Who would you say are the most respected songwriters in the ap.net scene?

[End of Disc One]

I'm new here so I'm just trying to get a feel of what artists are respected, which ones are considered crap, etc. My hype for The Glass Passenger drove me to this site in the first place, and I'm happy to see that Andrew McMahon is pretty respected here. I've also seen a lot of love for Max Bemis, and people seem to hate bands like Fallout Boy.

Basically I'm just curious about the consensus of respected musicians, so I can look into their music and sound intelligent in future conversations. Thanks in advance.

[funkel]

Andrew McMahon is a definite.
Aaron Marsh seems to get a lot of praise.

[absolutecrunk]

Jesse Lacey
Sam whatever with the beard
Jeff Mangum

[IWasaCamera]

In the music forum, Sam Beam and Bob Dylan.

[absolutecrunk]

yeah Beam

[End of Disc One]

Jesse Lacey
Sam whatever with the beard
Jeff Mangum

Sam Means from The Format has a beard, and I think Dog Problems deserves him and Nate Reuss a ton of respect. Not sure if that's who you're talking about though.

[AP_Punk]

John K. Samson
Chris Hannah
Todd Kawolski

[End of Disc One]

Ah ignore my last post then. You guys post fast.

[absolutecrunk]

Him too.

If their name is Sam, they're probably pretty respected. Even Sam Duckworth and his horrible idea of a band name.

[Yes. And?]

Me.

[absolutecrunk]

Me.
My original answer.

Kids better recognize my songwriting skills.

[thesafeword]

Sam Beam
Tom Waits
Sufjan Stevens
Jesse Lacey

Not saying that Lacey is as good as them, but he's just respected.

[IWasaCamera]

Probably Thom Yorke as well.

[thesafeword]

Nick Drake

[chipdip18]

Nick Torres too, people really like Northstar and Cassino, he's pretty well respected.

[absolutecrunk]

Oh and apparently The Beatles are far and away the most favorite band in this forum despite no one ever talking about them.

[StreetSurgery]

Just say you like Mayday Parade, and you're in.

[IWasaCamera]

Oh and apparently The Beatles are far and away the most favorite band in this forum despite no one ever talking about them.
A few of us do. :shrug:

[Yes. And?]

Oh and apparently The Beatles are far and away the most favorite band in this forum despite no one ever talking about them.
lol

[chipdip18]

And Joey Cape is the man.

[versus_god]

And Joey Cape is the man.
Joey Cape is totally the man.

[chipdip18]

Joey Cape is totally the man.

Joey Cape es el hombre. Totalmente.

[StreetSurgery]

Joey Cape es el hombre. Totalmente.
Si?

[chipdip18]

Si?

Si.

[versus_god]

Ay dios mio.

http://a887.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_bbfeafd35be9ba2dc27f27da4955288e. jpg

[thesafeword]

Taco taco, taco burrito.

[StreetSurgery]

Taco taco, taco burrito.
Taco flavored kisses?

[thesafeword]

Si, si.

[funkel]

Oh and apparently The Beatles are far and away the most favorite band in this forum despite no one ever talking about them.
At least 3 of the regulars mention them on a semi-consistent basis (myself included).

[cymche]

Ronnie Radke?

[cymche]

Ronnie Radke?

[IWasaCamera]

Who the hell is Ronnie Radke?

[Getup and Dance]

Ol Dirty Bastard

[funkel]

Who the hell is Ronnie Radke?
Dude from Escape the Fate whose now in jail.
Lawlz.

[IWasaCamera]

Dude from Escape the Fate whose now in jail.
Lawlz.
Actually glad I didn't know that.

[allhourcymbals]

I don't really know what's considered the "AP Scene" and will just say: Tim Finn.

[Ouch]

James Hetfield

oooh and

Herman Li

[BSS182]

Sadly but these guys get mentioned a lot:
Max Bemis
Pete and Patrick
Brand New Dude
Anthony Green

And I like that Joey Cape gets mentioned quite a bit!

[freefall123]

^^ haha brand new dude.

[chipdip18]

I don't really know what's considered the "AP Scene" and will just say: Tim Finn.

You say Tim Finn? You are so scene.

[thesafeword]

Max Bemis is also a correct answer.

[summer skin]

music forum = Folk queers
General = Aaron Gillespie

[thesafeword]

summer_skin = Cedric Bixler-Zavala

[summer skin]

summer_skin = Cedric Bixler-Zavala
+ Don Johnson
ULI5kolBpAk

[swt_catastrophe]

definitely craig owens, hands down.
i think everyone respects the decisions he chooses to make not only personally, but musically as well.

[allhourcymbals]

I can't tell if that was a joke or not...

[summer skin]

definitely craig owens, hands down.
i think everyone respects the decisions he chooses to make not only personally, but musically as well.
haw haw

[swt_catastrophe]

I can't tell if that was a joke or not...
sarcasm at it's finest.

[summer skin]

sarcasm at it's finest.
haw haw

[allhourcymbals]

sarcasm at it's finest.
I've seen people say pretty much the same thing and be completely serious, and either way, it's funny.

[Chromefox]

I came in here expecting to see Andrew McMahon in the first response.

[fadedmemories]

Jesse Lacey
Max Bemis
Kenny Vasoli

definitely craig owens, hands down.
i think everyone respects the decisions he chooses to make not only personally, but musically as well.

:-d

[adam289]

Jesse Lacey, Max Bemis, Andrew McMahon, Chris Conley

[HangsLikeHeaven]

3 wrong answers.

[murrich]

Sam Beam
Max Bernis (even though there are much better lyricists)
Jesse Lacey (even though there are much better lyricists)
Bob Dylan

[Yes. And?]

definitely craig owens, hands down.
i think everyone respects the decisions he chooses to make not only personally, but musically as well.
:-d

[SamEyes]

Sam Beam
Max Bernis (even though there are much better lyricists)
Jesse Lacey (even though there are much better lyricists)
Bob Dylan

Do you actually think his name is Max Bernis or was that a typo? Haha.

Haven't seen Ben Gibbard's name, thought that might be one but I'm quite a newbie to this forum.

John Nolan? Conor Oberst?

[Amped]

To me definitely Jesse Lacey and Anthony Green

[drewziph]

i hear sam beam a lot. must listen to more.

[summer skin]

Corey Taylor

[funkel]

I just looked at the OP's username and thought it was a good one. But then I realized it said disc.
It's all about sides!
What a hack.

[murrich]

Do you actually think his name is Max Bernis or was that a typo? Haha.

Haven't seen Ben Gibbard's name, thought that might be one but I'm quite a newbie to this forum.

John Nolan? Conor Oberst?


That's what I always thought it was, I don't really pay much attention to the band.

[sugarcoatedlies]

Bemis.

and that guy from thrice?

[Indoor Living]

Definately Andrew McMahon. I've never seen a single artist so hyped on this website besides him.

[Paulb-182]

Definately Andrew McMahon. I've never seen a single artist so hyped on this website besides him.

Jesse?

[Indoor Living]

Jesse?


I haven't been a member on here around the time of a Brand New CD release. So I can't say him. He is a gifted writer though. Nothing against him.

[OdeToTheSun]

that guy from thrice?
Dustin Kensrue and yeah, I would say he's respected on here. If not for Thrice, then for his solo work.

[fadedmemories]

Definately Andrew McMahon. I've never seen a single artist so hyped on this website besides him.
Agreed

[lenard27]

Dustin Kensrue and yeah, I would say he's respected on here. If not for Thrice, then for his solo work.
Thrice is pretty well respected around here.
Nick Torres was mentioned and he is very well respected, although he doesn't get brought up a lot.

[alltimecam]

Definately Andrew McMahon. I've never seen a single artist so hyped on this website besides him.
haha hes almost the only one in that pop music genre that is making good music right now, he gets all the praise because nobody else deserves it probabaly.

[funkel]

I haven't been a member on here around the time of a Brand New CD release. So I can't say him. He is a gifted writer though. Nothing against him.
When Brand New releases an album, half of ap.net shuts down due to overloaded fanboyness.

[Indoor Living]

When Brand New releases an album, half of ap.net shuts down due to overloaded fanboyness.


haha! it's that big, huh?

[Indoor Living]

haha hes almost the only one in that pop music genre that is making good music right now, he gets all the praise because nobody else deserves it probabaly.


tell me about it. have you heard glass passenger yet?

[alltimecam]

tell me about it. have you heard glass passenger yet?
yeah its fucking great, i do feel kind of bad about getting the torrent but i did buy the vinyl and the cd, but yeah it is so awesome i think his voice sounds really great

[fadedmemories]

When Brand New releases an album, half of ap.net shuts down due to overloaded fanboyness.
Truth

[Indoor Living]

yeah its fucking great, i do feel kind of bad about getting the torrent but i did buy the vinyl and the cd, but yeah it is so awesome i think his voice sounds really great

yeah, he sounds really amazing. swim and caves are two of the best songs i think he has put out in his life. they're ridiculously good.

[summer skin]

Ill Mitch
_sFWQsD3VxQ
Fuck you if you say otherwise.

[sugarcoatedlies]

Dustin Kensrue and yeah, I would say he's respected on here. If not for Thrice, then for his solo work.


That's the guy!
I always forget his name

[theguy77]

Jesse Lacey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew McMahon

bite me, hardcore indie fans who always bash brand new but somehow find the incredibly mediocre jack's mannequin to be a luminary pop-rock act.

[SanePsychotic]

Jesse Lacey and Andrew McMahon are both decent songwriters, they just write different styles of music. Therefore it's kind of hard to compare them.

[theguy77]

Jesse Lacey and Andrew McMahon are both decent songwriters, they just write different styles of music. Therefore it's kind of hard to compare them.

not really. jesse is a farrrr more eloquent lyricist. jesse has a distinctive voice which is very technically sound in the mid-low ranges too, whereas andrew mcmahon is a carbon copy of the ever-exaggerated socal accent in california punk-tinged pop-rock. as for the songwriting, well, jesse has had maybe 3 or 4 songs i consider bad whereas andrew mcmahon more often than not writes in mediocrity in my opinion.

[SanePsychotic]

not really. jesse is a farrrr more eloquent lyricist. jesse has a distinctive voice which is very technically sound in the mid-low ranges too, whereas andrew mcmahon is a carbon copy of the ever-exaggerated socal accent in california punk-tinged pop-rock. as for the songwriting, well, jesse has had maybe 3 or 4 songs i consider bad whereas andrew mcmahon more often than not writes in mediocrity in my opinion.

What I'm saying is that they write different kinds of songs, not that one is better than the other. If you really want to just keep it simple and say that this is better than that and ignore that they're two different types of songwriters then alright. To me it's like comparing two different styled guitarists; neither one is better, just different.

[versus_god]

I don't understand this Andrew McMahon business, man. I don't know. I just don't know, man.

[theguy77]

What I'm saying is that they write different kinds of songs, not that one is better than the other. If you really want to just keep it simple and say that this is better than that and ignore that they're two different types of songwriters then alright. To me it's like comparing two different styled guitarists; neither one is better, just different.

are the kinds of songs really that different though? its not like im comparing sufjan stevens to at the drive-in haha, i think you could compare deja entendu and leaving through the window. and see that deja entendu is a farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrr better scene album.

[chipdip18]

are the kinds of songs really that different though? its not like im comparing sufjan stevens to at the drive-in haha, i think you could compare deja entendu and leaving through the window. and see that deja entendu is a farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrr better scene album.


Have you started the experiment yet? And i can't find Sufjan Stevens anywhere.

[SanePsychotic]

Everything In Transit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deja

by sooo far.


For me it's not by "soo far" but I stand by the general statement. I'd rather listen to all of Everything In Transit than only some of Deja Entendu.

[DilesMavis]

Ill Mitch
_sFWQsD3VxQ
Fuck you if you say otherwise.

Hahahah. :-d

[funkel]

are the kinds of songs really that different though? its not like im comparing sufjan stevens to at the drive-in haha, i think you could compare deja entendu and leaving through the window. and see that deja entendu is a farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrr better scene album.
I'd respectfully disagree.

[theguy77]

Everything In Transit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deja

by sooo far.

of course you would think that all the anti-scene people on here somehow think that EIT is somehow different and better. and i seriously, seriously dont hear it. its still a poppy scene album and a lot less well-written than others, both lyrically and musically, pop music cliches are overbearing throughout and the focus on melody is to prominent for my liking.

[theguy77]

Nope it's a good album with excellent songs and if only he could sing them better it would be a great album.

I piss on Deja.

EIT is too boring for my piss

[funkel]

EIT is too boring for my piss
EITS is too piss for boring.

See what I did there?
yes explosions in the sky

[theguy77]

EITS is too piss for boring.

See what I did there?
yes explosions in the sky

post-rock elitist.

haha

[funkel]

post-rock elitist.

haha
Scene-rock oreo.

;-)

[theguy77]

Scene-rock oreo.

;-)

hey, hey, im not exclusively either hahaha. i have a lot of other races and several other types of music i enjoy. ;-)

[funkel]

hey, hey, im not exclusively either hahaha. i have a lot of other races and several other types of music i enjoy. ;-)
I stand by my detraction.

[IWasaCamera]

bite me, hardcore indie fans who always bash brand new but somehow find the incredibly mediocre jack's mannequin to be a luminary pop-rock act.
Are there that many "hardcore indie fans" who enjoy Jack's Mannequin? I certainly don't.

[phil19]

I don't understand this Andrew McMahon business, man. I don't know. I just don't know, man.

i dont understand it either.
while im a fan of something corporate im still amzed at the amount of reverance for this guy there is. theres nothing wrong with him and i like what he writes. it did come as a surprise how much people love him though. i havnt heard any jacks manequin and maybe if i did i might understand??

[EchoPark]

John K. Samson
Chris Hannah
Todd Kawolski

:goodpost:

[OdeToTheSun]

Ill Mitch
I'm Ill?

[kearn1tm]

My girl likes to/Party all the time/Party all the time/Paaa-aaartay all the tyy-yme

[kearn1tm]

Jesse Lacey
Max Bemis
Kenny Vasoli


I'm gonna' tear your ass up/like we just got married/and you're all mine now

[all the awful spoken word on Admit It!! in which he ends with a chorus that tells us how cool he is despite the fact that he's definitely not a hipster]

You satellite/You tiny boat with oars

[fadedmemories]

I'm gonna' tear your ass up/like we just got married/and you're all mine now

[all the awful spoken word on Admit It!! in which he ends with a chorus that tells us how cool he is despite the fact that he's definitely not a hipster]

You satellite/You tiny boat with oars
You again?

[SamEyes]

I'm gonna' tear your ass up/like we just got married/and you're all mine now

[all the awful spoken word on Admit It!! in which he ends with a chorus that tells us how cool he is despite the fact that he's definitely not a hipster]

You satellite/You tiny boat with oars

How does Max Bemis "tell us how cool he is" in the chorus of that song?

[kearn1tm]

You again?

I'd ask who you are, but that would be like asking how Diet Mountain Dew tastes so much like regular Mountain Dew. I don't care how (probably the abundance of cancer-inducing artificial sweeteners and phluemoximane, but, you know, whatever).

How does Max Bemis "tell us how cool he is" in the chorus of that song?

He makes sure to tell us how he's proud of his life and his accomplishments, as if he's been chastised by his imagined cabal of scenester cultural facilitators and tastemakers who, apparently, are out to do nothing more than tear him down. It's such a self-serving, whiny song. "Wah, hipsters, I'm secure in my skin...let me tell you how secure and awesome I am because that's how secure I am...that I have to tell everyone how secure I am. That's secure, right?"

Ugh. Such a pedestrian songwriter. He should write for Spin.

[JimGray]

Matt Rawlings

[fadedmemories]

I'd ask who you are, but that would be like asking how Diet Mountain Dew tastes so much like regular Mountain Dew. I don't care how (probably the abundance of cancer-inducing artificial sweeteners and phluemoximane, but, you know, whatever).


You've quoted me a lot
He makes sure to tell us how he's proud of his life and his accomplishments, as if he's been chastised by his imagined cabal of scenester cultural facilitators and tastemakers who, apparently, are out to do nothing more than tear him down. It's such a self-serving, whiny song. "Wah, hipsters, I'm secure in my skin...let me tell you how secure and awesome I am because that's how secure I am...that I have to tell everyone how secure I am. That's secure, right?"

Agreed, but that's just one song

And were talking about the most respected sowngwriters here in ap, not the best songwriter ever or best songwriter in music today

[JimGray]

I have no respect for Max Bemis.

[kearn1tm]

You've quoted me a lot

Rad.

Agreed, but that's just one song
Pity most of his lyrics are as awful.

And were talking about the most respected sowngwriters here in ap, not the best songwriter ever or best songwriter in music today
No, you're talking about the most respected songwriters on this forum. I'm posting absurd excerpts from their songs.

[chipdip18]

Nick Torres.

[checkered.stars]

I can't believe no one said Aaron Weiss or Jeff Buckley yet.

[thespearkid]

He makes sure to tell us how he's proud of his life and his accomplishments, as if he's been chastised by his imagined cabal of scenester cultural facilitators and tastemakers who, apparently, are out to do nothing more than tear him down. It's such a self-serving, whiny song. "Wah, hipsters, I'm secure in my skin...let me tell you how secure and awesome I am because that's how secure I am...that I have to tell everyone how secure I am. That's secure, right?"

Ha. Wrong.

[kearn1tm]

Ha. Wrong.

*sigh* You're 18 now. Start listening to adult music.

[Regards]

I can't believe no one said Aaron Weiss or Jeff Buckley yet.
Aaron is my favorite, but neither are mentioned much on ap.

[fadedmemories]

No, you're talking about the most respected songwriters on this forum. I'm posting absurd excerpts from their songs.
:hitself:

[thespearkid]

*sigh* You're 18 now. Start listening to adult music.
You're so cool.

[kearn1tm]

You're so cool.

Thank you.

[chipdip18]

Thank you.

I love your vocabulary.

[SanePsychotic]

I have no respect for Max Bemis.

Same here.

[kearn1tm]

I love your vocabulary.

Yeah?

[JimGray]

Same here.

Haha, I love you.

[SanePsychotic]

Haha, I love you.

Yeessss!

[theguy77]

He makes sure to tell us how he's proud of his life and his accomplishments, as if he's been chastised by his imagined cabal of scenester cultural facilitators and tastemakers who, apparently, are out to do nothing more than tear him down. It's such a self-serving, whiny song. "Wah, hipsters, I'm secure in my skin...let me tell you how secure and awesome I am because that's how secure I am...that I have to tell everyone how secure I am. That's secure, right?"

Ugh. Such a pedestrian songwriter. He should write for Spin.

i mean, the song is pretty preachy but the point of it is not to tell everyone hes secure. you know it seems like everyone "in the scene" who tries to make a statement is frenzied upon by people who are sharks for hypocrisy. i understand a lot of criticisms that max gets but all the hate for "admit it!!" is something i dont quite comprehend.

[dpetty21]

Ace Enders-How no one mentioned him is beyond me.
Chris Conley-I may be biased because I fucking love STD but I still think he's pretty respected.

[Troggy]

Sam Beam, for good reason.

[SanePsychotic]

Sam Beam, for good reason.

:thumbup:

[11:11]

Sam Beam
Andrew McMahon
Stephen Christian
Jesse Lacey
Omar Rodriguez-Lopez

[c_rob2700]

Andrew McMahon.

Glass Passenger is the reason i'm at this website.

[kearn1tm]

i mean, the song is pretty preachy but the point of it is not to tell everyone hes secure. you know it seems like everyone "in the scene" who tries to make a statement is frenzied upon by people who are sharks for hypocrisy. i understand a lot of criticisms that max gets but all the hate for "admit it!!" is something i dont quite comprehend.

Dude, he bitches about the "hipster culture" then proceeds to ensure us all of just how "proud of his life he is." It's the bullshit posturing of someone who's highly self-conscious trying to tell both himself and everyone else how secure he is in the face of such facetious people/sub-culture. It's obnoxious.

[schaft0620]

Jesse Lacey
John Noland
Dustin Kensure
Max Bemius

[wroteurname]

Sam Beam
Thom Yorke
Jeff Magnum

[wroteurname]

Also, ATTN: People selecting single song exerpts as examples of songwriting

A. Lyricism is a different thing from songwriting.

B. A few questionable lyrics does not make someone a bad songwriter, not even a bad lyricist.

[SanePsychotic]

Just like a few good lyrics doesn't make them a good songwriter or lyricist.

[JimGray]

Yeessss!

Haha, some emacking on.

Should I assume you wanna go private, then webcam this shit, or do i have to drive there?

[theguy77]

Dude, he bitches about the "hipster culture" then proceeds to ensure us all of just how "proud of his life he is." It's the bullshit posturing of someone who's highly self-conscious trying to tell both himself and everyone else how secure he is in the face of such facetious people/sub-culture. It's obnoxious.

i mean psychology wise it appears that way, he could just be cocky, but either way his bitching about the scenesters is pretty true and relatable, something that had me nodding my head and smiling when i heard it. i mean i dont feel the need to contra-analyze a songwriter when he decides to make a statement.

[ThisIsNotDan]

the op = where IDOTG should end

[summer skin]

Skrewdriver is up there for me because it's something I can really relate to.

[JimGray]

Skrewdriver is up there for me because it's something I can really relate to.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaha


Edit: I wonder how many people will get it.

[summer skin]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaha


Edit: I wonder how many people will get it.
we'll just have to wait and see...











seig heil

[kearn1tm]

i mean psychology wise it appears that way, he could just be cocky, but either way his bitching about the scenesters is pretty true and relatable,

and completely contrived. I wish someone would write the quintessential "posers are lame" song too. That'd be swell.

something that had me nodding my head and smiling when i heard it. i mean i dont feel the need to contra-analyze a songwriter when he decides to make a statement.

Okay. Again, I find it obnoxious and, in the wake of amazing essays, pop culture writings and the like, superfluous. This is merely my opinion, and one tainted by the fact that I find Bemis to be a hack.

[JimGray]

we'll just have to wait and see...











seig heil

http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=summerrw7.png

Wouldn't let me embed it but yeah.

[summer skin]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3267/summerrw7.png

[JimGray]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3267/summerrw7.png

What did I do wrong, lol.

[summer skin]

What did I do wrong, lol.
didn't copy the link and put the [img] around it?

[JimGray]

didn't copy the link and put the [img] around it?

Yep, that didn't work, and neither did attaching it to the post.

[summer skin]

Yep, that didn't work, and neither did attaching it to the post.
idunno then?

[JimGray]

idunno then?

Haha, who cares, I gimped that shit and upped it, you met me halfway, you know you've always wanted one.

[thesafeword]

the op = where IDOTG should end
Great avatar.

Wonderland is such a wonderful album.

[SanePsychotic]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3267/summerrw7.png

Very nice, very nice.

[JimGray]

Very nice, very nice.

Gotta love Gimp 2.2!

[headlightspavem]

Guy Garvey