View Full Version : Pope condemns love of money and power
jagermeister
09/14/08, 05:28 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/09/13/pope-france.html
Somewhat of an interesting article...kind of a hypocritical message from the Pope if you ask me. Might make for good discussion...thoughts?
boykosaurus
09/14/08, 08:36 AM
Interesting article, though (as a Catholic) I'd have to disagree that knowledge has created its own modern idols. I believe that knowledge and faith easily coincide.
thats because he has both.
I couldn't care less about what this man has to say. But I do agree that it is very hypocritical.
deadstar
09/14/08, 03:20 PM
I dont find it hypocritical at all. With the way countries have been operating the last few decades, he couldnt be more right.
boykosaurus
09/14/08, 03:22 PM
Salvation comes at a high price, hasn't anyone seen how many time Jesus has been gilded in Catholic churches?
:-/
sdbrown
09/14/08, 03:28 PM
Isn't this the same man that wore Gucci shoes?
boykosaurus
09/14/08, 03:31 PM
http://bp1.blogger.com/_BB2CEUhgSSY/SGZ0Ax5qmYI/AAAAAAAAB-s/tE-gxMNarXk/s400/b16shoes.jpg
billyboatkid
09/14/08, 03:34 PM
Random fact.
My grandma got me a charm of St. Michael the Archangel which she got blessed by the pope.
Yes, I'm Catholic.
Isn't this the same man that wore Gucci shoes?
plus they were red in colour.
spikeXtheXpunch
09/14/08, 03:50 PM
Random fact.
My grandma got me a charm of St. Michael the Archangel which she got blessed by the pope.
Yes, I'm Catholic.
lol yeah, I have a rosary blessed by the pope from my grandma.
billyboatkid
09/14/08, 05:28 PM
lol yeah, I have a rosary blessed by the pope from my grandma.
Nice. I love my little charm. Never take it off. Everyone seems to like it too.
open mind
09/14/08, 08:29 PM
i'd agree that people are generally less focused on spiritual well being then they should be....myself included.
Worship your best interests to be the best you can be.
Anybody else smell a little Objectivism?
absolutecrunk
09/14/08, 08:56 PM
"He said 17 Black THANK YOU let's go to Bellagio."
benjammun
09/14/08, 11:26 PM
Considering the Vatican is the wealthiest landowner in the world and probably one of the most powerful non-government organizations...I would recommend he refer to Jesus' definition of a hypocrite.
deadstar
09/15/08, 06:20 AM
He also uses that power to influence governments and do a lot of good in the world as well. Its not like hes just sitting on his ass making people kiss his feet.
saysmydoctor
09/15/08, 07:10 AM
This coming from the man who leads the richest institution in the world.
Bring back John Paul, k, bye.
jagermeister
09/15/08, 09:24 AM
This coming from the man who leads the richest institution in the world.
Bring back John Paul, k, bye.
The Catholic Church/Vatican isnt't the richest institution in the world. And I really hope you're referring to John Paul II.
The_kok
09/15/08, 09:46 AM
http://bp1.blogger.com/_BB2CEUhgSSY/SGZ0Ax5qmYI/AAAAAAAAB-s/tE-gxMNarXk/s400/b16shoes.jpg
umm how about this:
http://keralaarticles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/st_peters-basilica.jpg
benjammun
09/15/08, 10:52 AM
The Catholic Church/Vatican isnt't the richest institution in the world. And I really hope you're referring to John Paul II.
That's debatable. You'd have to factor original art works by people like Michaelangelo and Carvaggio - works that could be auctioned off for millions today - and statues made from gold or silver. Their wealth also includes immense lands and real estate investments. Regardless of rank, it's a billion-dollar industry ($17.7 in FY 2002).
boykosaurus
09/15/08, 12:04 PM
umm how about this:
http://keralaarticles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/st_peters-basilica.jpg
It's so beautiful, I hope to go there one day.
The_kok
09/15/08, 12:34 PM
It's so beautiful, I hope to go there one day.
I've been there
A tad hypocritical with the pope's message, but nevertheless amazing
saysmydoctor
09/15/08, 12:53 PM
The Catholic Church/Vatican isnt't the richest institution in the world. And I really hope you're referring to John Paul II.
Do you know how many pieces of property the church own? Land, art, statues, and the Vatican itself. The whole city is a historical priceless piece of architecture littered with tons of statues and pieces of art. Bernini's, Michaelangelo's, Da Vinci's, Reni's, Caravaggio's....I could go on.
And while I disagree with a lot of John Paul's ideals, he modernized the church however.
redalibi
09/15/08, 02:26 PM
Do you know how many pieces of property the church own? Land, art, statues, and the Vatican itself. The whole city is a historical priceless piece of architecture littered with tons of statues and pieces of art. Bernini's, Michaelangelo's, Da Vinci's, Reni's, Caravaggio's....I could go on.
And while I disagree with a lot of John Paul's ideals, he modernized the church however.
I don't know what to make of this. I mean, if they didn't purchase those artifacts or land and it was given/inherited to them I don't see why people point to this as "bad" rich. If my family has an house/estate passed down to every generation in a downtown area of city and it was a really pretty house, then of course, over time, it is going to be a very expensive house. Obviously, the Vatican has a somewhat a long history so what do you expect? At the same time, I don't know every single detail about it, and this is what I think.
jagermeister
09/15/08, 02:36 PM
Do you know how many pieces of property the church own? Land, art, statues, and the Vatican itself. The whole city is a historical priceless piece of architecture littered with tons of statues and pieces of art. Bernini's, Michaelangelo's, Da Vinci's, Reni's, Caravaggio's....I could go on.
And while I disagree with a lot of John Paul's ideals, he modernized the church however.
No, and neither do you. Granted the Vatican is wealthy I highly doubt its the wealthiest institution in the world. Either way, the current pope is an idiot and hypocrite though this article IMO.
And just to clear things up Pope John Paul and Pope John Paul II are two different people.
saysmydoctor
09/15/08, 03:31 PM
No, and neither do you. Granted the Vatican is wealthy I highly doubt its the wealthiest institution in the world. Either way, the current pope is an idiot and hypocrite though this article IMO.
And just to clear things up Pope John Paul and Pope John Paul II are two different people.
Well, there are the Catholic Churches across the world, the Vatican, the Summer Palaces, the numerous other operations they have around the world, and all the paintings. Of course I don't have numbers. Also, consider the fact they take donations every time a mass is held, the money is constantly filtered in and the Vatican...
And I'm aware, I'm clearly talking about the II.
jagermeister
09/15/08, 03:51 PM
Well, there are the Catholic Churches across the world, the Vatican, the Summer Palaces, the numerous other operations they have around the world, and all the paintings. Of course I don't have numbers. Also, consider the fact they take donations every time a mass is held, the money is constantly filtered in and the Vatican...
And I'm aware, I'm clearly talking about the II.
Its something like they make 450 billion a year. And for comparison I think the US is something like 15 trillion, give or take a few trillion.
Also, what are the Summer Palaces and why is it treated as a proper noun? Sorry, I've "been Catholic" my whole life and have never heard this term.
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