if i could have one player to build a team around...

[selftitled85]

pick a player in each of the three big sports...football, basketball, and baseball to build a franchise around

football...peyton manning
baseball...derek jeter
basketball...carmello anthony...i think hes the better overall player than lebron

[TENSOR123]

Football: Peyton (I'd say Favre if he was younger)
Baseball: Ichiro
Basketball: Kobe Bryant

[ahatruck123smak]

Football: you would need a big all around threat i'd have to say vick i mean the falcons basically did just that build a franchise around him.

Baseball: im not too big of a baseball fan but i'd go with Ichiro. it's good to know that you have someone that's gonna get a hit often.

Basketball: Carmelo Anthony???!?!?!? Are you insane? For a franchise player i'd have to take the best all- around player in the league. T-Mac baby.

[still_life]

Vick's too big of an injury threat. Every time he takes off on those big runs he's open for a huge hit. I expect to see him on IR a good number of times in his career.

[ahatruck123smak]

Vick's too big of an injury threat. Every time he takes off on those big runs he's open for a huge hit. I expect to see him on IR a good number of times in his career.
For starting a franchise I'd take that risk. He's a great all-around threat, probably the best in the league, and the franchise would have nothing to lose. Peyton would only be good if he had good recievers to throw to. Vick makes things happen by himself

[still_life]

Peyton still managed to throw 26 TDs with some less than stellar wideouts his rookie year. If I'm going to build a franchise around a QB, I'd want somebody that could pass. Vick comes up short in that department.

[Emopunkthrice]

Football:Peyton Manning...self explanatory.
Baseball: Albert Pujohls (outfield + infield)
Basketball: Tim Duncan (outside shooting + inside driving)

[ahatruck123smak]

Peyton still managed to throw 26 TDs with some less than stellar wideouts his rookie year. If I'm going to build a franchise around a QB, I'd want somebody that could pass. Vick comes up short in that department.
Marvin Harrison is less than stellar? Besides he also threw 28 interceptions. The first time Michael Vick played whole season he threw 16 Td's but only 8 int's. And his recievers were way less than stellar. but my point is that michael vick isn't one dimensional he can threw decent enough and he can school any team running the ball. i'm not saying he's a better QB im saying he's a more all-around player and would be better for building a team around.

[still_life]

In just his third season, yes, Marvin Harrison wasn't a stellar WR yet. Vick will never have many TDs/INTs just because he doesn't throw the ball that much. Until he's actually running the west coast offense, I'm not going to believe he can do it. I just think these running quarterbacks are overrated, and open to injury. You see what McNair's career has dissolved into after all the punishing blows he's taken.

[TENSOR123]

it's just a matter of time until Vick gets drilled and he's stuck on the sidelines for a really long time. he may be overrated, but he's hands down the most dangerous scrambler.

McNabb has alot more meat on his bones and doesn't run as much as Vick, so he's much less likely to get injured than Vick. but his arm isn't even that accurate or consistent. he's a really nice guy, but i think he's one of the most overrated players in the league.

[still_life]

Vick's the most dangerous in more ways than one. McNabb's been average his first 5 seasons (he only went above average since he got TO), but for some reason the media really wants this guy to succeed.

[ahatruck123smak]

In just his third season, yes, Marvin Harrison wasn't a stellar WR yet. Vick will never have many TDs/INTs just because he doesn't throw the ball that much. Until he's actually running the west coast offense, I'm not going to believe he can do it. I just think these running quarterbacks are overrated, and open to injury. You see what McNair's career has dissolved into after all the punishing blows he's taken.
McNair was co-MVP last season.

[Caleb Cattivera]

im sorry, but you guys are crazy...carmelo and t mac are not someone you want to build your team around...carmelo is havin a horrible year, for you to say he's an overall better player than lebron...well you must not watch basketball...you must be on crack...as for t mac...he cant win...plain and simple and he's not a team player....

lebron 'king' james is the man to bild your team around...he IS the future of the nba

so is michael vick

and so is albert pujols

[BuriedAlive]

Football - LaDainian Tomlinson
Baseball - Miguel Cabrera
Basketball - Dwayne Wade

and still_life you are a moron for think Harrison wasn't a stellar wide-out before Manning got there.

[still_life]

McNair didn't deserve to be co-MVP. His body is still in bad shape regardless of that. His career won't be as long as it could have been.

Harrison wasn't even in the top 10 for any major receiving category for his first 3 seasons. It wasn't until 99 when he broke out as one of the top wideouts.

[the rog]

wow, lots of love for vick... he's basically a glorified running back.

[ahatruck123smak]

McNair didn't deserve to be co-MVP. His body is still in bad shape regardless of that. His career won't be as long as it could have been.

Harrison wasn't even in the top 10 for any major receiving category for his first 3 seasons. It wasn't until 99 when he broke out as one of the top wideouts.
That's just your opinion that McNair didn't deserve co-MVP. He led the league in QB rating and carried his team to a 12-4 record and the playoffs. i think that's deserving.

[YourLatestVicti]

Football-Tom Brady
Basketball-Steve Nash
Baseball-Albert Pujols

[the rog]

oh and i would go with

tom brady
lebron james
albert pujols

[still_life]

That's just your opinion that McNair didn't deserve co-MVP. He led the league in QB rating and carried his team to a 12-4 record and the playoffs. i think that's deserving.

He didn't even finish in the top 10 for passing yards. He also missed two games when his team was in a close division title race. And he was out-performed by Manning in the two games they played that year, both Tennessee losses. Jamal Lewis even would have been a better choice than McNair.

[BuriedAlive]

Haha. Still_life you are still so blind. The stats are not the only thing that goes to selecting a MVP. It is the effect they have on their team. When he was playing (even when hurt, something not many people would do) he helped his team succeed. He more than deserved to MVP.

[YourLatestVicti]

Haha. Still_life you are still so blind. The stats are not the only thing that goes to selecting a MVP. It is the effect they have on their team. When he was playing (even when hurt, something not many people would do) he helped his team succeed. He more than deserved to MVP.


I completely agree with, the award isn't player of the year it is most valuable player. Even though his stats may not have been the greatest he put up solid numbers and carried his team.

[still_life]

The stats are not the only thing that goes to selecting a MVP. It is the effect they have on their team. When he was playing (even when hurt, something not many people would do) he helped his team succeed. He more than deserved to MVP.

Look back at who's won MVP and that proves your wrong. The biggest stats can always get you MVP. And like I said, why shouldn't Jamal Lewis be considered more of a MVP than McNair last year? He literally carried his team's whole offensive load and got them a division title. McNair did no better than Manning and Lewis.

Even though his stats may not have been the greatest he put up solid numbers and carried his team.

That can be said for many guys every year. Doesn't mean they deserve any part of MVP.

[BuriedAlive]

Look back at who's won MVP and that proves your wrong. The biggest stats can always get you MVP. And like I said, why shouldn't Jamal Lewis be considered more of a MVP than McNair last year? He literally carried his team's whole offensive load and got them a division title. McNair did no better than Manning and Lewis.



That can be said for many guys every year. Doesn't mean they deserve any part of MVP.
again you fail.

Lewis was not considered MVP because more than half the defensive players on his team are great players. Oh, and from when you said that that means he should have won the MVP when they won the super bowl because he carried the whole offensive load..?

McNair didn't have much of a defense in 2004 neither did Manning. They carried their team.

[still_life]

How often has someone rushed for over 2000 yards? 5 times or so. How often do guys throw 24 TDs and a little over 3000 yards? A lot. There was nothing special about his season. When Baltimore won the SB, he didn't have a big year, so no. Their defense was also at it's peak that season. They've been downhill since then.

First of all, we're talking about 2003, not 2004, and Tennessee was the 12th ranked defense.

[BuriedAlive]

How often has someone rushed for over 2000 yards? 5 times or so. How often do guys throw 24 TDs and a little over 3000 yards? A lot. There was nothing special about his season. When Baltimore won the SB, he didn't have a big year, so no. Their defense was also at it's peak that season. They've been downhill since then.

First of all, we're talking about 2003, not 2004, and Tennessee was the 12th ranked defense.
yeah yeah. but mvp wasnt giving out till 2004.

Baltimore still has one of the best defenses in the nfl regardless.

then why did manning deserve it?

[still_life]

3 out of 5 guys that had 2000 rushing yards won MVP. Dickerson didn't only because it was in 1984, and Marino just owned that year completely. Jamal Lewis didn't win it for whatever reason

Before 2004, 2003 was probably Manning's best season.

[BuriedAlive]

3 out of 5 guys that had 2000 rushing yards won MVP. Dickerson didn't only because it was in 1984, and Marino just owned that year completely. Jamal Lewis didn't win it for whatever reason

Before 2004, 2003 was probably Manning's best season.
so, your point on Manning? Running 2k is hard as you say. you'd think it would be automatic. oh, no wait. it's not all about the stats.

[still_life]

It is about the stats, that's why Sanders won it ignoring the fact he played for Detroit. Quarterbacks more often win it than running backs. I'm sure Jamal's number of TDs didn't blow anyone away enough to pick him. Manning had the 2nd most TD passes, 2nd best passer rating, 1st in yards, 1st in completions, 1st in completion percentage, 2nd best yards per attempt, etc.

[BuriedAlive]

It is about the stats, that's why Sanders won it ignoring the fact he played for Detroit. Quarterbacks more often win it than running backs. I'm sure Jamal's number of TDs didn't blow anyone away enough to pick him. Manning had the 2nd most TD passes, 2nd best passer rating, 1st in yards, 1st in completions, 1st in completion percentage, 2nd best yards per attempt, etc.
yet priest holmes breaking the most rushing td's in the same year wasnt enough to win him the MVP also?

[YourLatestVicti]

There was nothing special about his season.

Nothing special about his season?


McNair was/had...
#6 in passing yards
#3 in TD thrown
2nd fewest interceptions
The lowest interception percentage
The highest yards per attempt average
And most importantly he had the highest passer rating that year.

To me those are real good numbers, and when you factor in how important he was to his team's success I don't see how you can argue that he didn't deserve MVP. His RB Eddie George was tied for the lowest yards per carry average, so he didn't get much help from the ground game.

[still_life]

yet priest holmes breaking the most rushing td's in the same year wasnt enough to win him the MVP also?

You're asking these questions as if I'm the person voting for the MVP. Only one guy can win it, so it's hard to pick just one person. I think this season it was very obvious who the right pick was, but you could make arguments for multiple guys last year. Priest Holmes is another person I'd give a share of MVP to before McNair last year.

Nothing special about his season?

McNair was/had...
#6 in passing yards
#3 in TD thrown
2nd fewest interceptions
The lowest interception percentage
The highest yards per attempt average
And most importantly he had the highest passer rating that year.

To me those are real good numbers, and when you factor in how important he was to his team's success I don't see how you can argue that he didn't deserve MVP. His RB Eddie George was tied for the lowest yards per carry average, so he didn't get much help from the ground game.

If you're going to argue, at least use factual info. He was 15th in passing yards, not even close to 6th. He was 7th in TDs thrown, not 3rd. His interception numbers are inflated, considering he had only 400 attempts, much fewer than most quarterbacks. Manning threw only three more picks and threw the ball 166 more times. And I don't think him beating Manning in passer rating by 1.4 points should matter when Manning had 5 more TDs. I think that's more important.

[BuriedAlive]

no no im proving a point. stats dont matter 100%. it's also how they effect their team. im not saying manning didnt deserve it because he has a huge effect on his team and has great stats and he deserved it but so did mcnair.

[still_life]

McNair's stats just weren't as good as Manning's though. I don't see how they can say it's a tie.

And there are many ways to impact your team other than make the big stats. And those kind of players don't win the MVP award. It's very stat driven, just like the Heisman is.

[open mind]

football:manning
baseball:jim edmonds or albert pujols
basketball:kg or ben wallace

[BuriedAlive]

McNair's stats just weren't as good as Manning's though. I don't see how they can say it's a tie.

And there are many ways to impact your team other than make the big stats. And those kind of players don't win the MVP award. It's very stat driven, just like the Heisman is.
it's stats driven, but to say it's only stats would be very foolish.

if i passed for 5k and 30td's and my team was 6-10... you think i'd win the MVP award?

[still_life]

No, because 30 TDs just isn't that impressive anymore.

[BuriedAlive]

No, because 30 TDs just isn't that impressive anymore.
but passing for 5k is not impressive? only one person in the NFL has EVER done that. His name is Dan Marino (he won the MVP that year). next closest was Kurt Warner... the year he won the MVP.

[still_life]

I know 5k is impressive, but you can't really say if that would win MVP that season or not when you don't know what anyone else will do.

And a game like today is exactly why I don't build a franchise around Michael Vick. When he has to pass, results aren't good.

[apoemtothedead]

A-Rod