We are so fucked

[A Love American]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080917-polar-ice-loss-heralds-a-change-in-the-weather.html

[Jason Tate]

Where are the climate change deniers?

[Machu505]

Where are the climate change deniers?

In before the idiots.

[anthony051]

I remember when we watched "An Inconvienient Truth" in my freshman Science class and the teacher got up in front of everyone and essentially said that she does not agree with anything that was said in the video.

I also remember calling her an idiot and getting an in school suspension.

The fact stands that we truly are fucked when it comes to the climate. It's beyond the point of fixing at this juncture, the only thing we can truly hope for is that we as human beings can put aside our petty differences and work together to find a way to adapt.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

I remember when we watched "An Inconvienient Truth" in my freshman Science class and the teacher got up in front of everyone and essentially said that she does not agree with anything that was said in the video.

I also remember calling her an idiot and getting an in school suspension.

The fact stands that we truly are fucked when it comes to the climate. It's beyond the point of fixing at this juncture, the only thing we can truly hope for is that we as human beings can put aside our petty differences and work together to find a way to adapt.


Won't happen until things start to get really out of hand in another couple decades.

[showbiz]

Won't happen until things start to get really out of hand in another couple decades.

agreed...Not gonna happen, the world has gone down the shitter...

anal anyone?

[modlife]

:zip:

[Cupcake Riot!]

Wow... we are screwed LOL But there really isn't anything we could do but find a way around it and be more resourceful I guess.

[EchoPark]

Where are the climate change deniers?


:wave:

That article is a load of tripe.

Keep mongering the fear and riding the green bandwagon. Al Gore has you right where he wants you

[anthony051]

Won't happen until things start to get really out of hand in another couple decades.

I don't think we have another couple decades dude... I mean the ice isn't going to exist in another couple decades, and it's not like we can put it back once it's gone. We need to start figuring out what the fuck we are going to do right now.

[berskyjr]

the planet has been changing for billions of years, with or without us. your not gonna stop anything so get over it and shut the fuck up.

[lew_1987]

the planet has been changing for billions of years, with or without us. your not gonna stop anything so get over it and shut the fuck up.

Not an excuse to rape the planet.

[anthony051]

I mean, I'm not denying that planet has been changing but you cannot deny the drastic change for the worst this planet has taken since the Industrial Revolution. It's complete Lunacy to not acknowledge that undeniable truth.

[berskyjr]

Not an excuse to rape the planet.
your right. but i like to live in comfort. and the planet hurts itself more then we could ever hurt it. and things are being done to fix the raping.

[lew_1987]

your right. but i like to live in comfort. and the planet hurts itself more then we could ever hurt it. and things are being done to fix the raping.

We are a part of this planet.

Who doesn't like to live in comfort? Everyone's idea of comfort is different; it's about compromise.

[ActionActionFan]

Like someone said above the planet naturally changes. Therefore we really can't do anything about it. So stop complaining about it.

[lew_1987]

Like someone said above the planet naturally changes. Therefore we really can't do anything about it. So stop complaining about it.

People naturally die... does this mean we should stop convicting murderers, stop treating terminally ill patients, stop giving aid to third world countries, and stop funeral services? After all, shit happens. 'Stop complaining about it'.

[ActionActionFan]

People naturally die... does this mean we should stop convicting murderers, stop treating terminally ill patients, stop giving aid to third world countries, and stop funeral services? After all, shit happens. 'Stop complaining about it'.

Those are completely different. The earth changing is natural and there is no way to change it. Murderers are not natural. And the others we can control so we should try to help. All I am saying is that people putting solar panels on their house and using less gas in not going to effect the environment.

[Adeniz19]

Those are completely different. The earth changing is natural and there is no way to change it. Murderers are not natural. And the others we can control so we should try to help. All I am saying is that people putting solar panels on their house and using less gas in not going to effect the environment.this is insane logic. it's like a smoker saying "well we are all going to die sooner or later so i might as well smoke 10 packs a day". yes, the world might be warming just because it's the natural order of things, but that doesnt mean we shouldn't try to slow it down in whatever way we can.

[lew_1987]

Those are completely different. The earth changing is natural and there is no way to change it. Murderers are not natural. And the others we can control so we should try to help. All I am saying is that people putting solar panels on their house and using less gas in not going to effect the environment.

Murderers could be considered natural, if you believe that most act on basic instincts. That wasn't really my point, however...

We can't control the environment completely no; but we can control the rate at which it is changing... seeing as we have sped it up dramatically. Do we refuse to give cancer patients treatment, simply because they are going to die anyway? No, we try and slow down the process to give them a better quality of life in their last moments. Death is inevitable; we know that much. There is so much more we have to learn about the planet, and if we throw caution into the wind, we may never know. At the most basic level all it takes is a few simple sacrificises, which actually can better ourselves as people too (get fitter by walking, etc.).

Carelessness is not the answer; there is simply no denying that our activities have damaged the planet.

[anthony051]

Anyone can play Devil's Advocate when it comes to Global Warming, but I am of a line of thought that would like to see this planet actually inhabitable for my kids and their kids. Being a snobbish dick and saying that the damage is already done is retarded. I'm ot saying everyone should go out and buy a hybrid or ride their damn bike to work, but there is a lot of simple steps that everyone can take to at least help with the problem.

[Jason Tate]

Holy morons in this thread again. What the fuck is wrong with people ignoring science?

[Jason Tate]

Those are completely different. The earth changing is natural and there is no way to change it. Murderers are not natural. And the others we can control so we should try to help. All I am saying is that people putting solar panels on their house and using less gas in not going to effect the environment.
Then what you're saying is absolutely 100% provable to be false. It is a proven reality that it will be different.

[_jonas]

Haha, inevitable shitty future is funny

[anthony051]

Holy morons in this thread again. What the fuck is wrong with people ignoring science?

I honestly think that the majority of the people saying stupid shit in this thread are just doing so for shock value. You'd have to be profoundly retarded to believe the shit that is coming out of their mouths.

Unless of course Rush Limbaugh frequents the site. :P

[_jonas]

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ALEX JONES was right!

[open mind]

the earth's climate is in a constant state of flux.....but if you look at the numbers the climate is changing at a much faster rate then it normally does (barring global eruptions and/or massive asteroid impacts).....and the only logical explanation for this is industrialization.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

Permafrost in the arctic is melting and releasing methane into the atmosphere, which is apparently 20 times worse as a greenhouse gas and will only speed up global warming. Which in turn will melt more permafrost and release more methane...


http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2008/09/24/Arctic_methane_poses_risk/UPI-33891222231799/

[aoftbsten]

sounds like the day after tomorrow

[saysmydoctor]

:wave:

That article is a load of tripe.

Keep mongering the fear and riding the green bandwagon. Al Gore has you right where he wants you
Nice post, I see you substantiated your post by making retarded argument towards someone unrelated to the article simply because he is a mainstream voice in the climate change debate.
Like someone said above the planet naturally changes. Therefore we really can't do anything about it. So stop complaining about it.
I think we've had this argument before. You make the point of natural climate change which is true, but factor in the accelerated fashion it is occurring, the human contribution is the only difference between past and present cycles.

[Tito Jr.]

Science is not the moron's friend.

[sdbrown]

Even if you don't believe that humans are causing/speeding up global climate change you should try to reduce your carbon footprint just so you have clean air to breathe.

But yes, we are pretty much fucked.

[EchoPark]

Nice post, I see you substantiated your post by making retarded argument towards someone unrelated to the article simply because he is a mainstream voice in the climate change debate.




Truth is, no one in Gen Y gave a shit about the enviornment until Al Gore and that movie came along. Now climate change is on top of all the youth agendas and the green movement is rapidly targeting young people to have a voice.

[sdbrown]

I guess a better question is why is this a problem? Why is it a bad thing to do something to improve the lives of yourself and others by caring about the environment? I mean the earth really isn't in trouble here, humans are. People are the ones losing their homes to the hurricanes, people are the ones getting cancer from plastics and pollution- why would you be against getting people to change this?

[saysmydoctor]

Truth is, no one in Gen Y gave a shit about the enviornment until Al Gore and that movie came along. Now climate change is on top of all the youth agendas and the green movement is rapidly targeting young people to have a voice.
That still doesn't make him attacking Al Gore (I disagree with on so many levels) anymore correct. He is simply the voice of the movement and a familiar figure. This guy is simply as unintelligent as the kids that buy into An Inconvenient Truth hook line and sinker.

[open mind]

Truth is, no one in Gen Y gave a shit about the enviornment until Al Gore and that movie came along. Now climate change is on top of all the youth agendas and the green movement is rapidly targeting young people to have a voice.

so because you don't like the messenger you're going to ignore the message?

[Jason Tate]

Truth is, no one in Gen Y gave a shit about the enviornment until Al Gore and that movie came along. Now climate change is on top of all the youth agendas and the green movement is rapidly targeting young people to have a voice.
Definition of ad hominem.

[nix14085]

and now for something completely different

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2008-09-09-farmers-almanac_N.htm

compared to in the 1970s http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

not saying that we humans don't contribute to climate change, but no one seems to be able to make up their mind weather we're getting hotter or colder. truth is we've only been documenting weather patterns for maybe 2 to 300 hundred years, hardly enough time to draw any conclusions about weather we're headed for destruction.

in the end i think we should take care of our planet and our environment, but i also think that Al Gores "Global warming" is just a scare tactic. The republicans say "vote for us or terrorists will bomb us" the democrats say "vote for us or the planet will burn up"

[A Love American]

Truth is, no one in Gen Y gave a shit about the enviornment until Al Gore and that movie came along. Now climate change is on top of all the youth agendas and the green movement is rapidly targeting young people to have a voice.
Wait a second, so one person helping thousands upon thousands of people come to realization is bad? How could you just ignore science? It's proven! Read up before you make yourself look like such a jackass. Al Gore has done nothing but help the world, what with Live Earth Festival last year, and Inconvenient Truth, and a bunch of other things. Live Earth was the most watched concert on Television of all time, with a fucking huge margin of celebrities urging people to think about Climate Change.

You really have no excuse for ignoring this other than being a complete fucking idiot. There is not one little thing in the Bible about this, there is nothing proving this to be wrong, or anything else that you idiots like to use as excuses. God, a 27 year old married man this stupid. I feel horrible for your wife, and, if you've already had them, I feel absolutely horrible for you kids. If you haven't had them, do the world a favor and get a vasectomy as soon as possible.

[A Love American]

and now for something completely different

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2008-09-09-farmers-almanac_N.htm

compared to in the 1970s http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

not saying that we humans don't contribute to climate change, but no one seems to be able to make up their mind weather we're getting hotter or colder. truth is we've only been documenting weather patterns for maybe 2 to 300 hundred years, hardly enough time to draw any conclusions about weather we're headed for destruction.

in the end i think we should take care of our planet and our environment, but i also think that Al Gores "Global warming" is just a scare tactic. The republicans say "vote for us or terrorists will bomb us" the democrats say "vote for us or the planet will burn up"
Since when do Liberals use that as a vote-garnering tactic? It is just one more thing that the Republicans are denying. It isn't just Democrats; it's gone far beyond that. Most of the non-republican crowd have come to their senses that global warming is real.

[Jason Tate]

and now for something completely different

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2008-09-09-farmers-almanac_N.htm

compared to in the 1970s http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

not saying that we humans don't contribute to climate change, but no one seems to be able to make up their mind weather we're getting hotter or colder. truth is we've only been documenting weather patterns for maybe 2 to 300 hundred years, hardly enough time to draw any conclusions about weather we're headed for destruction.

in the end i think we should take care of our planet and our environment, but i also think that Al Gores "Global warming" is just a scare tactic. The republicans say "vote for us or terrorists will bomb us" the democrats say "vote for us or the planet will burn up"
Climate change. Global warming is a misnomer, it's just a word - it refers to climate CHANGE.

I am sick of this argument, its answer is a 30 second google search away.

[Lueda Alia]

I hate thinking about this.

[open mind]

and now for something completely different

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2008-09-09-farmers-almanac_N.htm

compared to in the 1970s http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

not saying that we humans don't contribute to climate change, but no one seems to be able to make up their mind weather we're getting hotter or colder. truth is we've only been documenting weather patterns for maybe 2 to 300 hundred years, hardly enough time to draw any conclusions about weather we're headed for destruction.

in the end i think we should take care of our planet and our environment, but i also think that Al Gores "Global warming" is just a scare tactic. The republicans say "vote for us or terrorists will bomb us" the democrats say "vote for us or the planet will burn up"

we can effectively measure weather patterns much farther back then 2 to 300 years.

[saysmydoctor]

Climate change. Global warming is a misnomer, it's just a word - it refers to climate CHANGE.

I am sick of this argument, its answer is a 30 second google search away.
It's not so much a misnomer, than a precursor to the bigger picture climate change. But yes, essentially.

[_jonas]

Lulz at our impending doom.:lol:

[EchoPark]

Wait a second, so one person helping thousands upon thousands of people come to realization is bad? How could you just ignore science? It's proven! Read up before you make yourself look like such a jackass. Al Gore has done nothing but help the world, what with Live Earth Festival last year, and Inconvenient Truth, and a bunch of other things. Live Earth was the most watched concert on Television of all time, with a fucking huge margin of celebrities urging people to think about Climate Change.

You really have no excuse for ignoring this other than being a complete fucking idiot. There is not one little thing in the Bible about this, there is nothing proving this to be wrong, or anything else that you idiots like to use as excuses. God, a 27 year old married man this stupid. I feel horrible for your wife, and, if you've already had them, I feel absolutely horrible for you kids. If you haven't had them, do the world a favor and get a vasectomy as soon as possible.


as you are too much of a pussy to list your age up on this site, I don't know how old you are. Or if you live at home with your parents who have no doubt sheltered your stupid ass from the real world.

People like yourself are the reason why everyone in the world hates Americans.

Ignorant,Loud,Know-it-All Americans. You are a disgrace

[_jonas]

as you are too much of a pussy to list your age up on this site, I don't know how old you are. Or if you live at home with your parents who have no doubt sheltered your stupid ass from the real world.

People like yourself are the reason why everyone in the world hates Americans.

Ignorant,Loud,Know-it-All Americans. You are a disgrace
he's 14. i know him in person.

[open mind]

as you are too much of a pussy to list your age up on this site, I don't know how old you are. Or if you live at home with your parents who have no doubt sheltered your stupid ass from the real world.

People like yourself are the reason why everyone in the world hates Americans.

Ignorant,Loud,Know-it-All Americans. You are a disgrace

if you look at surveys (or just talk to foreigners) you'll see that most people don't hate americans or our freedoms or any other kind of nonsense, they mostly hate our foreign policy and the leaders that institute it.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

And a good amount of Americans hate those too.

[circasuicide]

if you look at surveys (or just talk to foreigners) you'll see that most people don't hate americans or our freedoms or any other kind of nonsense, they mostly hate our foreign policy and the leaders that institute it.

good call. we need an administration that can begin to repair and strengthen our foreign policy. i think obama has the open mind, level head, and determination to do just that. and with joe biden at his side, our foreign policy will be golden in a relatively short period of time.

[open mind]

good call. we need an administration that can begin to repair and strengthen our foreign policy. i think obama has the open mind, level head, and determination to do just that. and with joe biden at his side, our foreign policy will be golden in a relatively short period of time.

people will still hate our unquestioned devotion to israel and the nature of our involvement in the greater middle east under obama.

[circasuicide]

people will still hate our unquestioned devotion to israel and the nature of our involvement in the greater middle east under obama.

yes, but you cant have your cake and eat it, too. unfortunately. perfect scenerio for me would be to have a candidate that wanted to pull out of the middle east all together, but that isnt going to happen.

our country is falling apart. we've extended ourselves too far, too soon, and with too much money. what happens to stores that open up too many locations too fast?

exactly.

[A Love American]

as you are too much of a pussy to list your age up on this site, I don't know how old you are. Or if you live at home with your parents who have no doubt sheltered your stupid ass from the real world.

People like yourself are the reason why everyone in the world hates Americans.

Ignorant,Loud,Know-it-All Americans. You are a disgrace
You're right. All of this evidence you have posed has changed my mind about global warming. You know nothing about my family or my childhood so shut the fuck up and start acting your age. Really, a 27 year old that calls people pussy. Really. Oh well, I shouldn't expect anymore than that from a 27 year old with a high-school education.

[open mind]

yes, but you cant have your cake and eat it, too. unfortunately. perfect scenerio for me would be to have a candidate that wanted to pull out of the middle east all together, but that isnt going to happen.

our country is falling apart. we've extended ourselves too far, too soon, and with too much money. what happens to stores that open up too many locations too fast?

exactly.

point is obama isn't going to make the world love the american government much more then bush has so it's silly to act like he will.
what he might do is get support from more world leaders through a greater emphasis on diplomacy, but even that isn't a sure thing.