It's Pretty Sunny In Northern Oregon Today

[Jason Tate]

Apparently I, "talk about, argue over, and am generally fascinated with Hawthorne Heights." Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. Pick up the latest issue of Alt. Press, you'll get the idea.

[Chris March]

Apparently I, "talk about, argue over, and am generally fascinated with Hawthorne Heights." Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. Pick up the latest issue of Alt. Press, you'll get the idea.
BILL AND TED!

[Jared Kaufman]

Apparently I, "talk about, argue over, and am generally fascinated with Hawthorne Heights." Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. Pick up the latest issue of Alt. Press, you'll get the idea.
I don't think I've ever seen Jason say a word about this band on this website besides his "End of the Year" lists for 2004 when he said they were one of the hardest working bands. Weird. :shrugs:

"Once upon a time there was Jason Tate..."

The paragraph is written very weird. Hence the above comment.

[Jason Tate]

And then there's this guy in New Jersey, named Jared Kaufman, and he likes tacos.

[xdrummerxdudex]

i really like the new AP issue. I also like getting my free compilation from DTR/Rushmore Records

[BrokenParachute]

double you tee eff mate?

wierd article. I don't appriciate them too much. they are insanely catchy, but alot of bands do what they do...but better.

[OveriseFan]

BILL AND TED!


HECK YES!

Haha, that is the funniest movie ever.

[Scott Weber]

Apparently I, "talk about, argue over, and am generally fascinated with Hawthorne Heights." Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. Pick up the latest issue of Alt. Press, you'll get the idea.
can you scan the article or take a picture of it? I wanna see, I can't find alternative press anywhere around here. besides, you don't talk about HH, it's the rest of staff that tears into them all the time, including myself, haha.

[SLADE775]

:lol2:
This coming from the magazine that says CARTEL :love: sounds like new found glory :headshake

That mag is in need of a better staff.

[SummerPerfuma]

hawthorne heights are a hardworking band, but they give me a headache after five minutes of listening.

[noles05]

Would this be the issue with Senses Fail on the cover or am i just that lost when it comes to new magazine issues?

[Jared Kaufman]

Would this be the issue with Senses Fail on the cover?
Nope.

Split cover (Hawthorne Heights / Matchbook Romance)

[em0_stars]

Would this be the issue with Senses Fail on the cover?

no its the next one coming out.

Hawthorne Heights/Matchbook Romance are on the cover sadly.

[Frank Giaramita]

Yeah dudes, Hawthorne has to work hard...it's the only way to maintain such a prestigous sound. No offense to those dudes at all, because I hear they're super kind...but i was really really really fucking pissed when I opened my mailbox and noticed that I had received the Hawthorne Heights issue of Alt Press and not that Matchbook one...FUCKERS. Not that I think Matchbook is the greatest thing in the world...but compared to hawthorne, yeah. In conclusion, I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...and I say that in the kindest way possible.

[noles05]

Nope.

Split cover (Hawthorne Heights / Matchbook Romance)

Thanks, buddy.

[ForeverInADay]

:lol2:
This coming from the magazine that says CARTEL :love: sounds like new found glory :headshake

That mag is in need of a better staff.
that is the WORST comparison ever haha thats like saying Armor for Sleep sound like Good Charlotte. simply horrible comparison

[noles05]

soonly, come on now.

[ForeverInADay]

In conclusion, I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...and I say that in the kindest way possible.
I almost threw up when I read that haha that was the worst image you could possibly feed a boy

[OveriseFan]

I almost threw up when I read that haha that was the worst image you could possibly feed a boy


hahahahahahahaha :lol2: :lol2:

[BrandNew20]

Is this issue available on newsstands now? or do the magazines come in the mail early?

[Justin_stacy]

i really like the new AP issue. I also like getting my free compilation from DTR/Rushmore Records
Ya nothing like getting a free comp with twenty versions of the same song on it.....nice to see that DTR is diversifying its roster!

[SLADE775]

I almost threw up when I read that haha that was the worst image you could possibly feed a boy


I dont know man, shes had a lot of lipo. :headshake :headshake :headshake

A LOT

[ForeverInADay]

I dont know man, shes had a lot of lipo. :headshake :headshake :headshake

A LOT
haha i dont know, i'd still prefer some Rosie O'Donnel hot lesbain action over Oprah spread eagle any day.

[stephisfinch]

Yeah dudes, Hawthorne has to work hard...it's the only way to maintain such a prestigous sound. No offense to those dudes at all, because I hear they're super kind...but i was really really really fucking pissed when I opened my mailbox and noticed that I had received the Hawthorne Heights issue of Alt Press and not that Matchbook one...FUCKERS. Not that I think Matchbook is the greatest thing in the world...but compared to hawthorne, yeah. In conclusion, I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...and I say that in the kindest way possible.

I'll trade you. hah.
I got the cover with Matchbook Romance and wanted the Hawthorne Heights cover.hah.

[indieinfo]

Maybve the reason that they claim you like Hawthorne Heights is the fact that you and your website are steriotyped to have really horrible taste in bad emo bands and Hawthorne Heights takes the cake for those types. Note I say steriotyped, I don't buy that story either, but that might be why?

[healthysmoker]

I know Hawthorne Heights gets a lot of slack for being generic, especially in such a dynamic, progressive genre as emo/screamo but really, they have a few decent songs.

Okay, they have two of them.

Ohio is for lovers, and Niki FM (despite lyrics likely written by an autistic)

They simply seem like a convenient target for ridicule.

[Adrian Villagomez]

I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...I believe that's the latest cover of O magazine (www.oprah.com/omagazine).

[thedood]

will someone please summarize what this article is saying...im so not in the know...

[JamesWard]

that is the WORST comparison ever haha thats like saying Armor for Sleep sound like Good Charlotte. simply horrible comparison

Uh actually, they do sound alike...they both play music that sounds like shit.

[smalltownsburn]

This is a serious question. Is there a chance that when they say Jason Tate they refer to AP.net's staff as a whole? Or do they just simply hate Tate.

[Jason Tate]

Maybve the reason that they claim you like Hawthorne Heights is the fact that you and your website are steriotyped to have really horrible taste in bad emo bands and Hawthorne Heights takes the cake for those types. Note I say steriotyped, I don't buy that story either, but that might be why?
Eh?

[SLADE775]

Uh actually, they do sound alike...they both play music that sounds like shit.


:headshake i woulden't be suprised if you died soon for saying that.

[Signals Corrupted]

Yeah dudes, Hawthorne has to work hard...it's the only way to maintain such a prestigous sound. No offense to those dudes at all, because I hear they're super kind...but i was really really really fucking pissed when I opened my mailbox and noticed that I had received the Hawthorne Heights issue of Alt Press and not that Matchbook one...FUCKERS. Not that I think Matchbook is the greatest thing in the world...but compared to hawthorne, yeah. In conclusion, I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...and I say that in the kindest way possible.


oprah winfrey spread eagle.. god.. i could then die a happy man

[Justin_stacy]

http://www.punkinternational.com/v2/content.php?review.142

Hawthorne Heights: The Silence in Black and White
by Tim Krysko on Sat Jan 08 2005



Band: Hawthorne Heights
Album: "The Silence in Black and White"
Label: Victory Records
Grade: E
Available at: Interpunk


It's quite sad how low Victory Records has stooped in its neverending quest for the next emo or post-hardcore buzz band. The label deserves a lot of credit for getting this genre of emotionally-charged sing/scream post-hardcore off the ground. Grade was revolutionary for its time in the late 90s, soon followed by the stunning debut Thursday record, and finally the hugely influential Taking Back Sunday record. But if you look carefully at the progression from Grade to Taking Back Sunday, you can see a decline gaining momentum. And it got worse from there. If you didn't notice by the time Atreyu appeared, you must have noticed it when those lousy Somehow Hollow, Silverstein, and Glasseater CDs came around. The stench was unbearable by the time that Hurt Process record appeared, and now this Hawthorne Heights one is a new low.

This genre is overcrowded to the point of suffocation with mediocrity, but "The Silence in Black and White" whatsoever goes overboard into 'atrocious' territory. Vocals, lyrics, and music - Hawthorne Heights establish new lows for all three. If you weren't already sick of bands doing the sing/scream schtick, you will be by the time you've suffered through the eleven songs on this disc. There is absolutely no chemistry between the singer and the screamer; the former just snivels his broken little emo heart out in the most overbearing and phony manner imaginable, while the latter wretches and roars in the background in a laughable attempt to add depth and feeling to the band's dry and derivative music. There is not a single good song on this entire recording. I'd feel bad taking it to the used CD store so some other poor sap can drop a heard-earned five dollars on it, so "The Silence in Black and White" is going straight to the trash.

Now I just pray that Victory Records can stop the bleeding so they can get back to putting out good, innovative records once again. And, I pray Hawthorne Heights goes the way of Student Rick.

[apaaronb]

1) No, we don't hate Jason Tate. Some people in our office have issues with the dude, but I don't, and that's not my place to discuss, anyway.
2) No, we don't all listen to "the older sound of punk rock." Where the hell do you people get your gossip?
3) [EDITED BECAUSE I OPENED MY MOUTH LIKE A BIG DUMMY WITHOUT REFERRING TO THE STORY I JUST HELPED EDIT A MONTH AGO. I stand by this other junk, though,]
4) No, we don't need a better staff. Especially one that can't deal with one of our writers hearing traces of something in Cartel.

That's all for now -- anyone else got a question?

[ohlookitspaul]

wait i don't get AP (sorry, Aaron dude) so can someone scan the article or whatever so the rest of us can read it?

[No Control]

Apparently I, "talk about, argue over, and am generally fascinated with Hawthorne Heights." Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. Pick up the latest issue of Alt. Press, you'll get the idea.


I give you point for the Bill and Ted's quote, but Hawthorne Heights is terrible so I hope this is an untrue statement for your sake.

[apaaronb]

No problem -- here's the paragraph where the writer mentions Jason/AP. Because I kinda have an itchy trigger finger when it comes to posting about the place that signs my paychecks, I misspoke a wee bit in that last post, but the writer claims he made contact with Jason before writing this; plus this quote is out of context without the rest of the story (which I'd have to charge you $3.99 -- or at least 10 minutes' browsing time in Borders -- to read). So here you go:

"Then there’s a guy named Jason Tate, who lives in a small town in northern Oregon, where he runs a website called AbsolutePunk.net. Tate has been talking, arguing over and generally being fascinated by Hawthorne Heights for the past eight months. He mentions that the band’s members occasionally post on his website’s message board; sometimes to say thanks, sometimes to say their piece. He has no explanation for the band's popularity, either."

[Adrian Villagomez]

apaaronb gets scene points for working at a cool magazine, even if they did get rid of the "cutout bin."

[SLADE775]

1) No, we don't hate Jason Tate. Some people in our office have issues with the dude, but I don't, and that's not my place to discuss, anyway.
2) No, we don't all listen to "the older sound of punk rock." Where the hell do you people get your gossip?
3) [EDITED BECAUSE I OPENED MY MOUTH LIKE A BIG DUMMY WITHOUT REFERRING TO THE STORY I JUST HELPED EDIT A MONTH AGO. I stand by this other junk, though,]
4) No, we don't need a better staff. Especially one that can't deal with one of our writers hearing traces of something in Cartel.

That's all for now -- anyone else got a question?


I like your magazine, but honestly, the reviews are horrendous ( kind of like my spelling)
Other than that I feel that you guys do a great job. The remark I made, mainly refered to whoever does your reviews.

[apaaronb]

I hear you -- to be totally honest, the editors here probably get angrier about some of the reviews people turn in than the readers do, but, you know, we can't write everything ourselves...

Speaking of which: AP is always looking for new reviewers, especially ones with working ears. We pay, even.

[ForeverInADay]

Uh actually, they do sound alike...they both play music that sounds like shit.
this is why you have -307 scene points lol and i disagree with your opinion.

[ForeverInADay]

I hear you -- to be totally honest, the editors here probably get angrier about some of the reviews people turn in than the readers do, but, you know, we can't write everything ourselves...

Speaking of which: AP is always looking for new reviewers, especially ones with working ears. We pay, even.
How would one apply to be a reviewer for AP mag?

[jeffri07]

hawthorne romance is playing some of the shittiest, unoriginal music to come out since senses fail

[PaperclipAnemia]

Uh actually, they do sound alike...they both play music that sounds like shit.

haha.

[apaaronb]

How would one apply to be a reviewer for AP mag?

Send links or other samples of some reviews or articles you've done (even if they've never been published) to our reviews editor, Jonah Bayer: bayer@altpress.com. That's the easiest way to get in the door.

[ForeverInADay]

Send links or other samples of some reviews or articles you've done (even if they've never been published) to our reviews editor, Jonah Bayer: bayer@altpress.com. That's the easiest way to get in the door.
thanks dude! thats kick ass. I'm going to do that right now if my hotmail signs in haha

[discharginheart]

id have to say i was pretyy psyched when i heard the news hawthorne heights is amazing

[ilovebsb]

dudes i went to t download.com and i clicked the music thing. i was searching for bands because i was bored then i see H.H. so i clicked on it and it said they sound like a mix between papa roach and linkin park. it was so weird because i always thought that too

[mondeoman]

In conclusion, I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...and I say that in the kindest way possible.
hahaha
Is this out yet?

[normitron]

Yeah dudes, Hawthorne has to work hard...it's the only way to maintain such a prestigous sound. No offense to those dudes at all, because I hear they're super kind...but i was really really really fucking pissed when I opened my mailbox and noticed that I had received the Hawthorne Heights issue of Alt Press and not that Matchbook one...FUCKERS. Not that I think Matchbook is the greatest thing in the world...but compared to hawthorne, yeah. In conclusion, I would've rather had a picture of Oprah Winfrey spread eagle on the cover then Hawthorne...and I say that in the kindest way possible.

both bands could suck a golf ball through a garden hose in my book.

[apaaronb]

both bands could suck a golf ball through a garden hose in my book.

You know, in some circles, that's the most amazing compliment you could give someone.

[SLADE775]

both bands could suck a golf ball through a garden hose in my book.


You better take that insult back to the drawing board.
That was terrible.

[milligram_smile]

dudes i went to t download.com and i clicked the music thing. i was searching for bands because i was bored then i see H.H. so i clicked on it and it said they sound like a mix between papa roach and linkin park. it was so weird because i always thought that too

ummm...hawthorne heights sounds NOTHING like a mix between Papa Roach and Linkin Park. I guess you and the guys at download.com are both smoking some pretty good crack. Papa Roach and Linkin Park are both rap/rock bands and Hawthorne Heights is a screamo band. Last time I checked, rap and emo have nothing to do with each other. Also- mind getting me a link so I can see this claim made on download.com??

[SLADE775]

, rap and emo have nothing to do with each other.


Unless you're MC LARS.

[gcore]

Unless you're MC LARS.

hahahahaa that was a good one

[milligram_smile]

I haven't heard MC Lars...but that wasn't the statement I was trying to make. From the sound of things, MC Lars blends two genres together to create his own style of music... Listen to emo music, do you hear rap? Listen to rap music, do you hear emo? That was just an awful comparison that ilovebsb made. A lot of people that post on here may not like Hawthorne Heights, but still, I think we all know they have no elements of rap or hip-hop music in them, do they?

[SLADE775]

I haven't heard MC Lars...but that wasn't the statement I was trying to make. From the sound of things, MC Lars blends two genres together to create his own style of music... Listen to emo music, do you hear rap? Listen to rap music, do you hear emo? That was just an awful comparison that ilovebsb made. A lot of people that post on here may not like Hawthorne Heights, but still, I think we all know they have no elements of rap or hip-hop music in them, do they?


Whoa there champ.
I was simply making a joke.
its what I do here. :wink3:

[sceneunheard]

Unless you're MC LARS.

haha that was the best thing i heard all day.

[burnpianoisland]

And then there's this guy in New Jersey, named Jared Kaufman, and he likes tacos.

i had tacos for dinner tonight. coincidence?

[Anton Djamoos]

A lot of people consider Atmosphere, Epitaph's rap group, emo. There was an article in some magazine a while ago about it. I like the song "Trying to Find a Balance" but that's the only thing I've heard from them.

[WSUskee]

I dont care for rap at all but the Atmosphere and MC Lars CDs are pretty damn good. I dont know why its called emo rap though?

[milligram_smile]

A lot of people consider Atmosphere, Epitaph's rap group, emo. There was an article in some magazine a while ago about it. I like the song "Trying to Find a Balance" but that's the only thing I've heard from them.

dude no....people might consider Atmosphere emo, but those people are very, very wrong. Just because a rap group is on a punk label doesn't mean shit. I think this is where people get these misconceptions. Fueled By Ramen signed the hip hop group Gym Class Heroes. They have guest appearances from Fall Out Boy on their CD, but they are none more than a hip hop group on their own. I, myself, have listened to Atmosphere for years and that group is NOT emo. Atmosphere is underground rap. When emo bands get emcees then you can tell me Atmosphere is emo.

[ForeverInADay]

I haven't heard MC Lars...but that wasn't the statement I was trying to make. From the sound of things, MC Lars blends two genres together to create his own style of music... Listen to emo music, do you hear rap? Listen to rap music, do you hear emo? That was just an awful comparison that ilovebsb made. A lot of people that post on here may not like Hawthorne Heights, but still, I think we all know they have no elements of rap or hip-hop music in them, do they?
hey dude, let me ask you something, when you woke up this morning, did you smoke a little crack or a whole lot of crack? he said "THEY" as in the website download.com said HH were like LP and Papa Roach. calm down dude.

[Killforgrace]

taco night is always the best night here.... oh I miss it so :(

[hurleypunk28]

dudes i went to t download.com and i clicked the music thing. i was searching for bands because i was bored then i see H.H. so i clicked on it and it said they sound like a mix between papa roach and linkin park. it was so weird because i always thought that too

haha that was funny. scene points for you.

[Ambulance X]

both bands could suck a golf ball through a garden hose in my book.

Scene points for a Full Metal Jacket reference

[xThursdayxPTWx]

Nope.

Split cover (Hawthorne Heights / Matchbook Romance)

Damn I didn't know it was a split cover, subscription sent me the Hawthorne Heights cover and I can't stand them. Oh well the inside articles are the same so whatever.

Yea when I started reading the article (I was curious, I respect them but I don't like their music), and read the thing about Tate I just sat there puzzled. I've never heard Tate say anything that is close to an opinion about the band. Actually, the only people I really know of on this site that have a formed opinion of the band aren't in the staff. AP is mostly a very solid magazine; probably the best music magazine I can think of, but some of their writers, especially reviewers, really need to check their facts and look over things twice.

And honestly I respect Hawthorne Heights and what they're doing cause they seem very humble and thankful, but I'm so sick of hearing this "hardest working" band stuff and all that. Most all bands coming up these days are hard working, its just that some don't receieve the recognition and success that Hawthorne Heights has achieved, though they probably deserve it more.

One more thing, did anyone read the page on As I Lay Dying? Have they really sold over 100,000 copies of their CD cause that would be crazy.