The Rest Of The Album Is Crap

[TJ Wells]

Taking Back Sunday (http://www.takingbacksunday.com)'s song "Your Own Disaster" will appear on the upcoming soundtrack for the new Jennifer Garner movie Elektra. Also appearing on the album will be an unreleased Hawthorne Heights (http://www.hawthorneheights.com/) song titled "Angels With Even Filthier Souls". To check out the full track listing, go here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006UEVJ0/theduchovnystore/104-0680561-2012758).

[[Brendan]]

It's cool that Hawthorn Hights are on the soundtrack and looking at the track listing this soundtrack looks alot better than the Daredevil (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000084TTD/002-5190732-7584819?v=glance) one. As for the film I hope it ends up being good, though I think just by not having Ben Affleck appearing in it is going to make it a better film than Daredevil.

[urowndisaster52]

the old version or the new version?

[SingleDoubt]

the old version or the new version?
why the hell would they use the old one? this song doesnt seem to fit with the movie.

[johnarc]

why?

[noles05]

i like the old one best.

[dayafterdayroks]

thats coo hawthorne heights is off the chain..... :lol2:

[yanggoh]

man...i hope to god that these movie producer people actually LISTEN to both versions and go with the old one...the new one is terrible, and adam's voice is completely emotionless in it.

[punklet2101]

I want angel wings.

[Talib Scottie]

wow... the same exact bands are on every superhero soundtrack, i mean shit, this is even two for TBS, which isn't a bad thing, but still, i think the same person is picking the music.

compare daredevil to the punisher soundtrack

PS daredevil was good enough to make a spin off?

[rr_thecrowing]

Hahaha...nice news icon for TBS. That's the first time I've seen that.

[[Brendan]]

PS daredevil was good enough to make a spin off?
I never said Daredevil was bad (I like the Daredevil movie, Colin Farrel was awesome as Bullseye) I just said Ben Affleck is a crap actor. The director could have got a stuffed gorrilla to play Matt Murdock, and it still would have put in a better performance than Affleck.

[fminus23]

i actually think both versions are awesome. i think the 1st is beauitful in all of its raw emotion and the 2nd version is awesome in its take on a little bit of a new approach. And as far as it being on this soundtrack who really cares, tbs will get their name out their and thats the reason people sign to majors in the first plave

[TastyBeverage]

Is Hawthorne Heights remastering the song, or are they using the same version they did as A Day in The Life?

[InaGreendase]

thats coo hawthorne heights is off the chain..... :lol2:

Hawthorne Heights needs to be severely beaten with a chain.

[fminus23]

I love everyone thinking its cool to hate hawthorne heights, granted i know they are a bad band, but people on this site are ridiculous. everyone loves to hate this band even though they listen to the same horrrible shit.

InaGreendase-
you make fun of hawthrone heights but listen to A static luallby and boys night out. its the same fucking horrible shit, so get off the fucking hateing HH bandwagon when you have no right to. they suck but so does fucking astatic lullaby

[noles05]

Hawthorne Heights needs to be severely beaten with a chain.

hahahaha

[IAPAI]

Can anyone really picture a movie producer going to the trouble of finding on out of print copy of the original Taking Back Sunday demo, listening to the older version of Your Own Disaster and saying to themselves "Wow.. this raw emotion exhibited by the lead singer is so moving that I think it would represent the transition and despair that is being felt by Elektra at this point in the movie"? No.. not really. Not to mention that the band probably wouldn't be too willing to use the older version without Fred and Matt.

[infmoe]

I'm not sure if i heard the new one? Whats the difference between the two? I have the one where they sing "hey lush have fun, its the weekend" with "forget me, it's that simple" at the end simultaneously.

[mydreamrewrite]

Can anyone really picture a movie producer going to the trouble of finding on out of print copy of the original Taking Back Sunday demo, listening to the older version of Your Own Disaster and saying to themselves "Wow.. this raw emotion exhibited by the lead singer is so moving that I think it would represent the transition and despair that is being felt by Elektra at this point in the movie"?
I think you're underestimating all of the decisions a producer/director makes throughout a movie. EVery song is (well, for most films, anyway) is carefully thought out and placed. Although, maybe not in this case...

Anyway, did any of you catch the Home Alone reference?

[straylighthaste]

w00t...christian bands to the 10th degree!!!111!!1!! a movie would not be complete without some evanescence action, oh yeah bitches!

[level4loser]

anyone who buys this album can expect me to be on their rear bumper on the way home, spinning them out to their death. seriously. if you have 15 bucks, why the hell wouldnt you save 5 more and buy a gram of pot? seriously. smoke pot, and you wont want to listen to generic emo, you'll listen to good music. and by that, i mean phish. you can diss phish all day, but they rely on more than power chords and breakup lyrics to sell records. they have "talent." NEW WORD TO THE EMO SCENE!!!!!

[Jared Kaufman]

I love everyone thinking its cool to hate hawthorne heights, granted i know they are a bad band, but people on this site are ridiculous. everyone loves to hate this band even though they listen to the same horrrible shit.

InaGreendase-
you make fun of hawthrone heights but listen to A static luallby and boys night out. its the same fucking horrible shit, so get off the fucking hateing HH bandwagon when you have no right to. they suck but so does fucking astatic lullaby
I'm personally not a fan of BNO and I enjoy ASL from time to time, but by no means are they and HH the same thing. Yes, they have "heavy" music with singing and screaming, but I think the reason most ppl hate on HH is because the lyrics are so cliche', generic, mediocre, etc. I can't say for sure, but I just assume that's their reasoning.

[Talib Scottie]

you know, hawthorne having 3 guitarists kinda makes me think of spinal tap and the whole thing about the volume going up to 11.

[fminus23]

....but jared i have a question, now honestly im not trying to be an ass or any thing, but seriously arent ASL and HH lyrics almost exactly the same thing. for example:

ASL: Take this blade to my wrist
Help me end what makes you ugly
Swimming in the pools of my mind
You come to me at night
Leave me black and save yourself

HH: And I can't make it on my own.
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.


to me that seems like the same shit, yet people will listen to ASL, but hate HH. i dont get it

[Jared Kaufman]

....but jared i have a question, now honestly im not trying to be an ass or any thing, but seriously arent ASL and HH lyrics almost exactly the same thing. for example:

ASL: Take this blade to my wrist
Help me end what makes you ugly
Swimming in the pools of my mind
You come to me at night
Leave me black and save yourself

HH: And I can't make it on my own.
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.


to me that seems like the same shit, yet people will listen to ASL, but hate HH. i dont get it
Oh, I know you're not trying to be an ass. Well, yeah, those two sets of lyrics are very similar, but I think HH's right there are just so plain. I mean it's not the best but "swimming in the pools of my mind" seems to be a little more creative than "so I can fall asleep tonight, or die" - to me that's just too straight forward. I don't know - I really don't even listen to both. I guess you'll have to ask some of the kids that are hardcore into both. I'll go back to listening to Nada Surf now.

[californiaLstop]

.
ASL: Take this blade to my wrist
Help me end what makes you ugly
Swimming in the pools of my mind
You come to me at night
Leave me black and save yourself

HH: And I can't make it on my own.
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.


Both of those are the most painfully wretched sets of lyrics ever. The whole "cut my wrists"/"Die tonight" bullshit is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO played and cliche that its completely a joke. Comparing and contrasting Hawthorne Heights and A Static Lullaby and Boys Night Out (or whatever) is like comparing plain shit to fancy diarreah.

When you kids grow up you'll realize that there are lyricists out there who actually have something to say, not juvenile break up songs that match the bands' outfits.

I hope these bands enjoy their laughable 15 minutes. The emo clock is ticking.

[mabeuf]

what a waste of a good song, movie soundtracks are the asshole of music

[chriscac28]

I'm so sick of hearing all of this bitching about how people are tired of hearing songs about girls and relationships. That's what the majority of lyrical content in pop music is and almost always has been. In classical China one of the most prevalent forms of poetry was "lyric poetry". The writers would put verses together and then the singing girls would choose a melody and they would be performed. The majority of these lyrics were about love and relationships, and this stems back hundreds to thousands of years. So for "emo", as you so like to call it, "15 minutes" is hardly the proper term. Love and loss are things that virtually everyone experiences and can relate to, so it is only natural that a whole bevy of artists will be inspired by these things.

The worst part is though that on top of this when bands do write songs about things other than girls, people STILL bitch about it. Take Good Charlotte for example: how many times have you heard complaints about them writing songs about their dad or their fucked up childhoods. That's what inspires them to be creative so that's what they write about. Same thing goes for politics and music. When bands use their music to voice their political opinions and ideals or call for social change all you hear is bitching about how politics and music don't belong together. And then there's the gripe about the lyrical content of rap and hip-hop music. If you don't want lyrics about things with deep emotional roots than what's so wrong with lyrics based on shallow material goods and wants?

None of these forms of lyrical content is more right or true or better than any other one. If you don't like the lyrics then don't listen to it. Personally I don't like all of the lyrics of all the bands I listen to (some of them I even have no clue what they're saying, nor do I really care). I just listen to what I enjoy. I also write lyrics and music and I have written songs about girls and relationships as well as other friendships, hardships I've had throughout my life, near-death experiences, etc. The most common advice given to an aspiring writer is to "write what you know" and, truth be told, nothing tells you more about what you know than your emotions.

Writing these lyrics for many of these artists is catharsis: their thoughts and feeling put into words, instrumentation and melody as a way of dealing with and getting through what they're experiencing. I can understand that if you don't relate to the lyrics than you may not want to hear them, that's fine. When I was in a happy, stable relationship the last thing I wanted to hear was another break up song. But, I guarantee that when your girlfriend dumps you for being such a pretentious prick with an elitist stick shoved up your ass you're going to run straight home crying to your Fall Out Boy or Matchbook Romance or Hawthorne Heights or A Static Lullaby albums and be singing (or, heaven forbid, SCREAMING) right along.

[fminus23]

Nada Surf is beautiful, yea i understand what your saying, just to me personally it feels like basically the same thing, but if there was a gun to my head id probably pick asl over hh like you said

[xThursdayxPTWx]

I'm so sick of hearing all of this bitching about how people are tired of hearing songs about girls and relationships. That's what the majority of lyrical content in pop music is and almost always has been. In classical China one of the most prevalent forms of poetry was "lyric poetry". The writers would put verses together and then the singing girls would choose a melody and they would be performed. The majority of these lyrics were about love and relationships, and this stems back hundreds to thousands of years. So for "emo", as you so like to call it, "15 minutes" is hardly the proper term. Love and loss are things that virtually everyone experiences and can relate to, so it is only natural that a whole bevy of artists will be inspired by these things.

The worst part is though that on top of this when bands do write songs about things other than girls, people STILL bitch about it. Take Good Charlotte for example: how many times have you heard complaints about them writing songs about their dad or their fucked up childhoods. That's what inspires them to be creative so that's what they write about. Same thing goes for politics and music. When bands use their music to voice their political opinions and ideals or call for social change all you hear is bitching about how politics and music don't belong together. And then there's the gripe about the lyrical content of rap and hip-hop music. If you don't want lyrics about things with deep emotional roots than what's so wrong with lyrics based on shallow material goods and wants?

None of these forms of lyrical content is more right or true or better than any other one. If you don't like the lyrics then don't listen to it. Personally I don't like all of the lyrics of all the bands I listen to (some of them I even have no clue what they're saying, nor do I really care). I just listen to what I enjoy. I also write lyrics and music and I have written songs about girls and relationships as well as other friendships, hardships I've had throughout my life, near-death experiences, etc. The most common advice given to an aspiring writer is to "write what you know" and, truth be told, nothing tells you more about what you know than your emotions.

Writing these lyrics for many of these artists is catharsis: their thoughts and feeling put into words, instrumentation and melody as a way of dealing with and getting through what they're experiencing. I can understand that if you don't relate to the lyrics than you may not want to hear them, that's fine. When I was in a happy, stable relationship the last thing I wanted to hear was another break up song. But, I guarantee that when your girlfriend dumps you for being such a pretentious prick with an elitist stick shoved up your ass you're going to run straight home crying to your Fall Out Boy or Matchbook Romance or Hawthorne Heights or A Static Lullaby albums and be singing (or, heaven forbid, SCREAMING) right along.

Very well said.

[guthriePC]

wow, i was going to say that. asshole. just kidding.

[IAPAI]

I think you're underestimating all of the decisions a producer/director makes throughout a movie. EVery song is (well, for most films, anyway) is carefully thought out and placed. Although, maybe not in this case...

I don't think I was underestimating at all. I know it would be a. The coolest job ever and b. Very time-consuming. However, unless the person selecting the soundtrack is a big Taking Back Sunday fan, or huge into "the scene" it wouldn't really make a difference if they had the original version or not. After seeing the previews of the movie, I don't really see how either versions of the song would fit and I am not exactly waiting on the edge of my seat to find out. It was probably just thrown on the soundtrack because they are (to the mainstream) an up-and-coming band that will help sell albums (not unlike what happened with Spider-Man 2).

[bossman calling]

Hawthorne Heights needs to be severely beaten with a chain.
damnit i was going to say that

....but jared i have a question, now honestly im not trying to be an ass or any thing, but seriously arent ASL and HH lyrics almost exactly the same thing. for example:

ASL: Take this blade to my wrist
Help me end what makes you ugly
Swimming in the pools of my mind
You come to me at night
Leave me black and save yourself

HH: And I can't make it on my own.
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.


to me that seems like the same shit, yet people will listen to ASL, but hate HH. i dont get it
i've always maintained that both bands are awful

though hh seals the fact that they are worse when they follow it with "you kill me well"

[Spaulding44]

I'm so sick of hearing all of this bitching about how people are tired of hearing songs about girls and relationships. That's what the majority of lyrical content in pop music is and almost always has been. In classical China one of the most prevalent forms of poetry was "lyric poetry". The writers would put verses together and then the singing girls would choose a melody and they would be performed. The majority of these lyrics were about love and relationships, and this stems back hundreds to thousands of years. So for "emo", as you so like to call it, "15 minutes" is hardly the proper term. Love and loss are things that virtually everyone experiences and can relate to, so it is only natural that a whole bevy of artists will be inspired by these things.

The worst part is though that on top of this when bands do write songs about things other than girls, people STILL bitch about it. Take Good Charlotte for example: how many times have you heard complaints about them writing songs about their dad or their fucked up childhoods. That's what inspires them to be creative so that's what they write about. Same thing goes for politics and music. When bands use their music to voice their political opinions and ideals or call for social change all you hear is bitching about how politics and music don't belong together. And then there's the gripe about the lyrical content of rap and hip-hop music. If you don't want lyrics about things with deep emotional roots than what's so wrong with lyrics based on shallow material goods and wants?

None of these forms of lyrical content is more right or true or better than any other one. If you don't like the lyrics then don't listen to it. Personally I don't like all of the lyrics of all the bands I listen to (some of them I even have no clue what they're saying, nor do I really care). I just listen to what I enjoy. I also write lyrics and music and I have written songs about girls and relationships as well as other friendships, hardships I've had throughout my life, near-death experiences, etc. The most common advice given to an aspiring writer is to "write what you know" and, truth be told, nothing tells you more about what you know than your emotions.

Writing these lyrics for many of these artists is catharsis: their thoughts and feeling put into words, instrumentation and melody as a way of dealing with and getting through what they're experiencing. I can understand that if you don't relate to the lyrics than you may not want to hear them, that's fine. When I was in a happy, stable relationship the last thing I wanted to hear was another break up song. But, I guarantee that when your girlfriend dumps you for being such a pretentious prick with an elitist stick shoved up your ass you're going to run straight home crying to your Fall Out Boy or Matchbook Romance or Hawthorne Heights or A Static Lullaby albums and be singing (or, heaven forbid, SCREAMING) right along.



CLAP...........CLAP.........CLAP... .CLAP..CLAP

ya thats me starting a slow clap for you...very nice post

[LPMagic]

The piano version of Your Own Disaster is amazing. I'm not so much a fan of the other one. Anyways, I disliked HH from the start, I'm not jumping on any hate bandwagon.

- Jeff

[MDR]

I think HH is a good example of a guilty pleasure. I thought I read they had the best 1st week sales of any victory artist? I dont hate HH, I think Ive listened to their record once. Their from dayton, where I go to school at, and Ohio isnt like California where you have shitty bands all over the place, that are famous on ap.net for a week, then go peace out, so I respect them for working hard. But with all do respect, I think they are playing whats popular in the whole emo scene right now, and once a band seems to glorify and generalize a style, people hate it. They might be mediocore, but I respect them for being honest, hardworking guys.

[Talib Scottie]

i dont like hawthorne but i dont hate them. there is much worse out there.

[last light]

I'm so sick of hearing all of this bitching about how people are tired of hearing songs about girls and relationships. That's what the majority of lyrical content in pop music is and almost always has been. In classical China one of the most prevalent forms of poetry was "lyric poetry". The writers would put verses together and then the singing girls would choose a melody and they would be performed. The majority of these lyrics were about love and relationships, and this stems back hundreds to thousands of years. So for "emo", as you so like to call it, "15 minutes" is hardly the proper term. Love and loss are things that virtually everyone experiences and can relate to, so it is only natural that a whole bevy of artists will be inspired by these things.

The worst part is though that on top of this when bands do write songs about things other than girls, people STILL bitch about it. Take Good Charlotte for example: how many times have you heard complaints about them writing songs about their dad or their fucked up childhoods. That's what inspires them to be creative so that's what they write about. Same thing goes for politics and music. When bands use their music to voice their political opinions and ideals or call for social change all you hear is bitching about how politics and music don't belong together. And then there's the gripe about the lyrical content of rap and hip-hop music. If you don't want lyrics about things with deep emotional roots than what's so wrong with lyrics based on shallow material goods and wants?

None of these forms of lyrical content is more right or true or better than any other one. If you don't like the lyrics then don't listen to it. Personally I don't like all of the lyrics of all the bands I listen to (some of them I even have no clue what they're saying, nor do I really care). I just listen to what I enjoy. I also write lyrics and music and I have written songs about girls and relationships as well as other friendships, hardships I've had throughout my life, near-death experiences, etc. The most common advice given to an aspiring writer is to "write what you know" and, truth be told, nothing tells you more about what you know than your emotions.

Writing these lyrics for many of these artists is catharsis: their thoughts and feeling put into words, instrumentation and melody as a way of dealing with and getting through what they're experiencing. I can understand that if you don't relate to the lyrics than you may not want to hear them, that's fine. When I was in a happy, stable relationship the last thing I wanted to hear was another break up song. But, I guarantee that when your girlfriend dumps you for being such a pretentious prick with an elitist stick shoved up your ass you're going to run straight home crying to your Fall Out Boy or Matchbook Romance or Hawthorne Heights or A Static Lullaby albums and be singing (or, heaven forbid, SCREAMING) right along.


wow i fucking love this kid, everyone was owned, and he could not be more correct. this whole EMO'S clock is ticking away is completely insane. EVERY type of music can be branded as EMO if when they talk about losing a loved one/breaking up. take the band HIM why are they not considered the biggest EMO band ever? all their lyrics are about love and girlfriends and death. dont get me wrong i think hawthorne heights is a horrible band, they arent original nor are they talented musicians, but their lyrics are still how they feel, its still what they want to write and a lot of people clearly enjoy this band. Music is music, nobody needs to like the same thing as everyone else.

[irthesteve]

Taking Back Sunday (http://www.takingbacksunday.com)'s song "Your Own Disaster" will appear on the upcoming soundtrack for the new Jennifer Garner movie Elektra. Also appearing on the album will be an unreleased Hawthorne Heights (http://www.hawthorneheights.com/) song titled "Angels With Even Filthier Souls". To check out the full track listing, go here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006UEVJ0/theduchovnystore/104-0680561-2012758).
YES!!!!! ALTER BRIDGE!!!!!!

[giantasinrobot]

hh sucks if you have been to a show. they play with no energy as if half the people in the room want them to get off (which is true)... their lyrics sound like they were written by a pre-pubescent junior high student.... terrible stuff.

and what was so brilliant about that guys long reply? he rambled on about common sense and repeated himself...

to put it in simpler terms, your music is not better than your own opinion.

[.cut.up.angel.]

taking back sunday are awesome

[LPMagic]

taking back sunday are awesome

Way to contribute ;-)

- Jeff

[californiaLstop]

I'm so sick of hearing all of this bitching about how people are tired of hearing songs about girls and relationships. That's what the majority of lyrical content in pop music is and almost always has been. In classical China one of the most prevalent forms of poetry was "lyric poetry". The writers would put verses together and then the singing girls would choose a melody and they would be performed. The majority of these lyrics were about love and relationships, and this stems back hundreds to thousands of years. So for "emo", as you so like to call it, "15 minutes" is hardly the proper term. Love and loss are things that virtually everyone experiences and can relate to, so it is only natural that a whole bevy of artists will be inspired by these things.

The worst part is though that on top of this when bands do write songs about things other than girls, people STILL bitch about it. Take Good Charlotte for example: how many times have you heard complaints about them writing songs about their dad or their fucked up childhoods. That's what inspires them to be creative so that's what they write about. Same thing goes for politics and music. When bands use their music to voice their political opinions and ideals or call for social change all you hear is bitching about how politics and music don't belong together. And then there's the gripe about the lyrical content of rap and hip-hop music. If you don't want lyrics about things with deep emotional roots than what's so wrong with lyrics based on shallow material goods and wants?

None of these forms of lyrical content is more right or true or better than any other one. If you don't like the lyrics then don't listen to it. Personally I don't like all of the lyrics of all the bands I listen to (some of them I even have no clue what they're saying, nor do I really care). I just listen to what I enjoy. I also write lyrics and music and I have written songs about girls and relationships as well as other friendships, hardships I've had throughout my life, near-death experiences, etc. The most common advice given to an aspiring writer is to "write what you know" and, truth be told, nothing tells you more about what you know than your emotions.

Writing these lyrics for many of these artists is catharsis: their thoughts and feeling put into words, instrumentation and melody as a way of dealing with and getting through what they're experiencing. I can understand that if you don't relate to the lyrics than you may not want to hear them, that's fine. When I was in a happy, stable relationship the last thing I wanted to hear was another break up song. But, I guarantee that when your girlfriend dumps you for being such a pretentious prick with an elitist stick shoved up your ass you're going to run straight home crying to your Fall Out Boy or Matchbook Romance or Hawthorne Heights or A Static Lullaby albums and be singing (or, heaven forbid, SCREAMING) right along.


Let me clarify what i mean by the "emo clock"... obviously i realize that all music is driven by emotion and the individuals' creativity and need to express what they are feeling. That is never going to change. What i am saying is "emo" in the sense that it is used now to refer to a scene.. and you know what i'm talking about it. Don't play dumb. I seriously CANNOT tell the difference between Matchbook Romance, Hawthorne Heights, Boys Night Out, etc. None of it does anything for me and the lyrics do not speak to me at all. like I said before the whole suicide-themed/cut my wrists/black out my eyes thing has been done OVER AND OVER again by bands in the same genre who sound nearly identical.

There's no reason to defend obvious mediocrity and music and support bands who aren't going to be relevant in under a year. I know it's whoever's choice to listen to whatever they want to listen to. And thats fine.. if it speaks to you, more power to you. But, you cannot deny that repeated songs about the same topic is juvenile and mediocre. Sure, classic bands like the Beatles and Rolling Stones, and songwriters like Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen also wrote memorable love/breakup songs but, seriously, those people are geniuses. I fail to see the genius in bands who's whole existence is predicated on what label they are signed to and if they can make the cover of AP, or what clothes they wear.

As a side note... I do not own a single record by any of the bands you have mentioned. I have heard some of their music on various occasions and have seen all of them live at some point. Like I said before, it does nothing for me. It's kiddie pseudo-music that will be gone in a year once the record labels they are on move onto the next thing.

[LPMagic]

I fail to see the genius in bands who's whole existence is predicated on what label they are signed to and if they can make the cover of AP, or what clothes they wear.

Excellent post and points, the above quote stuck out to me.

- Jeff

[.cut.up.angel.]

I'm so sick of hearing all of this bitching about how people are tired of hearing songs about girls and relationships. That's what the majority of lyrical content in pop music is and almost always has been. In classical China one of the most prevalent forms of poetry was "lyric poetry". The writers would put verses together and then the singing girls would choose a melody and they would be performed. The majority of these lyrics were about love and relationships, and this stems back hundreds to thousands of years. So for "emo", as you so like to call it, "15 minutes" is hardly the proper term. Love and loss are things that virtually everyone experiences and can relate to, so it is only natural that a whole bevy of artists will be inspired by these things. shove it up your ass :)

[InaGreendase]

True, A Static Lullaby, who I realize are a fairly cheesy alebit enjoyable band, followed the 1-2 of Glassjaw ---> Finch, as Hawthorne Heights did Grade ---> Silverstein, but honestly, A Static Lullaby actually has some sort of talent in their collective bodies. The screaming isn't nearly as forced or produced on record, the melodic vocals aren't half as nasally, the intensity isn't as awkward, and they don't have a third guitarist taking up needless space. The standout aspect, that being lyrics, was already addressed.

[CyberInferno]

i like the old one best.
Big shocker considering you have john nolan's face as your avatar. Three cheers for captain obvious!

[chriscac28]

What i am saying is "emo" in the sense that it is used now to refer to a scene...and you know what i'm talking about it. Don't play dumb.
Honestly, no I don't know what you are talking about as far as "emo" referring to a scene. The term "emo" has been applied to as many bands as the term pop music, it is entirely irrelevant.

I seriously CANNOT tell the difference between Matchbook Romance, Hawthorne Heights, Boys Night Out, etc. If you are going to honestly tell me that these bands all sound identical to you than I must question the validity of any other point you make. They may all deal with similar issues and thus write lyrics referring to the same topics, and they may all be lumped together in a similar label as far as their style of music goes but they sound nowhere near identical. Similar yes, but about as similar as Fall Out Boy sounds to Blink in the pop-punk genre.

None of it does anything for me and the lyrics do not speak to me at all. like I said before the whole suicide-themed/cut my wrists/black out my eyes thing has been done OVER AND OVER againThat's all well and good, but just because you can't relate or don't want to hear about it doesn't undermine the validity of these themes. Cliches become just such for a reason.

There's no reason to defend obvious mediocrity...I fail to see the genius in bands who's whole existence is predicated on what label they are signed to and if they can make the cover of AP, or what clothes they wear.It's not the bands who predicate their success on such things, it's the fans. I'm sure many of these bands have existed (in some form or another) since well before this whole "emo" term and subsequent scene became popular. If people like a certain band because they look or dress a certain way, that is not the fault of the band nor does it undermine the quality of the art they are creating. Like it or not the music we all know and love (known under all sorts of names such as indie, punk, post-punk, pop-punk, emo, etc.) has become a part of the mainstream. It is now a part of pop-music. These kinds of bands get significant radio play and yes some bands may be cashing in on this just to make some money, but it is not for either you or I to judge whether these people are making music for the sole sake of making money off it. If you don't like it, don't listen to it and then if said band is creating their so-called art just to make some money, they will make a few bucks less thanks to you.

As a side note... I do not own a single record by any of the bands you have mentioned...I only used these bands as examples, but I'm sure you own some record by a band who performs in a similar manner. In either case, whatever, who cares. Like I said before no form of lyrical content is more right or true or better than any other.

This is the armchair quarterback syndrome (and yes I will admit to being guilty of this myself at times): we all have these great ideas about how things should work but yet we have no ability to put these thoughts into action. Theory without practice is just as useless (if not moreso) than bad practice itself. Like these bands or not, respect them for what they do.

They are out there (figuratively) cutting themselves open on stage ever night. Bleeding out their thoughts and feelings and you just go and insult them for it. Yeah, it may be the same thing someone else has said and they may not have used as many metaphors or as clever a one as someone else but that does not in any way demean what they are trying to convey. Honestly, some of my personal favorite lyrics are some of the most simple and straightforward (e.g. Limbeck) what's meant is what is said and nothing else and as far as a band such as Hawthorne Heights (though I am not really a fan at all) is concerned, the straightforwardness of their lyrics is really a breath of fresh air from all the faux-poetics and obfuscation tactics practiced by others...see, now you have me going off on tangents about the objectivity of subjectively based (and interpreted) lyrics.

All I have to say now is listen to and like what you want to but don't tell anyone that your opinion of good art is better than anyone else's.

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werd.., i don't care about the soundtrack and what bands are on it. but i'd totally pay like 8$ or whatever to see jennifer garner kick ass!

[giantasinrobot]

you people are arguing for no reason. both of you hold your own opinions and i dont forsee anytime in the immediate future that either of you force your belief on the other....

you both dont like the same music, big fucking deal, put whatever music you like on your ipod, cd player, tape deck, 8 track and bump the fuck out of it.

get over trying to be superiour to other people, that only happens when your george w bush (:

[chriscac28]

i don't really see this as an argument at all, more just a rather civilized discussion (that's a shocker for these forums, huh?) i know we both have differing opinions, that's actually the purpose of discussing these issues. i'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, and the beliefs i did present were those of open-mindedness and not judging and labelling.

i was saying the exact same thing: listen to what you want and enjoy it. fuck labels and fuck what other people say about how bad the music is.

[bossman calling]

listen to what you want and enjoy it. fuck labels and fuck what other people say about how bad the music is.
unless it's hawthorne heights

[giantasinrobot]

^---- he has a point, hahahaha. hh suck ass.