation but scientists say that even when you put the number of stars that we know exist there is still a huge amount of planets that can support life

[selftitled85]

what bout the fact that maybe there are beings out there on other stars or galaxy that dont need water or other things to live. maybe conditions to support life here are dif for other places. we are thinking so close minded that its mindboggling. we think if there are life forms out there that they could be vaguely similar to us. i think if there is life out there they are going to be a lot dif then us.

[sleepygrlgreen]

Ya I always thought that too. If they are a different race than us why do they need oxygen to function? Maybe their bodies differ from ours and can function on just helium or something of that nature.


maybe? they would have to. as far as we know, no other planet has our conditions. the life forms on other planets would differ greatly from our own.

[dayafterdayroks]

i dont think there are any aliens but that just my opinion

[when 4ever ends]

i dont think there are any aliens but that just my opinion

so you think were the only type of life in this whole universe

[aminorthreat55]

Ya I always thought that too. If they are a different race than us why do they need oxygen to function? Maybe their bodies differ from ours and can function on just helium or something of that nature.
Yeah I agree.

[YourLatestVicti]

I think that other life forms have existed and do exist but the question is how many of them are close enough an encounter to be a possibilty?

[when 4ever ends]

I think that other life forms have existed and do exist but the question is how many of them are close enough an encounter to be a possibilty?

actually there might be life on one of saturns moons eourpa, sorry cant spell it.

eourpa is a moon that is covered in ice and scientists think that there is water under the ice. the only reason the water isnt frozen is because the gravity from saturn is pulling eourpa in all different directions which can keep the water from not freezing. earth was actually covered in ice just like this moon before mankind

also rememer if we find a fish or a non- inteligent life form there its still considered "alien" because it didnt come from this planet

[richter915]

actually there might be life on one of saturns moons eourpa, sorry cant spell it.

eourpa is a moon that is covered in ice and scientists think that there is water under the ice. the only reason the water isnt frozen is because the gravity from saturn is pulling eourpa in all different directions which can keep the water from not freezing. earth was actually covered in ice just like this moon before mankind

also rememer if we find a fish or a non- inteligent life form there its still considered "alien" because it didnt come from this planet
it's jupiter...Europa revolves around Jupiter. I did a whole research thing on it so I'd know. Heh. But ya they say that of all the places in our solar system, the only planet somewhat habitable is Europa. What's cool about Europa is like...it's like a giant glacier planet. We know that there's water underneath all the ice and it might be warm enough to support small paramecia and stuff.

micro-organisms are still considered alien so if life does exist on a nearby planet...our ET will probably not be visible to the naked eye.

[when 4ever ends]

theres all these known facts about the plants in our solar system but ive never heard anyting about uranus. i know pluto hasnt been researched that much becase its the furthest planet and it would take a while to get to.. i guess ill look up uranus on google or something thers probally a lot of info on it and im just blind

[_astheruinfalls]

Hahahahahahahhaah.

Sorry, the Uranus thing made me laugh.

Anyways.

I thought there were two plants in our solar system that could support life?

[when 4ever ends]

i think Nasa should let go of this whole mars thing and move onto a different planet

[osunfg]

another reason earth lucked out is because of our giant moon. without it we would have an axis like mars which wobbles very drastically, causing constant climate changes.
another awesome moon that we will be exploring very soon is saturns moon 'titon'. it has a very think, dense atmosphere covering the surface. and from the spectra emitted, it is comprised of mainly methane, in its liquid form found in massive methane lakes. it will definetly be awesome to study a moon with such an established atmosphere.
look for us putting a craft inside its atmosphere this january.

[when 4ever ends]

another reason earth lucked out is because of our giant moon. without it we would have an axis like mars which wobbles very drastically, causing constant climate changes.
another awesome moon that we will be exploring very soon is saturns moon 'titon'. it has a very think, dense atmosphere covering the surface. and from the spectra emitted, it is comprised of mainly methane, in its liquid form found in massive methane lakes. it will definetly be awesome to study a moon with such an established atmosphere.
look for us putting a craft inside its atmosphere this january.

isnt that what we are exploring right now with a sattilite or something thats taking all the pictures

[sleepygrlgreen]

it's jupiter...Europa revolves around Jupiter. I did a whole research thing on it so I'd know. Heh. But ya they say that of all the places in our solar system, the only planet somewhat habitable is Europa. What's cool about Europa is like...it's like a giant glacier planet. We know that there's water underneath all the ice and it might be warm enough to support small paramecia and stuff.

micro-organisms are still considered alien so if life does exist on a nearby planet...our ET will probably not be visible to the naked eye.


i too knew this. you have met your match mr. richter!

[osunfg]

isnt that what we are exploring right now with a sattilite or something thats taking all the pictures

yea, the cassini space craft is orbitting saturn taking in depth pics of itself, the rings, and the moons. at sometime around mid. jan i believe it is gonna deploy a probe called 'huygens' which will descend into titons atmosphere and take a million tests of everything.

[LoyalSubject]

another reason earth lucked out is because of our giant moon. without it we would have an axis like mars which wobbles very drastically, causing constant climate changes.
another awesome moon that we will be exploring very soon is saturns moon 'titon'. it has a very think, dense atmosphere covering the surface. and from the spectra emitted, it is comprised of mainly methane, in its liquid form found in massive methane lakes. it will definetly be awesome to study a moon with such an established atmosphere.
look for us putting a craft inside its atmosphere this january.
Do you know how cool it would be if they sent a lander up there with a giant blowtorch to set that thing on fire?

[sleepygrlgreen]

Thought I'd re-surface this thread (compliments of Mr. Richter). There have been a bunch of shows and documentaries on UFOs and aliens and whatnot on Sci-Fi and the History Channel lately. Might have something to do with War of the Worlds, but anyway, like the person who began this thread asked, how do you guys feel about aliens? I've said it before and I'll say it a million more times, I'm a FIRM believer that life exists elsewhere besides earth.

[WasteMyTime]

oh uhm just wanted to add onto what Sleepygrlgreen said...just like...we can discuss more than just Aliens in here...lots of things like conspiracy theories (area 51 was covered before, talk about it some more here if you want)...also just other anomoloies and oddities out there...discuss it.

[sleepygrlgreen]

Groom Lake is something big or what I mentioned in the last thread about the mortician and the nurse. That's a pretty big conspiracy out there.

[when 4ever ends]

Groom Lake is something big or what I mentioned in the last thread about the mortician and the nurse. That's a pretty big conspiracy out there.
leakmob has its own thread for this called the L files

[sleepygrlgreen]

leakmob has its own thread for this called the L files
Awesome.

[WasteMyTime]

leakmob has its own thread for this called the L files
eh, only six threads in there anyway...doing it here at AP will get more views...it's just the truth.

[sleepygrlgreen]

eh, only six threads in there anyway...doing it here at AP will get more views...it's just the truth.
hah. that just reminded me of what i wrote in my senior blurb thing for the year book. "remember...the truth is out there". ah, but ya, i agreee with you.

[Rebs]

Absolutely. With the magnitude of the universe there is no way there isn't any other life out there.

[xXdEADsILENCExX]

I think that there is another planet out there just like earth, and there are people (aliens) inhabiting that planet asking the same questions as we are now: are we truly alone? But there is no proof supporting my idea, but I just can't believe that we are the only intelligent life forms existing. Some of us give our race way too much credit there, and we being the only ones to me is impossible. My idea may be way off, but I know there has to be others out there.

[WasteMyTime]

Absolutely. With the magnitude of the universe there is no way there isn't any other life out there.
Sleepygrlgreen actually knows the probability of there being life on other planets, when she's on I'll ask her to repost it...it's amazing cause the calculation was made assuming the worst...you'll see what I mean soon.

[sleepygrlgreen]

Sleepygrlgreen actually knows the probability of there being life on other planets, when she's on I'll ask her to repost it...it's amazing cause the calculation was made assuming the worst...you'll see what I mean soon.
YOU ARE CORRECT. Now, I'll post it as soon as I dig it out of my many papers and books and such.

I LOVE THIS SHIT!

[WasteMyTime]

YOU ARE CORRECT. Now, I'll post it as soon as I dig it out of my many papers and books and such.

I LOVE THIS SHIT!
you posted it before, just find it..hah.

[sleepygrlgreen]

it's a big read. i apologize, but here are a few calculations and estimates. enjoy!

"astronomer harlow shapley estimates that there are some 10^20 stars within the range of our telescopes. when shapley associates a planetary system with only one in a thousand stars, we may assume that it is a very cautious estimate. if we continue to speculate on the basis of this estimate and suspect the necessary conditions for life on only one star in a thousand, this calculation still gives a figure of 10^14. shapley asks: how many stars in this truly "astronomical" figure have an atmosphere suitable for life? one in a thousand? that would still leave the incredible figure of 10^11 stars with the prerequisites for life. even if we assume that only every thousandth planet out of this figure has produced life, there are still 100,000,000 planets on which we can speculate that life exists. this calculation is based on telescopes using the technology available today, but we must not forget that these are constantly being improved.
if we follow the hypothesis of biochemist dr. stanley miller, life and the conditions essential for life may have developed more quickly one some of these planets than on earth. if we accept this daring assumption, civilizations more advanced than our own could have developed on 100,000 planets.
the late willy ley, well known scientific writer, stated that the estimated number of stars in our milky way alone amounts to 30 billion. the assumption that our milky way contains at least 16 billion planetary systems is considered admissible by present-day astronomers. if we try to reduce the figures in question as much as possible and assume that the distances between planetary systems are so regulated that only in one case in a hundred does a planet orbit in the ecosphere of its own sun, that still leaves 180 million planets capable of supporting life. if we further assume that only one planet in a hundred that might support life actually does so, we should still have the figure of 1.8 million planets with life. let us further suppose that out of every hundred planets with life there is one on which creatueres with the same level of intellegence as homo sapiens live. then even this last supposition gives our milky way the vast number of 18,000 inhabited planets. since the latest counts give 100 billion fixed stars in our milky way, probaility indicates an imcomparibly higher figure that dr. ley puts forward in his cautious calculation.
without quoting fantastic figures or taking unknown galaxies into account, we may surmise that there are 18,000 planets comparitively close to the earth with conditions essential to life similar to those of our own planet. yet we can go even further to speculate that if only 1 percent of these 18,000 planets were actually inhabited, there would still be 180 left! there is no doubt about the existance of planets similiar to the earth- with a similar mixture of atmospheric gases, similar gravity, similar flora, and possibly even similar fauna. but is it even essential for the planets that support life to have conditions similar to the earth's? the idea that life can flourish only under terrestrial conditions has been made obsolete by research. it is a mistake to believe that life cannot exist without water and oxygen. they are called anaerobic bacteria. a given amount of oxygen acts like a poison on them. why should there not be higher forms of life that do not need oxygen?"

[WasteMyTime]

that's a lot you've got there...do you think you could just highlight some of the main calculations and conclusions for us? thanks.

[sleepygrlgreen]

that's a lot you've got there...do you think you could just highlight some of the main calculations and conclusions for us? thanks.
surely, richter.

I really don't think that my highlighting helped. I kept trying to pick out important pieces, but one fact wouldn't sound right without the previous or following sentence. Either that's the case, or I just suck at highlighting important information which may be the case when you look at the chapter outlines/notes I had to do for school.

[Lozin_It]

I do believe that there are aliens. I don't think that we could possibly be the only life form in the universe. I mean come on. There are other galaxy's out there as well. There could be other beings out there doing the same things we are doing?

[followtheformat]

I believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere, but as far as this whole UFO shit I don't know, I doubt they would be just flying around for about 60 years in the sky and never once make contact with us. And I also think the government has some sort of top secret shit going on at Area 51, whether extraterrestrial or not, but why deny that the place exists when everyone can see it? Weird shit

[WasteMyTime]

surely, richter.

I really don't think that my highlighting helped. I kept trying to pick out important pieces, but one fact wouldn't sound right without the previous or following sentence. Either that's the case, or I just suck at highlighting important information which may be the case when you look at the chapter outlines/notes I had to do for school.
that's a lot you got there...I'd like to hear your opinion on it. I think that those numbers are pretty high considering a lot of assumptions were made...it was very...against the benefit of the doubt...and even with that the numbers were so high. I personally found the good point about how life doesn't necessarily need to be aerobic to live and it cites anaerobic bacteria..great stuff.

Also, recently we've found a planet revolving around a nearby star (15 light years away...or 15 million I forget)...but it's fairly close and the planet was very "Earth-like" because it had a rocky surface, had an atomsphere, and was close in size to our planet (about double the diameter)...the only difference was that the surface temperature was much hotter than the temperature on earth.

[sleepygrlgreen]

My opinion? It makes complete sense to me. The numbers ARE pretty high, but what else would there be? I thought that the aerobic/anaerobic thing was a really good point as well. Why would earth's conditions be the only kind able to support life? That's garbage in my opinion. Just like we have adapted through evolution, other organisms on other planets would too.

Like this is sort of not on topic exactly, but there is a type of alien called the grey, that are the ones who apparently crashed in Roswell. They'r well..grey... they have these large oval shaped eyes, they have webbed hands, a slit for a mouth, thin body, and their noses and ears are indented. They're I guess what a person would consider a typical alien. Anyway, all of these features have evolved to adapt to the conditions of their planet. But I think that it might be similar to our own, I mean as far as gravity goes..it's got to be similar, they vary from like 3 to 6 feet (Sorta like us). They're thinner though. They're from like maybe 60 to 90 pounds if I remember correctly. God, I'm really rambling now.

My point with all this is that, like I said before, and like RIchter said, it's very possible for other organisms to live on distant planets even with the different environmental factors.

[PomonaForEmpusa]

i've seen aliens.. on numerous occasions.

[sleepygrlgreen]

i've seen aliens.. on numerous occasions.
Do tell.

[sleepygrlgreen]

Still waiting...

[WasteMyTime]

Still waiting...
psst...I think he's just bullshitting with us...

soooo any new news in the paranormal world?

[sleepygrlgreen]

psst...I think he's just bullshitting with us...

soooo any new news in the paranormal world?
I'm looking into it. I'll post as soon as I find something interesting...which shouldn't be too hard =)

[afk999]

psst...I think he's just bullshitting with us...

soooo any new news in the paranormal world?
i havent heard any interesting news

[Alex Djaferis]

psst...I think he's just bullshitting with us...

soooo any new news in the paranormal world?

if you want news of the paranormal from my personal life, hit me up on aim. strange strange things....

[WasteMyTime]

if you want news of the paranormal from my personal life, hit me up on aim. strange strange things....
unless it involves anal probes...not interested

[Alex Djaferis]

unless it involves anal probes...not interested

lol :D

[Skyline]

I totally believe.

[sleepygrlgreen]

Mind Invasions!!!

This is a year or so old, but really interesting and actually pretty freaky. They're coming up with this mind control mechanism called "Frequency Fence" that basically numbs the senses so that if something wrong is going on around you, you're unaware of it. I'm gonna take this right out of the article.

"This Frequency Fence is a bio-neurological, electromagnetic induced form of mind control which will block your higher sensory abilities. A literal "perceptual harness" or "mental prison" will be built around you without you even knowing it is happening, and the scariest part is, your five senses will not alert to you that anything is wrong."

There is no technological defense against this and there's absolutely nothing anyone can do. All senses will be blocked so there's no way of even knowing that it's happening.

I know my description is kinda crappy (as they all are), but if anyone is interested...check out the full article.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/globalmindcontrol.html