Another Zine Starts A Record Label

[Jason Tate]

PunkNews.org has started a record label, titled: PunkNewsRecords.

Submitted by Brian

[InaGreendase]

That new guy they brought on this year is such a douche bag. Glad he won't be touching this project.

[Jason Tate]

That new guy they brought on this year is such a douche bag. Glad he won't be touching this project.
Classic.

[Signals Corrupted]

so is there an absolutepunk records comming soon? haha

[brianthomas7]

No the only bands they would want, race the sun, this providence, and say anything are already signed.

[Jason Tate]

No the only bands they would want, race the sun, this providence, and say anything are already signed.
I don't listen to 2/3 of the bands you mentioned.

[Jason Tate]

And no, because I would rather make this website bigger and better then it is, and most record labels fail ... but I wish the best to the guys at PN and hope that we can be a part in helping promote their bands.

[SicTrnsitGloria]

Yep, this is why absolutepunk > punknews. And stop bitching about Jason. Without him there would be NO forum to do the bitching, and there would be no site, to have posts, to bitch about.


Oh...and yeah, i listen to what he tells me to listen to....not because im a zombie, but because its actually good. Just because everyone likes what he does doesnt mean he's a "sell-out", but it means that he has good taste.

-in my opinion-

[ForeverInADay]

Yep, this is why absolutepunk > punknews. And stop bitching about Jason. Without him there would be NO forum to do the bitching, and there would be no site, to have posts, to bitch about.


Oh...and yeah, i listen to what he tells me to listen to....not because im a zombie, but because its actually good. Just because everyone likes what he does doesnt mean he's a "sell-out", but it means that he has good taste.

-in my opinion-
Did you miss the "A" in SicTrnsitGloria on purpose or did it not fit?

[SicTrnsitGloria]

Did you miss the "A" in SicTrnsitGloria on purpose or did it not fit?
didnt fit.

[somebodypunchme]

I don't listen to 2/3 of the bands you mentioned.

absolutepunk records.. not jason tate records.. he meant bands that get mentioned a lot on this site

[KarateExplosion]

No the only bands they would want, race the sun, this providence, and say anything are already signed.
now's the part when half of the board gives jason a handjob with one hand while they type some anti-tate-hate jargon with the other.

all joking aside, i would make a decent bet that somerset will have something to do with this label.

[As Derrick Rust]

That new guy they brought on this year is such a douche bag. Glad he won't be touching this project.


yea i heard that loser put no motiv in his top ten. what a douche.

[no one special]

One only assumes you'll copy them, Jason. I mean, this week alone, you already stole their show listings and new release listings.

[Jason Tate]

One only assumes you'll copy them, Jason. I mean, this week alone, you already stole their show listings and new release listings.
Trustkillshows.com
and
PunkUpdates.com

Both feeds from a database.

[Go Ninja Go!]

all joking aside, i would make a decent bet that somerset will have something to do with this label.
And Somerset deserves it.

[no one special]

Trustkillshows.com
and
PunkUpdates.com

Both feeds from a database.

Right, you changed both after Punknews came to you and asked you to go to those sites directly, since you were leeching the two tables directly from them. And let's not forget about Punknews firewalling your site because you ignored them initially, causing your site to just plain not load [nice programming there, by the way].

And don't try to deny all of this, either. Anyone who was on here the other day saw that the entire new reviews section from Punknews was posted on your right-hand side! You obviously copied the code from us, but [typically] were sloppy.

It's a lot easier to fess up to your mistakes than to try and pretend they never happened. That's the first lesson you'll learn in a Public Relations class, thanks to one Mr. Ivy Lee.

[Jason Tate]

Right, you changed both after Punknews came to you and asked you to go to those sites directly, since you were leeching the two tables directly from them. And let's not forget about Punknews firewalling your site because you ignored them initially, causing your site to just plain not load [nice programming there, by the way].

And don't try to deny all of this, either. Anyone who was on here the other day saw that the entire new reviews section from Punknews was posted on your right-hand side! You obviously copied the code from us, but [typically] were sloppy.

It's a lot easier to fess up to your mistakes than to try and pretend they never happened. That's the first lesson you'll learn in a Public Relations class, thanks to one Mr. Ivy Lee.

First, site never didn't load, firewalling (as you say it), wouldn't have that effect on our website - especially if we were doing what you say we were (it would simply stop showing the feed, as it's a php include of another file with the parsing code) - second, the other day what happend was that our script just grabbed the wrong code from the database and apparently wasn't caching the file correctly. It was a coding/cache problem that Aubin and I worked out. You act as if this is something covert, or a "cover up" when it's never been any sort of secret that punknews and absolutepunk, and a lot of other websites, use the same release date website database - because, quite simply, it's the best.

And I find it even more comical that you now toss the "us" into your rant, but before pretended to be an "impartial" visitor with no affiliation to another website. Come on man, what's with this shit -- the owner of punknews.org is a nice guy, and someone I get along with on a professional level, why do so many of the little staff minions of that website have to have such a stick up their ass?

Second, the show feed was never ever, ever, taken from punknews because it's grabbed from: http://www.trustkill.com/webfeeds/trustkillshows.php that website, a very simple RSS feed that we parse and push out onto our main page.

Get your facts straight before you start blabbing dude .. and don't give me a lecture on public relations when you spend any part of your day on another person's website talking trash under the guise of a regular visitor. Scott, it's just lame and unprofessional - you'd think you would have better manners now that you work for the big boys over at Alternative Press (it must have eaten you inside to see PN come in 3rd in the readers poll). I figured we were done with this little hatred debacle - I've been over it for months and have continued to plug you, your website, your new company, and your new job. I simply ask that we let bygones be bygones and be professional and courtious in this crazy little online community we have. We can coexist and we can accomplish much more if we work towards similar goals ... I'm saying that I would love to help promote the bands I like on your new label ..

[Aaron Troy]

did you get the script working correctly on those soundscan numbers yet? i havent got any new ones since everyone is gone for Christmas but it would be nice to get some credit like Powered By: DecoyMusic.com

[Jason Tate]

did you get the script working correctly on those soundscan numbers yet? i havent got any new ones since everyone is gone for Christmas but it would be nice to get some credit like Powered By: DecoyMusic.com
it works. ..

www.absolutepunk.net/charts/

But it's not up cause there are no numbers, but your logo is on the page .. (when numbers are present).

Enjoying your new staff member :)

[WSUskee]

that link didnt show me a damn thing but I love this site anyway and Jason you are the best. What you do for bands is awesome and without this site a lot of bands wouldnt be where they are today. Most likely no one will be honest about this but how close are the number of hits between the 2 sites?

[Jason Tate]

that link didnt show me a damn thing but I love this site anyway and Jason you are the best. What you do for bands is awesome and without this site a lot of bands wouldnt be where they are today. Most likely no one will be honest about this but how close are the number of hits between the 2 sites?

This is the most reliable way to tell (and it's still probably off because of how Alexa tracks users), but its the best we can do ...

[Cocky Caucasion]

Jason Tate did a little owning there. no one special should be embarrassed.

[Jim Morgan]

Absolute Records might pwn all of them.

[Jim Morgan]

And Somerset deserves it.

if we are talking about the minnesota somerset, i think they will be involved in something much bigger and better

[no one special]

First, site never didn't load, firewalling (as you say it), wouldn't have that effect on our website - especially if we were doing what you say we were (it would simply stop showing the feed, as it's a php include of another file with the parsing code) - second, the other day what happend was that our script just grabbed the wrong code from the database and apparently wasn't caching the file correctly. It was a coding/cache problem that Aubin and I worked out. You act as if this is something covert, or a "cover up" when it's never been any sort of secret that punknews and absolutepunk, and a lot of other websites, use the same release date website database - because, quite simply, it's the best.

And I find it even more comical that you now toss the "us" into your rant, but before pretended to be an "impartial" visitor with no affiliation to another website. Come on man, what's with this shit -- the owner of punknews.org is a nice guy, and someone I get along with on a professional level, why do so many of the little staff minions of that website have to have such a stick up their ass?

Second, the show feed was never ever, ever, taken from punknews because it's grabbed from: http://www.trustkill.com/webfeeds/trustkillshows.php that website, a very simple RSS feed that we parse and push out onto our main page.

Get your facts straight before you start blabbing dude .. and don't give me a lecture on public relations when you spend any part of your day on another person's website talking trash under the guise of a regular visitor. Scott, it's just lame and unprofessional - you'd think you would have better manners now that you work for the big boys over at Alternative Press (it must have eaten you inside to see PN come in 3rd in the readers poll). I figured we were done with this little hatred debacle - I've been over it for months and have continued to plug you, your website, your new company, and your new job. I simply ask that we let bygones be bygones and be professional and courtious in this crazy little online community we have. We can coexist and we can accomplish much more if we work towards similar goals ... I'm saying that I would love to help promote the bands I like on your new label ..

This is all coming from the same person who took potshot after potshot towards me and my personal life last year, on a public forum by posting things like my livejournal or whatever as a news story! You are quite possibly the most immature person I've ever encountered, be it web or in person.

And don't give me this crap, like "It must've eaten you inside to come in third" - that's horseshit. You don't know me, and you don't know how I reacted to that, or if I did at all. I do my job well, and I am a professional at it. Don't you ever, ever question my ethics or integrity -- I have them, you don't.

It was a coding/cache problem that Aubin and I worked out.

Again, horseshit. The only "problem" was that we caught you leeching the feed from us because it was sucking up bandwidth [which we, you know, pay for]. It's not like you made a "mistake" or something; you purposely stole the code from us because it was the easiest thing for you to do. You have this amazing ability to deny everything, it's rather uncanny.

I've been over it for months and have continued to plug you, your website, your new company, and your new job. I simply ask that we let bygones be bygones and be professional and courtious in this crazy little online community we have.

News to me. Last I knew, you were still talking trash about us [and our good friends, Punkrocks.net, and who knows who else] on a somewhat regular basis. And plugging us? Hardly. I never saw one post on here about the tour that Punknews sponsored. And sure, you posted this little blurb about our label launch, but you didn't even bother to link us! Oh, I'm sure you just "forgot."

As for plugging Alternative Press? Gee, do you think that could be because I have a job that you would kill for? Don't try to play innocent here, Jason.

Be professional and courteous? This, from the same guy who insinuated that I was gay, and *then* insinuated that this was sort of bad thing. I'm not, it's not, and you're a douche for thinking so.

I'm saying that I would love to help promote the bands I like on your new label ..

This sounds like blackmail -- if I don't "play nice," we get blacklisted. Classy.

Look, arguing on the internet is pointless, as you'll always change what you say five minutes after you said it [I'm surprised you haven't banned this account yet, as you banned my old one, then lied about saying it was only a temporary ban, and that you reinstated it]. So say whatever you want to say, believe whatever you want to believe. If you have any inclination of continuing this, call me: 815-540-3911. I'll answer it any time, day or night.

[no one special]

that link didnt show me a damn thing but I love this site anyway and Jason you are the best. What you do for bands is awesome and without this site a lot of bands wouldnt be where they are today. Most likely no one will be honest about this but how close are the number of hits between the 2 sites?

Alexa tracks both sites very close to each other, but Alexa's not exactly scientific [it only tracks people who have installed the Alexa toolbar, of which there aren't that many, considering how many people are on the internet each day].

Last I knew, ap.net counts every single load on their front page as a hit, meaning every separate image that loads [main news script, each individual ad, etc] counts as one [so feasibly, every time you go to the main page, there's a half-dozen hits registered or something]. Punknews counts each visit as a hit, not each individual load on the frontpage.

Of course, ap.net may not work like this anymore. It's also possible that it does still; I'd have no real idea, it all depends on what Jason tells us.

[Jason Tate]

This is all coming from the same person who took potshot after potshot towards me and my personal life last year, on a public forum by posting things like my livejournal or whatever as a news story! You are quite possibly the most immature person I've ever encountered, be it web or in person.

And don't give me this crap, like "It must've eaten you inside to come in third" - that's horseshit. You don't know me, and you don't know how I reacted to that, or if I did at all. I do my job well, and I am a professional at it. Don't you ever, ever question my ethics or integrity -- I have them, you don't.



Again, horseshit. The only "problem" was that we caught you leeching the feed from us because it was sucking up bandwidth [which we, you know, pay for]. It's not like you made a "mistake" or something; you purposely stole the code from us because it was the easiest thing for you to do. You have this amazing ability to deny everything, it's rather uncanny.



News to me. Last I knew, you were still talking trash about us [and our good friends, Punkrocks.net, and who knows who else] on a somewhat regular basis. And plugging us? Hardly. I never saw one post on here about the tour that Punknews sponsored. And sure, you posted this little blurb about our label launch, but you didn't even bother to link us! Oh, I'm sure you just "forgot."

As for plugging Alternative Press? Gee, do you think that could be because I have a job that you would kill for? Don't try to play innocent here, Jason.

Be professional and courteous? This, from the same guy who insinuated that I was gay, and *then* insinuated that this was sort of bad thing. I'm not, it's not, and you're a douche for thinking so.



This sounds like blackmail -- if I don't "play nice," we get blacklisted. Classy.

Look, arguing on the internet is pointless, as you'll always change what you say five minutes after you said it [I'm surprised you haven't banned this account yet, as you banned my old one, then lied about saying it was only a temporary ban, and that you reinstated it]. So say whatever you want to say, believe whatever you want to believe. If you have any inclination of continuing this, call me: 815-540-3911. I'll answer it any time, day or night.

I'm sick of you're lies dude. At least not everyone at PN.org is like you ... and your "integrity" and "ethics" speak for themselves within the very lines you type. I won't even bother with your little "gay" thing again, because .. anyone at all that knows me knows how you lie when you say I would insinute that being gay is "bad" .. haha, really, it's irony at it's greatest.

Just for the record:

"Hi Jason,

Yes, the bandwidth issue is completely resolved, and I really appreciate how quickly you moved on that.

Thanks also for the support (and the posting) about the label. It's scary, but it sounds like it will at least be an interesting experience. I have no delusions of grandeur about this (or much else) but I'm excited about the opportunity.

Take care,

Aubin"

See, told you so.

[Go Ninja Go!]

if we are talking about the minnesota somerset, i think they will be involved in something much bigger and better

Well, we'll just have to see what happens then, won't we?

[no one special]

Hi Jason,

Yes, the bandwidth issue is completely resolved, and I really appreciate how quickly you moved on that.

Thanks also for the support (and the posting) about the label. It's scary, but it sounds like it will at least be an interesting experience. I have no delusions of grandeur about this (or much else) but I'm excited about the opportunity.

Take care,

Aubin

And the point of posting that was? I know you just emailed Aubin, he told me. That was his response. What is it supposed to prove?

[Jason Tate]

And the point of posting that was? I know you just emailed Aubin, he told me. That was his response. What is it supposed to prove?
Well, besides the obvious that your statement "And let's not forget about Punknews firewalling your site because you ignored them initially" is untrue. But also to show to our readers that they shouldn't judge your website based purely on your crazy ramblings. Because there are some people who work there that I respect a great deal.

PS. I don't want to work for Alt. Press, it's not my dream job. I like the magazine but I don't like working for anyone (period), that's why I started and run my own company. Your claims of "not knowing me" can be re-spat back to you. Apparently you can't get over this whole thing because we're not punk, we're not integrity filled, and some other weird reasons that caused you to start hating me to begin with ... but just know, I have no hard feelings towards you in any way shape or form and am being honest when I say I want to help. Take it as you want ...

[Jim Morgan]

absoultepunknewsdrama.org.net.com

jason thank you for all your hard work on this site, i read it many times a day and enjoy it

i dont know punknews.org enough to judge how good or bad it is.

[no one special]

Well, besides the obvious that your statement "And let's not forget about Punknews firewalling your site because you ignored them initially" is untrue. But also to show to our readers that they shouldn't judge your website based purely on your crazy ramblings. Because there are some people who work there that I respect a great deal.

You want to quote e-mails? Here we go:

Aubin Paul said:
> It looks like they're [referring to absolutepunk.net] scraping our 'upcoming releases' from the left
> sidebar. Any thoughts if we should do anything about it? I don't care
> that much except that they're not crediting us, and it looks like
> they're slamming the server with every load.
>
> (I checked the logs; if you reload absolutepunk.net, it hits us each
> time. I can ask them politely to cache the information on their end,
> or firewall them.)
>
> Aubin

Then there's this exchange, which you'll have to read backwards to fully understand:

Aubin Paul said:
> Well, I tried firewalling them, and it completely destroyed their
> site. Jason wrote the scraping code pretty badly, so rather than
> timing out, it just sits there until PHP runs out of memory and spews
> garbage on the screen. I removed the block as I'll give him until
> tomorrow at 9am and then it's permanent.
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 12:16:46PM -0500, Adam White wrote:
>> Ok be nice, I guess if you explain what it's doing to our server he
>> can't deny that.
>>
>> --
>> Adam
>>
>> On 29-Dec-04, at 11:58 AM, Aubin Paul wrote:
>>
>> >Right, though the code to make "this weeks releases" is mine... that's
>> >probably why he's sniffing us. I could
>> >
>> >(a) Firewall him
>> >(b) Throttle him to 100b/s so it takes a fifteen minutes to actually
>> >grab the HTML
>> >(c) Be nice.
>> >
>> >I'm going to be nice, but only once, any argument = firewall.
>> >
>> >Aubin
>> >
>> >Adam White @ Punknews wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well, it's Hein's content and it comes from PunkUpdates, so we can't
>> >>quite take all the credit for it. I say politely tell Tate that he's
>> >>slamming our server and ask him to either cache it or join
>> >>PunkUpdates' affiliate program thing.

Lastly, there was this:

Jason took care of the problem and everything was very civil. I'm
keeping a closer eye on our logs now, though because some people are
pretty abusive, especially people using RSS clients.


Aubin

There's others I'm missing, where it said you were unresponsive to numerous e-mails and such, but I think people can get the jist of what happened from those.

[Jason Tate]

You want to quote e-mails?

So, you at least admit that you lied about me being "unresponsive" ... that's good enough for me. Now can we stop being 6 years old please .. I've offered a truce and apology for my past actions more times then obviously necessary and it's gone un-responded so I respectfully ask you leave my website as it's causing me to expend more time on unwanted drama.

[no one special]

So, you at least admit that you lied about me being "unresponsive" ... that's good enough for me.

You were unresponsive. Aubin tried emailing you multiple times and never got a response. I also like how you ignore the other things that I pointed out to be true. You remind me of Karl Rove.

[Jason Tate]

You were unresponsive. Aubin tried emailing you multiple times and never got a response. I also like how you ignore the other things that I pointed out to be true. You remind me of Karl Rove.
I got ONE email from him, I responded saying I re-wrote some stuff and it should have fixed it, he emailed me back saying that what I did didn't work, I wrote back saying I tried again , he wrote back saying it worked. I could even go as far as to check my mail logs to see when the time stamps are, but it was within 10 hours the whole situation was resolved.

[no one special]

So, you at least admit that you lied about me being "unresponsive" ... that's good enough for me. Now can we stop being 6 years old please .. I've offered a truce and apology for my past actions more times then obviously necessary and it's gone un-responded so I respectfully ask you leave my website as it's causing me to expend more time on unwanted drama.

Hey, neat! You edited your post! Way to go, buddy! I think my favorite part of that is "I respectfully ask that you leave my website." Funny, since you're currently on Punknews, anonymously lying about all sorts of things.

And Jason, I already said - if you want to continue this, call me. 815-540-3911. Eight one five, five four zero, three nine one one. No one is making you reply on here. You cause your own drama.

[Jason Tate]

Hey, neat! You edited your post! Way to go, buddy! I think my favorite part of that is "I respectfully ask that you leave my website." Funny, since you're currently on Punknews, anonymously lying about all sorts of things.

And Jason, I already said - if you want to continue this, call me. 815-540-3911. Eight one five, five four zero, three nine one one. No one is making you reply on here. You cause your own drama.
I'm not on your nifty little website Scott. I stopped visiting a long time ago. Want my IP address to prove this?

And as I said, I don't even want to talk to you online, why would I want to talk to you via telephone?

And I respond, because, weird - it's my website. Your motivation for responding is something I have yet to discover.

If you're so adament about talking on the phone with me, call me - you have my number, aubin has my number, and alt. press has my number. It's a new year, you REALLY don't have anything else to be doing right now?

[ShutTheSoundOut]

Man, that was all so dramatic, if I ran one of these sites I dont think Id be able to sleep at night, I'd be all worked up and probably go insane because of drama. Either way, Tate your the man, aside from the drama, AP is a wonderful thing. Everyone knows AP isnt some punk site, its a scene site, its poppy, its a little random, we all know what it is. take it or leave it. ap rules, if you dont like it leave.

[no one special]

I'm not on your nifty little website Scott. I stopped visiting a long time ago. Want my IP address to prove this?

I already did prove it. From Punknews, circa a few minutes ago:

Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 0)
by Someone on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 12:56:11 AM (EST)
(IP: 4.5.27.161)
I hear basically every record label, and every company out there is trying to hire this kid [referring to Jason Tate] right now, so he must be doing something right! Fuck him though, that seems to be the cool thing to say around here. I bet he laughs all the way to infamy.

Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 1)
by maverick on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 1:52:32 AM (EST) (User Info)
http://scott.punknews.org
(IP: 68.226.71.84)
This IP originates from Beaverton, Oregon. Home area of Jason Tate.

-Scott

Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 0)
by Someone on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 2:00:44 AM (EST)
(IP: 4.5.27.161)
Weird, maybe I should stop by and say hi to him. I think he's from California though.

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Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 1)
by maverick on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 2:05:36 AM (EST) (User Info)
http://scott.punknews.org
(IP: 68.226.71.84)
Taken from Jason Tate's profile on absolutepunk.net:

Birthday:
March 18, 1983
Location:
Portland, OR
Occupation:
Webmaster / Founder of AP.net

Beaverton is a suburb of Portland, roughly 10 miles southwest.

Want to continue anonymously lying, Jason?

-Scott

Then you magically stopped replying.

And I respond, because, weird - it's my website. Your motivation for responding is something I have yet to discover.

"You ask me what's my motiviation? How 'bout your fucking head on a stick!" - The New Trust

[Jason Tate]

I already did prove it. From Punknews, circa a few minutes ago:

Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 0)
by Someone on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 12:56:11 AM (EST)
(IP: 4.5.27.161)
I hear basically every record label, and every company out there is trying to hire this kid [referring to Jason Tate] right now, so he must be doing something right! Fuck him though, that seems to be the cool thing to say around here. I bet he laughs all the way to infamy.

Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 1)
by maverick on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 1:52:32 AM (EST) (User Info)
http://scott.punknews.org
(IP: 68.226.71.84)
This IP originates from Beaverton, Oregon. Home area of Jason Tate.

-Scott

Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 0)
by Someone on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 2:00:44 AM (EST)
(IP: 4.5.27.161)
Weird, maybe I should stop by and say hi to him. I think he's from California though.

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Re: Happy New Year! (Score: 1)
by maverick on Sunday, January 2, 2005 at 2:05:36 AM (EST) (User Info)
http://scott.punknews.org
(IP: 68.226.71.84)
Taken from Jason Tate's profile on absolutepunk.net:

Birthday:
March 18, 1983
Location:
Portland, OR
Occupation:
Webmaster / Founder of AP.net

Beaverton is a suburb of Portland, roughly 10 miles southwest.

Want to continue anonymously lying, Jason?

-Scott

Then you magically stopped replying.



"You ask me what's my motiviation? How 'bout your fucking head on a stick!" - The New Trust

I'm actually from Durham, not Beaverton. In between Tigard and Tualatin, not even really remotely close to Beaverton. Pretty sure not even the same area code (I think they're 541), and not the same zip code - that's for sure. I like that you just called out some random Oregon visitor on your website though ... that's funny.

And seriously, you think you should be posting that you want me "head on a fucking stick" ... you are an Alternative Press employee, and you represent them Scott. I know of a few editors that visit this website on a regular basis, you sure you should be calling for my death? That's kinda sick dude.. seriously, it's disturbing.

[no one special]

I'm actually from Durham, not Beaverton. In between Tigard and Tualatin, not even really remotely close to Beaverton.

From Mapquest.com:
Start: Beaverton, OR

End: Durham, OR

Distance: 7.38 miles

Total Estimated Time: 11 minutes

Wow, nowhere near each other. That's like the other side of the state! Keep lying, it's fun proving you wrong.

[Jason Tate]

From Mapquest.com:
Start: Beaverton, OR

End: Durham, OR

Distance: 7.38 miles

Total Estimated Time: 11 minutes

Wow, nowhere near each other. That's like the other side of the state! Keep lying, it's fun proving you wrong.
Least you proved Beaverton != Durham.

And 7 miles, as what, the crow flies? Do you live here? Do you drive around and know how to get places from my house? My highschool was 15 minutes away and I consider that closer then Beaverton (which is probably why I went to Tualatin Highschool and not Beaverton HighSchool out in podunk who knows where).

I don't live in Beaverton, I don't go and talk on your website, and anyone that knows me and has been to my house (I'm waiting for Kelsey or Dave to read this) will laugh their asses off at your assertation that I do.

[Frank Giaramita]

Hmm, I honestly see no other motive as to why whatever-his-name-is is in this forum. It just screams immaturity and jealousy. I'm speaking as an outside observer and nothing more.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

Hmm, I honestly see no other motive as to why whatever-his-name-is is in this forum. It just screams immaturity and jealousy. I'm speaking as an outside observer and nothing more.

ditto

p.s. i thought i was the only one reading this, but i forgot you dont sleep.

[no one special]

Least you proved Beaverton != Durham.

And 7 miles, as what, the crow flies? Do you live here? Do you drive around and know how to get places from my house? My highschool was 15 minutes away and I consider that closer then Beaverton (which is probably why I went to Tualatin Highschool and not Beaverton HighSchool out in podunk who knows where).

I don't live in Beaverton, I don't go and talk on your website, and anyone that knows me and has been to my house (I'm waiting for Kelsey or Dave to read this) will laugh their asses off at your assertation that I do.

I'm not saying you do live in Beaverton. In fact, I've never said that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though. I'm saying that it's a suburb that's rather close to you, and it's not completely impossible to say that a company in that suburb provides your internet for you [hence, generating the IP address that is located in Beaverton, OR].

And you're right, I didn't specifically Mapquest your address before. So here are directions from the center of Beaverton, OR to your front door:

[i]Start: Beaverton, OR

End: 16685 Sw Cambridge Dr
Portland, OR
97224-7019

Distance: 7.70 miles

Total Estimated Time: 12 minutes

Wow, that made a huge difference.

[no one special]

Hmm, I honestly see no other motive as to why whatever-his-name-is is in this forum. It just screams immaturity and jealousy. I'm speaking as an outside observer and nothing more.

Hi Frank,

If you have an issue with the reason I'm in this forum, please feel free to call me and we can talk about it. My number is posted above. I don't believe I'm being too immature [no more than Jason is, at least], and I'm not even sure what I'd be jealous of.

[Jason Tate]

I'm not saying you do live in Beaverton. In fact, I've never said that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though. I'm saying that it's a suburb that's rather close to you, and it's not completely impossible to say that a company in that suburb provides your internet for you [hence, generating the IP address that is located in Beaverton, OR].

And you're right, I didn't specifically Mapquest your address before. So here are directions from the center of Beaverton, OR to your front door:

[i]Start: Beaverton, OR

End: 16685 Sw Cambridge Dr
Portland, OR
97224-7019

Distance: 7.70 miles

Total Estimated Time: 12 minutes

Wow, that made a huge difference.
"Beaverton is a suburb of Portland, roughly 10 miles southwest.

Want to continue anonymously lying, Jason?"

I think that everyone can see you were implying the poster from Beaverton was me, I'll let you continue to think that I'm over at PN chatting away ... but I'm not, and I'm not in Beaverton, and my internet doesn't come from Beaverton, and you're being really weird tonight. Start the new year out with a clear karma slate dude .. I mean, I was doing you a favor with a post, and trying to help you - and you come in here and do all this shit talking and just make yourself, your new company, and your co-workers look bad. I tried being nice, everyone can see that I have been respecting in this whole matter, at least do the same.

It's bad enough that you tell bands "don't let AP post about you" and talk trash about us to all the bands you meet ... cause bro, they call me later and tell me how unprofessional, low and slimy that is. So do you really need to continue this trend? I am saying to you: let's move on, let's be adults, I forgive you, and I am sorry. Accept my apology and let's promote some good music: together. Together we're better than apart.

[Kelsey Brusseau]

Hi Frank,

If you have an issue with the reason I'm in this forum, please feel free to call me and we can talk about it. My number is posted above. I don't believe I'm being too immature [no more than Jason is, at least], and I'm not even sure what I'd be jealous of.


first of all..... Jason lives NO WHERE near beaverton.

second... if your so intent on having people call you and so over all this then get off our site. we dont care and dont want to talk to you; you were the one that came here.

[Jason Tate]

first of all..... Jason lives NO WHERE near beaverton.

second... if your so intent on having people call you and so over all this then get off our site. we dont care and dont want to talk to you; you were the one that came here.
LOL, I was waiting for that. Told you I didn't live by beaverton, let alone would know how to fucking get there anyways. Haha...

[Signals Corrupted]

call me. 815-540-3911.

damn, i hope you dont get pranks. haha

[Go Ninja Go!]

LOL, I was waiting for that. Told you I didn't live by beaverton, let alone would know how to fucking get there anyways. Haha...

Yeah, LOL! You totally got him on that one.

[no one special]

LOL, I was waiting for that. Told you I didn't live by beaverton, let alone would know how to fucking get there anyways. Haha...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/CA9WU9TV.gif

[ShutTheSoundOut]

damn, i hope you dont get pranks. haha

im sure this will all be deleted when its all over. thats my guess anyways, so hopefully nobody that dumb is reading this. good call though, I can see that, homie.

edit: this is pretty crazy.

[brianthomas7]

No the only bands they would want, race the sun, this providence, and say anything are already signed.

I was just kidding, well kinda. But on a sidenote I totally forgot to add Cartel.

[no one special]

I think that everyone can see you were implying the poster from Beaverton was me, I'll let you continue to think that I'm over at PN chatting away ... but I'm not, and I'm not in Beaverton, and my internet doesn't come from Beaverton

Wrong. I wasn't implying you were the poster from Beaverton. I was stating that you were posting anonymously, and the reason I was able to deduce that is because the IP address from the posts originated from Beaverton, Oregon; a suburb of Portland less than ten miles from your doorstep. Where does your internet come from? You're so quick to say where it doesn't come from, I'd love to know where it does, and who provides it.

I was doing you a favor with a post, and trying to help you

Right. Trying to help, by saying "Most record labels fail anyway..." and not even linking us in the story. I'm sure that just slipped your mind. Something tells me your favorite word is "subversion."


It's bad enough that you tell bands "don't let AP post about you" and talk trash about us to all the bands you meet ... cause bro, they call me later and tell me how unprofessional, low and slimy that is.

1. I've never told a band "Don't let AP post about you." How would a band even have control of who posts about them or not?
2. I'd love to know which bands you're referring to, so I can address their concerns with them personally. Of course, I'm sure you'll say "I can't tell you that," but that's horseshit. You can't make an unsubstantiated claim like that without offering proof.

[Kelsey Brusseau]

dude... seriously, map quest sucks ass... it leads you to dead ends and shit. i've known jason and been good friends with him (ie go to his house) for 6 years. ive lived in oregon for 18 years, he lives like 40 min away from beaverton. he had the choice of 2 high schools, tualatin or tigard.... none of which are called "beaverton" last time i checked. give it up... it was someone else.

[Kelsey Brusseau]

and i KNOW jason is too lazy to change is IP address to look like he's someone else on a site.

[no one special]

Also, for the record, Frank took me up on my offer and called me earlier. We had a nice, cordial conversation, which I appreciated.

[Jason Tate]

..
At the very least, all Oregonians are laughing at you, at the most, everyone is laughing at you for using this weak ass argument about me being on your website as your "talking point." If your biggest peeve with me for plugging you is that I may or may not also be over at PN.org (which I'm not), whereby you actually ARE over here ... you have a weak stance.

As Frank explained to you:
It comes off as this, I plugged your label and the site you work for ...this pissed you off SO MUCH that you made a username, and bashed me over and over again: for pluggin you.

Sorry, but maybe you should include a clause in any contract with a band you sign saying they are not going to have any plugs on AP.net AT ALL because you deem it a capital offense.

[Frank Giaramita]

"1. I've never told a band "Don't let AP post about you." How would a band even have control of who posts about them or not?
2. I'd love to know which bands you're referring to, so I can address their concerns with them personally. Of course, I'm sure you'll say "I can't tell you that," but that's horseshit. You can't make an unsubstantiated claim like that without offering proof"

If you have AIM or AOL or any other messenger service IM me, I'll feel free to address this issue with you.

[Jason Tate]

Wrong. I wasn't implying you were the poster from Beaverton. I was stating that you were posting anonymously, and the reason I was able to deduce that is because the IP address from the posts originated from Beaverton, Oregon; a suburb of Portland less than ten miles from your doorstep. Where does your internet come from? You're so quick to say where it doesn't come from, I'd love to know where it does, and who provides it.



Right. Trying to help, by saying "Most record labels fail anyway..." and not even linking us in the story. I'm sure that just slipped your mind. Something tells me your favorite word is "subversion."




1. I've never told a band "Don't let AP post about you." How would a band even have control of who posts about them or not?
2. I'd love to know which bands you're referring to, so I can address their concerns with them personally. Of course, I'm sure you'll say "I can't tell you that," but that's horseshit. You can't make an unsubstantiated claim like that without offering proof.
Subversion? You are paranoid.

The comment about record labels failing was in response to someone asking if AP was going to start one, and I explained why I didn't see that in our future business plan. It has nothing to do with you, but as always - you assume everything is subversive and with alterior motives.

Second, we didn't link you because your news submission didn't contain a link and your record label, self admittedly, doesn't have a website to link!!!!

Still not responding to any peace offerings I see, well .. I guess the anger you have pent up against me continues to control you.

[Jason Tate]

1. I've never told a band "Don't let AP post about you." How would a band even have control of who posts about them or not?
2. I'd love to know which bands you're referring to, so I can address their concerns with them personally. Of course, I'm sure you'll say "I can't tell you that," but that's horseshit. You can't make an unsubstantiated claim like that without offering proof.

That's a lie, and you already admitted to Frank this very fact. But I'd discuss it with you over AIM as well if you want (I'm not going to betray a band's trust here in the forum however).

[no one special]

That's a lie, and you already admitted to Frank this very fact. But I'd discuss it with you over AIM as well if you want (I'm not going to betray a band's trust here in the forum however).

It was one of the dudes from Small Towns Burn A Little Slower. Whoopee. I was ranting to either Tommy or their drummer [whose name I can't remember, sorry] about how I don't like this site, but i still come here every day--I believe I referred to it as a car crash, in that you don't want to look, but you kinda have to.

Now, betraying the band's trust would be telling you what they said in response to my comments. So I won't do that.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

It was one of the dudes from Small Towns Burn A Little Slower. Whoopee. I was ranting to either Tommy or their drummer [whose name I can't remember, sorry] about how I don't like this site, but i still come here every day--I believe I referred to it as a car crash, in that you don't want to look, but you kinda have to.

Now, betraying the band's trust would be telling you what they said in response to my comments. So I won't do that.

so so tacky, just IM the man like he asked! gosh, did you have to say the bands name?!? tacky.

[Willy_Fister]

all im going to say is that tate totally won this argument.

this is a perfect example that some people just have nothing better to do than start shit.

[Jason Tate]

It was one of the dudes from Small Towns Burn A Little Slower. Whoopee. I was ranting to either Tommy or their drummer [whose name I can't remember, sorry] about how I don't like this site, but i still come here every day--I believe I referred to it as a car crash, in that you don't want to look, but you kinda have to.

Now, betraying the band's trust would be telling you what they said in response to my comments. So I won't do that.
It wasn't them I was referring to actually .. but hey, it's good too know when you say "I don't talk shit to bands about you," what you actually mean is "except .....".

Do you need a beer? Cause dude I'll paypal you 5 bux right now to go out and have a beer on me, you need it.

[no one special]

so so tacky, just IM the man like he asked! gosh, did you have to say the bands name?!? tacky.

What's tacky about it? The band weren't talking shit, I was.

To quote Vince Vaughn, "I'm the asshole."

[ShutTheSoundOut]

"Now, betraying the band's trust would be telling you what they said in response to my comments. So I won't do that"

that seems shady and tacky, and you just keeeeep posting crap. its so not worth it for you.

[no one special]

It wasn't them I was referring to actually .. but hey, it's good too know when you say "I don't talk shit to bands about you," what you actually mean. Any other lies we should uncover? Do you need a beer? Cause dude I'll paypal you 5 bux right now to go out and have a beer on me, you need it.


Slow down there, pilgrim. I'll totally admit to shittalking you to people. I don't like you. But I never ever told bands "don't let AP.net post about you," because that's just an absurdly silly comment that no one would ever say. And I'm not sure who else you would be referring to, since you said Frank told you, and Frank said it was Small Towns, which I said was correct.

[Jason Tate]

Slow down there, pilgrim. I'll totally admit to shittalking you to people. I don't like you. But I never ever told bands "don't let AP.net post about you," because that's just an absurdly silly comment that no one would ever say. And I'm not sure who else you would be referring to, since you said Frank told you, and Frank said it was Small Towns, which I said was correct.
I never said Frank was the sole reason behind my calling you out on that matter, I simply was using his case as an example because it was one to which you had already admitted you discussed your "distaste" for AP with. Then you IM Frank and list a bunch of people (in bands) who you shit talked us to ..

Why do you "dislike" me, John Wayne, sir? I never slept with your mother, I didn't run over your dog, and I didn't burn your house down. Hell, I know that I like to carry my intense hatred for websites and their operators into my every day social life, but this is bordering on clinical. While potential clients of yours are reading this, you continue on this tirade ... I am baffled.

[no one special]

I never said Frank was the sole reason behind my calling you out on that matter, I simply was using his case as an example because it was one to which you had already admitted you discussed your "distaste" for AP with. Then you IM Frank and list a bunch of people (in bands) who you shit talked us to ..

A bunch? I listed two.

Why do you "dislike" me, John Wayne, sir? I never slept with your mother, I didn't run over your dog, and I am pretty sure I didn't burn your house down. Hell, I know that I like to carry my intense hatred for websites and their operators into my every day social life, but this is bordering on clinical. While potential clients of yours are reading this, you continue on this tirade ... I am baffled.

Reasons why I don't like you.
1. You charge bands for news.
2. You steal/have stolen news from me, that I wrote personally, and when asked politely, wouldn't credit or cite us.
3. You fuck[ed] over record labels [Deny it all you want, but I have been told firsthand from someone who you screwed over, so I'll take their word over yours, thanks].
4. You think you're some kind of internet god.
5. Pop-up ads.
6. You somehow get decent people sucked into your web of douchebaggery [see: Roze Harding; also, this Frank guy seems rather nice].
7. You fired Jamison Kane for pointing out how you have no morals or integrity. If you're going to ban a band because of some stupid silly comments they made in interviews, at least stick to your guns and don't take a payoff from their label!
8. You think homosexuality is somehow wrong.
9. You threaten to sue any living thing that may look at you the wrong way.
10. You banned my old username because I disagreed with you.
11. You've done the same to many, many other people for the same reasons.
12. You pretty much ruined Brand New for me.
13. You like Rufio.
14. And a lot of other crappy bands.
15. You share the same name as the Weakerthans' drummer [although he spells his last name Tait]. This ruins the Weakerthans for me, too.
16. You think you're better than everyone else.
17. You never, ever, ever back your shittalking up [my phone still hasn't gotten a call from you, Jason].
18. If there's 18 points someone makes in a post, and 17 of them prove you wrong and 1 is kinda sketchy, you'll address the one, instead of the other 17.

I could go on forever, but let's start with this.

[marrost]

Cue: Tumbleweed.

[mewithoutyou]

A bunch? I listed two.



Reasons why I don't like you.
1. You charge bands for news.
2. You steal/have stolen news from me, that I wrote personally, and when asked politely, wouldn't credit or cite us.
3. You fuck[ed] over record labels [Deny it all you want, but I have been told firsthand from someone who you screwed over, so I'll take their word over yours, thanks].
4. You think you're some kind of internet god.
5. Pop-up ads.
6. You somehow get decent people sucked into your web of douchebaggery [see: Roze Harding; also, this Frank guy seems rather nice].
7. You fired Jamison Kane for pointing out how you have no morals or integrity. If you're going to ban a band because of some stupid silly comments they made in interviews, at least stick to your guns and don't take a payoff from their label!
8. You think homosexuality is somehow wrong.
9. You threaten to sue any living thing that may look at you the wrong way.
10. You banned my old username because I disagreed with you.
11. You've done the same to many, many other people for the same reasons.
12. You pretty much ruined Brand New for me.
13. You like Rufio.
14. And a lot of other crappy bands.
15. You share the same name as the Weakerthans' drummer [although he spells his last name Tait]. This ruins the Weakerthans for me, too.
16. You think you're better than everyone else.
17. You never, ever, ever back your shittalking up [my phone still hasn't gotten a call from you, Jason].
18. If there's 18 points someone makes in a post, and 17 of them prove you wrong and 1 is kinda sketchy, you'll address the one, instead of the other 17.

I could go on forever, but let's start with this.

That's a pretty hefty list. :dweeba4:

[Signals Corrupted]

A bunch? I listed two.



Reasons why I don't like you.
1. You charge bands for news.


im sorry, i just want to know if bands really get charged for news, or if its for banners?

[Jason Tate]

This is interesting:




Reasons why I don't like you.
1. You charge bands for news.


No we don't anyone can fill out our form and we post it, hell news about your new Record Label was posted .. if we would have made anyone pay for a news post - wouldn't it have been you?

2. You steal/have stolen news from me, that I wrote personally, and when asked politely, wouldn't credit or cite us.

I would assume you're refering to the moneen incident from 3 years ago. I responded politely and asked you why/how you knew you had posted the news first when the time stamp on our page was BEFORE the time stamp on your page. You couldn't answer and instead accused me of stealing it when it was readily apparent that I did not.

3. You fuck[ed] over record labels [Deny it all you want, but I have been told firsthand from someone who you screwed over, so I'll take their word over yours, thanks].

I think you're refering to Fueled By Ramen, who has already emailed you and cleared that matter up and told you not to continue spreading that defamatory statement. I have a very good relationship with all of the labels we work with, and pride myself on maintaining these relationships.

4. You think you're some kind of internet god..

Wow. I am laughing my ass off right now ... (with my red throne, gold sceptor, and lightning bolt charged finger tips)

5. Pop-up ads.

I asked why you dislike me, not the website. But I'll let you in on a little secret: Upgrade Windows to SP2.

6. You somehow get decent people sucked into your web of douchebaggery [see: Roze Harding; also, this Frank guy seems rather nice].

By definition you thereby say I am not decent, which is a matter of opinion. You've never even held a conversation with me Scott. I can't pull any sort of rationality out of this one.


7. You fired Jamison Kane for pointing out how you have no morals or integrity. If you're going to ban a band because of some stupid silly comments they made in interviews, at least stick to your guns and don't take a payoff from their label!

Not a single word of this statement is true.


8. You think homosexuality is somehow wrong.

Okay, I had tried to warn you about continuing this argument, but Scott, how do you know I'm not bi-sexual... or that more than one staff members are? It would then be quite interesting for me to actually think homosexuality is wrong, wouldn't it?

9. You threaten to sue any living thing that may look at you the wrong way.

Eh? Have I ever "threatend to sue" you? You look at me "the wrong way" and have never breathed a word of legal threats towards you. Don't believe everything you read on the internet bub.


10. You banned my old username because I disagreed with you.

I banned your old user name because you weren't following the forum rules.


11. You've done the same to many, many other people for the same reasons.

Actually, yes I have.


12. You pretty much ruined Brand New for me.

Sucks for you.


13. You like Rufio.

You dislike me because of the band's I like? Woah. That's intellegent, classy, and well thought out -- all at the same time.

14. And a lot of other crappy bands.

It's a good thing I have your phone number now, I'll remember to call you next time that I need to decide if it's okay whether or not I like a band.

15. You share the same name as the Weakerthans' drummer [although he spells his last name Tait]. This ruins the Weakerthans for me, too.

Second grade called, they want their mentality back. You had a band ruined because of a common name? Woah. Well, I told my friend I couldn't be friends with him anymore because his name was Scott, so there!


16. You think you're better than everyone else.

I don't know where you get this, from my "online attitude"?


17. You never, ever, ever back your shittalking up [my phone still hasn't gotten a call from you, Jason].

I wasn't shit talking ... I was apologizing and trying to make things right. As I said, I don't feel the need to trash talk a WEBSITE. And as I recall, you haven't called or IM'd me either Scott, this doesn't prove anything other then the fact that I am content with discussing this online until you wish to move venues (which I don't blame you ... you aren't looking so hot right now)


18. If there's 18 points someone makes in a post, and 17 of them prove you wrong and 1 is kinda sketchy, you'll address the one, instead of the other 17.

I addressed them all, just for you.

[Ferio Avanti]

Get a life.

It looks like there's some substance to this conflict and you two have had legitimate problems with each other in the past. But the point is exactly that. It was in the past. You've revived it for absolutely no reason. What's worse, you won't let it go.

The argument itself shouldn't even be taking place right now. You lose because you're the one who took time out of your life to create. Because you're here propagating it, you sacrifice any claim to piety or righteousness you had. You're just an instigater.

You should have stopped posting when Tate pointed out a valid reason for not linking you and making his rate-of-success comment.

You're still here, though, getting your ass handed to you because you've created an argument you can't win.

+Ferio+

[Jason Tate]

Cue: Tumbleweed.

That was hillarious.

:00000724:

[Signals Corrupted]

This is interesting:





No we don't anyone can fill out our form and we post it, hell news about your new Record Label was posted .. if we would have made anyone pay for a news post - wouldn't it have been you?



I would assume you're refering to the moneen incident from 3 years ago. I responded politely and asked you why/how you knew you had posted the news first when the time stamp on our page was BEFORE the time stamp on your page. You couldn't answer and instead accused me of stealing it when it was readily apparent that I did not.



I think you're refering to Fueled By Ramen, who has already emailed you and cleared that matter up and told you not to continue spreading that defamatory statement. I have a very good relationship with all of the labels we work with, and pride myself on maintaining these relationships.



Wow. I am laughing my ass off right now ... (with my red throne, gold sceptor, and lightning bolt charged finger tips)



I asked why you dislike me, not the website. But I'll let you in on a little secret: Upgrade Windows to SP2.



By definition you thereby say I am not decent, which is a matter of opinion. You've never even held a conversation with me Scott. I can't pull any sort of rationality out of this one.




Not a single word of this statement is true.




Okay, I had tried to warn you about continuing this argument, but Scott, how do you know I'm not bi-sexual... or that more than one staff members are? It would then be quite interesting for me to actually think homosexuality is wrong, wouldn't it?



Eh? Have I ever "threatend to sue" you? You look at me "the wrong way" and have never breathed a word of legal threats towards you. Don't believe everything you read on the internet bub.




I banned your old user name because you weren't following the forum rules.




Actually, yes I have.




Sucks for you.




You dislike me because of the band's I like? Woah. That's intellegent, classy, and well thought out -- all at the same time.



It's a good thing I have your phone number now, I'll remember to call you next time that I need to decide if it's okay whether or not I like a band.



Second grade called, they want their mentality back. You had a band ruined because of a common name? Woah. Well, I told my friend I couldn't be friends with him anymore because his name was Scott, so there!




I don't know where you get this, from my "online attitude"?




I wasn't shit talking ... I was apologizing and trying to make things right. As I said, I don't feel the need to trash talk a WEBSITE. And as I recall, you haven't called or IM'd me either Scott, this doesn't prove anything other then the fact that I am content with discussing this online until you wish to move venues (which I don't blame you ... you aren't looking so hot right now)




I addressed them all, just for you.


that was pretty badass.. haha

[ShutTheSoundOut]

that was pretty badass.. haha

i will agree. tate has owned this for like 3 hours. this makes me feel better about loving ap

[no one special]

i will agree. tate has owned this for like 3 hours. this makes me feel better about loving ap.

You live in a bizarro world.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

You live in a bizarro world.


uhhhhh, your the one who hates Brand New because of Jason Tate. Dont talk to me about "bizzaro" because you, sir, define "bizzaro".


p.s. you've been owned like 40 times tonight.

[no one special]

uhhhhh, your the one who hates Brand New because of Jason Tate. Dont talk to me about "bizzaro" because you, sir, define "bizzaro".

p.s. you've been owned like 40 times tonight.


You probably can't buy cigarettes or alcohol legally, can you?

[Ferio Avanti]

Do me a huge favor and go to sleep. I'm laughing so hard I can't keep my eyes closed and I have a lot to do tomorrow.

+Ferio+

[ShutTheSoundOut]

You probably can't buy cigarettes or alcohol legally, can you?

I'm 22. I dont smoke or drink, but you probably do and thats soooooooo rad. weirdy.

[no one special]

I'm 22. I dont smoke or drink. your weird.

You're, not your. Get a college degree.

[no one special]

I'm 22. I dont smoke or drink, but you probably do and thats soooooooo rad. weirdy.

Hey, you edited your post, too! Neat!

And I've never drank, smoked, or consumed illegal drugs in my life, thanks.

[Frank Giaramita]

punknews.org is calling the lone soldier back to his base.

"Come back Scott"..."Come back Scott"...

[Jason Tate]

You probably can't buy cigarettes or alcohol legally, can you?
You have to be 18 or 21 to have an opinion on anything (especially music), you must listen to the music Scott says is "cool", you must hate me, and finally must follow everything he says as gospel.....

And yet I am supposedly the one with a deity complex?

[ShutTheSoundOut]

You're, not your. Get a college degree.

hahaha. your such an "elite" board poster. I knew it would come down to things like spelling with you. I'm in College. Your washed up here, missy. take a nap.

[no one special]

You have to be 18 or 21 to have an opinion on anything (especially music), you must listen to the music Scott says is "cool", you must hate me, and finally must follow everything he says as gospel.....

And yet I am supposedly the one with a deity complex?

You're wicked retarded.

[Signals Corrupted]

You're wicked retarded.


i know you are but what am i? BAhAHA

[no one special]

hahaha. your such an "elite" board poster. I knew it would come down to things like spelling with you. I'm in College. Your washed up here, missy. take a nap.

It depresses me that you're in college, yet can't punctuate sentences correctly and can't tell the difference between your and you're.

Something tells me you're a business major, as all the business majors at my college were as lazy/stupid [take your pick] as that, too.

Maybe it's because I'm the son of an English teacher, but, fuck: People need to have a grasp on the English language before entering college.

Also, Scott Weber just spent the past half-hour talking to me, and it was very pleasant. Two down, a gazillion more staffers to go... I feel like I'm Michael Moore trying to score an interview with the head of GM or something.

[Jason Tate]

You're wicked retarded.
I believe the saying goes that the first sign of a losing argument is when you resort to attacking the person. Take my apology, send me some press releases about your label, and let's call this damn thing water under the bridge. I'll even let you like Brand New and the Weakerthans again.

EDIT: For your interview, I'll make it easy: all you have to do is click here (aim:goim?screenname=Twenty8FootFal l&message=Hi.).

[ShutTheSoundOut]

It depresses me that you're in college, yet can't punctuate sentences correctly and can't tell the difference between your and you're.

Something tells me you're a business major, as all the business majors at my college were as lazy/stupid [take your pick] as that, too.

Maybe it's because I'm the son of an English teacher, but, fuck: People need to have a grasp on the English language before entering college.

Also, Scott Weber just spent the past half-hour talking to me, and it was very pleasant. Two down, a gazillion more staffers to go... I feel like I'm Michael Moore trying to score an interview with the head of GM or something.

seriously, I dont give a shit about punctuation when im posting here, everything you said was lame and tired. you feel like michael moore because you look just like him. i just feel bad for you.

edit: just take tate up on being a nice guy and stop now.

[Signals Corrupted]

you feel like michael moore because you look just like him. i just feel bad for you.


lol, that was way harsh man.. you just went beyond any insult he could ever counter with.

[no one special]

seriously, I dont give a shit about punctuation when im posting here, everything you said was lame and tired. you feel like michael moore because you look just like him. i just feel bad for you.

edit: just take tate up on being a nice guy and stop now.

HOLY SHIT I'M FAT I HAD NO FUCKING IDEA YOU TOTALLY GOT ME REALLY GOOD.

[Ferio Avanti]

You're not supposed to capitalize the first word following a colon if it doesn't begin a new sentence, dumbshit. A colon doesn't function as a period or a quotation mark.

For fuck's sake, if you're going to post insulting someone's grammar, make your own admirable.

[Jason Tate]

What college is that? Community, ITTech, EUI, or Phoenix online?
Your signature just made my night .. honestly, it's beautiful. At least something came out of this ..

[jesuswasemo]

Well hell, I don't write for PN or AP but I do read both sites religiously. I am a band nerd.

I wish I could find this train wreck of a post amusing, but I can't.

I don't think that anybody won, in fact I'm pretty impressed by both sides' arguments. What I don't get is whether or not AP stole PN's news about shows. If they did, it seems pretty clear to me that Mr. Tate should just fess up and apologize. Another thing, why post from Scott's livejournal like its news? I am glad you stopped this practice... that's weak sauce homeboy. I don't think it's surprising that somebody from the org was pissed over the way this was handled. I mean, I'm used to seeing peppy headlines on this site, while as this headline had heavy condescending overtoans to it. "Another zine starts another label". I mean, damn dude, that's pretty cold! Especially if you did steal their shows!

Well, if anybody wants to hand my ass to me, you are welcome to do so. . . I am just some insomniac-stricken douchebag with nothing better to do.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

You're not supposed to capitalize the first word following a colon if it doesn't begin a new sentence, dumbshit. A colon doesn't function as a period or a quotation mark.

For fuck's sake, if you're going to post insulting someone's grammar, make your own admirable.

oh snap!

[no one special]

What college is that? Community, ITTech, EUI, or Phoenix online?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/degree01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/degree02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/degree03.jpg

[Ferio Avanti]

Nah, he'll just tell me I'm wrong and then link to some highly unreliable websource to prove it. He's done it about fifty times already, why should I escape it?

+Ferio+

[no one special]

You're not supposed to capitalize the first word following a colon if it doesn't begin a new sentence, dumbshit. A colon doesn't function as a period or a quotation mark.

For fuck's sake, if you're going to post insulting someone's grammar, make your own admirable.

What the fuck are you talking about? I assume you're referring to this:

Maybe it's because I'm the son of an English teacher, but, fuck: People need to have a grasp on the English language before entering college.

"People need to have a grasp on the English language before entering college" is a perfectly good sentence. It has a subject, a predicate, everything. What the hell are you talking about?

[Jason Tate]

Well hell, I don't write for PN or AP but I do read both sites religiously. I am a band nerd.

I wish I could find this train wreck of a post amusing, but I can't.

I don't think that anybody won, in fact I'm pretty impressed by both sides' arguments. What I don't get is whether or not AP stole PN's news about shows. If they did, it seems pretty clear to me that Mr. Tate should just fess up and apologize. Another thing, why post from Scott's livejournal like its news? I am glad you stopped this practice... that's weak sauce homeboy. I don't think it's surprising that somebody from the org was pissed over the way this was handled. I mean, I'm used to seeing peppy headlines on this site, while as this headline had heavy condescending overtoans to it. "Another zine starts another label". I mean, damn dude, that's pretty cold! Especially if you did steal their shows!

Well, if anybody wants to hand my ass to me, you are welcome to do so. . . I am just some insomniac-stricken douchebag with nothing better to do.
I have apologized like 50 times for the childish games I played in the past with Scott, I am actually sorry. However, he continues to run around this playground and fails to accept or acknowledge any sort of handshake.

The title wasn't meant to be condecending in any way, I posted the news almost exactly like it was submitted to me by Brian. But I'll go out and say I am sorry for the news title as well ...

[Signals Corrupted]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/degree01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/degree02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/scottheisel/degree03.jpg


*cough* photoshop *cough* haha.. nah im kidding.. those look nice, good job

[Ferio Avanti]

I'm going to borrow a line from someone who is a lot funnier than I am and say,

"CONGRATULATIONS. YOU'RE MEDIOCRE."

+Ferio+

[no one special]

*cough* photoshop *cough* haha.. nah im kidding.. those look nice, good job

Dude, if I photoshopped it, why would I keep my same crappy middle name? Lets be real.

[chad]

this is really ridiculous. i think one of you just needs to realize no one is going to win this argument. both of your sites are immensely popular and great at what they do. please just realize you are competitors and don't like each other and get over it. drama is one of the worst things in life and this is entirely avoidable if one of you just stops now.

[Signals Corrupted]

Dude, if I photoshopped it, why would I keep my same crappy middle name? Lets be real.

haha, i was kidding. but good point

[ShutTheSoundOut]

its 5:02 a.m. here in ohio. crap.

[no one special]

its 5:02 a.m. here in ohio. crap.

Where the fuck are you in this state? It's 5:23 in Cleveland.

[Scott Weber]

its 5:02 a.m. here in ohio. crap.
my heart is in ohio.











cut my wrists and black my eyes.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

Where the fuck are you in this state? It's 5:23 in Cleveland.

im an hour below you. and whatevs thats what my clock says.

[Ferio Avanti]

Before I gratify your post with a response, I feel inclined to point out that my job description here at AP does not include 'teaching marginal English skills to egoist liberal arts graduates who should have paid attention in class.'

With that said: you may have created a complete sentence, but you didn't resolve the previous one properly, Dickens. A colon is an anticipatory clause.

I even demonstrated correct use of the colon above, because I'm just that nice.

+Ferio+

[jesuswasemo]

Nah dude, don't apologize for it. I think the last person in the planet that wants you to apologize for it is Scott Heisel. I think it's pretty safe to say he's "laughing his way to infamy" right now.

The condescending title gave him a reason to come on here and confront you about the alledged (sp?) stealing of show listings.

It kind of reminds me of how Larry Flynt reacted after baiting Pat Robertson to sue him. . .
He said something along the lines of, "This whole thing was just a big publicity stunt, and you all fell for it."

To Ghostyouare:

Jesus turned the other cheek, he sounds like a guy who would apologize for bleeding on your shirt so to speak.

[Jason Tate]

Okay, now I'm pissed. My turn:

[no one special]

Before I gratify your post with a response, I feel inclined to point out that my job description here at AP does not include 'teaching marginal English skills to egoist liberal arts graduates who should have paid attention in class.'

With that said: you may have created a complete sentence, but you didn't resolve the previous one properly, Dickens. A colon is an anticipatory clause.

I even demonstrated correct use of the colon above, because I'm just that nice.

+Ferio+

You're right, a colon is an anticipatory clause. The sentence after "but, fuck" justified why I was using that exclamatory remark before the colon.

Don't go toe-to-toe with me in a grammar rodeo, broseph. I edit for a living.

[Frank Giaramita]

Haha, not to be a dick Scott, but you kind of look like a serial rapist.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

Haha, not to be a dick Scott, but you kind of look like a serial rapist.

my first real "lol" of the night.

[Jason Tate]

i edit for a living

Cool job!

I'm a clown for a living.

[Scott Weber]

Okay, now I'm pissed. My turn:
I'm seriously rofling at this, mainly because my middle name is Neill and Jason's is Neal.

[jesuswasemo]

Haha, not to be a dick Scott, but you kind of look like a serial rapist.


Thankfully we are blessed with Agent Giaramita of the FBI on these fine boards to profile people based on their pictures.

Nah brah, that's pretty lame. It's that kind of personal attack that just discredits your argument.

[Ferio Avanti]

Editing, huh? Congratulations. You ruin decent artwork for money. I salute you.

You're a presumptuous bitch for assuming you know balls from shaft where my living is concerned.

Your statement about exclamatory this-and-that is pure bullshit that originated far from an English textbook, but fairly close to your buttcrack.

Go to bed, bitch.

[no one special]

Haha, not to be a dick Scott, but you kind of look like a serial rapist.

Better to be a dick Scott than a dickfor.

[Take the bait take the bait take the bait take the bait...]

[Frank Giaramita]

Thankfully we are blessed with Agent Giaramita of the FBI on these fine boards to profile people based on their pictures.

Nah brah, that's pretty lame. It's that kind of personal attack that just discredits your argument.

You're probably just offended because Scott actually raped you.

[no one special]

Editing, huh? Congratulations. You ruin decent artwork for money. I salute you.

You're a presumptuous bitch for assuming you know balls from shaft where my living is concerned.

Your statement about exclamatory this-and-that is pure bullshit that originated far from an English textbook, but fairly close to your buttcrack.

Go to bed, bitch.

Presumptuous is a pretty big word for a two year-old. I think it's time for your diaper to be changed.

[no one special]

This couldn't have turned out any better.

Incorrect. I've yet to see any explosions or exposed breasts.

[jesuswasemo]

Oh shit, he said the p-word. I'd better get out of this one because I'm too tired to bust out the thesaurus on this shit.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

This couldn't have turned out any better.

Well, Scott could have shut up like 6 pages ago.

[Jason Tate]

Presumptuous is a pretty big word for a two year-old. I think it's time for your diaper to be changed.
That diploma means a whoooooooole lot when you follow it up with a post like this ... I'll give you my clown one if you actually IM me and accept the beer and apology I offered.

[jesuswasemo]

You're probably just offended because Scott actually raped you.

Yes. He did. Good one. Rape is pretty funny isn't it Frank? Gonna drop some homo jokes now?

[Ferio Avanti]

There's no point in changing my diaper, Scott. I'll just shit my pants laughing next time you post. Maybe I should wait until this whole thing is over to make the switch.

+Ferio+

[ShutTheSoundOut]

Yes. He did. Good one. Rape is pretty funny isn't it Frank? Gonna drop some homo jokes now?

Frank is raw (which is cool, its his thing) dont test him. haha.

[Frank Giaramita]

Yes. He did. Good one. Rape is pretty funny isn't it Frank? Gonna drop some homo jokes now?

Haha, If you're not using a broom stick as a computer chair, lots of things can be taken with a smile.

[jesuswasemo]

You represent this fine site Frank, and frankly I find your actions unprofessional. I will accept alcohol as an apology. How bout it Jason?

[no one special]

That diploma means a whoooooooole lot when you follow it up with a post like this ... I'll give you my clown one if you actually IM me and accept the beer and apology I offered.

Just keep going back and re-editing your earlier posts in this thread like you've been doing all night, Jason. Must be fun to constantly alter what you say as to not look so stupid to newcomers to the thread.

I'd love to stay and chat, but it's 6am here and I have to get my beauty rest. Toodles.

[Frank Giaramita]

You represent this fine site Frank, and frankly I find your actions unprofessional. I will accept alcohol as an apology. How bout it Jason?

Frank (5:44:01 AM): hahaha, i dont really think youlook like a rapist. I was just totally fucking around to create some more drama
Scott (5:44:12 AM): haha, knock yourself out, man.
Scott (5:44:18 AM): i'm just having fun now.

Shut the fuck and smile a little bit. Life isn't so bad.

[Signals Corrupted]

Just keep going back and re-editing your earlier posts in this thread like you've been doing all night, Jason. Must be fun to constantly alter what you say as to not look so stupid to newcomers to the thread.

I'd love to stay and chat, but it's 6am here and I have to get my beauty rest. Toodles.


beauty rest. this must mean hes going to have to hibernate

[ShutTheSoundOut]

Just keep going back and re-editing your earlier posts in this thread like you've been doing all night, Jason. Must be fun to constantly alter what you say as to not look so stupid to newcomers to the thread.

I'd love to stay and chat, but it's 6am here and I have to get my beauty rest. Toodles.

poor fella.

edit: Jason owned the whole thread.

[no one special]

beauty rest. this must mean hes going to have to hibernate

OH MY GOD I'M NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE EITHER THAT TOTALLY DEVASTATED ME YOU ARE SO HORRIBLE.

Man, it's like I spoonfeed you guys your insults. Pathetic.

[Ferio Avanti]

Alright, Scott, I didn't want to have to bring this up. I promised I would never tell anyone, but you're pushing it.

Remember back when you interviewed my band in September 2003? Remember how we had a chick filling in for us at keys? Yeah, you remember her. I know you do.

Remember all those unwanted sexual advances you made? How you wanted her to spend the night at your place because 'my bed sure beats sleeping in the van,'?

Well, now everyone else remembers them, too. Congratulations. Now people can see you for the slimey fuck you really are.

Sorry, man. You asked for it.

+Ferio+

[Signals Corrupted]

OH MY GOD I'M NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE EITHER THAT TOTALLY DEVASTATED ME YOU ARE SO HORRIBLE.

Man, it's like I spoonfeed you guys your insults. Pathetic.


i was kidding again buddy :) this was a fun thread

[ShutTheSoundOut]

OH MY GOD I'M NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE EITHER THAT TOTALLY DEVASTATED ME YOU ARE SO HORRIBLE.

Man, it's like I spoonfeed you guys your insults. Pathetic.

*note to self* Im glad Alt Press doesnt suck as bad as Scott.

[ShutTheSoundOut]

i was kidding again buddy :) this was a fun thread

it was fun stuff.

[no one special]

Alright, Scott, I didn't want to have to bring this up. I promised I would never tell anyone, but you're pushing it.

Remember back when you interviewed my band in September 2003? Remember how we had a chick filling in for us at keys? Yeah, you remember her. I know you do.

Remember all those unwanted sexual advances you made? How you wanted her to spend the night at your place because 'my bed sure beats sleeping in the van,'?

Well, now everyone else remembers them, too. Congratulations. Now people can see you for the slimey fuck you really are.

Sorry, man. You asked for it.

+Ferio+

Who and what in the fuck are you talking about?

[Signals Corrupted]

this is awesome. too bad this is happening so early in the year, it might be forgotten by december when everyones doing their "biggest controversies of '05" lists

[Scott Weber]

I think he was talking about scott weeber
it's pronounced WEBB-ER you asshat

[Jesse Luscious]

Lameness. That's what I'm reading here. Of course, I'm coming here for the first time, drawn over by the whole drama from Punknews.org.

1. Clearly Tate wants this to continue, because he keeps answering. Anyone who's spent more than 15 minutes in an on-line argument knows the easiest way to stop it is to walk away- ESPECIALLY when you're the person who runs the site. Heck, you can just edit it all later on.

2. That news story about PN's record label is spectacularly drab. If I were connected to them as a staff member I'd come over and bitch about it too. Are you suggesting you couldn't figure out a link for an outfit called "punknews.org"? THAT'S one of the funniest things I've seen in this whole thread.

3. Winning an argument on-line is like winning the Special Olympics- y'all know the rest. This one is still a draw, since Tate's admitting a lot of Scott's critiques are true, piece by piece. And his willful ignorance of the substance of some of Scott's points and concentration on irrelevant issues is classic Debate Club 101. It may win some points with people skimming a lot of this crap, but I'm someone who likes honesty and upfront answers, not "I don't live in Beaverfuck, OR" over and over again in response to a point that never suggested that you did. That's insulting our intelligence.

4. Decent grammar is really important, even on-line. I'm not perfect either, but at least I admit when my grammar is wrong OR I admit when my correction of someone's correction is wrong. Scott's right about the use of the colon.

5. Finally, Tate's gotten enough flak over the past months for a website to be set up at http://www.fuckabsolutepunk.net . Smoke doesn't always equal fire, but there's no www.fuckpunknews.org anywhere- if there is I'd be the first to visit!

Yours, Jesse Luscious

[Ferio Avanti]

You win the award for least necessary post of the night for:

1. Your arbitraty declaration of Scott as the winner in our grammatical argument.
2. Dissemination of useless, already available information.
3. Failure to approach the fact that he sexually harassed a friend of mine.
4. Numbering the points to your argument like a five year-old submitting a Christmas list.

You're a talking abortion. Go away.

+Ferio+

[no one special]

You win the award for least necessary post of the night for:

3. Failure to approach the fact that he sexually harassed a friend of mine.

+Ferio+

Again, I ask: Who and what in the fuck are you talking about?

[ShutTheSoundOut]

i think everyone went to bed.

[Signals Corrupted]

i think everyone went to bed.

i dont do that

[jesuswasemo]

Holy shit. This has all gone way too far.

I read/enjoy both AP.net and PN.org.

Can't we just all get along?

Let 2005 be for the children.

[mewithoutyou]

Shut the fuck and smile a little bit. Life isn't so bad.

Dang. Now that's what I should have said when they booked me for that hate crime.

[mewithoutyou]

Alright, Scott, I didn't want to have to bring this up. I promised I would never tell anyone, but you're pushing it.

Remember back when you interviewed my band in September 2003? Remember how we had a chick filling in for us at keys? Yeah, you remember her. I know you do.

Remember all those unwanted sexual advances you made? How you wanted her to spend the night at your place because 'my bed sure beats sleeping in the van,'?

Well, now everyone else remembers them, too. Congratulations. Now people can see you for the slimey fuck you really are.

Sorry, man. You asked for it.

+Ferio+

I need more character development. It's hard for me to care when I don't know what's there. Who was this girl, I don't mean who is she, I mean what is this girl trying to say? What are her motivations? How did they change as the story progressed? This just isn't doing it for me right now.

[Signals Corrupted]

I need more character development. It's hard for me to care when I don't know what's there. Who was this girl, I don't mean who is she, I mean what is this girl trying to say? What are her motivations? How did they change as the story progressed? This just isn't doing it for me right now.


i kinda just want to know if she was hot

[mewithoutyou]

Yes, yes she was.

She had a Marmaduke tattoo.

[mewithoutyou]

She worked at Hooter's for a while too.

[mewithoutyou]

Her waitress name was Temper (and the regulars knew why)

[mewithoutyou]

Don't worry Scott, now that I know the facts, I'd have hit on her too.

[mewithoutyou]

I don't know if you misread all my clues, but she's a he.

I follow you 100%. The relationship between her and Scott (short for Scottrina) is actually a sick, dual transexual love fiasco.

[em0_stars]

I follow you 100%. The relationship between her and Scott (short for Scottrina) is actually a sick, dual transexual love fiasco.

thats the only way to do it.

[oldwirehands]

Its 8:30am and I havn't gone to sleep at all. What an interesting new article. We need more like these. They grab my attention and keep me reading and reading.

[elucy26]

Jason threatened to sue the Ataris message board because they were making fun of him.

Boo Hoo Hoo

[elucy26]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/elucy26/wheeloftate.jpg

It's the Absolute Punk website daily planning spinning wheel!

Instructions: Spin the wheel. If the censored dick lands on an album, you must suck that band's cock incessantly throughout the day. If the dick lands on steal news, you must report news taken from another source and fail to give it proper credit. If the cock lands on name drop, you must name drop a super-mega-rock star and how you are associated with that individual.

[mewithoutyou]

Shouldn't you all be putting 'awesome' avatars and shitty lyrics from some poor song you all somehow like under all your posts.

By the by, three reasons why punknews.org is so much better than this site:
1. No edit buttons
2.Posts NEWS, not random notes from people. http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=55841 - http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=55830
3.Adam fucking White.


"WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CAR I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE ROAD" :love: :huh: :lol2: :headshake :wink3:

Sorry the fighting is over. While you were sleeping we sorted everything out. Mostly concerning the sick, dual transexual love fiasco.

[InaGreendase]

How many submissions were there for this news post at the time of posting?

[jmarellano]

Let me just say that someone over here back a few months ago stole a setlist that I made about a certain Green Day show and it was up in the news the next day. I knew it because the post was made WORD FOR WORD and included my spelling mistakes!

If there is one piece of credability, its to cite all sources on where you get the news or information, not just submit it. Think about it.

How bad does this this look (mind you these are fake made up articles):

"Thrice will be doing a secret show on 1/6 at the Chain reaction
Submitted by John"

"A Fight between Rufio and Copeland happened last night at their show in Boise. Supposedly it occured when.......
Submitted by Dawn"


Compared to this:

"There is rumor of a secret show by Thrice at the Chain Reaction on 1/6."
Source: thrice messageboard
Submitted by John

"A Fight between Rufio and Copeland happened last night at their show in Boise. Supposedly it occured when.......
Source: Statement by Rufio found at www..rufiomusic.com
Submitted by: Dawn

Its not hard to put where the source is from. If it is a rumor, then state "RUMOR" if its a source unknown, or do a little research before it goes up.

[the rog]

It's admirable that Jason admitted to leeching bandwidth off of other sites, but this is not the first, and will not be the last time.

Jason, if you REALLY want to win this argument, which obviously you REALLY do, here's what you should do:

1. Before setting up a "scraping" php script on your site, contact the site admin and ask if it's okay. Offer some sort of peace settlement, i.e. a banner below where the script writes to, if they don't reply, don't assume it's a "yes." If they say no, then honor their wishes.

2. Credit sources such as other message boards, other band sites, etc. etc. as the poster above just advised, this could be a good situation for both sides. Links lead to cross promotion and cross promotion leads to more people knowing about your site.

If these two suggestions were followed through (not just by you, but by your entire staff) then maybe people wouldn't get pissed at you [although obviously some people will, but the number will be considerably less.]

Thank you for your time.

Love dearest,
The Rog.

[jmarellano]

Thanks Rog for adding more to what I had stated.

[Ferio Avanti]

Wow, everyone who reads PN just woke up and decided to add their two cents.

The thread died hours ago. Go eat your Lucky Charms and masturbate in the shower.

+Ferio+

[Aaron Troy]

it works. ..

www.absolutepunk.net/charts/

But it's not up cause there are no numbers, but your logo is on the page .. (when numbers are present).

Enjoying your new staff member :)

hehe, i guess...just so everyone knows JohnnyL hired him. its cool to have him around though since I'm pretty much gone now gotta pick up some slack. also there was some heavy discussion on his news topic about me and whatnot, i have no love lost for u guys, im not trying to take your fanbase or whatever just trying to show a different side of things, still love ya'll.

[the rog]

Wow, everyone who reads PN just woke up and decided to add their two cents.

The thread died hours ago. Go eat your Lucky Charms and masturbate in the shower.

+Ferio+


Wow! That was constructive! Thanks for your input.

Obviously the thread hadn't died, or else you wouldn't have replied, no?

I made good suggestions that no one had made so far in the thread, you can either take them or not, I bet that Jason would view those as worthwhile.

Plus, I don't think I have ever read Punknews.org.

[Ferio Avanti]

Read the whole thread before you start replying. I spent an hour and a half arguing the proper use of colons here last night. I can be as asinine as I want to be.

Good point regarding the replies, though. Consider this thread boycotted.

I love you that much.

+Ferio+

[KirbyPuckett]

I can't believe I'm replying to this and NOT watching football (GO STEELERS!)

I was mentioned in this thread by someone and that's what really matters.

Anyways, here's what I have to say...

Jason, this tiff stemmed from you standing behind your biggest fault. Grab your Say Anything record and put on the last track, just for the first few seconds. Just as the lyrics "Admit It" fill the air waves, pause the song and pause your attitude.

All Scott asked of you was to admit to directly copying the code from Punknews.org. You can continue to deny it based on accidents in coding and the such, but the we saw our material on your website! That's pretty hard to sneak out of.

Many are shouting out and calling Scott the immature one in this online debate, but if Jason would have simply acknowledge and apologized right here to him, then this thread would not be this long.

Stop.

Jason before you go ranting about how you did solve the problem with Aubin, stop and breathe again.

You did not apologize to Scott -- right here in this thread infront of your fan club.

Instead you continued to miss the key points brought up and try to put the argument in a perspective that would favor you, one you could easily escape from. Until you were backed into another corner of course.

Will you ever show signs of professionalism?

You've got a good thing on your hands. Absolutepunk.net is great for the kids, however you behave just like a tiny little 15 year old kid and your immaturity will eventually stunt this website.

Not to mention the main pull of your website is music that was popular during the first half of this decade.

Pop-Punk is the music that has 'kept you breathing' and it is not nearly as popular as it once was. Sure you have your favorite bands like Yellowcard, the Used, Say Anything, etc. all doing really well, but it is by no means the latest fad in music anymore.

That sound is out, Metal is once again coming from the ashes and is prepping its next take over of the airwaves. Not to mention the surge in popularity of Indie rock again.

Music trends change and with those certain aspects that follow the scenes die as well. AP.net is the tabloid of music for little kids and shows little signs of prosperity in the future...especially when lead by such a bullheaded leader.

Punknews.org on the other hand spans away from simply a contemporary website and not only reflects on how rock 'n roll's past has shaped the present, but the contributors who have a much greater grasp of music than yourself can prep for the future and will leave PNdotO a much more successful website in future.

This all leads to how Punknews Records will be a success. Scott has an amazing talent when it comes to understanding music and knowing what people like to hear (Somerset, Zutons, Motion City Soundtrack, etc). Not only that but Aubin and Adam are two of the greatest partners he could ask for in operating a business. On top of that those three fine gentlemen know they have the likes of many other staff members, countless contributors, and the industry on their side.

The bottom line is, Jason, just fess up to your shortcomings. You might look like an asshole for a few minutes, but your users are young and will not hold too much of a grudge before they go back to polishing your shoes. Those few seconds of embarassment, will eventually grant you an uncalculated amount of respect....Unfortunately, you will never gain and ounce of that from me.

Now I've got to go wave my Terrible Towel, ta ta!

P.S. -- Even as this argument has reached an uneccesary 10+ pages Punknews.org STILL has not received a link!

[LindseyLikeWhoa]

P.S. -- Even as this argument has reached an uneccesary 10+ pages Punknews.org STILL has not received a link!

I honestly think people will be able to get to the website without the link.

Everyone brought up good points in this thread. Yay. Now maybe it should die.

[Jesse Luscious]

And how lame is the only staff reply to a polite, in-depth opinion on here by me is "you're a walking abortion"? That's SO "I just got my first internet account 3 days ago and I'm flaming everyone and being really shocking and provocative because I'll never meet the people I mouth off to". Yeesh, I hope other staffers here are a lot more functional.

The underlying points are still there, even after wading through the asinine bits about weight and alleged harassment (sorry, I'm not going to comment about a personal matter like that without knowing a LOT more about it).

1-2-3, Go!

[no one special]

And how lame is the only staff reply to a polite, in-depth opinion on here by me is "you're a walking abortion"? That's SO "I just got my first internet account 3 days ago and I'm flaming everyone and being really shocking and provocative because I'll never meet the people I mouth off to". Yeesh, I hope other staffers here are a lot more functional.

The underlying points are still there, even after wading through the asinine bits about weight and alleged harassment (sorry, I'm not going to comment about a personal matter like that without knowing a LOT more about it).

1-2-3, Go!


Dude, there is no alleged harassment. I have no idea who or what this guy is talking about. Notice he hasn't even said what band he's in. If you click here:
http://www.punknews.org/search.php?min=40&type=stories&category=1
You'll see all the archived Punknews.org interviews. That page alone stretches from March 2003 the end of October, 2003. The only interview that ran in September or October with my name on it was the chat transcript from the Hey Mercedes online chat. I conducted no other interviews at that time.

This Ferio douchebag is making the situation up, for whatever reason.

[charlesincharge]

A bunch? I listed two.



Reasons why I don't like you.
1. You charge bands for news.
2. You steal/have stolen news from me, that I wrote personally, and when asked politely, wouldn't credit or cite us.
3. You fuck[ed] over record labels [Deny it all you want, but I have been told firsthand from someone who you screwed over, so I'll take their word over yours, thanks].
4. You think you're some kind of internet god.
5. Pop-up ads.
6. You somehow get decent people sucked into your web of douchebaggery [see: Roze Harding; also, this Frank guy seems rather nice].
7. You fired Jamison Kane for pointing out how you have no morals or integrity. If you're going to ban a band because of some stupid silly comments they made in interviews, at least stick to your guns and don't take a payoff from their label!
8. You think homosexuality is somehow wrong.
9. You threaten to sue any living thing that may look at you the wrong way.
10. You banned my old username because I disagreed with you.
11. You've done the same to many, many other people for the same reasons.
12. You pretty much ruined Brand New for me.
13. You like Rufio.
14. And a lot of other crappy bands.
15. You share the same name as the Weakerthans' drummer [although he spells his last name Tait]. This ruins the Weakerthans for me, too.
16. You think you're better than everyone else.
17. You never, ever, ever back your shittalking up [my phone still hasn't gotten a call from you, Jason].
18. If there's 18 points someone makes in a post, and 17 of them prove you wrong and 1 is kinda sketchy, you'll address the one, instead of the other 17.

I could go on forever, but let's start with this.

hahahahhahahahaha

To say poor Tate was owned would be an understatement.

You did forget to mention how Tate threatened to sue the ataris message board after people were calling him a tool and continued to laugh at him after he threatened to never promote them again. He also stole an mp3 of so long astoria that was still linked to some kid's website and crashed his website.

Of course, he has denied this(much like everything else) but the moderators of that site are well aware of the truth and I believe those emails have been posted on the board before as many people who post there are aware of this. I'm not sure what happened to that kid after his bandwith was swiped from this site but I remember it happening as they linked a picture of poor old Tate to the stolen mp3.

And I do feel bad for some of the decent people who work here. I have a ton of respect for what Jamison did. I would've done the same as well and wouldn't want to have any contact with people who were covering up/not being truthful about the situation. Integrity is priceless.

[mewithoutyou]

Wow, everyone who reads PN just woke up and decided to add their two cents.

The thread died hours ago. Go eat your Lucky Charms and masturbate in the shower.

+Ferio+

Dang, I didn't know the Dice still did stand up.

[charlesincharge]

Dang, I didn't know the Dice still did stand up.

Hell, if Sinbad can why not Dice?

[Mickey]

Nothing harsher than raggin' on someone's code. Keep it above the belts, gentlemen.

[IcarusInFlames]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/elucy26/wheeloftate.jpg

It's the Absolute Punk website daily planning spinning wheel!

Instructions: Spin the wheel. If the censored dick lands on an album, you must suck that band's cock incessantly throughout the day. If the dick lands on steal news, you must report news taken from another source and fail to give it proper credit. If the cock lands on name drop, you must name drop a super-mega-rock star and how you are associated with that individual.


Ok, first of all, I dont care about this thread, the people in it, or their silly little drama at all.
However, your picture irritated me and I've come to the conclusion that you are a moron. Sadly, the time you spent using pre-formed shapes, copying and pasting, and using the "text" and "fill" tools" could have been much better spent with you attempting suicide. (I doubt you are intelligent enough to be successful. Please, keep trying).

You probably consider yourself funny and clever. That is hardly the case. Firstly, since your masterpiece couldn't stand on its own merits, you decided to throw in words like "dick" and "cock" multiple times. That sounds like a personal problem. Got something on your mind?

Secondly, the inclusion of the Say Anything album is completely unwarranted. Just because you fail to recognize the genius of Max Bemis and co. do not include them in your dreadful interpretation of how AbsolutePunk chooses its news postings.

Thirdly, you really need to reevaluate where your life is headed if you felt the need to go make that drawing and add the accompanying text. The simple fact that you did that (and are taking credit for it) is depressing (this is your cue to call me 'emo' and then bash me for it in your next reply). The only reason I am even taking the time to respond is to help prevent future occurences.

In summary, you are not funny, clever, or any other adjective with a positive connotation. You also have an obsession with vulgar synonyms for penis. If you don't like the way this site chooses news, why are you here? Are you trying to convince people to jump ship with you and go live in a land of MS Paint and shitty ideas? Also, Say Anything is better than your entire existence, and I hope their music never graces your ears again.

[elucy26]

Haha, who the fuck are you?

Calm down, sailor. Overreact much?

[elucy26]

Oh, and one more interesting facet of information that I may have failed to add to my previous post.

I'm glad that you have determined that I am not intelligent and that you are capable of telling me that I need to reevaluate my life. I'm also glad that the stupid little picture I posted got such a great reaction out of you. I would suggest that you calm down and not be so easily angered. Life is short; relax.

I too am also able to pretend like I am one of the most well-educated and intelligent people on these boards too. Does that mean our e-brains are the same size? I hope you can tell me. Maybe you would also care to reevaluate my life for me, since you are so able to do so.

[IcarusInFlames]

None of your business.

No, I didn't overreact. I'll say again I don't care about any of this, except that you brought Say Anything into it.

Edit:
Since you made another post, I'll pose a simple question.

When did I pretend to be one of the "most well-educated and intelligent people on these boards?" (How did you discern that I was trying to achieve such status?)

P.S. That was two questions. Good luck.

[IcarusInFlames]

Bet it took him less tim to make that than it took you to type that out.

Even if thats true, hopefully it prevents future occurences. God forbid he/she waste any more "tim" right?

You seem to know a lot about that, especially since you just joined because you are somehow affiliated with punknews.org yet want to post on the very message board you talk shit about. Isn't your own good enough? Or won't enough people see it?

[elucy26]

I thought you didn't care about this.

[The Bled 13]

When people internet fight, when internet zine's fight, both parties are fa.ggots. Who will be the bigger man and just shut the fuck up? Please be AP, please.

[The Bled 13]

Don't stoop to the shitty level of the other fucks. What are they ought to prove anyways? What are you trying to prove?

[IcarusInFlames]

You are right sir, but I do care to respond to people who counter what I originally posted about.

Edit: Uh, nevermind about what I previously had. You are right elucy, I'm going to stop coming closer to that drama. And for the record I really don't care about your drawing (or anything really), I was just fucking around.

[riotmute]

AP and PN are both excellent websites and sources for news. Both cater to different audiences, but for the most part are an enjoyable read on a daily basis. Although I have a problem with one of the people involved in this "fight?", I think that we can all agree that this has gotten out of hand. Scott, you work for one of the best magazines in the country doing what you love for a living. Jason, you have made this site the most popular punk resource on the web and you have many kids worshipping you. Why dont we just all listen to some good music (remember, thats what its all about, right?) and chill out

[the rog]

There's a big difference between "depression" and "emo."

[ebullientsoul]

Dear lord, both of you are mature adults, though neiether of you will say the same about the other.

Scott, You know what? It's a new year. Out with the old, in with the new. Accept his apology, take the $5 he offered in paypal, and pick up a used CD with the cash. Allow Jason's money to be used to have one more group be listened to, and one more artist's message get heard. I'm sure neither of you can argue with that.

Jason, you probably shouldn't have leeched punknews.org stuff a few years ago. It happened. Let bygones be bygones, and work with the newly spawned punknews.org records (Though I personally believe it should be Triumverate records, as per my suggestion) to cover their artists fairly and without bias.

We don't need more hate, ill-will and dischord in our scene. We need positivity, unity and a real commitment to working together.

So, in honor of the new year, why don't you two stop baiting each other and continue doing your websites and scenes proud?

To paraphrase the Gorilla Biscuits, start today.

By the way, I'm a punknews poster, but I love punk rock too much to see a gargantuan amount of energy being spent on animosity.

[The Marc]

Man, I'm pissed that I missed all of this!!

[IcarusInFlames]

There's a big difference between "depression" and "emo."

Sarcasm.

[Jason Tate]

I wake up, and apparently all the PN kids decided to come over and say hi. Thanks for the page views kids.

I see that you took the time to actually read everything, do some critical thinking, and still accuse me of "crimes" that are not only completely false, but simply asinine to begin with. Anyways this thread is dead and I'm closing it now - Scott and I talked 8 hours ago and settled everything, we're beyond this, so I would appreciate everyone else being as mature. If you don't like me, or my website, please don't come here and post.