Hardcore Thread (Official Thread) 2

[matthewpaul]

dicuss everything pertaining to the genre of hardcore here.

[summer skin]

ah1x5dRgqsw

[ThemChains]

Why is Shai Hulud still a band?

[Czarsy]

Post.

[NEP633]

wat happen?

[ThemChains]

wat happen?


The old thread got archived because it got to 5000 posts.

[NEP633]

o jam.

[WakingTheMisery]

Why is Shai Hulud still a band?

Milking the cash cow. They still put on a good live show.

New Cruel Hand is awesome.

[matthewpaul]

that it is

[ThemChains]

Milking the cash cow. They still put on a good live show.

New Cruel Hand is awesome.

I feel like they are bastardizing their past work.

[WakingTheMisery]

I thought the new album was essentially the same as the past work. My brother had music choice on and I wasn't paying attention and said, "What is this, Shai Hulud?" Turns out it was.

[mht]

W5qi-9lO4Ro


what a fucking amazing band.

[WakingTheMisery]

W5qi-9lO4Ro


what a fucking amazing band.

Fuck yes. I picked up a shit ton of their stuff at Vintage Vinyl about a year ago. The guys there didn't want to part with the albums.

[mht]

Fuck yes. I picked up a shit ton of their stuff at Vintage Vinyl about a year ago. The guys there didn't want to part with the albums.


How much did they charge you?

[summer skin]

W5qi-9lO4Ro


what a fucking amazing band.
Didn't expect you to like this band.
Love em.

[mht]

Didn't expect you to like this band.
Love em.


Why not?

[Czarsy]

Fuck yes. Ink and Dagger is one of the best bands ever.

[Czarsy]

Didn't expect you to like this band.
Love em.

Why would someone not like Ink and Dagger?

[summer skin]

Why not?
Would have thought they were too gimmicky, what with the whole vampire makeup and such...

[ThemChains]

I thought the new album was essentially the same as the past work. My brother had music choice on and I wasn't paying attention and said, "What is this, Shai Hulud?" Turns out it was.

I'm not liking it nearly as much as Hearts Once Nourished With Hope And Compassion and A Profound Hatred Of Man...this could be time spent...but I don't like the new vocalist as much, and the production is super slick. I'm not against very produced albums, I just don't like it for them.

[ThemChains]

Why would someone not like Ink and Dagger?

This, and then I realized I know like 10 people who don't.

[WakingTheMisery]

How much did they charge you?

Not that much really. I think maybe $13 or so for the LP's. Maybe a little bit more.

[Mikeyx1230]

Anyone like UK Hardcore?

There are some pretty good bands right now, like Dirty Money, More Than Life, The Steal etc.

[ThemChains]

Didn't Dirty Money just do a split with Trapped Under Ice?

[matthewpaul]

Didn't Dirty Money just do a split with Trapped Under Ice?
mhm

[ThemChains]

I don't get the hype...around Trapped Under Ice.

[matthewpaul]

eh I like 'em. not hyping the fuck out of them though.

[SickOfStars]

TUI is pretty cool, but I don't find myself wanting to listen to them more than a few songs at a time... basically the myspace player usually satisfies me.

Hour of the Wolf is awesome. Has discussion on them already played itself out to the point where everyone's sick of talking about 'em?

[ThemChains]

eh I like 'em. not hyping the fuck out of them though.

Their hype in the VA/MD area is fucking outrageous.

[ThemChains]

TUI is pretty cool, but I don't find myself wanting to listen to them more than a few songs at a time... basically the myspace player usually satisfies me.

Hour of the Wolf is awesome. Has discussion on them already played itself out to the point where everyone's sick of talking about 'em?

The only discussion put in so far, is that they are well received in these parts.

[SickOfStars]

Their hype in the VA/MD area is fucking outrageous.

folks up here are pretty stoked on them... or at least their t-shirts.

[ThemChains]

folks up here are pretty stoked on them... or at least their t-shirts.

Haha, I just traded the one with the guys face made of weed leaves to this dude. He is swinging from their nuts real hard.

[SickOfStars]

Haha, I just traded the one with the guys face made of weed leaves to this dude. He is swinging from their nuts real hard.

LOL.

The image of anyone swinging from a nutsack is so comedically satisfying on a deep and primal level of absurdity.

[Colorblind!]

That was well put.

I like the stuff I've heard off the Hour of the Wolf split, but I forget who it was with.
Wait, I think it was Lewd Acts.

Also, if anybody could help me out and give me Cruel Hand, I would like you.

[nicgiovanni]

i saw trapped under ice. all they did was say "******" a lot. they're so overhyped and fucking idiots.

the newest thing i've liked as far as "hardcore" is probably pissed jeans or get rad.

i'm going to see fucked up when they play phillyyy. kinda stoked about that.

[nicgiovanni]

oops, forgot. they made homophobic slurs a lot, we'll just say that.

[boogygirl17]

i like Melodic Hardcore. bands like a wilhelm scream. And i want to know what other bands that are like them with out screaming the whole time.
Any suggestion?

[boogygirl17]

That was well put.

I like the stuff I've heard off the Hour of the Wolf split, but I forget who it was with.
Wait, I think it was Lewd Acts.

Also, if anybody could help me out and give me Cruel Hand, I would like you.
I love hour of the wolf. You should listen to "power of the wolf" by hour of the wolf. Its pretty good.

[nicgiovanni]

i like Melodic Hardcore. bands like a wilhelm scream. And i want to know what other bands that are like them with out screaming the whole time.
Any suggestion?

bane?

good clean fun?

modern life is war?

[ThemChains]

bane?

good clean fun?

modern life is war?

Of the bands mentioned, they are my favorite. Midnight in America was good.

[Czarsy]

i saw trapped under ice. all they did was say "******" a lot. they're so overhyped and fucking idiots.

the newest thing i've liked as far as "hardcore" is probably pissed jeans or get rad.

i'm going to see fucked up when they play phillyyy. kinda stoked about that.
I'm a big fan of TUI.

Pissed Jeans rule.

I'll see you at the Fucked Up show.

[Danny Schme]

bane?

good clean fun?

modern life is war?

that voice, bothers me for some unknown reason. That band itself isn 't bad though

[mht]

welp time to stop listening to Hour of the Wolf now that pedophile skramz kids that make bad music finally jumped on the bandwagon


fuck my life.

[matthewpaul]

hahahahahaha.

[mht]

lol at Get Rad being a relevant hardcore band


YAY SCENE UNITY BLAH BLAH DONT SUPPORT A BAND LIKE LORDS WHO PISSES ON THEIR FANS AND ME WHEN I WAS IN SINCE BY MAN OPENING UP FOR UNDEROATH BLAH BLAH BLAH


posers and a half.

[YourFalseHope]

i like Melodic Hardcore. bands like a wilhelm scream. And i want to know what other bands that are like them with out screaming the whole time.
Any suggestion?

you mean stuff like Atreyu? or Five Finger Death Punch? or Sky Eats Airplane?

[YourFalseHope]

double post

[llwilliamsll]

(Lone) Wolf & Cub (http://www.myspace.com/wolfncub)
?

[Danny Schme]

you mean stuff like Atreyu? or Five Finger Death Punch? or Sky Eats Airplane?

no. check the post someone quoted him with listing a few bands.

[mht]

(Lone) Wolf & Cub (http://www.myspace.com/wolfncub)
?



good band but I wouldn't consider them hardcore really.

[nicgiovanni]

I'm a big fan of TUI.

Pissed Jeans rule.

I'll see you at the Fucked Up show.

pissed jeans is great. i'm excited about the fucked up show.

lol at Get Rad being a relevant hardcore band


YAY SCENE UNITY BLAH BLAH DONT SUPPORT A BAND LIKE LORDS WHO PISSES ON THEIR FANS AND ME WHEN I WAS IN SINCE BY MAN OPENING UP FOR UNDEROATH BLAH BLAH BLAH


posers and a half.

lol at you for assuming i give a rats ass whether they're relevant or not.

i don't even know who since by man is, thanks.

also, i have to laugh at anyone who actually uses the term "poser". that's like saying someone or a band is "pretentious". how elitist and quite cliche of you.

[mht]

band hops on trends

metalcore was cool in 2002 (coma eternal, sincebyman) so they did that, now its shitty hardcore.

[boogygirl17]

you mean stuff like Atreyu? or Five Finger Death Punch? or Sky Eats Airplane?
i don't like atreyu or five finger death punch.
I never listened to sky eats plane

[YourFalseHope]

i don't like atreyu or five finger death punch.
I never listened to sky eats plane


you prolly wont like them. kinda like atreyu with a synth line

[nicgiovanni]

band hops on trends

metalcore was cool in 2002 (coma eternal, sincebyman) so they did that, now its shitty hardcore.

hmm. ok. but i don't follow trends? i just listen to what i think sounds good and i like get rad.

i listened to since by man, not my thing, but they certainly don't like sound stereotypical metalcore ala norma jean, unearth, etc etc.

either way, i like get rad, and i also like lords. i could careless about being hip or "with it", which is something you seem a bit to concerned about. it's one thing to not like a band, but to not like them because they hop on a trend, whatever.

[mht]

was a joke, in regards to the funny Lords/Get Rad story ala Dudefest this summer. Lighten up.

[ThemChains]

Lords>other bands discussed in the last 5 or so posts.

[matthewpaul]

never really listened to lords. was that the band that had their own show on fuse?

[GuitarR0cker1]

I have hard time deciding between getting some Refused or Converge. Should I get the Shape Of Punk To Come or Jane Doe?

[mht]

lords do have some hilarious stories on their myspace. I'd love to tour with them

[ThemChains]

I have hard time deciding between getting some Refused or Converge. Should I get the Shape Of Punk To Come or Jane Doe?

CD? I would imagine so, you don't just decide to buy Jane Doe vinyl off hand.

[SwiftSilentDead]

Does Bleeding Through count as hardcore? I was going to mention something about them in the metal thread but figured it was the wrong place.

Anyway, their new album is pretty sweet. Much, much better than The Truth.

[mht]

this thread is off to quite the pathetic start

[GuitarR0cker1]

CD? I would imagine so, you don't just decide to buy Jane Doe vinyl off hand.
Yeah CD, I would probably have trouble finding it at my Hastings so I might get it from Amazon.

[SwiftSilentDead]

this thread is off to quite the pathetic start

Let's kick it up a notch then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQimMnRvCVs

[matthewpaul]

this thread is off to quite the pathetic start

bunch of new people

[ThemChains]

Yeah CD, I would probably have trouble finding it at my Hastings so I might get it from Amazon.

Just buy 'em both.

[SwiftSilentDead]

I'm more of a Converge fan so my vote goes to Jane Doe.

If you like that then get either No Heroes or You Fail Me next.

[mht]

Harvest = ?

[ThemChains]

I'm more of a Converge fan so my vote goes to Jane Doe.

If you like that then get either No Heroes or You Fail Me next.

I would vote to get their back catalogue first.

[SwiftSilentDead]

If that's the case, then get Petitioning The Empty Sky.

That album destroys.

For anyone that wants proof, see this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_rz7gZiJkg

[llwilliamsll]

The Bronx? I really suck at classifying anything beyond post-rock (lolol).

[TheBaroness]

new Trap Them album up for pre-order

/cue Mike's ire

[nicgiovanni]

Does Bleeding Through count as hardcore? I was going to mention something about them in the metal thread but figured it was the wrong place.

Anyway, their new album is pretty sweet. Much, much better than The Truth.

Bleeding Through suck and having always sucked. Brandon should have quit making music after the first 18V album. And 18V should have broken up after the first album. Vanity blew dick. Nothing will ever beat....."AND NOW WE SAY GOODBYE...WHO KILLED JOHNNN LENNNNONNN!?".

Just buy 'em both.

BACKED.

I would vote to get their back catalogue first.

I would vote every Converge album ever made. Haha. I know a ton of people though who hated "You Fail Me" and "No Heroes", but I loved both albums. Converge can do no wrong in my book.

[SickOfStars]

welp time to stop listening to Hour of the Wolf now that pedophile skramz kids that make bad music finally jumped on the bandwagon


fuck my life.

you showed me that band.

will you please just come off it already? seriously.

[ThemChains]

Bleeding Through suck and having always sucked. Brandon should have quit making music after the first 18V album. And 18V should have broken up after the first album. Vanity blew dick. Nothing will ever beat....."AND NOW WE SAY GOODBYE...WHO KILLED JOHNNN LENNNNONNN!?".



BACKED.



I would vote every Converge album ever made. Haha. I know a ton of people though who hated "You Fail Me" and "No Heroes", but I loved both albums. Converge can do no wrong in my book.

I thoroughly enjoy all Converge albums.

[parallelism]

the newest thing i've liked as far as "hardcore" is probably pissed jeans or get rad.

bane?

good clean fun?

modern life is war?


If anybody's into Bane or Get Rad, they're playing together Saturday in Milwaukee. Outbreak's not playing even though they're on tour with Bane, dunno the reasoning. My band's playing too, come by and say hi!

[parallelism]

lol at Get Rad being a relevant hardcore band


YAY SCENE UNITY BLAH BLAH DONT SUPPORT A BAND LIKE LORDS WHO PISSES ON THEIR FANS AND ME WHEN I WAS IN SINCE BY MAN OPENING UP FOR UNDEROATH BLAH BLAH BLAH


posers and a half.


Do you know them?
I'm willing to bet you wouldn't say any of that if you did.

Not about them being relevant (who is a relevant hardcore band now?), but the rest of it.

[flynn92]

Triviiummm

[mht]

Do you know them?
I'm willing to bet you wouldn't say any of that if you did.

Not about them being relevant (who is a relevant hardcore band now?), but the rest of it.


for the 3rd time to all the fucking idiots in this thread:


Wednesday, June 25, 2008



On Tour! - Pissing on the audience! - New Record!
Hi all,

1. So we're on tour right now...sorry for getting the memo out late...the dates are posted on the myspace site...NYC has been updated with current information too..

2. It was recently brought to my attention that there is some sort of controversy over a urination incident that happened in Covington Ky a couple of years ago.

As we arrive at Dude Fest and are unloading our gear out back, we're approached by a couple of people asking me if I had pissed on some one....apparently the band Get Rad (who were currently playing on stage) were shit talking us on stage...something about scene unity and how they didn't piss on their fans like "some other band who's playing later, and their name rhymes with swords..."

Anyway, this is all second hand information to me...so I don't know verbatim what was said...but here is what REALLY happened in Covington that day:

-The line up was, in order: Russian Circles, Lords, Since By Man and Daughters.

-There were about 15 people in attendance.

-I had had a really shitty day, the details of which are interesting but irrelevant to this story. Alexis, the singer from daughters, was also not enjoying himself for a variety of reasons.

- Before the Daughters set Alexis asked me to do something fucked up to him while they were playing....I ask him if I can pee on him, he says "yeah, just piss in my hands".

- At some part of one of their songs when Alexis doesn't sing I get up on stage, pull my dick out, Alexis gets on his knees and cups his hands...then I piss in his hands....Alexis then proceeds to throw the piss accumulating in his hands on the audience...

- about 10 or so of the maybe 15 people watching run out of the way...but a hand full of teenage boys up front are in to it and cheer on.

This is exactly what happened.

Apparently one of the members of Get Rad was also in Since By Man, and got pee on him that night....and this is what their Dude Fest stage bantor (and from what I hear some stupid kiddy internet message board soap opera also) was about...I don't see what the big deal is...haven't you punk rockers seen Hated?

Why homeboy from Get Rad/Since By Man didn't confront me or Alexis in person two years ago when this happened and we were all in the same room together...I don't know. Because that's what I would have done if I had a problem with something some one did...but that's just me...what the fuck do I know about anything anyway.

To be clear, I did not piss on any member of the audience. I pissed on my friend who gave me permission to piss on him. Alexis want's to make sure that he gets the credit for the "so not cool" deed of throwing the piss on the audience...after all, he is the wild and crazy guy...I'm just a christian hating asshole.

So dude from Get Rad, and anyone else who's still sore about getting pee on them and wants to file a back dated complaint can send it to Alexis from Daughters...I'm sure he will be very sympathetic to your cause and write you a long sincere apology letter.

3. "Fuck All Yall Mother Fuckers" is finally almost out...when ever stan can get the templates for the layout to open then we can get a release date...which should be in august. Check out the Black Market Activities web site for details

[mht]

I cannot believe how many stupid fucking people there are in this forum



Moral: Lords rules. Get Rad sucks.

[-Aaron-]

This thread is in a sad state right now.

[mht]

This thread is in a sad state right now.


I already said this.


I also love when that kids trendy hardcore band opens up for a more known hardcore act he dick rides the shit out of them before even playing the show. Hilarious.

[nicgiovanni]

I cannot believe how many stupid fucking people there are in this forum



Moral: Lords rules. Get Rad sucks.

i like both bands. enough said.

i don't care about stupid dramarama or whats cool or trendy or whatever. music is music.

i think you're too worried about "scene politics". like that fact that you care that when some little dumb hardcore band plays with a bigger hardcore, they "ride that band's" dick.

i'm trying to be confrontational...i'm just saying you're far to worried about petty shit.

[nicgiovanni]

i like both bands. enough said.

i don't care about stupid dramarama or whats cool or trendy or whatever. music is music.

i think you're too worried about "scene politics". like that fact that you care that when some little dumb hardcore band plays with a bigger hardcore, they "ride that band's" dick.

i'm NOT trying to be confrontational. i'm just saying you're far to worried about petty shit.

FIXED.

[mht]

I care about when another band points out the stupidity of one band trying to fuel drama. But I guess that is what Hardcore is about in 2008. Scene unity and the dislike of bands that like to have fun.

[nicgiovanni]

I care about when another band points out the stupidity of one band trying to fuel drama. But I guess that is what Hardcore is about in 2008. Scene unity and the dislike of bands that like to have fun.

no dude, i think that's two bands involved in stupid shit out of how many millions of other hardcore bands out there?

this is hardcore. there is always drama and stupid, ridiculous shit in hardcore. always has been. "scene unity" is a ridiculous term and idea as well. because there are so many different types of hardcore and so many different hardcore scenes all over the world fueling millions of different perspectives. you really can't the ENTIRE hardcore scene unified.

i don't care what get rad says about lords. or their scene unity bullshit. i like their music. that's all. i'll even go out on a limb and say i like lords a lot more. they're way more musically advanced than get rad, thats for for.

just don't get caught up in the dumb shit. this is why i am not into hardcore anymore. because it got to be too...ridiculous. not to mention all the tough guy-macho posi boy bullshit. i can only hear the word "gay" or "f a g" so often before i start to get annoyed.

[ElBullEsMuerto]

Face it its been over and dead for years. All the good bands broke up 15 years ago and the bands that are that old are just doing it for a paycheck. when it did come back to life around 2000 it came back with stroke like symptoms then immediatly died when people started putting little prefixes in front of the core. And when did it become the rule for everyone involved in hardcore to be straight edge? Cro-mags? used to drop acid before shows. Murphey's Law? used to Smoke dust in Tompkins Square Park before going to CB's. I'm not an advocate of either but I would like to have a smoke and a pint while checking out one of my favorite bands without some 19 yr old kid who tells me he's been Edge for 9 years trying to fight me

[matthewpaul]

"dramarama".....

[nicgiovanni]

Face it its been over and dead for years. All the good bands broke up 15 years ago and the bands that are that old are just doing it for a paycheck. when it did come back to life around 2000 it came back with stroke like symptoms then immediatly died when people started putting little prefixes in front of the core. And when did it become the rule for everyone involved in hardcore to be straight edge? Cro-mags? used to drop acid before shows. Murphey's Law? used to Smoke dust in Tompkins Square Park before going to CB's. I'm not an advocate of either but I would like to have a smoke and a pint while checking out one of my favorite bands without some 19 yr old kid who tells me he's been Edge for 9 years trying to fight me

oh jesus, not this shit. this is the same thing as someone saying punk is over and has been dead for years. hardcore, punk, indie rock, underground rock changes all the time. to deny that we don't live in constant flux, to deny that every form of music can change or progress(not in every case) is complete bullshit. i don't want to hear about your glory days. sorry.

punk will never die and neither will hardcore. if you don't like what you are hearing now, maybe that's telling you something...that this music, this sound, this band or that band, is for this generation.

oh and the cro-mags fucking sucked. so did murphy's law. and fuck minor threat. fugazi was way better. 90% of the old bands were just boring. except for black flag. and redd krossssss. and the germs.

"dramarama".....

yah. and?

[wewascontenders]

the jonbenet?

[nicgiovanni]

the jonbenet?

haha. i do like that song, but i wasn't thinking of the jonbenet. i always say that. it's just funny.

but i do like the jonbenet.

[Colorblind!]

Fuck Get Rad and Lords. I dont care about urination.

I'm listening to Shipwreck right now and Abyss is fucking great.

Also, Swamp Thing's LP is fantastic.

[wewascontenders]

haha. i do like that song, but i wasn't thinking of the jonbenet. i always say that. it's just funny.

but i do like the jonbenet.

i haven't listened to them in forever, maybe i'll change that, but i just remembered they had a song by that name.

[nicgiovanni]

Fuck Get Rad and Lords. I dont care about urination.

I'm listening to Shipwreck right now and Abyss is fucking great.

Also, Swamp Thing's LP is fantastic.

don't tell me the horizon harbors better days...

sooo good. i haven't heard swamp thing, my friend says to check them out. i'm so out of the loop with hardcore.

i haven't listened to them in forever, maybe i'll change that, but i just remembered they had a song by that name.

they have a new album coming out apparently. i haven't listened to them in awhile, but i still like them a lot. they piss a lot of people off. haha.

[ElBullEsMuerto]

dude first off I'm 22. I just think hardcore in general has grown stale all though there are a few good bands out now I just think with a style of music so tightly defined and structered(sp) it has basically gone as far as it can

[Colorblind!]

don't tell me the horizon harbors better days...

sooo good. i haven't heard swamp thing, my friend says to check them out. i'm so out of the loop with hardcore.

Squall! Song is so good.
but yeah, swamp thing is sweet. www.myspace.com/swampthingrva
I reccomend getting the Youth is Sick if you like what you hear.

[nicgiovanni]

dude first off I'm 22. I just think hardcore in general has grown stale all though there are a few good bands out now I just think with a style of music so tightly defined and structered(sp) it has basically gone as far as it can


hahahaha. i'm not even going to say anything...but why the fuck are you trying to sound like you've been through hardcore's "glory days".

and i don't think it's tightly defined or structured at all. it's a lot like punk.

i mean, shit, from what i read, you had bands like butthole surfers, husker du, etc...and none of those bands sounded like say deep wound or agnostic front or fucking minor threat.

ugh. this conversation gets old everytime. i don't care what you or any other motherfucker thinks about hardcore not being as "good as it used to be" or "not relevant" or "never going anywhere".

the spirit, ethics, etc will never die. same with punk. indepedent/underground music will always be there.

[parallelism]

I already said this.


I also love when that kids trendy hardcore band opens up for a more known hardcore act he dick rides the shit out of them before even playing the show. Hilarious.

Get the fuck over yourself, dude. I didn't ride anybody's dick. I don't even like Bane that much and honestly didn't even put much effort into getting out of work for this show. However, I'd like to have at least one show in Milwaukee this month have a halfway decent turnout. I've seen Wisconsin kids in this forum and it'd be cool to see one of them at a show.

For the record, I don't even like my band that much and I certainly don't give a shit whether or not you do either. I don't know why you think it's such a burn when you attempt to call me out on my band being trendy. It's funny and it's what I've come to expect from you; you're just some cynical, flatbrim-wearing message board kid with a septum piercing. Time to realize you're just 21 and too young to think you're some jaded hardcore dad.

About Get Rad, I know them personally, and I was saying that if you knew them personally, you probably wouldn't say any of those things about them. Fuck Sincebyman, but honestly, who gives a fuck about drama between other bands? Tools like you, that's pretty much it.

And did I even say anything about Lords? No. I like them too and couldn't care less about whatever the shit is that they post in their myspace bulletins.


I cannot believe how many stupid fucking people there are in this forum
Moral: Lords rules. Get Rad sucks.

And that includes you. You miss the point of nearly every post you quote from anybody. You're just some overly sensitive joke who tries to flex his dick the only way he knows how - online and behind an alias. And it's obvious just by looking at your post count. The only reason you notice all the "stupid shit" people say is that you completely ignore the bottom lines of any statement anybody else makes.

[mht]

and kids like you are why this genre sucks today

[parallelism]

and kids like you are why this genre sucks today

Ouch.

But at least I'm not a pioneering wannabe elitist who bitterly turns away from every rational idea that belongs this genre or scene (and only to parade around, flaunting and fueling all the tabloid bullshit that shouldn't even exist here).

[Colorblind!]

and kids like you are why this genre sucks today
that was unnecessary.

[-Aaron-]

How the hell you got the new Swamp Thing? From everyone I've talked to thats heard the new LP has only great things to say.

[Colorblind!]

Crap, there's a new swamp thing?
I meant The Youth Is Sick, I thought it was their only release, therefore their newest haha.

[Czarsy]

ITT: Big babies and drama queens.

[AussieBoy]

carpathian - isolation

hardcore record of the year

[nonamesleft]

Would He Is Legend be classified as "hardcore?"

I'm terrible at genres. :-(

[seems]

thts a real nice video there!

[mht]

New Bring Me the Horizon album being compared to Suicide File and Modern Life is War by the holy grail of hardcore kids:

http://theb9.com/viewtopic/517146


they must be right.

[nicgiovanni]

Would He Is Legend be classified as "hardcore?"

I'm terrible at genres. :-(

He Is Legend are fucking terrible. They're the worst band live. They'll always have one "hit" song, "I Am Hollywood" and even that song wasn't that great. When they did play it live, they acted like such dicks about playing that song and their other stuff from that album.

Turning your backs on the people that got you there in the first place is such bullshit. I'm all for new music and experimenting and shit, but they blow.

New Bring Me the Horizon album being compared to Suicide File and Modern Life is War by the holy grail of hardcore kids:

http://theb9.com/viewtopic/517146


they must be right.

WHOA. really? BMTH is such shit. Their lead singer is the biggest fucking moron. And he looks fucking stupid. I hear he treats women like shit too. Fuck them.

[xGlassxxOnionx]

Anyone like Stick To Your Guns?

or are they not considered hxc?

[Czarsy]

They are not considered good.

Because they fucking suck.

[nicgiovanni]

They are not considered good.

Because they fucking suck.

BACKED.

[mht]

WHOA. really? BMTH is such shit. Their lead singer is the biggest fucking moron. And he looks fucking stupid. I hear he treats women like shit too. Fuck them.


I was intrigued by people making a Suicide File/Modern Life is War (as I like both bands) comparison, so I had to listen, even from unbiased account for just the music itself and not for their image/backstory/prior work I still do not hear said comparisons. I must be getting old, I don't know. I just found it weird/odd. Seems like it would be a style for them that would lose their "stereotypical" fan base, use that term loosely so you don't make fun of me for "scene unity" again.

[PDon11]

Listening to new Reign Supreme for the first time right now.

Pretty generic but enjoyable.

Is it just me or is it really easy to predict where a song by most hardcore bands is gonna go?

[ThisIsNotDan]

thread was an enjoyable read

[xGlassxxOnionx]

They are not considered good.

Because they fucking suck.

good to know. -.-

[mht]

Listening to new Reign Supreme for the first time right now.

Pretty generic but enjoyable.

Is it just me or is it really easy to predict where a song by most hardcore bands is gonna go?

has got to be the worst band going in Philly currently.

Let Down is a close second.

[SwiftSilentDead]

They are not considered good.

Because they fucking suck.

Quoted for troof.

[AreTwoKay]

New Bring Me the Horizon album being compared to Suicide File and Modern Life is War by the holy grail of hardcore kids:

http://theb9.com/viewtopic/517146


they must be right.
i believe they are saying that god awful band is ripping off mliw and suicide file

[ThisIsNotDan]

any good melodic hardcore recs?

[SwiftSilentDead]

Kid Dynamite
Strike Anywhere
Lifetime
Good Riddance
88 Fingers Louie
Comeback Kid
7 Seconds
A Wilhelm Scream

[xGlassxxOnionx]

Death Before Dishonor ?

[mht]

any good melodic hardcore recs?


http://www.myspace.com/makedoandmend

[mht]

i believe they are saying that god awful band is ripping off mliw and suicide file

ripping off would mean they are being talked about as sounding like mliw and suicide file. thus being compared, even though in an almost negative way.

[wewascontenders]

http://www.myspace.com/makedoandmend

<<<< what this man said. ^^^^^^^

[ThisIsNotDan]

http://www.myspace.com/makedoandmend

have you recced them before? their name sounds familiar.

[nicgiovanni]

I was intrigued by people making a Suicide File/Modern Life is War (as I like both bands) comparison, so I had to listen, even from unbiased account for just the music itself and not for their image/backstory/prior work I still do not hear said comparisons. I must be getting old, I don't know. I just found it weird/odd. Seems like it would be a style for them that would lose their "stereotypical" fan base, use that term loosely so you don't make fun of me for "scene unity" again.

hahahaha. smart ass.

has got to be the worst band going in Philly currently.

Let Down is a close second.

BACKED.

reign supreme blow. along with wisdom in chains, i think it is?

i hate that shit.

[PDon11]

has got to be the worst band going in Philly currently.

Let Down is a close second.


Their fans as predictable as their music?

[mht]

Their fans as predictable as their music?

University City jocks the shit out of those bands, as some of the members have went to Drexel. All those kids are a dime a dozen. It's rough walking around that area. I'd rather take my chances on Broad St at 1 am then bumping into uptight white kids that feel they are tougher, better and above everyone else.

[ThemChains]

Reign Supreme blows. And I'm not going to listen but there is no way in hell that Bring Me The Horizon could possibly sound like Suicide File/Modern Life Is War.

carpathian - isolation

hardcore record of the year

No.

[ThemChains]

University City jocks the shit out of those bands, as some of the members have went to Drexel. All those kids are a dime a dozen. It's rough walking around that area. I'd rather take my chances on Broad St at 1 am then bumping into uptight white kids that feel they are tougher, better and above everyone else.

Hey we've got a Broad St. in Richmond, except it's all frat bros and VCU basketball players.

[mht]

Hey we've got a Broad St. in Richmond, except it's all frat bros and VCU basketball players.


Broad St in Philly is like polar opposite in each direction. lol, it's kind of funny.

[ThemChains]

Broad St in Philly is like polar opposite in each direction. lol, it's kind of funny.

Like everywhere here, half of Broad St. is rich people and the other half is the slummiest place on planet Earth.

[mht]

there needs to be more rapes/muggings in the Broad St part of Temple University


also more rapes/muggings in Drexel, those kids deserve it.

[ThemChains]

Double shooting on Broad St. on Saturday night. That's how we roll.

[mht]

i dont wish for shootings on those people. death would be to easy/free pass. I a good mean muggin or a rape on those bastards that they survive from will suffice.

[ThemChains]

i dont wish for shootings on those people. death would be to easy/free pass. I a good mean muggin or a rape on those bastards that they survive from will suffice.

Their still alive, just hospitalized. The story goes that the two muggers told them to give up all their stuff, and the guy and girl put their stuff on the ground, and as the muggers bent down to pick it up, the guy kneed the one with the gun in the face. He proceeded to shoot them both, and then run.

[matthewpaul]

Broad St in Philly is like polar opposite in each direction. lol, it's kind of funny.

that's what my stepdad said when he dropped me off at the ministry. he told me not to wander off too much or id regret it.

[nonamesleft]

He Is Legend are fucking terrible. They're the worst band live. They'll always have one "hit" song, "I Am Hollywood" and even that song wasn't that great. When they did play it live, they acted like such dicks about playing that song and their other stuff from that album.

Turning your backs on the people that got you there in the first place is such bullshit. I'm all for new music and experimenting and shit, but they blow.


..So, no they're not hardcore?

Rec me some good stuff then, smartass.

[Czarsy]

Fuck that shit. I go to Temple. That cop that got shot last week was three blocks from campus.

Broad Street isn't really bad until you get north of Temple. South Broad is pretty much safe all the way down.

[Czarsy]

Also, Let Down rules, even if they are assholes hahaah.

[Czarsy]

that's what my stepdad said when he dropped me off at the ministry. he told me not to wander off too much or id regret it.

What ministry?

[mht]

City Hall is a good divider for Broad St. One side is safe and the other side is like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

[Anderson]

I'm not liking it nearly as much as Hearts Once Nourished With Hope And Compassion and A Profound Hatred Of Man...this could be time spent...but I don't like the new vocalist as much, and the production is super slick. I'm not against very produced albums, I just don't like it for them.I'm not keen on the new album. I only listened to it a couple of times and I've not played it since. Some of the new songs sounded reasonably good live though.

Anyone like UK Hardcore?

There are some pretty good bands right now, like Dirty Money, More Than Life, The Steal etc.Your Demise, Dead Swans, Fast Point, Honour Among Thieves.

I have hard time deciding between getting some Refused or Converge. Should I get the Shape Of Punk To Come or Jane Doe?I'd go for Refused, but then again I'm not a big fan of Converge. I don't mind some of their early stuff, but I don't like Jane Doe or No Heroes.

any good melodic hardcore recs?Ambitions
Crime In Stereo
H2O


carpathian - isolation

hardcore record of the yearI like it. It's a bit of a change of sound from their previous efforts, less metal sounding, but AOTY no way.

[tipoftheiceberg]

If anybody's into Bane or Get Rad, they're playing together Saturday in Milwaukee. Outbreak's not playing even though they're on tour with Bane, dunno the reasoning. My band's playing too, come by and say hi!

Bane
Outbreak
Cruel Hand
On

next week
can't wait

[Anderson]

Bane
Outbreak
Cruel Hand
On

next week
can't wait
I'm not keen on Outbreak, fortunately they pulled out of the As Friends Rust tour earlier this year, but the rest of that show looks grea. Bane are awesome live.

[nicgiovanni]

Fuck that shit. I go to Temple. That cop that got shot last week was three blocks from campus.

Broad Street isn't really bad until you get north of Temple. South Broad is pretty much safe all the way down.

one less fucking cop.

have you heard the story about the 14 year old black kid that was shot? by an ex cop/pizza delivery guy. and the ex cop got away with it.

they haven't covered the story at all. and made it seem like he was a "thug".

[mht]

My ex goes to Drexel and they sent out a campus email over the summer warning people of a black dude robbing girls with a screwdriver at night, and he targets females walking alone, to be careful, up in the Spring Garden 36th Street range.


I laughed lol.

[Czarsy]

one less fucking cop.

have you heard the story about the 14 year old black kid that was shot? by an ex cop/pizza delivery guy. and the ex cop got away with it.

they haven't covered the story at all. and made it seem like he was a "thug".

Haven't heard it, but I definitely believe it.

[matthewpaul]

What ministry?

broad st ministry where Hoods and Wisdom In Chains played the day before PA Hardcore Fest

[Czarsy]

broad st ministry where Hoods and Wisdom In Chains played the day before PA Hardcore Fest

Oh. You would have to go pretty far from there to get into a bad neighborhood.

[matthewpaul]

Oh. You would have to go pretty far from there to get into a bad neighborhood.

yeah I figured. I love downtown philly. its amazing.

[Colorblind!]

..So, no they're not hardcore?

Rec me some good stuff then, smartass.

They're not hardcore. I listened to this band in grade 8 and used to be a big fan, so don't worry. You can recover.
There has probably been enough bands mentioned but if you don't feel like reading back, listen to some of the more popular/huped bands like Have Heart, Shipwreck AD, Killing the Dream, Outbreak, Trash Talk, Verse, Ceremony, Paint It Black, Ruiner, Bracewar, Swamp Thing, Cruel Hand, and the like. All are good places to start in my opinion.

[Colorblind!]

Also, Let Down rules, even if they are assholes hahaah.

backed

[Colorblind!]

carpathian - isolation

hardcore record of the year

I really enjoy this CD, but I doubt it will crack the top 50.

EDIT: How the fuck do I multiquote? 1,000 posts and I still don't know how to multiquote.

[wewascontenders]

lol @ let down

[Colorblind!]

You dislike them?

[DilesMavis]

erase!

[wewascontenders]

You dislike them?

sooo bad, and such douchebags.

[Colorblind!]

sooo bad, and such douchebags.

douchebags, from what I've heard I agree.
I've been listening to them a little bit on myspace and it sounds good to me, but I doubt I would ever pick up the CD.

[mht]

do you guys ever get tired of saying/reccin the same 10 new jack hardcore bands? That is a serious question.

ever want to rec anything hardcore prior to the year 2006? or anything outside the box? Just a thought.

Whenever a user comes in and asks for recs, same users mention the same 10 fucking bands. Have Heart, Swamp Thing, Paint It Black, Verse, Trash Talk, Outbreak, blah blah blah blah. The genre is definitely much bigger/better than that community of bands. Just saying.

[Colorblind!]

do you guys ever get tired of saying/reccin the same 10 new jack hardcore bands? That is a serious question.

ever want to rec anything hardcore prior to the year 2006? or anything outside the box? Just a thought.

Whenever a user comes in and asks for recs, same users mention the same 10 fucking bands. Have Heart, Swamp Thing, Paint It Black, Verse, Trash Talk, Outbreak, blah blah blah blah. The genre is definitely much bigger/better than that community of bands. Just saying.

I specifically said to get started for that reason particularly. Those bands are good places to start because they're the 10 most popular bands in hardcore right now. I just figured it would help him get into something that is not He Is Legend. Being that I've only listened to hardcore for a good 3 months, I don't know how you expect me to know much more then these yet.

But I would enjoy some recs from you, if you will!

[nonamesleft]

They're not hardcore. I listened to this band in grade 8 and used to be a big fan, so don't worry. You can recover.
There has probably been enough bands mentioned but if you don't feel like reading back, listen to some of the more popular/huped bands like Have Heart, Shipwreck AD, Killing the Dream, Outbreak, Trash Talk, Verse, Ceremony, Paint It Black, Ruiner, Bracewar, Swamp Thing, Cruel Hand, and the like. All are good places to start in my opinion.

I just need some simple, basic hardcore stuff. Nothing that will make me want to kill myself/others. This will be good?

[Colorblind!]

I just need some simple, basic hardcore stuff. Nothing that will make me want to kill myself/others. This will be good?

As I said to mht, I think it's a good place to start. Hardcore should never want to make you kill yourself. But it sounds like you want something not too...negative? Listen to Have Heart. They are probably one of the most loved bands in hardcore today.

[nonamesleft]

As I said to mht, I think it's a good place to start. Hardcore should never want to make you kill yourself. But it sounds like you want something not too...negative? Listen to Have Heart. They are probably one of the most loved bands in hardcore today.

What album?

Edit: London?! Awesome!

[Colorblind!]

Songs To Scream At The Sun and The Things We Carry are both great albums. I would recommend them both! =]

and yeah, go London!
I love Ottowa.

[nonamesleft]

Songs To Scream At The Sun and The Things We Carry are both great albums. I would recommend them both! =]

and yeah, go London!
I love Ottowa.

Okay, awesome, I'll check them out. Thanks.

Yeah! I've been to London a few times, I got relatives there. But I'm going to Toronto for Thanksgiving! Which is kinda close to London? Haha.

Ott is pretty decent, nothing great though, lol.

[mht]

simple hardcore = older stuff.


I bet she would enjoy more groovable hardcore bands, not this new hardcore that comes with an image and a style and a way to act while listening to it.

[Colorblind!]

I just have good memories of going there on class trips and shit. Alot of good times to be had!

Toronto, if only I could live there. =[

[tipoftheiceberg]

I've said it a thousand times, Gorilla Biscuits beat every one of these bands

[DilesMavis]

simple hardcore = older stuff.


I bet she would enjoy more groovable hardcore bands, not this new hardcore that comes with an image and a style and a way to act while listening to it.

Such a good point. My first hardcore band I ever listened to, I don't listen to much hardcore though as I'd like, was Minor Threat. I dunno, they really did it for me, can't explain it. 'Good Guys Don't Wear White' was my favorite. So ya, definitely agree...If that's what ya meant anyway.

[Colorblind!]

simple hardcore = older stuff.


I bet she would enjoy more groovable hardcore bands, not this new hardcore that comes with an image and a style and a way to act while listening to it.

then hit her up with some bands to listen to!

[mht]

Such a good point. My first hardcore band I ever listened to, I don't listen to much hardcore though as I'd like, was Minor Threat. I dunno, they really did it for me, can't explain it. 'Good Guys Don't Wear White' was my favorite. So ya, definitely agree...If that's what ya meant anyway.


definitely.

[nonamesleft]

I just have good memories of going there on class trips and shit. Alot of good times to be had!

Toronto, if only I could live there. =[

For sure. It's good not great.

You wanna live in Toronto!? Jeez, not me. But that's probably 'cause I'm there so often.

[nonamesleft]

simple hardcore = older stuff.


I bet she would enjoy more groovable hardcore bands, not this new hardcore that comes with an image and a style and a way to act while listening to it.

Like what?

[Czarsy]

simple hardcore = older stuff.


I bet she would enjoy more groovable hardcore bands, not this new hardcore that comes with an image and a style and a way to act while listening to it.
Because older hardcore didn't have a style or image or anything...

[mht]

Because older hardcore didn't have a style or image or anything...



like what? wear baggy clothes? get the fuck out of here.

[PDon11]

10/18 TRAPPED UNDER ICE,GAINING GROUND (record release show), FORFEIT, IT'S ALIVE, OAK AND BONE, REPTAR @ SUNY ALBANY CHAPEL BUILDING 6 -10pm / $5 for directions go to: http://www.myspace.com/asylumhc (http://www.myspace.com/asylumhc)

Is this show worth going to? I would really only care for Trapped Under Ice and Forfeit

[mht]

10/18 TRAPPED UNDER ICE,GAINING GROUND (record release show), FORFEIT, IT'S ALIVE, OAK AND BONE, REPTAR @ SUNY ALBANY CHAPEL BUILDING 6 -10pm / $5 for directions go to: http://www.myspace.com/asylumhc (http://www.myspace.com/asylumhc)

Is this show worth going to? I would really only care for Trapped Under Ice and Forfeit


go for Oak And Bone and leave for all those other shitty bands.

[PDon11]

go for Oak And Bone and leave for all those other shitty bands.


I just checked them out and it's pretty good.


The only other good show is 10/22 TRASH TALK , ALPHA & OMEGA , CASTING CURSES, INFIDELS, DAMNATION ALLEY @ THE LANDING ZONE.


from Casting Curses myspace - "I'm listening to "Head On Backwards" and this is SO BORING. Why does every hardcore band purposely try to sound like every other hardcore band?"
-Scott Heisel, Alternative Press editor

lol

[Czarsy]

like what? wear baggy clothes? get the fuck out of here.

Youth Crew?
80s hardcore punks?

...

[mht]

Youth Crew?
80s hardcore punks?

...


compared to today..

boston beatdown
new era hats
nike dunk collection
splatter rare vinyl presses
tank tops
shorts
authentics

[mht]

I just checked them out and it's pretty good.


The only other good show is 10/22 TRASH TALK , ALPHA & OMEGA , CASTING CURSES, INFIDELS, DAMNATION ALLEY @ THE LANDING ZONE.


from Casting Curses myspace - "I'm listening to "Head On Backwards" and this is SO BORING. Why does every hardcore band purposely try to sound like every other hardcore band?"
-Scott Heisel, Alternative Press editor

lol


yea Oak and Bone aint band, kind of a 90s revival feel. I figured you might enjoy them.


Scott Heisel is fat, all I gotta say.

[ThisIsNotDan]

hey Mike, this Make Do and Mend band is pretty good. vocalist (or one of them? are there two?) sounds alot like Chuck Ragan. you have any of their albums?

any other good recs?

[mht]

hey Mike, this Make Do and Mend band is pretty good. vocalist (or one of them? are there two?) sounds alot like Chuck Ragan. you have any of their albums?

any other good recs?


http://www.myspace.com/reneeheartfelt

[NEP633]

10/18 TRAPPED UNDER ICE,GAINING GROUND (record release show), FORFEIT, IT'S ALIVE, OAK AND BONE, REPTAR @ SUNY ALBANY CHAPEL BUILDING 6 -10pm / $5 for directions go to: http://www.myspace.com/asylumhc (http://www.myspace.com/asylumhc)

Is this show worth going to? I would really only care for Trapped Under Ice and Forfeit

yes this show is definetly worth it. reptar and gaining ground both good relatively new upstate hardcore. good dudes in both bands.

[NEP633]

I just checked them out and it's pretty good.


The only other good show is 10/22 TRASH TALK , ALPHA & OMEGA , CASTING CURSES, INFIDELS, DAMNATION ALLEY @ THE LANDING ZONE.


from Casting Curses myspace - "I'm listening to "Head On Backwards" and this is SO BORING. Why does every hardcore band purposely try to sound like every other hardcore band?"
-Scott Heisel, Alternative Press editor

lol

lol that dudes a fucking loser. All the members of casting curses go to my college. their playing here tomorrow night in a classroom.

ps. i dont know how to multi quote.

[ThemChains]

I just rec American Nightmare. Not necessarily any better. Listen to Sheer Terror.

[Czarsy]

Listen to Sheer Terror.
Listen to Sheer Terror.
Listen to Sheer Terror.
This.

[nicgiovanni]

Because older hardcore didn't have a style or image or anything...

I know, right? Hahaha.

It def did have an image, that was the point. For hardcore kids to identify with other hardcore kids and for them to be recognized as a force not to be reckoned with.

Shaved heads, bandannas, chains, ripped jeans, combat/work boots, flannel shirts, homemade band t-shirts...

they wanted to be seen as a gang. different. i mean, how else would you explain the whole fucking Seattle thing that happened?

flannel shirts, ripped jeans...loud, angry punk...

black flag meets black sabbath...heavy metal/hard rock meets punk...

there def. has been an image to hardcore ever since it began. read "American Hardcore", if you haven't.

[nicgiovanni]

compared to today..

boston beatdown
new era hats
nike dunk collection
splatter rare vinyl presses
tank tops
shorts
authentics

dude.

atleast everything is colorful now?

and atleast it's not like the 90's where kids listened to Hatebreed and wore jnco jeans + shorts. and they def. wore nikes too. nike is not a new thing.

nike sucks though. FUCK nike. i hate nike. i think hardcore kids should start wearing these...
http://www.costumes.org/history/uafcollection/uafshoes3/Mvc-019f.jpg

[mht]

I am pretty sure more people listen to Hatebreed now than in the 90s. lol


I was talking more of the Supertouch, Into Another, Underdog era.


I am just not a fan of the shit now.

bands doing rec releases for 10 shows on 10 different vinyl variations in the rarest form and the dumbest colors.

rare variations for each summer fest. etc etc

all fucking hype. all stupid. it's to the point where kids don't even go anymore to see the LIVE show. They go their for the merch line to grab the limited stuff then go home.


that's lame.

[Czarsy]

mht complaining about hype and style. Groundbreaking.

[Anderson]

I really enjoy this CD, but I doubt it will crack the top 50.

EDIT: How the fuck do I multiquote? 1,000 posts and I still don't know how to multiquote.Click this button http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/buttons/multiquote_off.gif in the bottom right of each post you want to multi quote before clicking post reply. Job done.

[mht]

czarsy being a 17 year old from Philly and having a shit taste in music. Original.

[x togepi x]

I am pretty sure more people listen to Hatebreed now than in the 90s. lol


I was talking more of the Supertouch, Into Another, Underdog era.


I am just not a fan of the shit now.

bands doing rec releases for 10 shows on 10 different vinyl variations in the rarest form and the dumbest colors.

rare variations for each summer fest. etc etc

all fucking hype. all stupid. it's to the point where kids don't even go anymore to see the LIVE show. They go their for the merch line to grab the limited stuff then go home.

that's lame.


this is probably why i stopped being into hardcore in the first place.

[mht]

this is probably why i stopped being into hardcore in the first place.


glad somebody finally has a functioning brain and agrees unlike the usual fucking idiots that post in this thread.

[NEP633]

kewl.

[Colorblind!]

I am pretty sure more people listen to Hatebreed now than in the 90s. lol


I was talking more of the Supertouch, Into Another, Underdog era.


I am just not a fan of the shit now.

bands doing rec releases for 10 shows on 10 different vinyl variations in the rarest form and the dumbest colors.

rare variations for each summer fest. etc etc

all fucking hype. all stupid. it's to the point where kids don't even go anymore to see the LIVE show. They go their for the merch line to grab the limited stuff then go home.


that's lame.

It sounds like your scene just blows then.
We don't have the best bands play around here, but almost everybody goes to watch the band, it's all about the music. Not the new gear you can buy.

[x togepi x]

It sounds like your scene just blows then.
We don't have the best bands play around here, but almost everybody goes to watch the band, it's all about the music. Not the new gear you can buy.

it's not just his scene. it's a pretty wide ranging problem. i mean here i've seen some local hardcore bands have like a million different shirt designs before they even had an album or toured at all. it's ridiculous, and our hardcore scene is basically just a bunch of people starting out who haven't even reached the status of a band that people would want to be merch whores with. i've been to shows where people pay the cover, walk in, buy merch and then leave. it sucks since i'd think some of the hardcore bands here have a lot of potential, but they probably won't be able to reach it because they're going to be stuck in this ghetto of obsessing over hype bands and not giving a shit about the younger bands.

the uniform aspect he was referring to is especially ridiculous. i've seriously gone to shows where 3/4 of the crowd are wearing the same Have Heart hoodies, and most of the other 1/4 were wearing Cold World shit. it's all hype, hype, hype. i mean i dress like the stereotypical dude in a band (jeans, slightly obscure band shirts etc) but when everyone's wearing the exact same shirts, it's kind of weird.

[Colorblind!]

it's not just his scene. it's a pretty wide ranging problem. i mean here i've seen some local hardcore bands have like a million different shirt designs before they even had an album or toured at all. it's ridiculous, and our hardcore scene is basically just a bunch of people starting out who haven't even reached the status of a band that people would want to be merch whores with. i've been to shows where people pay the cover, walk in, buy merch and then leave. it sucks since i'd think some of the hardcore bands here have a lot of potential, but they probably won't be able to reach it because they're going to be stuck in this ghetto of obsessing over hype bands and not giving a shit about the younger bands.

the uniform aspect he was referring to is especially ridiculous. i've seriously gone to shows where 3/4 of the crowd are wearing the same Have Heart hoodies, and most of the other 1/4 were wearing Cold World shit. it's all hype, hype, hype. i mean i dress like the stereotypical dude in a band (jeans, slightly obscure band shirts etc) but when everyone's wearing the exact same shirts, it's kind of weird.

If I saw someone pay the cover, buy merch, and then leave I would probably have the urge to hit them. That is pathetic. It's true, most bands love having a massive array of shirt designs. I don't necessarily blame them, because that is kind of how they survive on the road, but it should never become about buying a t-shirt. My scene may have a shitty taste in music, but atleast they all care about the music they're into.

I think you should still be able to go to shows and actually have a good time and watch the music you love though, even if most of the people there are perverting hardcore.

[matthewpaul]

If I saw someone pay the cover, buy merch, and then leave I would probably have the urge to hit them. That is pathetic. It's true, most bands love having a massive array of shirt designs. I don't necessarily blame them, because that is kind of how they survive on the road, but it should never become about buying a t-shirt. My scene may have a shitty taste in music, but atleast they all care about the music they're into.

I think you should still be able to go to shows and actually have a good time and watch the music you love though, even if most of the people there are perverting hardcore.

yeah but he's saying he's seen bands that don't tour nor have ever toured with a bunch of shirt designs. yeah I can understand how more mainstream hardcore bands have a lot of shirts at shows because they have to support themselves on tour, but for a local hardcore band who doesn't tour to have that, its really dumb.

[Colorblind!]

yeah but he's saying he's seen bands that don't tour nor have ever toured with a bunch of shirt designs. yeah I can understand how more mainstream hardcore bands have a lot of shirts at shows because they have to support themselves on tour, but for a local hardcore band who doesn't tour to have that, its really dumb.

I get that, I wasn't disagreeing with him at all. Put out an EP before you try and sell me shit.

[x togepi x]

I think you should still be able to go to shows and actually have a good time and watch the music you love though, even if most of the people there are perverting hardcore.

i think this is kind of naive, i don't know many people who can sit there and watch something they love get ruined and just have a good time.

[Colorblind!]

i think this is kind of naive, i don't know many people who can sit there and watch something they love get ruined and just have a good time.

Good thought, I don't know.
I think if you love the band enough, it's worth it. They'll probably appreciate somebody who really cares in the room.

[x togepi x]

Good thought, I don't know.
I think if you love the band enough, it's worth it. They'll probably appreciate somebody who really cares in the room.

well yeah if you already like the band it's not that hard, but it is hard to get into newer bands when the scene is like this because you begin to want less and less involvement with it.

[nicgiovanni]

i guess, i just don't care actually.

i like a lot of newer hardcore bands that i've heard, but mostly, i just don't care anymore.

hardcore is just not what it used to be to me anymore. i just don't get the same enjoyment out of listening to someone yell, scream, holler, or shout about things that just aren't relevant to me.

though, i do still listen to limp wrist. for obvious reasons. hahaha.

[mht]

i guess, i just don't care actually.

i like a lot of newer hardcore bands that i've heard, but mostly, i just don't care anymore.

hardcore is just not what it used to be to me anymore. i just don't get the same enjoyment out of listening to someone yell, scream, holler, or shout about things that just aren't relevant to me.

though, i do still listen to limp wrist. for obvious reasons. hahaha.


That what I was trying to say. I am not old or anything, but even listening to people older then me that liked the genre or watching uploaded videos on youtube and compare it to the bands in the genre presently, it is definitely different. I do not enjoy the fact that bands in this genre need special pressings for Sound and Fury then This is Hardcore then an East Coast Rec release and a West Coast one, then one in fucking Japan, how about Brazil, and it's fucking stupid to the point where kids KNOW the band is printing shit special for that show, they will go there to stand in the merch line, buy whatever is limited before it sells out and then make sure it stays safe so either leave and put in their car or go home and put it in their room to either flip, collect, trade, etc. Nobody is going to stand and watch the rest of a show where kids move around while having to hold/keep safe fucking special colored vinyl out of /50 or a limited shirt for the show. You'd be crazy.

[Colorblind!]

then fuck vinyl.
Just kidding.

I don't know, maybe its because I have no comparison to what it used to be.
But growing up in hardcore right now, I have to say I'm pretty happy with it.

I'd rather be ignorant and content then jaded.

[x togepi x]

That what I was trying to say. I am not old or anything, but even listening to people older then me that liked the genre or watching uploaded videos on youtube and compare it to the bands in the genre presently, it is definitely different. I do not enjoy the fact that bands in this genre need special pressings for Sound and Fury then This is Hardcore then an East Coast Rec release and a West Coast one, then one in fucking Japan, how about Brazil, and it's fucking stupid to the point where kids KNOW the band is printing shit special for that show, they will go there to stand in the merch line, buy whatever is limited before it sells out and then make sure it stays safe so either leave and put in their car or go home and put it in their room to either flip, collect, trade, etc. Nobody is going to stand and watch the rest of a show where kids move around while having to hold/keep safe fucking special colored vinyl out of /50 or a limited shirt for the show. You'd be crazy.

it's totally not the same. generally speaking, the people from the old days come from completely different environments than people in the new days. it's totally becoming (or already become, like i said i'm out of it) a genre for kids in the suburbs, which explains all this super rare vinyl bullshit that you're talking about.

[x togepi x]

then fuck vinyl.
Just kidding.

I don't know, maybe its because I have no comparison to what it used to be.
But growing up in hardcore right now, I have to say I'm pretty happy with it.

I'd rather be ignorant and content then jaded.

i don't want to sound like a dick but, you are 16. I think that is a big part of why you say what you're saying. i wouldn't call it ignorance as much as i'd call it youth. i mean, how long have you been going to shows? i remember when i was younger i was stoked to go to any show ever. the older i got, and the more shows i went to, the higher my standards have become.

i wouldn't call myself jaded, i still average a show a week (not counting the ones i play), but i think there comes a time in people's lives where they start to look at things and go "is this it? shouldn't there be more to this?" especially when you get more educated about the history of hardcore and think about all the cool stuff that was going down in DC during the 80s or jersey-new york in the 90s.

[viva la cymche!]

I wish I could go back to the old Boston Hardcore days. I lived in Boston, but I was too young too know anything about that music.

[DilesMavis]

I saw a Converge shirt in Hot Topic while waiting for my friend who works there to go have lunch. That was strange. Completely random comment that had nothing to do with anything you guys were talking about :P. They didn't sell any though. Usually the bands like Sky Eats Airplane and such only have one left in XXL.

[shit stroll]

i saw fugazi vinyl in hot topic the other day.

[NEP633]

i have gotten kinda of bored with a lot of the new hype bands, granted i actually like a lot of them.this past year i started to listen to a lot of 90's hardcore, especially stuff from my area, and it helps me not get bored. Sucks 95% of them have broken up though. I want to go to the Trial reunion show so bad. It makes me wish i was older/into hardcore in the 90's.

[DilesMavis]

i saw fugazi vinyl in hot topic the other day.

Yeah, I also saw Bad Brains. That was kind of odd. I had to do a double take.

[mht]

Hot Topic holds a lot of Bridge 9/Deathwish Inc releases/bands. They get huge push in that store just as much as the scene bands on Victory, Equal Vision, Rise Records etc etc do, so don't let it fool you really.


One of the guys in the music department at Hot Topic headquarters was in some sort of credible late 90s hardcore band, but I forget which one, needless to say, that's why you see the Minor Threats to Verse shit all over that store now.

Plus that play list is absolutely filled with elitist shit. Last I worked there the rotation was something like Bear Vs Shark, The Ocean, Cult of Luna, Have Heart, Trash Talk... compared to when I started there in 2005 when it was just your run of the mill scenester metalcore jams all the time.


Don't let that place fool you it carries all the shit you guys like just as much as the stuff you hate.

[x togepi x]

here hot topic is like the only store that carries more than like three punk records (unless you feel like way overpaying) which sucks, but it's the midwest so whatever. i've still only heard one good song while being there (the descendants) but that probably has more to do with who's working at the time than anything else.

[mht]

yes, it also has a factor on what kind of employees the store near you has. but trust me their is just as much good music as their is bad. so if you hear shitty music, chances are the employees working have a shitty fucking taste. (or just the manager in charge)

[x togepi x]

oh i know the people who work there and only one of them was into good stuff. or at least that's the way it was the last time i went in.

[Czarsy]

Waaaaah. It isn't 1990 anymore. Waaaaaah. Hardcore is popular. Wah wah wah.

[mht]

second Hot Topic I worked at every male employee was like a carbon copy of the users AP_Punk and shit stroll on here. Just fucking orgcore. All of it.

[Czarsy]

What the fuck is orgcore?

[x togepi x]

second Hot Topic I worked at every male employee was like a carbon copy of the users AP_Punk and shit stroll on here. Just fucking orgcore. All of it.

haha. those dudes here would never be caught dead in hot topic.

[mht]

haha. those dudes here would never be caught dead in hot topic.


its funny because lots of guys like them work at the ones in my district. that music is popular as fuck in Pennsylvania.


I walked in my local Hot Topic the other day and in the front of the store they had Off With Their Heads and O Pioneers LPs. Those dudes would fit right in.

[shit stroll]

yeah, i bought from the bottom at my local hot topic the other day.

[x togepi x]

its funny because lots of guys like them work at the ones in my district. that music is popular as fuck in Pennsylvania.


I walked in my local Hot Topic the other day and in the front of the store they had Off With Their Heads and O Pioneers LPs. Those dudes would fit right in.

it's not popular here yet, aside from hot water music. gaslight anthem played to like six people. but missouri is, at best, six months behind everywhere else, if not longer.

[mht]

yeah, i bought from the bottom at my local hot topic the other day.


funny seein that stuff in there huh

[viva la cymche!]

They play Converge, Coalesce and Botch at the Hot Topic near me.

[nicgiovanni]

i haven't been in a hot topic for a really long time. last time, i was in one back home, before i moved to philly....probably a year or so ago...they had a lot of metalcore shirts. haha. norma jean, everywhere.

oh and now i'm starting to notice the trend you are speaking of...i guess i just didn't notice before because i didn't care, but like the local central pa scene is nothing but metalcore and metal and hardcore bands...the hardcore bands they have now are like lion of judah and they have youngbloods fests and i think they even did a pre-this is hardcore fest...and the kids in colorful clothes all showed up....in their have heart hoodies. wow. i never noticed it before! hahahahaha.

trends are fun to watch. it's so weird!

[mht]

i haven't been in a hot topic for a really long time. last time, i was in one back home, before i moved to philly....probably a year or so ago...they had a lot of metalcore shirts. haha. norma jean, everywhere.

oh and now i'm starting to notice the trend you are speaking of...i guess i just didn't notice before because i didn't care, but like the local central pa scene is nothing but metalcore and metal and hardcore bands...the hardcore bands they have now are like lion of judah and they have youngbloods fests and i think they even did a pre-this is hardcore fest...and the kids in colorful clothes all showed up....in their have heart hoodies. wow. i never noticed it before! hahahahaha.

trends are fun to watch. it's so weird!


Youngblood actually always had those fests, since they been a label. Just they didn't get as packed as they do now until kids in central PA found out who bands like Bane were in 2007.

[nicgiovanni]

Youngblood actually always had those fests, since they been a label. Just they didn't get as packed as they do now until kids in central PA found out who bands like Bane were in 2007.


hahahahaha. that's so weird.

i remember a few years ago when i was so jealous of anyone in one of those bane hoodies...

and then i realized bane really wasn't that great. haha. i saw them live.

central pa is the worst though. it's all about trends and money. we had a great firehall and basement scene. it was a lot of punk rock, but mostly really diverse. and then bands like taking back sunday blew up and the direction changed...and then hardcore/metalcore started to become cool and that changed as well. now, it's all these bands who are trying to be underoath and norma jean. or it's a bunch of pop punk and hardcore bands. nothing original and nothing new. sucks so bad.

i had to get out of there. i saw a lot of great bands back home and it was all cool for awhile, but then it got to be stupid and ridiculous. 14 year old kids just don't seem too interested in looking and discovering new music or even older music...

[mht]

hahahahaha. that's so weird.

i remember a few years ago when i was so jealous of anyone in one of those bane hoodies...

and then i realized bane really wasn't that great. haha. i saw them live.

central pa is the worst though. it's all about trends and money. we had a great firehall and basement scene. it was a lot of punk rock, but mostly really diverse. and then bands like taking back sunday blew up and the direction changed...and then hardcore/metalcore started to become cool and that changed as well. now, it's all these bands who are trying to be underoath and norma jean. or it's a bunch of pop punk and hardcore bands. nothing original and nothing new. sucks so bad.

i had to get out of there. i saw a lot of great bands back home and it was all cool for awhile, but then it got to be stupid and ridiculous. 14 year old kids just don't seem too interested in looking and discovering new music or even older music...


this is what kids like/play around central pa these days:

http://www.myspace.com/defendyourown570

[DjJazzyGeoff]

Anyone in CT going to the fucked up show next monday?

[x togepi x]

this is what kids like/play around central pa these days:

http://www.myspace.com/defendyourown570

if this wasn't in PA, i'd swear this band rents a practice space a couple doors down from mine.

[mht]

if this wasn't in PA, i'd swear this band rents a practice space a couple doors down from mine.



ahhahahhaha

[x togepi x]

ahhahahhaha

there's tons of bands like that here, and i have no idea how they exist because i've never seen them on a poster for a show, or heard of them playing any of the venues here. it's like there's some underground railroad for shitty "death metal hardcore" bands here.

[mht]

there's tons of bands like that here, and i have no idea how they exist because i've never seen them on a poster for a show, or heard of them playing any of the venues here. it's like there's some underground railroad for shitty "death metal hardcore" bands here.


new era hats, violence, open chords are still dominate for males in the age range of 17 to 24 around here

[x togepi x]

new era hats, violence, open chords are still dominate for males in the age range of 17 to 24 around here

under 20 that sounds about right for here, over 20 and people mature and start going to hipster dance parties...though they still dress in new era hats and have heart/cold war hoodies and look way out of place trying to make eyes with some hipster girl.

[mht]

cold world*

[x togepi x]

i always do that, probably because i've only heard them called "cold war". never listened to them, don't really plan to. oops.

[nicgiovanni]

this is what kids like/play around central pa these days:

http://www.myspace.com/defendyourown570


HAHAHAHAHA. have you heard weight of the crown? i know them personally. they're all really nice.

but the music is terrible.

i'd fuck DYO...and never call them again. hahaha.

have you also heard the metalcore shit that still goes on in central pa? i'm talking about the harrisburg area...like the championship.

case in point...AN EARLY ENDING. worst band ever. nice guys, terrible music.

[mht]

HAHAHAHAHA. have you heard weight of the crown? i know them personally. they're all really nice.

but the music is terrible.

i'd fuck DYO...and never call them again. hahaha.

have you also heard the metalcore shit that still goes on in central pa? i'm talking about the harrisburg area...like the championship.

case in point...AN EARLY ENDING. worst band ever. nice guys, terrible music.


like this shit

http://www.myspace.com/uasg

[x togepi x]

i will still take these bands you posted over here i come falling any day of the week. i can't believe that band got signed and shit.

[nicgiovanni]

like this shit

http://www.myspace.com/uasg


OH MY GOD. YR THE WORST.

HAHAHAHA.

those guys are so dumb. they think they're srsly the best band ever.

i was huge into abacabb for a long time and saw them play awhile ago and i saw them with UASG...

upon a shallow grave had this lame ass singer who just stood there and like..ugh...so bad.

i totally loved abacabb though.

[mht]

they really do think they are the best ever, that is no joke. a lot of kids have that mentality around here. it's lame.

[nicgiovanni]

they really do think they are the best ever, that is no joke. a lot of kids have that mentality around here. it's lame.

i'm sorry i thought you were mean, elitist fucker.

i come off like a snob a lot. apparently.

and a lot of people hate me on this site. haha.

but yah, i hate upon a shallow grave and all those bands. i hate when bands are like so into themselves. they have no interest in building a community or helping anyone else out.

i'm not all about "scene unity" or whatever. it just sucks 'cause i remember going to shows and seeing a hardcore band, a punk band, a weird grindcore band, and like some cool indie rock band all at the same venue.

have you ever been to the championship?

[summer skin]

i will still take these bands you posted over here i come falling any day of the week. i can't believe that band got signed and shit.
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[x togepi x]

"Jesus is the reason for everything good and He is good all the time.

Please, continue posting prayer requests in our blog, we have never stopped praying and never will.

God is good. He loves you. Please know that."
lawl

"alcohol is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity"
"worse than say genocide?"
"yes"

my conversation with the dude who wrote that post back when that band first started.