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NetNerdsRevenge
01/16/05, 04:40 PM
How many TDs did Manning have?

still_life
01/16/05, 04:52 PM
Looks like I was wrong. There really isn't much to say about this game (Manning wise that is). Speaking of Manning, was he even in this game? I don't remember seeing him much. Another year, another playoff game where Manning didn't play bad at all, Edge didn't do shit, they dropped 6 passes, they didn't protect well even when NE was only rushing 2 or 3 guys, and when their defense couldn't get off the field, and allowed over 200 yards rushing. It's the same thing every year. They need to draft 7 defensive players.

sundaysetsashes
01/16/05, 04:53 PM
blame it all on everything but manning. thats what he would do

sundaysetsashes
01/16/05, 04:54 PM
none because he wins superbowls in november. the rest is just a formality. seriously. how many TD passes did he have when it should of been backup QB-junk time?

still_life
01/16/05, 04:57 PM
blame it all on everything but manning. thats what he would do

How about you try and name one or two reasons why he should have been blamed for today's loss?

sundaysetsashes
01/16/05, 05:02 PM
its all psychological. yes the NE defense played well and the WR didnt step up. but he has so many weapons. its in his head why he cant beat them, same as the eagles 4 year slide against the NYG.

still_life
01/16/05, 05:07 PM
Psychological? You must be joking. Give me a real football reason, not some garbage like that. There was no one to throw to deep, hardly anyone to throw to period. And if he did deliver a throw, they dropped it. He made smart plays all game, the rest of the team just didn't step up.

Drew Beringer
01/16/05, 05:14 PM
The blame goes to everyone in the Colts organization. The defense couldn't stop the run, Edge didn't do one thing, Colts recievers were invisible, Manning didn't have a bad game (turnover wise), but he had a very average game, and when that happens, the Colts aren't gonna win. Give credit were credit is due, New England just rose up to the occasion and Indy didn't.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/16/05, 05:14 PM
blame it all on everything but manning. thats what he would do

To Mannings credit, he had over 200 yards. There was a lot of dropped passes and two fumbles. Their D didnt do much to stop the run and gave up big 3rd down plays.

Credit to the pats defense. Never did I think they would hold the colts to 3 points. Manning had no where to throw, they came up big on 3rd down, and they held James to 40 something yards. Belichick is a genius. That guy knows how to get to Manning...even with a hurt secondary. It'll be interesting to see what he has in store for next week.

still_life
01/16/05, 05:19 PM
Edge almost never does anything in the playoffs. Go look at a post of mine in the 6 page thread for proof of that. Manning made smart throws and wise decisions all game. If it wasn't open or he was going to get sacked, he threw it away. He didn't force anything until the last play, where he just threw it up for the hell of it. The completion percentage was pretty good even with all the drops. The receivers weren't doing anything after they caught it. They had a decent amount of yardage on offense considering how long they had the ball, but it wasn't enough. The defense really didn't show up today, and they were the biggest reason for losing this game. Bigger than the two fumbles I think.

aminorthreat55
01/16/05, 06:36 PM
Damn right the Pats won. Never a doubt in my mind they wouldn't. Teddy Bruschi kicked some ass out there with those two fumble recoveries.

failedminus
01/16/05, 07:44 PM
manning is 100% grade A FAEG!

still_life
01/16/05, 08:14 PM
Considering Tom Brady is the most homosexual quarterback in history, that comment is invalid.

ohlookitspaul
01/16/05, 08:16 PM
hahaha

FinchBulldog2
01/16/05, 08:22 PM
I went to this game and it was fuckin sweet. Eat your words Vanderjagt.
54 37 28 <sick games.


Edit. Honestly it wasn't Manning's fault. His receivers were dropping everything. The Pats D is too sick.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/16/05, 09:05 PM
Considering Tom Brady is the most homosexual quarterback in history, that comment is invalid.

Have you seen his wife?

still_life
01/16/05, 09:15 PM
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2004/07/08/1089299726_3776.jpg

Is that her? Please, that's mediocre. Where's her body at? Brett Favre's a redneck and his wife is better looking than that. Mmm, women in their 30's. Too bad she has cancer.

And I forgot about Jeff Garcia for gay QBs. Though my friend was telling me this week there was some story about him and his Playboy playmate girlfriend. That makes no sense. Jeff Garcia looks like a 35 year old wigger with AIDS. He shouldn't have someone in playboy as his girlfriend.

EnderDove
01/16/05, 09:42 PM
This game just helps make the old cliche things more and more true. To win you have to be able to run the ball which lets you control the clock and play defense. NE did that, Indy didnt. That simple, you can go deeper into it but NE controlled the game and didnt let Manning run his offense.

still_life
01/16/05, 09:46 PM
If those things are actually true, then Pittsburgh should win next week. They're the #2 rushing offense, the #1 defense, and #1 in time of possession.

yeat182
01/16/05, 10:09 PM
How about you try and name one or two reasons why he should have been blamed for today's loss?

not scoring any touchdowns. not being able to move the ball on a crippled secondary. he's supposedly the best QB in the league and he couldn't figure out how to beat the 2 undrafted rookies and a WR in the secondary?

yeat182
01/16/05, 10:10 PM
Psychological? You must be joking. Give me a real football reason, not some garbage like that. There was no one to throw to deep, hardly anyone to throw to period. And if he did deliver a throw, they dropped it. He made smart plays all game, the rest of the team just didn't step up.


there were like 6 drops out of 40 some odd passes, that really isn't much of an excuse.

yeat182
01/16/05, 10:11 PM
Considering Tom Brady is the most homosexual quarterback in history, that comment is invalid.

dude, don't be a sore loser and start throwing out comments like that...you're better than that.

yeat182
01/16/05, 10:12 PM
If those things are actually true, then Pittsburgh should win next week. They're the #2 rushing offense, the #1 defense, and #1 in time of possession.

based on how the pats and steelers played this week though, the steelers shouldnt' have a chance...(it should be a great game though)

still_life
01/16/05, 10:18 PM
Oh look, of course the person that doesn't understand what they see when they watch football has found all kind of supposed faults.

not scoring any touchdowns. not being able to move the ball on a crippled secondary. he's supposedly the best QB in the league and he couldn't figure out how to beat the 2 undrafted rookies and a WR in the secondary? there were like 6 drops out of 40 some odd passes, that really isn't much of an excuse.

It's hard to score when your trusty receivers are fumbling when you're driving. And a lot of those 6 drops came on 3rd down conversions that could have continued the drive too. 27 of 42 is pretty good for any game, and 33 of 42 is really good. I don't see the point there. He was throwing well. And there was way too much hype on this crippled secondary all week. Ty Law has been out for 2 and a half months. They haven't had Poole in a long time either, and they've still been winning. You're blaming him for not being able to beat those no-namers, well no one else has besides Miami. Last time I checked NE was #2 in scoring defense, so it isn't easy to put up points on them. Manning played pretty well, the rest of the team didn't, and if you're going to try and keep up an argument that Manning played another terrible playoff game and costed his team victory, then you really have some biased issues.

The team actually played better in the AFC title game last year than this game, I think. Even with the 5 turnovers, botched punt for a safety, and all the other mistakes they had, they at least had the ball longer than 22 minutes and scored 14 points and lost by 10 points.

still_life
01/16/05, 10:21 PM
"It's my new favorite receiver!" - Tom Brady. Need I say more?

You can't base the way the teams played this weekend for how they'll be next week. The Colt's defense probably played their worst game of the year. They might not have gave up 45 points and 600 yards, but they were on the field forever, and let a ton of 3rd down conversions be successful and a lot of big rushing plays. The Steelers won't do that. I think they can pound it on NE and play them the same way NE played Indy today. Only thing you have to worry about is the passing game for the Steelers.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/16/05, 10:22 PM
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2004/07/08/1089299726_3776.jpg

Is that her? Please, that's mediocre. Where's her body at? Brett Favre's a redneck and his wife is better looking than that. Mmm, women in their 30's. Too bad she has cancer.

And I forgot about Jeff Garcia for gay QBs. Though my friend was telling me this week there was some story about him and his Playboy playmate girlfriend. That makes no sense. Jeff Garcia looks like a 35 year old wigger with AIDS. He shouldn't have someone in playboy as his girlfriend.

Are you kidding? She has a great body. You wish you could get a girl like that.

still_life
01/16/05, 10:25 PM
You could get some time in jail for having 13 year old girls with better bodies than that. So that is his wife?

NetNerdsRevenge
01/16/05, 10:37 PM
haha, I dont know what you're looking at.

http://www.universofilmes.hpg.ig.com.br/wallpapers/w/b_moynahan.jpg

Im pretty sure thats his wife....maybe fiance. Either way he is one lucky man.

still_life
01/16/05, 10:40 PM
Forbidden link.

All of these famous atheltes are lucky. They can have just about anyone.

selftitled85
01/16/05, 10:46 PM
you say brady is the most homosexual quarterback but i dont see anyone out there doing what he does better. you guys all say in the two minute drill you would want manning. i would pick brady. in both super bowls he has led final second drives to win. he also did it against the raiders three yrs ago too. he is overall better under pressure than manning.

also on the pats secondary. for months they have been playing with the patchwork secondary. these guys were ready to play the colts its just no one gave them hope.

still_life
01/16/05, 10:52 PM
Considering Manning is under pressure all game, every week, and he still sets a lot of records, he is the better QB under pressure. Brady has the defense and special teams that can bail him out of any game at any time. Most quarterbacks don't have that luxury, and Manning sure doesn't. When he doesn't score, the 29th ranked defense is coming onto the field.

still_life
01/16/05, 10:54 PM
No one expected this game to play out like it did. There's no way anyone was thinking there was only going to be a couple field goals on the board at halftime. I thought it was going to be more of a slight shootout, or a game similar to week 1. I guess the weather had an effect on that. I thought NE's offense was going to take big chunks of yardage against the Colt defense, but even worse they just took huge chunks off the clock.

still_life
01/16/05, 10:56 PM
Manning's career post-season passer rating is over 6 points higher than Brady's, by the way. Though I'm sure if you looked at the turnover ratio for the teams in those games, NE's is much much higher.

fluke182
01/17/05, 03:14 AM
Looks like I was wrong. There really isn't much to say about this game (Manning wise that is). Speaking of Manning, was he even in this game? I don't remember seeing him much. Another year, another playoff game where Manning didn't play bad at all, Edge didn't do shit, they dropped 6 passes, they didn't protect well even when NE was only rushing 2 or 3 guys, and when their defense couldn't get off the field, and allowed over 200 yards rushing. It's the same thing every year. They need to draft 7 defensive players.
4 dropped passes and they rarely ran. Manning played alright, but no enough to win. The MVP should win the game on his own. That's why the Patriots are a better team, player for player they are a better team, coach for coach they are a better team. Its the bottom line, and Still Life is just full of bullshit excuses, but he can eat them for this game.

fluke182
01/17/05, 03:16 AM
It's quite sad Still Life, even though the Colts got owned, you can't admit the Patriots are just a better team. They thoroughly beat the Colts, it might as well have been 48-10, that was about as close as it really was. It's really sad that you are such a biased, foolish individual. But oh well, I'll laugh my ass off all the way to our 3rd Super Bowl in 4 years. Have fun with being a bandwagon jumper sucker. The best team always wins, which explains why the Patriots always win.

failedminus
01/17/05, 05:05 AM
Considering Tom Brady is the most homosexual quarterback in history, that comment is invalid.

yeah he's banging bridget moynahan. real gay you tool

yeat182
01/17/05, 07:52 AM
Oh look, of course the person that doesn't understand what they see when they watch football has found all kind of supposed faults.



It's hard to score when your trusty receivers are fumbling when you're driving. And a lot of those 6 drops came on 3rd down conversions that could have continued the drive too. 27 of 42 is pretty good for any game, and 33 of 42 is really good. I don't see the point there. He was throwing well. And there was way too much hype on this crippled secondary all week. Ty Law has been out for 2 and a half months. They haven't had Poole in a long time either, and they've still been winning. You're blaming him for not being able to beat those no-namers, well no one else has besides Miami. Last time I checked NE was #2 in scoring defense, so it isn't easy to put up points on them. Manning played pretty well, the rest of the team didn't, and if you're going to try and keep up an argument that Manning played another terrible playoff game and costed his team victory, then you really have some biased issues.

The team actually played better in the AFC title game last year than this game, I think. Even with the 5 turnovers, botched punt for a safety, and all the other mistakes they had, they at least had the ball longer than 22 minutes and scored 14 points and lost by 10 points.

the played better in the opening game of the season than they did yesterday.

yeat182
01/17/05, 07:53 AM
"It's my new favorite receiver!" - Tom Brady. Need I say more?

You can't base the way the teams played this weekend for how they'll be next week. The Colt's defense probably played their worst game of the year. They might not have gave up 45 points and 600 yards, but they were on the field forever, and let a ton of 3rd down conversions be successful and a lot of big rushing plays. The Steelers won't do that. I think they can pound it on NE and play them the same way NE played Indy today. Only thing you have to worry about is the passing game for the Steelers.

i'm just saying, if we based it on how they played this week, you'd have to pick NE as the favorite. i don't think pittsburg played their best game against the jets, i know they are better than that, but if they played like that again, they'll lose.

yeat182
01/17/05, 07:56 AM
Considering Manning is under pressure all game, every week, and he still sets a lot of records, he is the better QB under pressure. Brady has the defense and special teams that can bail him out of any game at any time. Most quarterbacks don't have that luxury, and Manning sure doesn't. When he doesn't score, the 29th ranked defense is coming onto the field.

brady was under pressure the entire game, manning faced very little pressure. manning has had great protection all year, you said so yourself in a different thread, talking about how he is the best at picking up the blitz, not getting sacked, etc. etc. etc....dont' change your story now.

yeat182
01/17/05, 07:58 AM
No one expected this game to play out like it did. There's no way anyone was thinking there was only going to be a couple field goals on the board at halftime. I thought it was going to be more of a slight shootout, or a game similar to week 1. I guess the weather had an effect on that. I thought NE's offense was going to take big chunks of yardage against the Colt defense, but even worse they just took huge chunks off the clock.

Merrill Hodge on the ESPN matchup show said he was expecting there to be 90 points scored between the 2 teams...and everyone else in the country talked all week about how there we going to be no way the crippled NE secondary would be able to slow down the Colts. not only did the slow them down, they should have shut them out if Eugene Wilsion held on to that pick. funny how the one guy that actually did his job well was the "idiot" kicker.

yeat182
01/17/05, 08:02 AM
Manning's career post-season passer rating is over 6 points higher than Brady's, by the way. Though I'm sure if you looked at the turnover ratio for the teams in those games, NE's is much much higher.

that is because he's played 2 games against denver in which they blew them out and the broncos played zero defense. without those games, he has a terrible rating. the most fair way to do it is toss out the highest and lowest ratings for both QBs, then find the average of the remain games.

yeat182
01/17/05, 08:06 AM
Manning's career post-season passer rating is over 6 points higher than Brady's, by the way. Though I'm sure if you looked at the turnover ratio for the teams in those games, NE's is much much higher.

hows that working out for him?

EnderDove
01/17/05, 08:28 AM
I would just like to state that Tom Brady is overrated. Seriously, he is a very good QB but not the great one that everyone thinks he is. Its sad to see people bow down just becaue he has two SB rings because of a great head coach, reliable receivers and a outstanding defense.

Like I said...he's good, but I hope most of you agree that when they start comparing him to Montana that its just insane, he still makes several bad reads and will always be just a good QB and nothing special. Sad thing is like I said, all anyone looks at is how many rings you have which is ridiculous.

yeat182
01/17/05, 08:30 AM
I would just like to state that Tom Brady is overrated. Seriously, he is a very good QB but not the great one that everyone thinks he is. Its sad to see people bow down just becaue he has two SB rings because of a great head coach, reliable receivers and a outstanding defense.

Like I said...he's good, but I hope most of you agree that when they start comparing him to Montana that its just insane, he still makes several bad reads and will always be just a good QB and nothing special. Sad thing is like I said, all anyone looks at is how many rings you have which is ridiculous.

if anyone is over-rated, its manning. 49 TD's got him what? absoltuely nothing and a shut out for the divional playoff game.

and brady and montana are remarkably similar, even in the style in which they throw. (montana had reliable recievers inlcuding the best one to ever play the game, a great head coach and an outstanding defense as well.)

failedminus
01/17/05, 08:32 AM
I would just like to state that Tom Brady is overrated. Seriously, he is a very good QB but not the great one that everyone thinks he is. Its sad to see people bow down just becaue he has two SB rings because of a great head coach, reliable receivers and a outstanding defense.

Like I said...he's good, but I hope most of you agree that when they start comparing him to Montana that its just insane, he still makes several bad reads and will always be just a good QB and nothing special. Sad thing is like I said, all anyone looks at is how many rings you have which is ridiculous.

the rings are all that matters retard

EnderDove
01/17/05, 11:18 AM
You call me a retard because you say the rings are all that matters....how long have you been watching football dumbass?

To say the rings are the only thing that matters shows how pathetic football is becoming, everyone just wants a ring and if you dont have one you arent anything special. Bullshit and you obviously are one of the morons that have become the typical football fans.

yeat182
01/17/05, 11:29 AM
You call me a retard because you say the rings are all that matters....how long have you been watching football dumbass?

To say the rings are the only thing that matters shows how pathetic football is becoming, everyone just wants a ring and if you dont have one you arent anything special. Bullshit and you obviously are one of the morons that have become the typical football fans.


that is how every sport is. the goal is to win the championship, anything else is irrelevant. would you prefer everyone on the field plays for individual achievements? i don't want NFL to turn into the NBA...

NetNerdsRevenge
01/17/05, 11:32 AM
To say the rings are the only thing that matters shows how pathetic football is becoming
Why do you think they play the game? What do you play for every year? What does every football player ultimately want? Even Manning agrees his record is nice, but a superbowl win would complete it.

EnderDove
01/17/05, 11:49 AM
Did you read what I said?

I said that its wrong to RATE AND JUDGE players on how many rings they have. Go back and read it, this time pull the head out and look. I never said anything about rings not meaning anything to players and that they're not going for them, but to rate players on how many rings they have despite their talent is whats wrong.

still_life
01/17/05, 12:15 PM
4 dropped passes and they rarely ran. Manning played alright, but no enough to win. The MVP should win the game on his own. That's why the Patriots are a better team, player for player they are a better team, coach for coach they are a better team. Its the bottom line, and Still Life is just full of bullshit excuses, but he can eat them for this game.

6, and why run when Edge wasn't doing anything? The MVP can't win the game on his own when his receivers aren't getting open, aren't catching, and aren't protecting the ball. He's not Vick, so he can't pull it down and run 50 yards. I already said NE is the better team many times. Indy just has the better offense. Pittsburgh will win next week, so cancel your plans for the SB.

i'm just saying, if we based it on how they played this week, you'd have to pick NE as the favorite. i don't think pittsburg played their best game against the jets, i know they are better than that, but if they played like that again, they'll lose.

I hope NE is the favorite, because the Steelers will be more pumped up for the game then. You don't play as well when you're the favorite. The only thing that was really hurting them in that game was the passing offense. They'll fix the special teams problem (they fucking better). Everything else went pretty well. The defense was amazing.

brady was under pressure the entire game, manning faced very little pressure. manning has had great protection all year, you said so yourself in a different thread, talking about how he is the best at picking up the blitz, not getting sacked, etc. etc. etc....dont' change your story now.

Manning faced little pressure? I swear you don't watch these games and just make things up. He had a lot of pressure even when they weren't rushing that many people. Like I just said in the other thread, the offensive line that played so good all year all of a sudden collapsed yesterday. There was one series yesterday where he could have been sacked 3 plays in a row. It was bad.

still_life
01/17/05, 12:22 PM
but to rate players on how many rings they have despite their talent is whats wrong.

That's what a lot of idiots like to do. If you're talking about individual players, that should never come up. You can't win the SB unless you have a team. Any offense in the playoffs could have their way with Indy's defense. But of course the dumbasses here can't see that. People here have such twisted views that I'm sure yeat182 thinks Manning completely blew the game and Tom Brady single-handedly won the game, stopped world hunger, and cured cancer at the same time. Tom Brady didn't have to do anything yesterday but dink and dunk passes against the 29th ranked defense. Manning had almost no time on the field to work with, no running game, and his most trusty receiver was Edge for little gains. Tom Brady never has to worry about single-handedly winning games, especially playoff games. Someone should gather the turnover ratio for his 7 playoff games. I'm sure it'd be something like +15. They can beat teams with defense and special teams.

Don't disgrace Montana by comparing him to a guy that should be remembered as that shitty 6th round quarterback that was on NE for 2 championships.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/17/05, 12:33 PM
Did you read what I said?

I said that its wrong to RATE AND JUDGE players on how many rings they have. Go back and read it, this time pull the head out and look. I never said anything about rings not meaning anything to players and that they're not going for them, but to rate players on how many rings they have despite their talent is whats wrong.


pipe down, no one is saying different. I took one sentence from your post and responded to it. Its not pathetic that a ring matters....its why you play. If you played in the NFL you would want the same thing. If Manning never wins a ring he is still going to make the hall of fame and still be considered one of the best QB's to play the game.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/17/05, 12:45 PM
I hope NE is the favorite, because the Steelers will be more pumped up for the game then. You don't play as well when you're the favorite.

That's not going to affect the Pats. They'll prepare for the game just like any other..belichick will come up with good defensive scheme and the best team will win.

selftitled85
01/17/05, 12:48 PM
to base a players achievements on rings i justifiable. what made montana so good? when the title is on the line he never made a mistake and led his team to victory.

why is it brady wins big games? he is huge when he has to. he is not gonna risk throwing a bad pass giving the other team the chance to score. he will check down to his third option just to keep the ball rolling.

also to say that brady has great receivers is hilarious. all of bradys receivers would be second or even third option receivers on other teams. the only one that wouldnt be is david patten.

i like to compare the pats to the yankees of 96-00. no one on the yanks team hit for huge home runs. no one stole 40 bases and all the pitchers averaged 12-15 wins. besides jeter no one really got a lot of press. they played as a team and ruled. even the 00 team that won more games than any team ever wasnt all that impressive in stats. i think only two or three people eclipsed 30hrs. they made the small plays that they needed to win games. the patriots do all the small things correct and leads them to victory while the colts dont. its that simple.

still_life
01/17/05, 12:56 PM
That's not going to affect the Pats. They'll prepare for the game just like any other..belichick will come up with good defensive scheme and the best team will win.

Sure didn't happen the first time. I don't think they were giving the Steelers a fair chance that day. They paid for it.

Montana was good because he consistently had good numbers, and was on a dynasty team with SF in the 80's.

why is it brady wins big games? he is huge when he has to. he is not gonna risk throwing a bad pass giving the other team the chance to score. he will check down to his third option just to keep the ball rolling.

His team wins big games for him. All he does is manage them, just like yesterday. He didn't win the AFC Championship game in 2001. Special teams, defense, and Bledsoe did. Brady's in a very lucky position that a lot of more skilled QBs wish they could be in.

the patriots do all the small things correct and leads them to victory while the colts dont. its that simple.

The Colts try winning games with half a team. It's that simple really.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/17/05, 01:46 PM
Sure didn't happen the first time. I don't think they were giving the Steelers a fair chance that day. They paid for it.

Which is more reason for it not to happen again. You really think New England is going to walk on that field expecting to beat the Steelers just like they did the Colts? No, they remember what happen last time and they want pay back. Its going to be a hard fought game on both sides.

EnderDove
01/17/05, 02:40 PM
The Pats dont care if they're favored by 5 or 50, they do an excellent job of ignoring it duing the week, keeping their mouths shut and playing football.

the rog
01/17/05, 02:47 PM
brady ran an offense that was on the field for an almost 2-1 ratio of game time over manning. that means that he did the right thing, called the right plays (a lot of them were audibles, and manning gets so much credit for doing the same thing) ran 3 drives THREE DRIVES of 14 plays or more. that's unheard of. he did everything that was necessary to win.

you calling him gay is just an example of you being a sore loser.

edit: and you realize that in week 8 when the pats lost to the steelers, they only ran the ball 6 times, right? 6 times!!!!!!! that's what corey dillon does.

did you see the steelers almost lose to the jets? THE FREAKING JETS!!!!!!!! The pats are going to dominate. you can take peyton manning's dick out of your mouth for long enough to acknowledge that.

still_life
01/17/05, 03:39 PM
Brady didn't win the game, he managed it with dinky passes against the 29th ranked defense. Corey Dillon and even Faulk had big plays all day, because the Colt's defense is weak and couldn't tackle them. They kept drives going by breaking tackles with the running game.

I know what Corey Dillon does to the Steelers. Average less than 70 yards/game in 13 games. Pittsburgh's rush defense is far superior to Indy's. He's not going to be breaking tackles and dodging defenders like he did against a crap defense. The Steeler's defense held 9 team's top back under 60 yards this year. They'll dominate the line of scrimmage, and Corey Dillon will not be a big factor.

The Jets were lucky to even be in the situation to win that game. Pittsburgh's defense dominated them all game and held them to 3 points. They got their lucky TDs (just like NE did three years ago) on special teams and a poorly covered INT return. The Steelers were able to move the ball well, but they had the turnovers at costly times. They can dominate the ground game and the clock, and play NE just like NE played Indy yesterday.

the rog
01/17/05, 08:44 PM
corey dillon's 13 games against the steelers have come with the bengals.

remember, he's been playing for 8 years and just this year finally broke the 1600 yard barrier, i think that the team he's on influences the effectiveness of his rushes.

still_life
01/17/05, 09:00 PM
He's had big games with Cincy in his career. He had the single game record before Jamal Lewis broke it. The point is, the Steelers are very familiar with him, and they are physical enough to tackle him. He will not break 100 yards.

yeat182
01/17/05, 09:08 PM
He's had big games with Cincy in his career. He had the single game record before Jamal Lewis broke it. The point is, the Steelers are very familiar with him, and they are physical enough to tackle him. He will not break 100 yards.


he's also played on the worst team in the league, who played from behind and had to throw the ball to try to win, and he still managed to be in the pro bowl and have the most yards ever in one game at the time...

still_life
01/17/05, 09:12 PM
Your point? He's not going to have a big game.

yeat182
01/17/05, 09:14 PM
Your point? He's not going to have a big game.

my point is his 13 games against pittsburg were with cincinati, the worst team in the league and this one is with the patriots, the best team in the league.

still_life
01/17/05, 09:17 PM
Just because he's with a different team doesn't mean his abilities are enhanced. He's still the same RB they've faced 13 times. Only thing different is the line, a line which isn't that special, and not as physical as Pittsburgh's defense will be. No one runs well on the Steelers this year, and he won't be any different. And the Steelers are the best team in the league right now.

yeat182
01/17/05, 09:19 PM
Just because he's with a different team doesn't mean his abilities are enhanced. He's still the same RB they've faced 13 times. Only thing different is the line, a line which isn't that special, and not as physical as Pittsburgh's defense will be. No one runs well on the Steelers this year, and he won't be any different. And the Steelers are the best team in the league right now.

you are really grasping at straws now, aren't you?

still_life
01/17/05, 09:30 PM
Are you not even trying anymore because you know the Pat's season is coming to an end?

The rushing leader, Curtis Martin, couldn't break 80 in two games against Pittsburgh. After 3 straight 100 yard games by him, Fred Taylor couldn't break 80 on them. Jamal Lewis, a bigger and stronger back than Dillon (the kind that can have the most success against Pittsburgh) couldn't even get past 30 yards last time. And he only got 62 the first time. McGahee didn't break 80. What makes you think Corey Dillon is going to do so well? The Steelers will focus on stopping him, because they aren't worried about Tom Brady trying to beat them with his group of 10 no-name receivers. They'll shut down the run and try to make Brady beat them.

selftitled85
01/17/05, 10:01 PM
barber broke 80 on them. steelers are overrated. pats are underrated. that said i think its an equal match up. if ben bounces back from his horrible game vs the jets the steelers could win. brady is almost inhuman during the playoffs. at times he is just plain sick. i see him playing a lot better then he did in the reg season game. the pats have a d that i think matches the steelers o. the pats d line and lbs are big quick and physical. the steelers o line and the bus are big quick and physical as well. if the pats can keep bettis in check and keep ben from making plays its in the bag. i see the pats winning 20-13.

still_life
01/17/05, 10:25 PM
Barber was under 80. He had a great year though, as he led the league in yards from scrimmage. And of course you picked out the worst game for the Steelers, defensively, for the season.

steelers are overrated. pats are underrated.

And you wonder why people hate fans of Boston teams. Comments like that are a classic example. NE didn't go 15-1 like the Steelers did. They also didn't come close to beating them when they played this year. Steelers are the better team this season. Brady didn't do a damn thing in his first playoff game against Pittsburgh. In fact we knocked him out of it, and NE had a punt return TD, blocked FG TD, 3 INTs, and the Steelers still only lost by 7 points. Seymour won't be there for NE, making the running game easier. So what if you hold Bettis back? They still have Duce, Verron, and Willie to run. Burress has a huge height advantage against the whole secondary, and supposedly Belichick cares more about Ward. The Steelers could have a good game deep if Big Ben is in the zone. I think he will bounce back from this past week, and I just think it was the Jets being a team he's not good against, and the pressures of his first playoff start. It'll be a close game, but I do think the Steelers are destined to go all the way this year. They don't know how to lose this season. Even when they give the game away, they still come out with a win.

yeat182
01/18/05, 10:12 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050118

selftitled85
01/18/05, 01:45 PM
Barber was under 80. He had a great year though, as he led the league in yards from scrimmage. And of course you picked out the worst game for the Steelers, defensively, for the season.



And you wonder why people hate fans of Boston teams. Comments like that are a classic example. NE didn't go 15-1 like the Steelers did. They also didn't come close to beating them when they played this year. Steelers are the better team this season. Brady didn't do a damn thing in his first playoff game against Pittsburgh. In fact we knocked him out of it, and NE had a punt return TD, blocked FG TD, 3 INTs, and the Steelers still only lost by 7 points. Seymour won't be there for NE, making the running game easier. So what if you hold Bettis back? They still have Duce, Verron, and Willie to run. Burress has a huge height advantage against the whole secondary, and supposedly Belichick cares more about Ward. The Steelers could have a good game deep if Big Ben is in the zone. I think he will bounce back from this past week, and I just think it was the Jets being a team he's not good against, and the pressures of his first playoff start. It'll be a close game, but I do think the Steelers are destined to go all the way this year. They don't know how to lose this season. Even when they give the game away, they still come out with a win.



im not a boston fan. im a yanks and a giants fan. but i feel for the pats. they play their hearts out every week. always getting tabbed to finally be dethroned cuz they just arent good enough and each week they come out and beat up teams. who cares seymour is out. they still held james to what, 30 yds and made him fumble. pitt has physical receivers ill give them that. but ne has a lot more momentum and a lot more to prove. everyone is saying this is pitts yr, this is the game that will make or break the pats dynasty.

selftitled85
01/18/05, 01:46 PM
and that article sums it up perfectly

im a yankee fan and i still find everything this guy writes hilarious.

NetNerdsRevenge
01/18/05, 07:43 PM
Are you not even trying anymore because you know the Pat's season is coming to an end?

The rushing leader, Curtis Martin, couldn't break 80 in two games against Pittsburgh. After 3 straight 100 yard games by him, Fred Taylor couldn't break 80 on them. Jamal Lewis, a bigger and stronger back than Dillon (the kind that can have the most success against Pittsburgh) couldn't even get past 30 yards last time. And he only got 62 the first time. McGahee didn't break 80. What makes you think Corey Dillon is going to do so well? The Steelers will focus on stopping him, because they aren't worried about Tom Brady trying to beat them with his group of 10 no-name receivers. They'll shut down the run and try to make Brady beat them.

Johnson ran for 123. It can be done.

still_life
01/19/05, 07:31 AM
im not a boston fan. im a yanks and a giants fan. but i feel for the pats. they play their hearts out every week. always getting tabbed to finally be dethroned cuz they just arent good enough and each week they come out and beat up teams. who cares seymour is out. they still held james to what, 30 yds and made him fumble. pitt has physical receivers ill give them that. but ne has a lot more momentum and a lot more to prove. everyone is saying this is pitts yr, this is the game that will make or break the pats dynasty.

James is a finesse runner, the Steelers are power runners. Pittsburgh also has a lot more to prove than NE does.

Johnson ran for 123. It can be done.

That was in week 4. The Steeler's defense is lights out all the way. They only allowed one 300 yard passer this year, and that was Gannon in week 1, when no one knew they'd have this kind of season. In fact they've only allowed 5 out of 17 quarterbacks go over 200 yards on them this year. Corey Dillon will be taken away from them. Though with the weather forecast, this game might just come down to both teams running the ball. Advantage Pittsburgh. It might be 15 degrees and snowing at game time.

the rog
01/19/05, 08:24 AM
you also have to remember that the steelers just barely pulled out 2 or 3 games against mediocre teams down the line (and i'm not talking about the jets or the bills.)

selftitled85
01/19/05, 12:03 PM
you also have to remember that the steelers just barely pulled out 2 or 3 games against mediocre teams down the line (and i'm not talking about the jets or the bills.)


the pats did too. barely beating the jets and they lost to the dolphins. but i still give the pats advantage.

yeat182
01/19/05, 12:43 PM
the pats did too. barely beating the jets and they lost to the dolphins. but i still give the pats advantage.

when did we barely beat the jets? '02?

still_life
01/19/05, 02:20 PM
you also have to remember that the steelers just barely pulled out 2 or 3 games against mediocre teams down the line (and i'm not talking about the jets or the bills.)

They won them didn't they? Losing to Miami on national TV is a lot worse than games that were "barely pulled out". The Steelers can win the close games, and Roethlisberger already has 6 game winning drives in the 4th quarter/OT in his career. He's the #1 passer in the 4th quarter this season.

still_life
01/19/05, 02:21 PM
when did we barely beat the jets? '02?

Probably talking about hanging on to a 6 point lead for half the game.

selftitled85
01/19/05, 02:25 PM
when did we barely beat the jets? '02?


first game with the jets you won 13-7

yeat182
01/19/05, 07:43 PM
first game with the jets you won 13-7

yeah, but the game wasn't close.

still_life
01/19/05, 08:17 PM
It was a 6 point game for 30 minutes. That automatically means it's close.