Plain White T's - Big Bad World

[Chris Fallon]

Plain White T's - Big Bad World
Record Label: Hollywood Records/Fearless Records
Release Date: September 23, 2008

Big Bad Band. Big Bad Album. Greek: The Soundtrack. There are numerous names we could all choose to plaster on Plain White T's fourth full-length release, Big Bad World -- however, the most apparent one would be "awful". In the seemingly endless ocean of pop bands looking for high water, this Chicago quintet desperately wants to be the next Fall Out Boy (just ask clothing outlet Aeropostale), yet they come across as the group of wannabe kids who chase the bus long after it's taken off down the road.

Praying they can bank off last year's chart-topping success of "Hey There Delilah," the band continues their steep decline by writing some of the cheesiest, most gimmicky songs even Kidz Bop wouldn't consider covering -- it's simply not worth paying for the publishing rights. Is the band aware of their awkward transition from average - but tolerable - pop-rock to bubblegum pop? One can't be too sure, but with song titles like "Natural Disaster" (an awkward song about a groupie) and "Serious Mistake," it seems like the joke is on the listener ... right?

Tom Higgenson, the band's lead songwriter/vocalist, used to write big, fun hooks with a soulful voice backing him up - but he's turned into a laughable imitation of Pierre Bouvier (Simple Plan) with little to no range, writing songs that go from syrupy "aw-shucks" serenades ("That Girl") to obnoxiously trite with commercial intent ("Meet You in California"). "I could fill up a river / With all the tears falling off of my face," goes one especially bad line. Fred Rogers wrote better material than this, and his demographic was pre-school children. "I'm not a church-going man / But father, here's a confession" -- how many times have we heard that lame pun before? Oy vey.

"I Really Want You" tries to be some kind of Bob Dylan track (harmonica and all), but is oddly out-of-place; "Rainy Day" is an all-too-sappy ballad that is just a wet dog; "Sunlight," which is the band's stab at Brit-pop, is the best of the bunch here, but doesn't fit in -- probably because it was written by guitarist Tim Lopez. At times, the album is so sugary sweet, it's stale: it becomes layered on so thick, you can't even tell what's genuine and what's pop for pop's sake. The lyrics are cliche-ridden, the musical variety is non-existent ... is this really the same band responsible for the gloriously raw Stop? It simply cannot be (although it should be stated the band recorded this live, yet it's still overproduced).

The album's biggest flaw is not only supremely overwhelming blandness, but the extreme lack of focus: Higgenson & Co. are trying too many genres here, while keeping with their Disney-flavored pop and they fall flat on their faces. Higgenson has gleefully stated he wanted to make a "classic" pop album here, perhaps that's the issue, because it's just ten tracks of hodgepodge; the album sounds like it was written for a "Sesame Street" crowd (check out the "cautionary tale" title track and "1, 2, 3, 4" -- counting is no longer fun). The band has said they wrote this as an album for people "of all ages." Does it still count if no one of any age would find this garbage remotely appealing? Plain White T's is right. Maybe you guys ought to consider changing outfits.

Kidz Bop if it were worse; bland music that offers nothing of worth; ABC Family"Sunlight"

1. Big Bad World
2. Natural Disaster
3. Serious Mistake
4. Rainy Day
5. 1, 2, 3, 4
6. That Girl
7. Sunlight
8. I Really Want You
9. Meet You in California
10. SomedayTom Higgenson: vocals
Dave Tirio: guitar
Mike Retondo: bass
Tim Lopez: guitar
De'Mar Hamilton: drums

Official Site (http://www.plainwhitets.com) | Official Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/plainwhitets)Amazon MP3 (http://www.amazon.com/Big-Bad-World/dp/B001GDW6NY/ref=sr_f3_5?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1222052650&sr=103-5)

[WhoSaidThat?]

I take it you're not a fan.

I'm also not looking at Mr. Rogers the same way again. Thanks a whole lot, Chris.

Great review, in all seriousness.

[SanePsychotic]

"Greek: The Soundtrack"? :lol:

[Chris Fallon]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.

[Julia Conny]

Ouch. I like your truth, good sir.

[hockeyguitar99]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.

Took the words out of my mouth. Fabulous review chris, I haven't wasted my time listening to this, but I'm sure your spot on.

[Chris Fallon]

Ouch. I like your truth, good sir.
Hahaha :bow:

I hope I get an e-mail from Tom like Tony got from Pierre. Or maybe a song on the next record no one will hear.

[Heart-A-Tact]

Jesus christ. Lowest score I've seen in a while. Maybe ever.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Hahaha :bow:

I hope I get an e-mail from Tom like Tony got from Pierre. Or maybe a song on the next record no one will hear.
I'm still dumbfounded that he did that.

Again, "awesome" is a strong word, but I really, really, really don't have a problem with this review, dude.

/sorry, I had to say it.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Jesus christ. Lowest score I've seen in a while. Maybe ever.
http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=296220

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=221031

[Chris Fallon]

Jesus christ. Lowest score I've seen in a while. Maybe ever.
There's lower - Scott Weber gave ATWN a 21% ... I actually think mine is a bit high for what I'd personally give it.

I'm still dumbfounded that he did that.

Again, "awesome" is a strong word, but I really, really don't have a problem with this review, dude.

/sorry, I had to say it.
Haha I'll take it man - I'm glad you enjoy it

[SanePsychotic]

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=296220

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=221031

Holy shit, 11%?! Woah.

[Heart-A-Tact]

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=296220

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=221031

Oh. Shit. Never mind.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Oh. Shit. Never mind.
I remember in the comments for the I-Empire thread and the Simple Plan album thread someone would say "this has to be the lowest score I've seen on this site" and Drew would respond by providing a link to his grievously painful review.

[WhoSaidThat?]

he album sounds like it was written for a "Sesame Street" crowd (check out the "cautionary tale" title track and "1, 2, 3, 4" -- counting is no longer fun).

9fciD_II7NI

[Chris Fallon]

Hahahaha I'm glad you caught that

[Ryzenfall]

http://www.impawards.com/2008/posters/bangkok_dangerous_ver2.jpg

[DI Pistola]

Textbook example of a band that thinks they'd finally made it, on the back of a single.
Bullshit.

Stop was great. This is just sad.

[Here It Goes]

Haha perfect rating, this album was trash from the first song all the way through.

Slightly irrelevant, and I mentioned it in another thread, but have you ever seen a less cool-looking group of guys than the Plain White T's? That album cover looks like a movie poster for the gay version of The Outsiders from Denmark.

[cereal4life]

That's gotta hoit!

[Chris Fallon]

..pretty sure the album will be good
reviews usually suck
LOL

You're lucky you have a nice avatar... no, fuck it - you're an idiot.

[Stephen Chamberlain]

Interesting how all three of the albums posted here that received extremely low scores feature covers with a shot of the band members. What conclusion can one draw from this...

[Chris Fallon]

Interesting how all three of the albums posted here that received extremely low scores feature covers with a shot of the band members. What conclusion can one draw from this...
Weezer has done it right for the most part :shrug:

I hate albums with bands on the cover - it's lazy to me. If you want people to focus on the music, make it simple but not with some band shot.

[Paulb-182]

fair revue

although i do still listen to all that we needed sometimes

[Paulb-182]

Weezer has done it right for the most part :shrug:

I hate albums with bands on the cover - it's lazy to me. If you want people to focus on the music, make it simple but not with some band shot.

Take This To Your Grave has a picture of the band on the cover

and its a classic pop punk album

i do dislike albums with a picture of the band on the cover, its cheesy and something pop groups do. but it doesnt make or break it i think :)

[Chris Fallon]

Take This To Your Grave has a picture of the band on the cover

and its a classic pop punk album

i do dislike albums with a picture of the band on the cover, its cheesy and something pop groups do. but it doesnt make or break it i think :)
True - didn't think of that one at first.

For the most part though, it's a very boy band thing to do. Not in all cases - the Beatles are guilty of it - but generally, it's very lazy to me.

[Chris Fallon]

You're lucky you're "staff"... no, fuck you. the staff are cunts just like the rest of the idiots on here that quote everyone just to shoot em down with "wity" one liners
fuck that, you pieces of shit
How awfully big of you :rolleyes:

Feel free to hate on staff - however, if it weren't for us, you wouldn't be here. We do far more for you than you know, so chill the fuck out and stop your whining. Staff or not, I would call you out for being a whiny little dipshit. You don't like the reviews or the staff? Then peace the fuck out.

[Chris Fallon]

yeah, name call & act like you're oh so important
you attacked me first for simply stating my opinion
so you're the whiny lil bitch
You name called and acted like you were important, too jackass.

If your opinion was respectful, it'd be one thing. I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me - however, you said our reviews are worthless and proceeded to cut all staff members down.

Come back with something that doesn't make you sound like contradicting next time.

[Chris Fallon]

you called me an idiot first
i did no such thing to "act like i'm important" cuz i know i'm not
..and i did not say AP reviews are worthless
i said "reviews usually suck" meaning album reviews from magazines, internet, etc.
you're 25, do i really need to spell everything out for you?
Oh, I see what you're doing here. You're being condescending. Nice.

If reviews "usually suck," don't read them. I don't see any point in trying to start a fight about it - many people actually read these for a reason, sorry you don't see it the same way. This album is garbage - that's my word, and I'm sticking to it.

Now continue saying how big of cunts we staffers are. Please, I want to hear more.

[richie]

I enjoy some of the songs on it and have no problem with it. But yeah, I think they should try harderd...

[Praetor]

You're so cool.

[Paulb-182]

True - didn't think of that one at first.

For the most part though, it's a very boy band thing to do. Not in all cases - the Beatles are guilty of it - but generally, it's very lazy to me.

the beatles were the boy band of their times :-)

and i agree, i wouldnt have a picture of the band in any of the artwork if i was in a band, seems pointless, and im quite a looker haha :P

[dancox_]

What would your review look like if Delilah was on there?

[jerseysbest]

Even without hearing the album I'm pretty sure the review is spot on.

[Chris Fallon]

What would your review look like if Delilah was on there?
That would be a different album so it'd be a different review

[tait]

haha

[Heroin Robot]

ABC Family hahahah

[ThatGuy]

You're so cool.

if this is sarcasm...then it's the best post in a long time

[Chris Fallon]

Awww how sweet

[refgirl23]

If this were supposed to be the soundtrack for Greek I could find this somewhat excusable; their songs fit the show well for the teenage-drama trash that it is (and yes, i do watch it).

But, it isn't. I tried to listen, but I couldn't get through the first minute of the first 3 songs after Natural Disaster so I quit.

Overall good review.

[Anton Djamoos]

You're lucky you're "staff"... no, fuck you. the staff are cunts just like the rest of the idiots on here that quote everyone just to shoot em down with "wity" one liners
fuck that, you pieces of shit
And hateful comments toward people that you've never talked to before. Woo!

[fadedmemories]

Greek: The Soundtrack :-d

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

Awesome. Now I can laugh at the band, the review AND those actually offended by the score, being fans of the band. Brilliant, now I know who not to discuss music with. Thanks, Chris!

[mr chainsaw]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.

Their first cd is decent, though really hard to find. It's called Come On Over. I stumbled upon in a used record store in Chicago a month ago. Somebody is selling it for $500 on Ebay. I probably will sell it, but it is decent.

I have no desire to hear the new cd.

[tonighttonight0]

24%? epic fail

[sweetfootaction]

Oh, I see what you're doing here. You're being condescending. Nice.

If reviews "usually suck," don't read them. I don't see any point in trying to start a fight about it - many people actually read these for a reason, sorry you don't see it the same way. This album is garbage - that's my word, and I'm sticking to it.

Now continue saying how big of cunts we staffers are. Please, I want to hear more.He tries to start crap in every thread he posts in. It's quite sad.

Anyways, well-written review. Very fitting.

[roisterboy]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.

I second that. Every Second Counts is when it takes a turn for the worse.

[fadedmemories]

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=296220

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=221031
:-d

[Indoor Living]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.

I feel bad for you. Nobody should have to review this album.

[klawansie7]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.
agreed.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

haha great review

[acfrue]

This review wasnt harsh enough

[Alex DiVincenzo]

I really liked their first album, but they've steadily gone downhill since, and this is certainly a new low. Nice review though.

[Travis Parno]

damn, chris! bringing out the big guns! well played.

[goodnewsgeorge]

I feel bad for you. Nobody should have to review this album.

HAHAHA

[mallyland]

I love reviews like this. And clearly it isn't just a bias against the band since you state you liked their other releases. Good job, Chris. I wasn't going to pick this album up and now...well, I'm really not going to pick it up.

[hockeyguitar99]

Weezer has done it right for the most part :shrug:

I hate albums with bands on the cover - it's lazy to me. If you want people to focus on the music, make it simple but not with some band shot.

I think as PWT's progressively put more of themselves on the cover, the albums got worse. Stop didn't have any picture of them (on the front at least). ATWN had feet (which I'm assuming were theirs), Every Second Counts had pictures from the waist up, and now they have more, and it apparently sucks. But thats just my shitty, ignorant analysis.

[jaryd]

i lol'd through this whole review.

[Mercy Medical]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.
Agreed. I love their first two albums. I take them for what they are. The writing is not spectacular, but the fun, catchy music behind it makes up for that fact. I was putting in some hope for this album especially after Every Second Counts, yet another horrible failure, but it seems ever so apparent now that they want so badly to be in the spotlight and recreate the success they had with "Hey There Delilah." This album is just god fucking awful. I really thought they couldn't get any worse after their last album, but they seemed to have trumped themselves here.

[WhoSaidThat?]

:-d
Both of them are lightyears ahead of this album, imo. All Black notwithstanding.

[WhoSaidThat?]

the staff are continuing sources of inspiration.
Fixed, muhfucker!

[saysmydoctor]

Best Review ever fucking posted.

[smelltheglove]

"all that we needed" was brilliant, beatles-esque pop combined with jimmy eat world & FOB riffs & execution. I can't believe what a downhill slide they took from there.

Every Second Counts was mediocre at best and this looks to be just awful. The worst part is that unlike a band like "all time low" these dudes are not that young or young enough to be doing this type of cheese...I believe the lead singer is 29, yet they are clearly targeting the 13-19 demographic. painful.

[d00d81that]

hahah funny review :] but seriously, i cant believe they made such an awful album. what were they thinkin?
why cant they make an album like all that we needed?

[S9Dallasoz]

Too high.
:-d

[Rest_Easy]

yeah I dislike the band on the cover thing. Except Gaslight Anthem had it with the '59 sound and that album is in my top 3 for '08

of course an album should be like a book, not judged for its cover.

I listened to this record.... I'm sad now. Good review, fair.

[Mercy Medical]

..pretty sure the album will be good
reviews usually suck
I'm sorry...I am usually one who goes with the "music is subjective" defense and allows everyone to have their own opinion, but if you honestly think this is going to be good or thought their last album is good you might possibly have some of the worst taste in music on this website....

And it's almost offensive that you made that statement and have Anberlin as part of your username...

[WhoSaidThat?]

..pretty sure the album will be good
reviews usually suck
DANberlin, you see that fire extinguisher over there?

[CarouselBoy]

you called me an idiot first
i did no such thing to "act like i'm important" cuz i know i'm not
..and i did not say AP reviews are worthless
i said "reviews usually suck" meaning album reviews from magazines, internet, etc.
you're 25, do i really need to spell everything out for you?

whatever your stance you should know you just made a fool of yourself and sound like a complete idiot

that's a horrible score but I believe it

[Sikbeat37]

You're so wrong. Kidz Bop would totally cover something from this album. Those kids have no shame...

But yeah, fun read. Solid review.

[Jake's got woe]

Pierre wrote Tony a letter about his Simple Plan review?

Link?

[reissgoespunk]

Hahahaha!

[didntxmeanxtht]

lol. good review. i may save myself a few dollars.

[jakesavestheday]

This is some of the worst fucking music I have ever heard. I think 11% is high balling it. This band would fail a high school talent show audition with this crap. I hope they are embarrassed and ashamed of this record. They were bad to begin with but this is complete fucking trash. Good review.

[poppunknerd182]

"is this really the same band responsible for the gloriously raw Stop?"

actually, it's almost not, only Tom and Dave were around when they recorded Stop.

Steve Mast helped make the old T's....the old T's.

[Phil507]

"all that we needed" was brilliant, beatles-esque pop combined with jimmy eat world & FOB riffs & execution. I can't believe what a downhill slide they took from there.


Are you joking? That album was just as medio-core as the rest of these. Still featured the same tired juvenile lyrics and predictable song structures as all the others.

[grimis16]

i still can get plays out of stop and at the time it came out i like, all that we needed, but wow, i totally agree with this review.

[poppunknerd182]

Their first cd is decent, though really hard to find. It's called Come On Over. I stumbled upon in a used record store in Chicago a month ago. Somebody is selling it for $500 on Ebay. I probably will sell it, but it is decent.

I have no desire to hear the new cd.


I-88 is the best Plain White T's song....hands down.

I've been waiting to sell my copy, maybe I better do it now before they come back down from cloud 9.

that being said, they are some of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, but I won't complain if they get dropped by Hollywood and picked up by a smaller indie label again.

[robat19]

I saw them on TYWT tour and have hated them ever since.

[oldskool]

wow, seriously this album is just so bad. I feel bad for anyone who is fooled into thinking this band is hip or cutting edge. Wow, this is just horrible.

[joshy hizzle]

I liked 'Take Me Away' when I first heard it on the Warped compilation.
Three years later, I'd rather let Barbara Streisand toss my salad than listen to these guys.

[DandonTRJ]

Ahaha, I love how these threads always spiral out of control. Flamebait ftw.

In any case, spot-on review. This is what the word "generic" was created for. Formulaic song structures, 8th grade lyricism -- it really sounds like a bunch of kids got together in a garage somewhere with the goal of writing the most unoffensive album ever, and in the process destroyed whatever soul or depth it could have had. Can you have any kind of emotional reaction to these songs? No, they just wash over you and leave a bland aftertaste in your mouth. Even when the band is trying to be edgy, it's just confounding (see: Natural Disaster -- I still don't know what the hell that analogy is trying to get at).

The most you can say is that it's cute -- but the patronizing kind of cute. Like you'd want to ruffle their hair afterwards, because it's just so adorable how they're trying to be a real rock band. And it would be cute if you didn't have to remind yourself afterward that these guys are touring with Panic at the Disco and Dashboard Confessional. I honestly never thought Delilah would get them this far. And now I'm really, really sad it ever did.

Look at what we the public have spawned. :shudder:

[Momo32T]

I actually am a big fan of the show Greek. But the Plain White T's plug-ins really piss me off. They are a shitty shit band.

[AP_Punk]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/customavatars/avatar70413_35.gif

[Nick Le]

i liked there older stuff, but this is just horrible. this review speaks the truth.

[sargentlgfuad]

lmao.
at about everything.

[Julia Conny]

You're lucky you're "staff"... no, fuck you. the staff are cunts just like the rest of the idiots on here that quote everyone just to shoot em down with "wity" one liners
fuck that, you pieces of shit

*witty

[therookielot]

hahahahaa I can't wait til someone does william control's album.

[WhoSaidThat?]

yeah, keep kissing ass you fucking pussy. at least i speak the truth.
Yep. Pussy. That's me.

[stevoemo]

damn, would have loved for them to put out some more good music, and not this junk.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

yeah, keep kissing ass you fucking pussy. at least i speak the truth.

If you hate 'em so much, why are you even here? I don't get it. Seems kind of like self-mutilation or some sort of odd masochism.

[therookielot]

Yep. Pussy. That's me.

hey, you are what you eat

[BigWille24302]

Its obvious that you should just leave this site DANberlin. GTFO!


But on topic, good review. I actually somewhat enjoyed every second counts. It wasnt great by any means, but I enjoyed some songs. This is just...i dont even know what to say


EDIT: Oh yeah, And whats this about Pierre saying something to Tony about the review?

[WhoSaidThat?]

hey, you are what you eat
By that logic, you should eat a dick!

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

sometimes ya gotta put up with people you don't like to get news on your fave bands

You do know that you can check out the frontpage and virtually all the news posted on here without being a member? I did it for months. Maybe that's something for you? Otherwise I can recommend a whole bunch of other sites if you're interested.

[SteveD]

Never liked the band. Wont listen to this.

[Ouch]

this band is so bad it pains me.

nice review.

[handlikesecret]

pwnd.

[Chris Fallon]

yeah, keep kissing ass you fucking pussy. at least i speak the truth.
Only a true imbecile would call those who run a website he frequents "cunts" and continue to hang around. Perhaps you're just in the wrong on this one.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Only a true imbecile would call those who run a website he frequents "cunts" and continue to hang around. Perhaps you're just in the wrong on this one.
Gasp! Noooooo, that couldn't be!

[heyzombiehitler]

The cover scared me away from this album.

[bladerdude360]

i used to like plain white t's-their older stuff like stop was actually fun to listen to. i had an idea that they were going to take a very bad turn on this cd though...

[Handicapdhotdog]

sometimes ya gotta put up with people you don't like to get news on your fave bands
From the way you type and present yourself, i can't believe you're a 20 year old male. That being said, Through Being Cool=Band on the Cover thing. But still, an incredible album.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

so? stop fucking worrying about what i do. i'm not even flattered

I'm going to tell you nicely just one more time: you can check for news on your favourite bands on this very site without being a registered user, meaning that you don't have to put up with any users whatsoever. Or, I could give you the names of some alternative sites that do the same job, but a little worse, without the constant annoyance of the apparently cunt-filled staff here. Alright?

[mr chainsaw]

I'm sorry...I am usually one who goes with the "music is subjective" defense and allows everyone to have their own opinion, but if you honestly think this is going to be good or thought their last album is good you might possibly have some of the worst taste in music on this website....

And it's almost offensive that you made that statement and have Anberlin as part of your username...

Your username is an awesome Brandtson song. But you probably already know that.

[mr chainsaw]

Only a true imbecile would call those who run a website he frequents "cunts" and continue to hang around. Perhaps you're just in the wrong on this one.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/spinthecube/R1yVr0YOebI/AAAAAAAAAC8/BRUqgtMluh4/s288/respecknucklesma5.jpg

[Chris Fallon]

Mad props to all the people who get that this DANberlin guy is just mad because he found out how much of a dickwad he is.

[mr chainsaw]

I-88 is the best Plain White T's song....hands down.

I've been waiting to sell my copy, maybe I better do it now before they come back down from cloud 9.

that being said, they are some of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, but I won't complain if they get dropped by Hollywood and picked up by a smaller indie label again.

Same here. I just listed mine on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280270123947

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

It's weird that what sparked this is a crummy band like Plain White T's. I'd get it if he was a Fall Out Boy-fanboy and they got slaughtered in a review here but this band? Come on...

[Co and Ca]

This band has sucked from the begining. When I saw them live, they all looked like rejects from the Thriller video. Plus they sounded like a local band.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Mad props to all the people who get that this DANberlin guy is just mad because he found out how much of a dickwad he is.
Yeah, I figgered as much.

Say, in your honest opinion, would you say this < Simple Plan's latest?

[Chris Fallon]

Yeah, I figgered as much.

Say, in your honest opinion, would you say this < Simple Plan's latest?
I actually liked three songs on Simple Plan's album. I like one on this album. Hope Pierre doesn't mind forking over the "Worst Album of the Year" award to Tom Higgenson and friends.

[WhoSaidThat?]

I actually liked three songs on Simple Plan's album. I like one on this album. Hope Pierre doesn't mind forking over the "Worst Album of the Year" award to Tom Higgenson and friends.
Pierre should be okay with that. "Take My Hand" was my shit for some time. And BBW, well, geez...


For what it's worth, the only two things about your review I have to disagree with is Tom sounding like Pierre (I've often found the latter's vocals to be a little endearing, if nasal. On SNGA, he was almost like a French-Canadian Spongebob). Oh, and wouldn't a "foursome" have four members in their band (yeah, I'm one of those sad nitpicky guys) :-).

[WhoSaidThat?]

This band has sucked from the begining. When I saw them live, they all looked like rejects from the Thriller video. Plus they sounded like a local band.
When did you see them live? Were they opening for someone you actually did like?

[softhands]

I must agree, their time has passed..

[softhands]

I must agree, their time has passed..

[Shin Akuma]

stupid review!

[new_arbiter]

Well, the album provided a pretty funny thread. So it's got that.

[therookielot]

By that logic, you should eat a dick!

haha, i was joking. I used to say that to kids in 8th grade lol.

[AbeLurkin]

i kind of feel bad for them. a 24!?

[WhoSaidThat?]

haha, i was joking. I used to say that to kids in 8th grade lol.
Whoa. I apologize. Damn internet! M-(

[Chris Fallon]

Pierre should be okay with that. "Take My Hand" was my shit for some time. And BBW, well, geez...


For what it's worth, the only two things about your review I have to disagree with is Tom sounding like Pierre (I've often found the latter's vocals to be a little endearing, if nasal. On SNGA, he was almost like a French-Canadian Spongebob). Oh, and wouldn't a "foursome" have four members in their band (yeah, I'm one of those sad nitpicky guys) :-).
I meant more that he sounds like Pierre in the sense that he sounds unlike what he used to sound like. Notice how much Pierre's vocals changed over the course of time, as the band developed a strictly pop-based style? That's what I meant.

And I didn't even notice I put "foursome" in there - that's my bad for not noticing. Thanks for picking upon that!

[sodamnclever]

As much as I would love to say that was a harsh review, that is an actually extremely well written review. I'll give this album a listen every now and then--but it is definately on the bottom of the list for PWT's albums.

[WhoSaidThat?]

I meant more that he sounds like Pierre in the sense that he sounds unlike what he used to sound like. Notice how much Pierre's vocals changed over the course of time, as the band developed a strictly pop-based style? That's what I meant.

And I didn't even notice I put "foursome" in there - that's my bad for not noticing. Thanks for picking upon that!
Oh, that makes all the more sense.

Secondly, you're welcome. And I'm happy to help out.

[WhoSaidThat?]

^wKjxFJfcrcA

[Chris Fallon]

i know i'm not a "dickwad"
let it go already
you lost, move the fuck on.
I lost? Lost what? Hahaha

[Ryzenfall]

you can quote me. don't be scared.

I'm just scared that by quoting you, you might post again.

[Chris Fallon]

Everyone is against this tool... and he thinks he has the upper hand?

Anyway... sorry this douche had to get up in arms about a band no one obviously enjoys.

[Chris Fallon]

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7176/umad23xv.jpg

[fadedmemories]

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7176/umad23xv.jpg
:clap:

[rckstr29]

I was gunna at least check this out, but I guess nevermind.

[WhoSaidThat?]

:clap:
Oh, ok, but I don't get that for my Billy Madison vid? :-|

Nah, I'm cool.

[MusicTalks]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.

i had no desire to listen to this filth anyway, but with a review of an album this bad, it makes me want to listen. eh, i won't tho.

chris, you are the fucking man.

plain white t's, you baaaaaalow.

[fadedmemories]

Oh, ok, but I don't get that for my Billy Madison vid? :-|

Nah, I'm cool.
Here you go


:worship:

[smelltheglove]

Are you joking? That album was just as medio-core as the rest of these. Still featured the same tired juvenile lyrics and predictable song structures as all the others.

I didn't think the lyrics were quite as juvenile and while the song structures were predictable, this is pop punk dude, Jimmy Eat World and every other emo-pop/pop-punk band typically writes in the traditional verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus structure. I just thought their vocal melodies were a lot more interesting on that album and it was a bit less obvious that they were grasping for the brass ring of commercial success. on "every second counts" or whatever their last album was called, I thought songs like "friends don't let friend drunk dial" were far more juvenile than on "all that we needed" and songs like "making a memory" were obvious attempts to regain the commercial success "hey there delilah" brought them. When they wrote "all that we needed" they were an unknown band with something to prove, their last two albums were written by a well known band wanting to write that much needed second hit.

"all that we needed", "your only one", "last call" and "take me away" all had superior lyrics, vocal melodies and beatles-esque pop that they sorely lacked on their last album, which had much more FOB influence and less depth.

you can say they all suck, i'm just saying that "all that we needed" was a pretty solid album in my estimation, it didn't make my top 10 for 2005 or anything, but I still enjoyed it and listend to it quite a bit that Summer.

i feel the same way about TAI...I thought "almost here" was pretty brilliant, I thought "santi" was god awful and I assume their new one probably isn't any better.

[Chris Fallon]

i had no desire to listen to this filth anyway, but with a review of an album this bad, it makes me want to listen. eh, i won't tho.

chris, you are the fucking man.

plain white t's, you baaaaaalow.
:-d

:bow:

[tommy's ghost]

LOL yeah i could've seen them going down this crappy, poppy, generic road.

[Co and Ca]

When did you see them live? Were they opening for someone you actually did like?

I went for Boys Night Out. My friend is the type of guy who likes to watch all the bands. He was my ride so I was stuck up there haha.

[therookielot]

Gosh this thread has everything. I wish I could live inside of this thread for a couple weeks.

[EchoPark]

thank you blogs, you have saved me $20.00

[WhoSaidThat?]

I went for Boys Night Out. My friend is the type of guy who likes to watch all the bands. He was my ride so I was stuck up there haha.
Ouch. I got a friend exactly like that.

[Self-DefinedEgo]

Is it just me or does the Track Listing of this album tell you exactly everything Plain White T's are?

[WeArePilotsx2]

First and foremost, no offense dude. It's quite obvious you've spent a while writing this review. Hah, anyways.

Alright, before I start, Plain White T's is not Punk whatsoever. So what this band is doing on the review page, I don't know.

Before you're going to quote lyrics from a song, make sure that the lyrics are correct. It would really help your credibility.

I mean, have you even listened to the songs? 1,2,3,4 is nothing about counting. Yeah they can all count. How awesome. Listen to the lyrics, don't just read them.

Lastly, and I cannot stress this enough, pop music is popular music. This music is popular. Therefore it is pop. It seems as if I have to dumb everything down for you in order to write this.

[WhoSaidThat?]

First and foremost, no offense dude. It's quite obvious you've spent a while writing this review. Hah, anyways.

Alright, before I start, Plain White T's is not Punk whatsoever. So what this band is doing on the review page, I don't know.

Before you're going to quote lyrics from a song, make sure that the lyrics are correct. It would really help your credibility.

I mean, have you even listened to the songs? 1,2,3,4 is nothing about counting. Yeah they can all count. How awesome. Listen to the lyrics, don't just read them.

Lastly, and I cannot stress this enough, pop music is popular music. This music is popular. Therefore it is pop. It seems as if I have to dumb everything down for you in order to write this.
WeArePilotsx2, you see that fire extinguisher over there?

[Chris Fallon]

First and foremost, no offense dude. It's quite obvious you've spent a while writing this review. Hah, anyways.

Alright, before I start, Plain White T's is not Punk whatsoever. So what this band is doing on the review page, I don't know.

Before you're going to quote lyrics from a song, make sure that the lyrics are correct. It would really help your credibility.

I mean, have you even listened to the songs? 1,2,3,4 is nothing about counting. Yeah they can all count. How awesome. Listen to the lyrics, don't just read them.

Lastly, and I cannot stress this enough, pop music is popular music. This music is popular. Therefore it is pop. It seems as if I have to dumb everything down for you in order to write this.
:hitself:

[Joe DeAndrea]

:hitself:

Hahahaha, seconded. Hate this album.

[sargentlgfuad]

First and foremost, no offense dude. It's quite obvious you've spent a while writing this review. Hah, anyways.

Alright, before I start, Plain White T's is not Punk whatsoever. So what this band is doing on the review page, I don't know.

Before you're going to quote lyrics from a song, make sure that the lyrics are correct. It would really help your credibility.

I mean, have you even listened to the songs? 1,2,3,4 is nothing about counting. Yeah they can all count. How awesome. Listen to the lyrics, don't just read them.

Lastly, and I cannot stress this enough, pop music is popular music. This music is popular. Therefore it is pop. It seems as if I have to dumb everything down for you in order to write this.

only one post.
and you already ruined it.
tisk tisk.

[c_rob2700]

Oh, I see what you're doing here. You're being condescending. Nice.

If reviews "usually suck," don't read them. I don't see any point in trying to start a fight about it - many people actually read these for a reason, sorry you don't see it the same way. This album is garbage - that's my word, and I'm sticking to it.

Now continue saying how big of cunts we staffers are. Please, I want to hear more.
ok, fighting on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, it doesn't matter who wins, you both are retarded in the end.


i like the review though, i agree with it.
and i'm fairly new to the site and i love that the staff members actually talk to us.

and DANberlin, if your name is going to support a Christian band, then your putting the responsibility of acting mature on yourself

[cscwell107]

Great review.
Terrible album.

and DANberlin, you suck!:yellowcard: :redsiren:

[WhoSaidThat?]

Great review.
Terrible album.

and DANberlin, you suck!:yellowcard: :redsiren:
Too true.

[Aileen]

:hitself:

You can facepalm all you want, but WeArePilotsx2 does make 3 valid points:

Plain White T's is not punk
You misquoted the lyrics in your review
Pop music is popular

That's it.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

You can facepalm all you want, but WeArePilotsx2 does make 3 valid points:

Plain White T's is not punk
You misquoted the lyrics in your review
Pop music is popular

That's it.

Then again, it's no big surprise that a fan of the band and someone who has sold merchandise for them try to defend them.

Also, I'm willing to bet that around 90% of the reviews on this site are not even remotely affiliated with punk, and that saying something like "pop music is popular", assuming that it's popular just for being pop, is about as smart as saying that all metal bands are devil worshipers.

[FueledByJosh08]

I listened to the chorus for Natural Disaster and that's all I needed to hear to convince me not to buy this album...

[Aileen]

Then again, it's no big surprise that a fan of the band and someone who has sold merchandise for them try to defend them.

Also, I'm willing to bet that around 90% of the reviews on this site are not even remotely affiliated with punk, and that saying something like "pop music is popular", assuming that it's popular just for being pop, is about as smart as saying that all metal bands are devil worshipers.

Nope, wasn't defending the band. I was re-stating the 3 points made by WeArePilotsx2 so effectively, I was defending that person's logic. I've given up trying to defend my employers on this site, in fact I don't even know why ap.net bothers to post about them at all.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

Nope, wasn't defending the band. I was re-stating the 3 points made by WeArePilotsx2 so effectively, I was defending that person's logic. I've given up trying to defend my employers on this site, in fact I don't even know why ap.net bothers to post about them at all.

And I replied by proving that at least two of those posts were completely irrelevant and even quite wrong.

I don't know either, but I don't really like 'em anyway so...

[xtheaudition]

nice review, and might i say...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Pooky1101/owned/ownedcat.jpg

[Chris Fallon]

You can facepalm all you want, but WeArePilotsx2 does make 3 valid points:

Plain White T's is not punk
You misquoted the lyrics in your review
Pop music is popular

That's it.
1. Never said the band was punk. Don't know where you got that from.

2. The lyric is not misquoted - I have lyric sheets to prove that.

3. Pop music is popular ... okay, and ice is cold, fire is hot, etc. What does that prove? Popular music can lack hooks, intelligence, creativity, etc. I don't see how you can argue an opinion.

[birtcho]

i had a feeling it would be as bad as 24%. even 12%

[smacystacy763]

haha, I'm glad the score was so low.

[JTMcKrackles]

XD this whole DANberlin troll is hilariously bad, even for a troll.
Anyways, really great review Chris. Fuck PWT.

[Nikkixface]

i have no idea what i'm going to do during their set on the Rock Band Live tour.
this cd was so terrible. i tried to give it the benefit of the doubt. it totally didn't work.

[duhpunk]

RIYL: Kidz Bop if it were worse; bland music that offers nothing of worth; ABC Family


hahahahahaha. that's awesome.
I too liked Stop and ATWN at first. But the style is out of style. They need to do something original and not corny for a change.

[Chancetobe]

I like ABC Family. Do not like this album. Your RIYL section is wrong. haha.

[chadsweet]

i lold a few times

[westsidas2000]

I find it hilarious how much you guys hate this band and rightfully so. Your next album review for these guys should just say "fail". Haha these reviews are almost like maddox rants. Keep up the good work.

[CarryOn09]

bahahaahahaha good review.

[Nerdy91]

really nice that Tom whatever his last name is called you a 15 year old
awesome review
:thumbup:

[sidewacker]

This is the best review I have ever read. Thank you for writing this, it made my day. This honestly is one of the worst bands I have ever heard.

[gusta0117]

i just saw them open for panic the other day.
they werent too bad.

the new CD has more downs than ups, alot more downs, but its an easy listen.
i wouldnt slam it down to an 11%
35-40 sounds better. which is still low.

[xNyssa]

Okay everybody's gonna hate me but..

I like the Plain White T's ;p. I have not heard their new album yet, but I like their old albums. Plus they're really nice (i met them at Lowlands). So so... stop being so mean! ;p

I mean jesus a 2.4? It can't be THAT bad...

[Undue Noise]

I liked Stop and All That We Needed, but they took a swift nosedive.
I agree and it was one helluva nose dive.

[hockeyguitar99]

Okay everybody's gonna hate me but..

I like the Plain White T's ;p. I have not heard their new album yet, but I like their old albums. Plus they're really nice (i met them at Lowlands). So so... stop being so mean! ;p

I mean jesus a 2.4? It can't be THAT bad...

Oh but it is. And it doesn't matter if their nice or not, they can still make shitty music. Kieren from Sing It Loud is one of the nicest band members I've talked to, and they made one of the shittiest albums of the year.

[c_rob2700]

"that fucker, he shat on you"

[gusta0117]

tracks 1,2,5, and 6 are good catchy quality pop songs.