Prosecution of President Bush....

[HashHolly]

....maybe?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080919/ap_on_el_st_lo/prosecuting_bush

not gonna happen

[sdbrown]

I really wish he would get prosecuted for something related to the war. I know the probability of it happening are low but I think it makes the US look terrible on the international level. Plus it sends a terrible message to our leaders, that our president started an illegal war on another country and has wasted billions of dollars and resources to fight while most of the population is acting like "ah, well, that's bad, but he was only doing what he needed to protect the country, give him a break!"

It seems ridiculous that Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow job and Bush isn't getting criticized nearly as badly for starting a WAR.

[Broken Parachute]

I really wish he would get prosecuted for something related to the war. I know the probability of it happening are low but I think it makes the US look terrible on the international level. Plus it sends a terrible message to our leaders, that our president started an illegal war on another country and has wasted billions of dollars and resources to fight while most of the population is acting like "ah, well, that's bad, but he was only doing what he needed to protect the country, give him a break!"

It seems ridiculous that Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow job and Bush isn't getting criticized nearly as badly for starting a WAR.Lying under oath. There's a difference.

[sdbrown]

I know, and I'm not saying he shouldn't have been impeached for it, but just in the scheme of things what he lied about didn't cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

[HashHolly]

I know, and I'm not saying he shouldn't have been impeached for it, but just in the scheme of things what he lied about didn't cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

exactly, in the grand scheme of things really which is worse, lying about a blowjob, or lying about the reasons to invade another country which results in thousands of our soldiers dying, and billions of dollars wasted, especially looking at the current economic crisis we are facing.

unfortunately this is America, and nothing will happen to Bush

[deadstar]

Do people have any idea how much the US spent investigating the Clinton scandal? Granted its not nearly the cost of the Iraq war in terms of money and loss of life, but the Clinton scandal still cost us a lot of money that people overlook.

[Broken Parachute]

You're an idiot if you think it was what he lied about rather than the fact that he lied in the first place.

[saysmydoctor]

You're an idiot if you think it was what he lied about rather than the fact that he lied in the first place.
This.

[Broken Parachute]

And by the way, I'm not defending Bush or Clinton. I'm stating facts.

[sdbrown]

Do people have any idea how much the US spent investigating the Clinton scandal? Granted its not nearly the cost of the Iraq war in terms of money and loss of life, but the Clinton scandal still cost us a lot of money that people overlook.
That is a good point, I don't really know too much about how much legal fees usually amount to but it did stretch on for a while. Like you mentioned though, far from the 10 million (billion?) dollars a day we were spending in Iraq.

You're an idiot if you think it was what he lied about rather than the fact that he lied in the first place.
I acknowledged that he deserved to be impeached for what he did. I'm just a little dumbfounded that Clinton was brought to trial for having an affair and Bush started a war and it's like no one in Washington is even batting an eye. And I don't really think perjury as it applied to his trial is nearly as bad of an offense as attacking a sovereign nation against the wishes of the UN.

[Broken Parachute]

That is a good point, I don't really know too much about how much legal fees usually amount to but it did stretch on for a while. Like you mentioned though, far from the 10 million (billion?) dollars a day we were spending in Iraq.


I acknowledged that he deserved to be impeached for what he did. I'm just a little dumbfounded that Clinton was brought to trial for having an affair and Bush started a war and it's like no one in Washington is even batting an eye. And I don't really think perjury as it applied to his trial is nearly as bad of an offense as attacking a sovereign nation against the wishes of the UN.Fail.

I don't care if he lied about taking a shit at 8:00 when he took one at 8:15...he lied. Game over.

[sdbrown]

I don't care if he lied about taking a shit at 8:00 when he took one at 8:15...he lied. Game over.
The last sentence was my opinion, thus the "I think". It was wrong. I'm not trying to argue that or say it's okay as a national stance on perjury goes. I just think if we can take one president to trial for something (IMO) so stupid we should be taking this president to trial for an offense that is (IMO) far more severe.

[sdbrown]

Fail.
What? It's been like 10 years since I've even looked at it but he was brought to trial FIRST because they were investigating the affair. He lied while giving his deposition and they brought him to trial for perjury. I apologize if I had facts wrong, I'm working on a paper due in 3 hours and wasn't going to dick around on wikipedia.

[Broken Parachute]

Perjury is not stupid. It's the law. He's our President. He is subject to the law.

[Broken Parachute]

What? It's been like 10 years since I've even looked at it but he was brought to trial FIRST because they were investigating the affair. He lied while giving his deposition and they brought him to trial for perjury. I apologize if I had facts wrong.I'm pretty sure the trial was due to the perjury/obstruction of justice/abuse of powers charges.

[Lueda Alia]

....maybe?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080919/ap_on_el_st_lo/prosecuting_bush

not gonna happen
Either way, someone should really work on this.

[Broken Parachute]

Well, of course the AG of Vermont would want to initiate that, haha.

[Lueda Alia]

Well, of course the AG of Vermont would want to initiate that, haha.
I don't care who it is. Someone really needs to do it, though. He and his administration have gotten away with too many things.

[splitsecond]

This Prosecutor apparently did not attend her Constitutional Law class in law school. Bad lawyer is bad.

[ActionActionFan]

Stupidest idea. But hey if you want to waste tax payers money for nothing, and have nothing come of it, then go ahead and look like idiots.

[HashHolly]

You're an idiot if you think it was what he lied about rather than the fact that he lied in the first place.

i know the whole point is he lied, but i find it a little fucked that a lie about a blowjob gets more scrutiny that a lie about reasons to start a war.

[driftsandpulls]

Fail.

I don't care if he lied about taking a shit at 8:00 when he took one at 8:15...he lied. Game over. So it's cool to lie to the American people as long as it's not under oath?
I'm lost.

[HashHolly]

Stupidest idea. But hey if you want to waste tax payers money for nothing, and have nothing come of it, then go ahead and look like idiots.

MY tax dollars get wasted on alot of nothing already, whats a few more dollars if it means some mroe light will be shed on an event that led to FUCKING WAR, kid.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

So it's cool to lie to the American people as long as it's not under oath?
I'm lost.

yes

politicians do it all the time

lying underoath makes you a law breaker

lying makes you a liar

you generally don't get prosecuted for the latter. I'm not saying its good. But thats how it is.

While we're hindsighting, what about prosecuting all the people that gave him permission to do this. Democrats and Republicans in congress. Talk about letting people off the hook. If there had been half as much scrutiny of this war on that end as there has been now we'd be better off.

[HashHolly]

yes

politicians do it all the time

lying underoath makes you a law breaker

lying makes you a liar

you generally don't get prosecuted for the latter. I'm not saying its good. But thats how it is.

While we're hindsighting, what about prosecuting all the people that gave him permission to do this. Democrats and Republicans in congress. Talk about letting people off the hook. If there had been half as much scrutiny of this war on that end as there has been now we'd be better off.

So, your saying its ok that the President of these United States of America can get a pass because the lie that he spoke, which has cost the lives of thousands of AMERICAN soldiers, and have cost the american tax payers billions of dollars is ok, because, his lie wasnt under oath, and because all politicians do it?

This is whats wrong with this fucking country, how do we not hold people like that accountable for their actions?

[ActionActionFan]

MY tax dollars get wasted on alot of nothing already, whats a few more dollars if it means some mroe light will be shed on an event that led to FUCKING WAR, kid.

To start with your profile says you're from Fiji so your tax dollars aren't going anywhere in the US. And I'll tell you what the lead up to the war was. We were attacked by Al-Qaida and at the same time we believed that Iraq had nuclear weapons. So we went in to fix both those problems and in the process took a dictator out of power. And if we prosecute Bush then why not go after every member of congress who voted for the war.

[Broken Parachute]

I don't care who it is. Someone really needs to do it, though. He and his administration have gotten away with too many things.I was making a joke...

So it's cool to lie to the American people as long as it's not under oath?
I'm lost.Who said that?

[HashHolly]

To start with your profile says you're from Fiji so your tax dollars aren't going anywhere in the US. And I'll tell you what the lead up to the war was. We were attacked by Al-Qaida and at the same time we believed that Iraq had nuclear weapons. So we went in to fix both those problems and in the process took a dictator out of power. And if we prosecute Bush then why not go after every member of congress who voted for the war.

I love stupid people. First off, this is the internet, so everything present on it must be true right? I was born in New York and live in Florida, so yes, my fucking tax dollars are here in the United States. Second, dont give me that bullshit, we got attacked by Al-Quida, we went into Afghanistan, we should've finished what we started and caught Osama Bin-Laden, and then worry about WMD-less Iraq. Do you know how stupid it is to say that we started a war on "beleifes", on maybe's. Clearly they're no WMD's in Iraq, there was evidence of that, and the President decided that he wanted to go into Iraq anyway, and he did. We have lost thousands of soldiers in Iraq for a bullshit war. And while i may not approve of everything congress does, i can only assume when the President came to them stating he had evidence that Iraq had WMD's and therefore we needed to go into Iraq to take care of it, they believed his fucking lie and did it. The President and his advisors are to blame for this.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

So, your saying its ok that the President of these United States of America can get a pass because the lie that he spoke, which has cost the lives of thousands of AMERICAN soldiers, and have cost the american tax payers billions of dollars is ok, because, his lie wasnt under oath, and because all politicians do it?

This is whats wrong with this fucking country, how do we not hold people like that accountable for their actions?

did you read what i said?

i said its not good, but thats how it is

a politician misleading us is simply not illegal. you asked the question "so its cool to lie?" like the guy you were responding to decides the law.

you have to be a complete idiot looking for an argument to read what i said as "its ok that he lied". its simply not illegal. and you conveniently didn't respond to my comment about all the other people equally responsible in not holding him accountable and ironically the only people that can do so now.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Who said that?

he's not concerned with what you say

[ActionActionFan]

I love stupid people. First off, this is the internet, so everything present on it must be true right? I was born in New York and live in Florida, so yes, my fucking tax dollars are here in the United States. Second, dont give me that bullshit, we got attacked by Al-Quida, we went into Afghanistan, we should've finished what we started and caught Osama Bin-Laden, and then worry about WMD-less Iraq. Do you know how stupid it is to say that we started a war on "beleifes", on maybe's. Clearly they're no WMD's in Iraq, there was evidence of that, and the President decided that he wanted to go into Iraq anyway, and he did. We have lost thousands of soldiers in Iraq for a bullshit war. And while i may not approve of everything congress does, i can only assume when the President came to them stating he had evidence that Iraq had WMD's and therefore we needed to go into Iraq to take care of it, they believed his fucking lie and did it. The President and his advisors are to blame for this.

Hillary Clinton said that she didn't even need to read the report that Bush gave to congress because from what Bill told her about Iraq she thought they were a threat to the US. Oh and beautiful grammar on the bolded part.

[Broken Parachute]

Hillary Clinton said that she didn't even need to read the report that Bush gave to congress because from what Bill told her about Iraq she thought they were a threat to the US. Oh and beautiful grammer on the bolded part.Hahahahahaha.

[boykosaurus]

:rolleyes:

[ActionActionFan]

Hahahahahaha.

Whatever, grammar* is more important than spelling.

[boykosaurus]

Syntax ftw?

[Broken Parachute]

Whatever, grammar* is more important than spelling.Yur rite, grammer iz m0re imprtnt then spalling.

[loveisdead]

Yur rite, grammer iz m0re imprtnt then spalling.
BAD GRAMMAR!

[HashHolly]

did you read what i said?

i said its not good, but thats how it is

a politician misleading us is simply not illegal. you asked the question "so its cool to lie?" like the guy you were responding to decides the law.

you have to be a complete idiot looking for an argument to read what i said as "its ok that he lied". its simply not illegal. and you conveniently didn't respond to my comment about all the other people equally responsible in not holding him accountable and ironically the only people that can do so now.

And this is exactly whats wrong with we Americans....since when should a politician lying get a free pass because "thats just the way it is". He lied to the American people, and because of his actions Americans died, im pretty sure he can be impeached for something, oh wait, maybe he can:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4167427.shtml

I said this once but: "And while i may not approve of everything congress does, i can only assume when the President came to them stating he had evidence that Iraq had WMD's and therefore we needed to go into Iraq to take care of it, they believed his fucking lie and did it. The President and his advisors are to blame for this."

Hillary Clinton said that she didn't even need to read the report that Bush gave to congress because from what Bill told her about Iraq she thought they were a threat to the US. Oh and beautiful grammar on the bolded part.

Hahah, but didn't Bill also lie about cheating? What a golden source she turned to.

pot says what to kettle? :-p

[open mind]

Perjury is not stupid. It's the law. He's our President. He is subject to the law.

tell that to george bush.

[open mind]

So, your saying its ok that the President of these United States of America can get a pass because the lie that he spoke, which has cost the lives of thousands of AMERICAN soldiers, and have cost the american tax payers billions of dollars is ok, because, his lie wasnt under oath, and because all politicians do it?

This is whats wrong with this fucking country, how do we not hold people like that accountable for their actions?

bush didn't do anything illegal when he misled the american public into war.........but he has routinely broken the law.

[Matthew Tsai]

this is going wayy too far. like it or not, there have been worse presidents in history. bush. is. not. the. worse. though he has been prettttyyyyy baddd.

[Twizx]

No I definitely think he's the worst.

[Jason Tate]

did you read what i said?

i said its not good, but thats how it is

a politician misleading us is simply not illegal. you asked the question "so its cool to lie?" like the guy you were responding to decides the law.

you have to be a complete idiot looking for an argument to read what i said as "its ok that he lied". its simply not illegal. and you conveniently didn't respond to my comment about all the other people equally responsible in not holding him accountable and ironically the only people that can do so now.

It is too illegal. Wtf are you smoking? Look up "the case against bush" for a variety of legal reasons.

[loveisdead]

this is going wayy too far. like it or not, there have been worse presidents in history. bush. is. not. the. worse. though he has been prettttyyyyy baddd.
He'll go down as one of the top 3 or 5 worst presidents.

[incredulous]

Nothing will ever happen to Bush. Screaming "executive privilege" every time something comes up has proven to be pretty effective.

[Machu505]

Bush is the worst president. If not of all time, then of our generation.

[The Affliction]

Perjury is not stupid. It's the law. He's our President. He is subject to the law.

Please tell me what makes you think that our President is subject to the law, given the current administrations actions? If anything, I would argue the opposite. In six months, come back, and we'll see who's right.

[open mind]

It is too illegal. Wtf are you smoking? Look up "the case against bush" for a variety of legal reasons.

it depends on when and where the lie is presented, and the motivation and the consequences of the lie.....in most instances simply lying isn't illegal though.

[open mind]

Perjury is not stupid. It's the law. He's our President. He is subject to the law.

i will say that no one can say george bush and his gang have commited perjury....but that's only because they routinely refuse to testify under oath....which in itself is a violation of the law.

[Broken Parachute]

Please tell me what makes you think that our President is subject to the law, given the current administrations actions? If anything, I would argue the opposite. In six months, come back, and we'll see who's right.Such as...

[Broken Parachute]

i will say that no one can say george bush and his gang have commited perjury....but that's only because they routinely refuse to testify under oath....which in itself is a violation of the law.Testify for what reason?

[open mind]

Testify for what reason?

to give thier side of the story on allegations of abuses of power.

[Broken Parachute]

to give thier side of the story on allegations of abuses of power.Oh, OK. I didn't know what you were talking about.

[open mind]

Such as...

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5054&news_iv_ctrl=1061

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

[Broken Parachute]

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5054&news_iv_ctrl=1061

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.It would certainly be tough to try and prove all of that though, no?

Man, it's going to be so awesome having a different President after the last 8 years, haha. I really can't remember the country pre-Bush.

I don't know what will be better though: not actually having Bush in the White House or not having to hear complaints about Bush being in the White House.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

it depends on when and where the lie is presented, and the motivation and the consequences of the lie.....in most instances simply lying isn't illegal though.

this was my point

it seems we're smoking the same thing

for the record, Bush can get thrown in jail for all i care. i'm just saying just misleading us isn't gonna be enough. if there is a case for prosecuting him, i'm sure it is more than that.

[crack n toast]

Bush is the worst president. If not of all time, then of our generation.
Prob Andrew Jackson.
even if he is my favorite president of all time. As a random fact about him his Hobbys were invading Florida and killing Indians.

[_jonas]

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[crack n toast]

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[Jesse00]

constitutionally speaking, definitely the worst president of all time.

[open mind]

It would certainly be tough to try and prove all of that though, no?

Man, it's going to be so awesome having a different President after the last 8 years, haha. I really can't remember the country pre-Bush.

I don't know what will be better though: not actually having Bush in the White House or not having to hear complaints about Bush being in the White House.

all of it? yes. hard to prove enough of that to obtain convictions on several of the charges presented? no.

[The Affliction]

Also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_e-mail_controversy