Brand New - 9.24.08 - Newport Music Hall - Columbus, OH

[TMS2787]

Brand New/The Builders And The Butchers
Wednesday September 24, 2008
Newport Music Hall
Columbus, OH

We saw the last two songs from The Builders And Butchers, the onley opener, pretty good stuff. Real different.

Tautou into Sic Transit Gloria...Glory Fades was a great opener and it got the crowd super into the show. Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Do'n' was streached out superlong and Jesse changed the first few lines of the last verse. The band sounded great but the mic went nuts like five or six times early on in the set but Jesse kept it under control. Some peole seemed to get bored while they did the acousitc portion of the set. Jesse showed amazing vocal range on Two-Headed Boy. After Luca Jesse talked to the crowd for a while, and got more sentemantl abut how they couldn't do all of this without us and now they will be around for a really long time. I was really excited that they closed with Deguasser. Vin played the tamborine on Play Crack The Sky, the first verse of Sowing Season was the demo lyrics, They played for 90 minutes and was suppose to play two hours but the show was still really great and I was super in to it the whole time

Tautou
Sic Transit Gloria...Glory Fades
The Quite Things No One Ever Knows
Jaws Theme Swimming
Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don't
The Shower Scene
The No Seatbelt Song
Play Ceack The Sky
Two-Headed Boy
Handcuffs
Luca
Sowing Season
The Archers Bows Have Broken
Jesus
You Won't Know
Degausser

The setlist is 100% correct and in order. There was no new songs and they said they were recording, like we all know.

[eman83]

No new songs? Damn.

[dissident]

quiet things, wow...

[underdawg1119]

No Limousine or Millstone? I'd take either one of those over another fucking NMH cover.

Oh well. Hopfully next time they come through here they'll be playing new songs. :-)

[DreamForTheDead]

who were the openers though?

[avengedtbs]

I would've been pissed if I didn't get Millstone.

[xdylanx]

solid setlist

[SSLYBY]

Hopefully I get millstone at Indy.

[cr7uz8]

im going to see them sunday thats so awesome they played quiet things i hope they play taht at my show

[dpetty21]

I'm pissed I couldn't make this. Setlist looks solid as fuck.

[TMS2787]

who were the openers though?
The Builders And The Butchers

I would've been pissed if I didn't get Millstone.
I was a little pissed too because the time sheet said 8:30 PM-10:30 PM. 10:00 PM came and they went off. The crowd was ravage and stayed around for like ten minutes chanting for an encore over the house music and the lights being up. This was my 10th BN show so I've seen that song enough but the setlists can always be longer.

[theguilt engine]

Yeah, that NMH cover is a little lame--but who knows, i bet it was great.

i will be reporting in on Sunday morning after the show in Indianapolis for you kids.

[FayeQC]

so much deja

[fightoffyrdmns]

This gets me so stoked for tomorrow and Saturday.

Tautou into Sic Transit, Quiet Things? Disappointed about no Millstone though. I feel like it could've been longer..

[Phil507]

I can't believe we made it this far without some dumbass complaining about the lack of "70x7" and "Jude Law". Hopefully, those songs remain off the setlist. Anyone know if they ever play their Love Spit Love cover ("Am I Wrong")?

[stupidtyonparad]

no they never play am i wrong.

im happy hes been playing two headed boy lately instead of oh comely, he played that song to death. i dont know how i feel about them playing quiet things again, i really hate that song but its cool they put it into their set cause its never there, same with tautou. in general i just find it odd that theres so many devil and god songs not on that set. wheres millstone, not the sun, and WELCOME TO BANGKOK? its weird they didnt play that song

[AEast317]

would be so pleased if this is the set tomorrow in indy

would be even happier if they played more, but im not complaining, obviously

[theguilt engine]

god i wish it was tomorrow night right now.

[SomedayTheFire]

no they never play am i wrong.

im happy hes been playing two headed boy lately instead of oh comely, he played that song to death. i dont know how i feel about them playing quiet things again, i really hate that song but its cool they put it into their set cause its never there, same with tautou. in general i just find it odd that theres so many devil and god songs not on that set. wheres millstone, not the sun, and WELCOME TO BANGKOK? its weird they didnt play that song

I would be so pissed if they didn't play that it's amazing live.

[Good Mourning]

do they ever play guernica anymore?

[ACA]

Tautou
Sic Transit Gloria...Glory Fades
The Quite Things No One Ever Knows
Jaws Theme Swimming
Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don't
The Shower Scene
The No Seatbelt Song
Play Crack The Sky
Two-Headed Boy
Handcuffs
Luca
Sowing Season
The Archers Bows Have Broken
Jesus
You Won't Know
Degausser

The setlist is 100% correct and in order. There was no new songs and they said they were recording, like we all know.

Money

[theguilt engine]

I would love:

You've set on me, but you are not the sun...

[Sandie-Jenkins]

i like that

[stupidtyonparad]

guernica sucks.



hahahaha

[TMS2787]

guernica sucks.



hahahaha
How is that funny?

[stupidtyonparad]

and why 16 songs, thats so depressing, thats worse than no lyrics sheets or like 2 years between albums seeing theyve cut so many songs out of their sets (they were playing 22 on the kdev tour)

[stupidtyonparad]

How is that funny?


cuase i hate that song a lot and me and coupel other guys have a healthy debate about the quality of that tune in the brand new forum rather regularly. a bunch of people on this site disagree with me but i think its one of their worst songs

[AEast317]

nevermind that setlist was fake.

[underdawg1119]

That's a hell of a set if you ignore the lack of Degausser and You Won't Know. I guess Bride/Brickhouse/whatever and a new song would make up for their absence though.

[ItsJuneinmae]

how much did jesse talk?

[TMS2787]

how much did jesse talk?
Last night? Quite a bit at one point. He talked to the crowd I think three time.

I think I'd take last nights setlist over tonights setlist but a new song would've been stellar.

[theguilt engine]

what was the setlist for last night?

[AEast317]

this was apparently the setlist for last night

i wouldn't get too worried, remember it wasnt a headlining show so they didnt play a full set probably..

tautou
sic transit
tommy gun
jaws
luca
sowing season
archers
jesus christ
you won't know
degausser

[nhoium]

I hope we get Archers and Quiet Things tonight. The rest of the set is pretty standard.

[theguilt engine]

yeah, this is going to be awesome.

[ALotLikeVegas]

i'd be complaining so much if i didn't get limousine haha
oh yeah and just wondering, i know jesse plays soco and moshi moshi at his solo shows all the time but do they ever play them as a full band?

[AEast317]

tautau
sic transit gloria
jaws
quiet things
okay i believe you
shower scene
Me vs. Maradona vs. Elvis
two headed boy



luca
sowing season
archers
jesus
mixtape
70x7
you wont know
degausser

great.

[zbrmike79]

mixtape!!
dope!!
that's looks like such a fun set

[ItsJuneinmae]

I think they played 70x7 cause some girl almost or did died and we(the crowd) were very cooperative

[Guern1ca]

FUCK, I can't wait for tomorrow night.

[AEast317]

i dont think thats exactly why they played it.
seems like they had a lot of fun during mixtape, and instead of moving on, jesse told everyone to play 70x7 because he said, that was fun lets do more of that

[ItsJuneinmae]

either way it was sweet they played it. I wonder what happened to that girl?

[AEast317]

she was still breathing, so hopefully shes okay!

[ItsJuneinmae]

yeah they wheeled her right past me and they were using one of those breathing pumps.

[TMS2787]

Anyone care to eleborate on what went down?

[ItsJuneinmae]

During Brand News right before they went into their acoustic part of the set some girl got injured. Jesse played one acoustic song with the house lights on. Then after that he said they had to stop the show because the situation was a little bit more serious then what they originally thought. The girl was wheeled out on a stretcher. thats all anyone knows really. I was on the opposite side of where it happened

[dial_the_ether]

After lurking here for a while I guess replying would be okay, I was on the side where all the girl injuring went down. From what I heard she had some sort of seizure (according to the people behind me), things were getting pretty serious during maradona and people kept shouting for security. No one ended up getting over there until about half way through the song, girls were crying all over it was really strange. When Jesse began to play two headed boy pt. 2 they started doing some sort of CPR or something on her...I just saw bits and pieces from where I was standing. In the middle of cover I got a pretty good view of what was going on, and watching them try to get her back to health was...really strange and movielike with the song playing in the background.

I suppose she's okay, someone said she was before they wheeled her out.

The best part of the whole situation was the douche behind me who kept saying that they just needed to "bring her a fuckin' gurney so Jesse can play again" oh and he also took pictures of the whole happening..meh.

on a lighter note, it was an amazing show.
and i'm glad most of the crowd was really coopertaive with the whole situation and I guess hearing 70x7 was pretty good too.

[isubird33]

I thought the same thing....it was kinda creepy with the song he was playing and them doing cpr on the girl. I was by the green doors on the right side where they took her out and she was hooked up to a breathing bag.

[TMS2787]

Man, that's pretty intense.

Cool they played Mix Tape for you guys but really isn't that big of a deal to me.

[AEast317]

yeah, i personally would've rather heard no seatbelt or jude law over mixtape

[isubird33]

I was hoping the encore would be Jude Law or Play Crack the Sky.....but alas.....no encore

[ItsJuneinmae]

they have never played an encore from the 5 times ive seen them.

[dial_the_ether]

I wonder what they'll play tonight as the set list from Indy and Columbus differed a little bit, They actually cut play crack the sky and handcuffs from last night's set when i caught a glimpse of the typed list, i'm guessing these got cut due to the unfortunate "intermission" we experienced.

by the way, was someone handing out Razia's Shadow stuff last night before the show or something? As I was leaving I found two fliers for it on the street, I thought it was kind of rad.

[TMS2787]

I was hoping the encore would be Jude Law or Play Crack the Sky.....but alas.....no encore
"This is usually the part of the show where we go on stage and come back, but we haven't played an encore in years, so we're just going to play some more songs." -Jesse in Columbus.

[dial_the_ether]

I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!



I fucking heard Moshi-Moshi tonight. Cincinnati wins the battle of the set-lists for these 5 dates. Booyahkasha.

dammit, and I had a chance to go to tonight's show too.

What else did they play?

[dial_the_ether]

Basically everything the same as Columbus, save for Moshi.

Oh well...I suppose I will be happy with the fact I got to hear 70x7.
Hopefully my friend recorded it tonight or something.

[zubinmoosa]

I wonder what they'll play tonight as the set list from Indy and Columbus differed a little bit, They actually cut play crack the sky and handcuffs from last night's set when i caught a glimpse of the typed list, i'm guessing these got cut due to the unfortunate "intermission" we experienced.

by the way, was someone handing out Razia's Shadow stuff last night before the show or something? As I was leaving I found two fliers for it on the street, I thought it was kind of rad.
what did they say?

[stupidtyonparad]

i would much rather hear moshi moshi or mixtape than seventy times 7. fuck that song, the longer they keep playing it, the longer douche bags will keep showing up to shows and bitching about it not coming up

[TMS2787]

I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!



I fucking heard Moshi-Moshi tonight. Cincinnati wins the battle of the set-lists for these 5 dates. Booyahkasha.
I heard it in November. I WIN.

[TMS2787]

November =/= these 5 dates.
Wasn't/isn't it four dates?

[dial_the_ether]

what did they say?


It just had the release date and the picture of the mountain with a face. No mention of Forgive Durden or any of the other players involved. I took a couple of them, i suppose i could scan and upload if anyone wants a visual.

[fightoffyrdmns]

I saw 70x7 and Moshi Moshi this weekend. What do I win?

Seriously, I'm not a 70x7 fanbro, I'm just saying during Mix Tape and 70x7 was the most fun I've had in a BN crowd in a while.

I also feel I see Moshi Moshi a lot, like...all of solo tour, and I hadn't seen 70x7 since Bamboozle...'07? It was a good throw back that night.

[zubinmoosa]

It just had the release date and the picture of the mountain with a face. No mention of Forgive Durden or any of the other players involved. I took a couple of them, i suppose i could scan and upload if anyone wants a visual.
that would be awesome

[dial_the_ether]

that would be awesome

Here it is, hopefully it scanned alright.

http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/gg184/ryanstartedfires/?action=view&current=RaziasShadow.jpg

I would've uploaded it, but I suppose the scan is too big or something..hopefully this will do. :-)

[theguilt engine]

I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!



I fucking heard Moshi-Moshi tonight. Cincinnati wins the battle of the set-lists for these 5 dates. Booyahkasha.
nah, mixtape and seventy times seven win the battle EASILY.

[theguilt engine]

I saw 70x7 and Moshi Moshi this weekend. What do I win?

Seriously, I'm not a 70x7 fanbro, I'm just saying during Mix Tape and 70x7 was the most fun I've had in a BN crowd in a while.

I also feel I see Moshi Moshi a lot, like...all of solo tour, and I hadn't seen 70x7 since Bamboozle...'07? It was a good throw back that night.
How far did you drive to join us in Indy?

[fightoffyrdmns]

How far did you drive to join us in Indy?

Southwest Airlines Norfolk > Baltimore > Indianapolis = just over 4 hours.

[TMS2787]

Seventy Times 7=not that big of a deal.

[fightoffyrdmns]

Wrongski.

Moshi Moshi acoustic or Mix Tape and 70x7 full band?
I understand it's personal opinion, but, the solo tour came to the Midwest, Moshi Moshi was every night. And it wasn't full band last night, it was acoustic.

Seventy Times 7=not that big of a deal.

No, but coupled with Mix Tape it was a pleasant surprise.

[TMS2787]

Moshi Moshi acoustic or Mix Tape and 70x7 full band?
I understand it's personal opinion, but, the solo tour came to the Midwest, Moshi Moshi was every night. And it wasn't full band last night, it was acoustic.



No, but coupled with Mix Tape it was a pleasant surprise.
Moshi Moshi isn't played full band anymore, if it ever was.

Mix Tape would be cool to hear and is a good surprise but it wouldn't make or break a show for me.

[fightoffyrdmns]

I know, the acoustic part is to symbolize a slow down, as it was followed by Play Crack. Both are great songs, but I feel like I hear them way too much. Both were played on solo tour everyday, random shows where they slow it down, etc. Granted, Moshi Moshi has more energy, but still I don't think it can connect with the crowd like Mix Tape or 70x7 can, but that's just me.

It seems like the people that went to Indy preferred that setlist, who went to Cincinnati preferred that setlist, and so I'm glad that you all went to your respective shows. Just saying, Friday night might quite possible be my favorite time seeing Brand New, and if not definitely up there. It wasn't just because of Mix Tape or 70x7 though.

[stupidtyonparad]

Moshi Moshi isn't played full band anymore, if it ever was.

Mix Tape would be cool to hear and is a good surprise but it wouldn't make or break a show for me.


i dont mean to sound like a dick, but if your trying to sound like you know brand new, im sorry your wrong. moshi moshi was never a big song in their sets, if you listen ot the downtown solo show, he even says "we havent played this song in a while" and that was right after deja came out. and during the first kdev solo tour he said "im just starting to play this song again and i think i like it again" so that being said, yeah its acoustic most of the time, but to say they dont play it anymore is wrong cause they played it full band at the triple crown show, granted some of those songs i doubt youll ever hear again (last chance to loose your keys, sudden death in carolina) but either way, that statement isnt right

[underdawg1119]

i dont mean to sound like a dick, but if your trying to sound like you know brand new, im sorry your wrong. moshi moshi was never a big song in their sets, if you listen ot the downtown solo show, he even says "we havent played this song in a while" and that was right after deja came out. and during the first kdev solo tour he said "im just starting to play this song again and i think i like it again" so that being said, yeah its acoustic most of the time, but to say they dont play it anymore is wrong cause they played it full band at the triple crown show, granted some of those songs i doubt youll ever hear again (last chance to loose your keys, sudden death in carolina) but either way, that statement isnt right
He didn't say it was a big song in their set. He just said it's hardly ever played with a full band, if it ever was, and I don't think he's wrong. Playing it once at Triple Crown's anniversary show doesn't really constitute saying 'they play it live as a full band' to me for some reason.

But lol@saying "not trying to sound like a dick", considering that's all you ever sound like when talking about this band.

[TMS2787]

He didn't say it was a big song in their set. He just said it's hardly ever played with a full band, if it ever was, and I don't think he's wrong. Playing it once at Triple Crown's anniversary show doesn't really constitute saying 'they play it live as a full band' to me for some reason.

But lol@saying "not trying to sound like a dick", considering that's all you ever sound like when talking about this band.
How did I miss that he said this to me on the "Who Quoted Me?" but that's about all I was going to say my self. But I guess I just don't know about Brand New. :shrug:

[stupidtyonparad]

i get a little uptight about this band just because of the way people treat it on this site, so yeah i can sound like a dick, sorry to all

and after i wrote that i thought abotu it and said to myself "yeah i do kinda sound ilke a dick there" sorrryy

[ourlady311]

that is an AMAZING setlist.

and fuck everyone who is telling them to leave off 70x7 or jude law, those would make great additions. BN could have such a stronger following if they showed more love to the older fans...i've been preaching this for months now, but WE ARE THE REASON THAT THEY ARE STILL AROUND AND ABLE TO FUCKING MAKE A LIVING. we supported them when all they had to tour behind was YFW, and we still want to hear those songs that captivated us from the beginning. yes, the new material is absolutely amazing, but when it comes to hearing it live...they need to mix it up! drag it out a little longer, maybe leave off Jesus or Degausser in favor of a song that will have people lose their fucking minds. we show them so much love all the time, it's about time they return the favor!

[zubinmoosa]

that is an AMAZING setlist.

and fuck everyone who is telling them to leave off 70x7 or jude law, those would make great additions. BN could have such a stronger following if they showed more love to the older fans...i've been preaching this for months now, but WE ARE THE REASON THAT THEY ARE STILL AROUND AND ABLE TO FUCKING MAKE A LIVING. we supported them when all they had to tour behind was YFW, and we still want to hear those songs that captivated us from the beginning. yes, the new material is absolutely amazing, but when it comes to hearing it live...they need to mix it up! drag it out a little longer, maybe leave off Jesus or Degausser in favor of a song that will have people lose their fucking minds. we show them so much love all the time, it's about time they return the favor!
X-)

[stupidtyonparad]

that is an AMAZING setlist.

and fuck everyone who is telling them to leave off 70x7 or jude law, those would make great additions. BN could have such a stronger following if they showed more love to the older fans...i've been preaching this for months now, but WE ARE THE REASON THAT THEY ARE STILL AROUND AND ABLE TO FUCKING MAKE A LIVING. we supported them when all they had to tour behind was YFW, and we still want to hear those songs that captivated us from the beginning. yes, the new material is absolutely amazing, but when it comes to hearing it live...they need to mix it up! drag it out a little longer, maybe leave off Jesus or Degausser in favor of a song that will have people lose their fucking minds. we show them so much love all the time, it's about time they return the favor!


your in the minority here. i was the first brand new fan in my town, and i loved your favorite weapon, but it brings out douche bags at shows, and i would MUCH rather here degausser than sevent times 7 any day of the week. of course we supported them when they were young or whatever you wanna say but they grew up, now maybe you should too? sure the old stuff is good, but they dont wnat that crowd anymore, im sorry to break it to you

[tcemoo]

I went to the Cincy show and absolutely loved it.

I personally wish that when playing the YFW songs, because I'd kill for Logan to Government Center or Magazines. I know the songs are immature and unartistic, but with Brand New only coming to my area once while YFW was still being played in their setlists (which was before I got to know them), I never really got to see the songs live. It was years before they ever returned to Wisconsin and by that point they played a few YFW songs but they were the same "mainstream" YFW songs they always play. With three albums there could be quite a bit of variation from one night/tour to the next, but they always play the same songs. Minirant over.

However, they really need to stop playing The No Seatbelt Song. It's hands down the only bad song on Your Favorite Weapon yet it seems to be their favorite.

I've now seen Moshi Moshi 3 times in a row when going to see a show involving Jesse Lacey. No, I'm not complaining it's one of my favorite songs and it was a running joke amongst my friends that I was sad cuz I'd never get to see Moshi Moshi live. Guess I was wrong.

Overall, though, the show was awesome and I can't wait until they tour again.

[underdawg1119]

that is an AMAZING setlist.

and fuck everyone who is telling them to leave off 70x7 or jude law, those would make great additions. BN could have such a stronger following if they showed more love to the older fans...i've been preaching this for months now, but WE ARE THE REASON THAT THEY ARE STILL AROUND AND ABLE TO FUCKING MAKE A LIVING. we supported them when all they had to tour behind was YFW, and we still want to hear those songs that captivated us from the beginning. yes, the new material is absolutely amazing, but when it comes to hearing it live...they need to mix it up! drag it out a little longer, maybe leave off Jesus or Degausser in favor of a song that will have people lose their fucking minds. we show them so much love all the time, it's about time they return the favor!
I really don't think their following could get any stronger. If all they have to do to get rid of people like you as a fan is not play Jude Law or Seventy Times 7 a few more times, then I can't wait.

As much as I really don't care for stupidityonparad or whatever his name is, he's right. "PLAY JUDE LAW!!!11! PLAY 70 x 7!!!!!" over and over again is ruining BN shows. If they wanted to play the old songs, they would add them to the setlist. Obviously they haven't recently, so shut the fuck up about it already. A bunch of drunk idiot frat boys in the crowd screaming them out isn't likely to change their minds.

[daniel.e]

"You Won't Know" is the best song ever.

[kemichels]

"You Won't Know" is the best song ever.

Fact. That song gets me so jacked. The live version is much better than the one on the cd. I can't stop watching it on youtubes all over.

[daniel.e]

Fact. That song gets me so jacked. The live version is much better than the one on the cd. I can't stop watching it on youtubes all over.

Yeah, they're extracting so much rage and emotion when they're performing that song live. I've never seen them live myself though, real bummer.

[stupidtyonparad]

i feel for daniel.e

i was just thinking today its been 6 months sense ive seen brand new live and i feel like its been way too long, ive been listening to live bootlegs all day. but daniel.e if you get the chance, friggin get out for a show next time they're overseas

[ourlady311]

I really don't think their following could get any stronger. If all they have to do to get rid of people like you as a fan is not play Jude Law or Seventy Times 7 a few more times, then I can't wait.

As much as I really don't care for stupidityonparad or whatever his name is, he's right. "PLAY JUDE LAW!!!11! PLAY 70 x 7!!!!!" over and over again is ruining BN shows. If they wanted to play the old songs, they would add them to the setlist. Obviously they haven't recently, so shut the fuck up about it already. A bunch of drunk idiot frat boys in the crowd screaming them out isn't likely to change their minds.


hey champ, we're not drunk idiot fratstars, we're people that enjoy the energy of the older material and perhaps didn't get the chance to see them back when all they had to tour behind was YFW. personally, i don't give a fuck if i'm in the minority...bands need to cater to all of their fans however they can if they want to stay relevant.

[dissident]

bands don't "need" to do anything, quit acting like they owe you something.

[underdawg1119]

hey champ, we're not drunk idiot fratstars, we're people that enjoy the energy of the older material and perhaps didn't get the chance to see them back when all they had to tour behind was YFW. personally, i don't give a fuck if i'm in the minority...bands need to cater to all of their fans however they can if they want to stay relevant.
Then that's your fucking problem. I didn't see them back then either, and I don't incessantly bitch about how I wish they'd play songs they wrote when they were 18. They're all 30 or nearing it now, and obviously don't relate to a lot of the songs anymore, so why would they play them? To cater to the 10 or 15 people that continually shout out old song titles during their set? Fuck that.

Like the kid above me said, they don't fucking owe you shit. If you don't like the fact that they don't play a lot of YFW songs anymore, then stop coming to the shows. No one will miss you. They still have plenty of fans that love hearing the TDAG songs live, and I don't think any of them are going anywhere.

I can only imagine what's going to happen when they start touring on their next album and they stop playing a lot of stuff from Deja or something.

Jesus Christ.

[TMS2787]

A band needs to cater to their fans to stay relevant? That is possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. A band does not need to cater to anyone, sometimes a band is going to change their sound, style, etc and they are doing it because it's what they want to do with their band. They do not owe it to you to play anything off of "Your Favorite Weapon" or any album for that matter. They created the music, not you, just because you think it is better (really, it isn't - YFW is by far the worst Brand New record) than anything they have done because you're not willing to accept the way they've matured, moved on and become a better band than it's your fault and no one else's. It is beyond disrespectful to a band to stand there and screaming for a intire set for songs you know they will no play, when they are already up there, giving it there all.

I don't see how people don't realize this, they owe you nothing but there thanks, good graces, and to put on the best show they feel they can when you pay to see them. Honestly, they don't even owe you the first two things. A band owes you nothing.

Get over it.

[tcemoo]

Then that's your fucking problem. I didn't see them back then either, and I don't incessantly bitch about how I wish they'd play songs they wrote when they were 18. They're all 30 or nearing it now, and obviously don't relate to a lot of the songs anymore, so why would they play them? To cater to the 10 or 15 people that continually shout out old song titles during their set? Fuck that.

Like the kid above me said, they don't fucking owe you shit. If you don't like the fact that they don't play a lot of YFW songs anymore, then stop coming to the shows. No one will miss you. They still have plenty of fans that love hearing the TDAG songs live, and I don't think any of them are going anywhere.

I can only imagine what's going to happen when they start touring on their next album and they stop playing a lot of stuff from Deja or something.

Jesus Christ.

I agree with the fact that it sucks they won't play most of their old songs anymore because I'm of the category that didn't get to see Brand New before Deja (and even the Devil and God) hit the streets. Is it my fault that Brand New never came to Wisconsin between 2002 and 2007 besides their Warped tour stop, which was post-Deja? How is it "my fucking problem" that a band decided to just skip my state on every tour for 5 years? Being a teenager at the time, I didn't have the resources to travel to Chicago (nor parents willing to take me such a distance) and when a band skips your area completely for an era of their existance, I think it's fair to say they at least could be a bit nicer and try to hit that area more times in the future (note: they haven't hit Milwaukee again since that March 2007 date).

I don't want a set made up of all Your Favorite Weapon, because I also agree that they have better work, but I'd still like to see more of a variety played off the album (over time, not all in a single night).

However, I do believe when a band goes on tour they do at least owe you whatever you paid for your ticket's worth of entertainment. I personally think Brand New delivers (I've seen BN twice, and they played quite a few songs both times, I also went out to Jesse's last 2 solo tours and felt like it was worth the entire trip [13 hours to Nashville and 5 to Iowa]), but there are still ways in which they could improve their sets, and it wouldn't hurt to mix in some of the older crowd favorites once in a while in lieu of your "artistic masterpieces". Remember, the crowd is paying for you to be there and it's alright to throw them a bone every once-in-a-while.

[underdawg1119]

I agree with the fact that it sucks they won't play most of their old songs anymore because I'm of the category that didn't get to see Brand New before Deja (and even the Devil and God) hit the streets. Is it my fault that Brand New never came to Wisconsin between 2002 and 2007 besides their Warped tour stop, which was post-Deja? How is it "my fucking problem" that a band decided to just skip my state on every tour for 5 years? Being a teenager at the time, I didn't have the resources to travel to Chicago (nor parents willing to take me such a distance) and when a band skips your area completely for an era of their existance, I think it's fair to say they at least could be a bit nicer and try to hit that area more times in the future (note: they haven't hit Milwaukee again since that March 2007 date).

I don't want a set made up of all Your Favorite Weapon, because I also agree that they have better work, but I'd still like to see more of a variety played off the album (over time, not all in a single night).

However, I do believe when a band goes on tour they do at least owe you whatever you paid for your ticket's worth of entertainment. I personally think Brand New delivers (I've seen BN twice, and they played quite a few songs both times, I also went out to Jesse's last 2 solo tours and felt like it was worth the entire trip [13 hours to Nashville and 5 to Iowa]), but there are still ways in which they could improve their sets, and it wouldn't hurt to mix in some of the older crowd favorites once in a while in lieu of your "artistic masterpieces". Remember, the crowd is paying for you to be there and it's alright to throw them a bone every once-in-a-while.
I could be wrong about this, so someone correct me if I am, but I don't think all bands are necessarily in charge of their tour schedule. So it's not really BN's fault either if they never came close to you. I think usually bookers tend to go where they will make the most money/there are the most fans. That sucks that they didn't come anywhere near you for 5 years, but regardless they don't owe anyone anything. No band does, and I really don't understand the logic of people that think otherwise.

[ourlady311]

Then that's your fucking problem. I didn't see them back then either, and I don't incessantly bitch about how I wish they'd play songs they wrote when they were 18. They're all 30 or nearing it now, and obviously don't relate to a lot of the songs anymore, so why would they play them? To cater to the 10 or 15 people that continually shout out old song titles during their set? Fuck that.

Like the kid above me said, they don't fucking owe you shit. If you don't like the fact that they don't play a lot of YFW songs anymore, then stop coming to the shows. No one will miss you. They still have plenty of fans that love hearing the TDAG songs live, and I don't think any of them are going anywhere.

I can only imagine what's going to happen when they start touring on their next album and they stop playing a lot of stuff from Deja or something.

Jesus Christ.

actually, it's NOT my fucking problem. and any band owes ALL of their fans shit...to say that they don't is literally the stupidest fucking thing i've heard all month. clearly you know precisely dick about great live bands that continue to stay relevant over time...because what happens when BN releases a shit album that no one cares about? who wants to see them tour something terrible when they're not playing the songs that we got into to begin with?

take for example 311...everything they do, they do for the fans, no matter how old the material is or how tired they might be of playing it, because...guess what? it's still the shit we love to hear, especially with the energy they give it live! no fucking shit they're not the same potheads they were back in 95, but they know that we love to hear that shit and they play it for us. and you know what? they've been consistently selling out lakewood (or nearly selling out) for the past 10 years now. try to see brand new continue to be able to feasibly tour or stay relevant in the least when they consistently drop out the biggest crowd pleasers.

seriously, i wish i could be nice about this, but you obviously have abosolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. please stop going to shows ever, or at least wait until i move out of GA so i don't have the misfortune of running into douchehats like yourself.

[ourlady311]

I could be wrong about this, so someone correct me if I am, but I don't think all bands are necessarily in charge of their tour schedule. So it's not really BN's fault either if they never came close to you. I think usually bookers tend to go where they will make the most money/there are the most fans. That sucks that they didn't come anywhere near you for 5 years, but regardless they don't owe anyone anything. No band does, and I really don't understand the logic of people that think otherwise.

Dude, I thought I was done ripping you a new one, but seriously you really are fucking retarded when it comes to this. Bands owe their fans EVERYTHING. We go to their shows. We buy their merch. We spread the word about them and tell our friends and get them into said bands. We sometimes even buy their albums and support their record companies.

But we're everything to them, and they really do owe us everything. Because what you can't seem to wrap your head around is that if it wasn't for us, THEY WOULDN'T EXIST AS A BAND.

ok, now i'm done for real. but seriously, please do stop going to shows. kthx.

[ourlady311]

A band owes you nothing.



False. Refer to my statements to douchehat #1, I don't feel like repeating myself to another ignorant fuckstar.

[AEast317]

However, they really need to stop playing The No Seatbelt Song. It's hands down the only bad song on Your Favorite Weapon yet it seems to be their favorite.


you can't be serious.

[AMAAS]

I think Brand New should take a page from:Copeland, Yellowcard,New Found Glory, The Starting Line, Less Than Jake, Thrice, etc with how to mix old and new material together....especially Copeland they played 5 songs from each of the 3 albums last time I saw them

[stupidtyonparad]

Dude, I thought I was done ripping you a new one, but seriously you really are fucking retarded when it comes to this. Bands owe their fans EVERYTHING. We go to their shows. We buy their merch. We spread the word about them and tell our friends and get them into said bands. We sometimes even buy their albums and support their record companies.

But we're everything to them, and they really do owe us everything. Because what you can't seem to wrap your head around is that if it wasn't for us, THEY WOULDN'T EXIST AS A BAND.

ok, now i'm done for real. but seriously, please do stop going to shows. kthx.

actually, it's NOT my fucking problem. and any band owes ALL of their fans shit...to say that they don't is literally the stupidest fucking thing i've heard all month. clearly you know precisely dick about great live bands that continue to stay relevant over time...because what happens when BN releases a shit album that no one cares about? who wants to see them tour something terrible when they're not playing the songs that we got into to begin with?

take for example 311...everything they do, they do for the fans, no matter how old the material is or how tired they might be of playing it, because...guess what? it's still the shit we love to hear, especially with the energy they give it live! no fucking shit they're not the same potheads they were back in 95, but they know that we love to hear that shit and they play it for us. and you know what? they've been consistently selling out lakewood (or nearly selling out) for the past 10 years now. try to see brand new continue to be able to feasibly tour or stay relevant in the least when they consistently drop out the biggest crowd pleasers.

seriously, i wish i could be nice about this, but you obviously have abosolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. please stop going to shows ever, or at least wait until i move out of GA so i don't have the misfortune of running into douchehats like yourself.


first off you loose points for getting carried away and flipping out on a fucking internet thread about a band. not that big of a deal. second you loose points for posting the same thing basically twice in a row when you were "done ripping him a new one" (cause we're in 10th grade?)

but your wrong here. 311 isnt brand new, they havent gone through such a giant transition in style of music like brand new did. i hate against me! for playing non-stop new wave and the reason is they still consider themselves a punk band. brand new isnt punk or pop punk or whatever you want to call them anymore so let them play the style of music they are as a band.

and seventy times 7 is the biggest crowd pleaser? i think not. maybe to the fuckass frat guys or jr high kids who still manage to make it out to the shows, and yeah like the other guy said itd be better if those kids stopped coming to the shows. the majority of this site still regards deja entendu as their best album and they still play off it. i myself disagree and think the devil and god is their best so let them play off it. sure id like to hear some of the old stuff cause i loved your favorite weapon when it came out but does it make or break the concert? no. cause i didnt go to a pop punk show, im not there to see your favorite weapon and if you go there expecting it, then...sorry. go see sum 41, they'll play pop punk till they die.

theyve said they're going to play more of the old stuff now than they have on the past tour/tour and a half (thrice and half of the kdev tour) so good for them, i hope ill get lucky and grab mixtape or logan to government center at my next show, but if i dont, oh well, i went to a brand new show, not a sum 41 show, and im going to be happy with the music i know they're going to play

[Phil507]

Dude, I thought I was done ripping you a new one, but seriously you really are fucking retarded when it comes to this. Bands owe their fans EVERYTHING. We go to their shows. We buy their merch. We spread the word about them and tell our friends and get them into said bands. We sometimes even buy their albums and support their record companies.

But we're everything to them, and they really do owe us everything. Because what you can't seem to wrap your head around is that if it wasn't for us, THEY WOULDN'T EXIST AS A BAND.

ok, now i'm done for real. but seriously, please do stop going to shows. kthx.

It pains me to argue with you since your username is made out of two bands I love (311, Our Lady Peace) but, holy shit man, I can't believe we're the same age. Why are you taking an internet thread on Brand New so goddamned seriously? I'm sure the band still likes the YFW songs but was really excited about their last record and, as such, loves playing it live. Kids still will show up to the shows regardless, no one is forcing anyone to buy their records, go to their shows, etc. If you're tired of the DAGARIM songs, just don't go until there's a new album out.

[RamInGoreville]

you can't be serious.

I know right, The No Seatbelt is the BEST on that album, along with Soco Amaretto Lime.

But yeah, I could care less if they never played a song off YFW again. Don't get me wrong, I love it. But the last two releases by them have blown me away. They are truly masterpieces, where YFW is just so much more generic.

All I know is that whenever I go to a Brand New show, I happily know that that the set list will please me no matter what, because I honestly like every song they've ever put out.

[DaTBoiDaN]

Dude, I thought I was done ripping you a new one, but seriously you really are fucking retarded when it comes to this. Bands owe their fans EVERYTHING. We go to their shows. We buy their merch. We spread the word about them and tell our friends and get them into said bands. We sometimes even buy their albums and support their record companies.

But we're everything to them, and they really do owe us everything. Because what you can't seem to wrap your head around is that if it wasn't for us, THEY WOULDN'T EXIST AS A BAND.

ok, now i'm done for real. but seriously, please do stop going to shows. kthx.


Why wouldn't they exist as a band? They would be physically unable to get together in a room and make music together? Think about what you type before you press the post button. You're fucking 24 and you're throwing a tantrum on a message board... albeit one that isn't even sound.

[underdawg1119]

actually, it's NOT my fucking problem. and any band owes ALL of their fans shit...to say that they don't is literally the stupidest fucking thing i've heard all month. clearly you know precisely dick about great live bands that continue to stay relevant over time...because what happens when BN releases a shit album that no one cares about? who wants to see them tour something terrible when they're not playing the songs that we got into to begin with?

take for example 311...everything they do, they do for the fans, no matter how old the material is or how tired they might be of playing it, because...guess what? it's still the shit we love to hear, especially with the energy they give it live! no fucking shit they're not the same potheads they were back in 95, but they know that we love to hear that shit and they play it for us. and you know what? they've been consistently selling out lakewood (or nearly selling out) for the past 10 years now. try to see brand new continue to be able to feasibly tour or stay relevant in the least when they consistently drop out the biggest crowd pleasers.

seriously, i wish i could be nice about this, but you obviously have abosolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. please stop going to shows ever, or at least wait until i move out of GA so i don't have the misfortune of running into douchehats like yourself.
No. It is your problem. You are the only one that cares about the fact that you missed them "back in the day". That is no one else's problem, because it only concerns you. And the fact that me saying bands don't owe you anything is the "stupidest fucking thing" you've heard all month is pretty sad, because it's the fucking truth. Brand New has enough great material now, that even if they were to put out a shitty album, they would still have enough of a catalog to put on an enjoyable show for me, so that is a non-issue.

Comparing 2 completely different bands like Brand New and 311 is the stupidest fucking shit I have seen all month, because like Stupidityonparad said, Brand New has undergone a pretty drastic change over the course of their 3 full lengths, yet 311 has sounded pretty much the same since 1995. Furthermore, I'm sure as time goes on Brand New will start to want a little varierty in their set and return back to the older songs in place of some of the songs from Deja they've been playing every tour since 2003. (Tommy Gun anyone?) Recently, they have been enjoying playing newer songs and songs they all just have a general like for. That shouldn't piss people off, because once again, whether you agree or not, no band owes any of their fans shit. I for one would rather see great songs being played with excitement and intensity as opposed to mediocre songs played with no feeling.

And I'm pretty sure Brand New has been touring pretty regularly since around 2001 or 2002 or so, and these past 2 or 3 whole tours have pretty much sold out...nevermind 1 amphitheater show in Atlanta...that's getting up there with the better part of the decade...so what's your point? Both pretty relevant as far as touring goes. Sure 311 plays bigger venues. They're a bigger band that has been around for much longer.

Concerning that last little childish rant, being that you like bands such as 311 and Our Lady Peace, I don't think either of us will have to deal with the misfortune of running into one another at shows. If we happened to however, don't worry. You'd undoubtedly be the guy screaming out songs from said band's first album from the middle of the "pit" in an effort to look cool or whatnot, and I'd be doing my best to get as far away from you as possible.

Dude, I thought I was done ripping you a new one, but seriously you really are fucking retarded when it comes to this. Bands owe their fans EVERYTHING. We go to their shows. We buy their merch. We spread the word about them and tell our friends and get them into said bands. We sometimes even buy their albums and support their record companies.

But we're everything to them, and they really do owe us everything. Because what you can't seem to wrap your head around is that if it wasn't for us, THEY WOULDN'T EXIST AS A BAND.

ok, now i'm done for real. but seriously, please do stop going to shows. kthx.
It's pretty comical that you think your tantrum was "ripping me a new one". All you did was make yourself look like an asshole.

But yeah, I forgot that a group of friends can't get together to make and record music unless they have a bunch of kids talking about them and buying their t-shirts. I'll remember that next time I sit down to play drums.

[dpetty21]

and seventy times 7 is the biggest crowd pleaser? i think not. maybe to the fuckass frat guys or jr high kids who still manage to make it out to the shows, and yeah like the other guy said itd be better if those kids stopped coming to the shows. the majority of this site still regards deja entendu as their best album and they still play off it. i myself disagree and think the devil and god is their best so let them play off it. sure id like to hear some of the old stuff cause i loved your favorite weapon when it came out but does it make or break the concert? no. cause i didnt go to a pop punk show, im not there to see your favorite weapon and if you go there expecting it, then...sorry. go see sum 41, they'll play pop punk till they die.


I heard someone else mention that frat guys are into YFW. Everyshow I go to for Brand New the frat bros are the ones who are into TDAG the most and could care less about YFW. I've see them in Chicago and Cleveland it was the same way.

[TMS2787]

Ourlady311, you are one of the dumbest fucking people I've seen post on this forum and I've seen a lot of dumb shit. And you sit here and call us "fuckstars"? Please.

[stupidtyonparad]

I heard someone else mention that frat guys are into YFW. Everyshow I go to for Brand New the frat bros are the ones who are into TDAG the most and could care less about YFW. I've see them in Chicago and Cleveland it was the same way.


you missed the biggest point i was trying to make haha

[dpetty21]

I know. I wasn't really trying to get into the whole argument. Just wanted to mention that and then slip out without having to argure anything haha. I was just surprised really because it has been the opposite from what I see at my dates.

[stupidtyonparad]

then you get lucky haha

[ourlady311]

yet 311 has sounded pretty much the same since 1995.


false. clearly you have never listened to any 311 outside of their singles. please just stop talking, thanks.

[stupidtyonparad]

false. clearly you have never listened to any 311 outside of their singles. please just stop talking, thanks.


just want to point out he skipped over the fact that everybody ripped him to shreads, picked that one quote, and tried to sound bad ass

[underdawg1119]

just want to point out he skipped over the fact that everybody ripped him to shreads, picked that one quote, and tried to sound bad ass
Hahaha, I noticed that as well. And I can't say I do listen to 311...not that I'm missing much anyway..lol.

[Sammmm39]

this came to my school- It was rly good.

[ALotLikeVegas]

youre all pussies ahah
honestly i think theyre smart for not playing 70x7 alot because its obviously got you guys talking. i mean, if they played it every show it wouldnt be as great as an experience as it would be to hear it now. maybe jesse's just into giving people surprises or something, and if you were true fans youd see it from his point of view