The Official Vice Presidential Debate Thread (10/01/08)

[Skadrist]

I certainly hope Biden goes for the kill tomorrow and it will be interesting to see how Palin's GOP handlers have prepped her for the debate.

[Adeniz19]

he doesnt need to go for the kill. i just hope there is no major gaffes

[Skadrist]

he doesnt need to go for the kill. i just hope there is no major gaffes


You are probably right about him not needing to go for the kill, I don't expect and I hope not to see any major gaffes from Biden myself.

[loveisdead]

Biden will most likely gaffe. He has a habit of doing it. I still think it will be a massacre.

[neo506]

I'm sure Palin will have a few rehearsed points and attacks that she will constantly fall back on. Should excite the base but any rational thinker will see right through it. Im interested to see how Biden goes after her

[Lueda Alia]

I wonder if Palin will sound as stupid as she has in the recent interviews. I think it could go either way. Part of me fears that they have made her sound so stupid just to "surprise" everyone in the debate, since that's what most people will be watching. I hope that's not the case, but either way, I can't see her winning against Biden (as long as he controls himself).

[loveisdead]

I wonder if Palin will sound as stupid as she has in the recent interviews. I think it could go either way. Part of me fears that they have made her sound so stupid just to "surprise" everyone in the debate, since that's what most people will be watching. I hope that's not the case, but either way, I can't see her winning against Biden (as long as he controls himself).
Did you see the video of Olbermann Jason posted in the McCain/Palin thread? It's god awful that she's gotten away with what she's done in these interviews.

[Lueda Alia]

Did you see the video of Olbermann Jason posted in the McCain/Palin thread? It's god awful that she's gotten away with what she's done in these interviews.
I just watched it now. I find it very depressing that I could answer a lot of these questions so much better than she did. And that's just so wrong.

[loveisdead]

I just watched it now. I find it very depressing that I could answer a lot of these questions so much better than she did. And that's just so wrong.
It's really bad. Call me a creep, but I just read your blog about the man on the bus. Heartwarming stuff. You've got a great heart.

[Lueda Alia]

It's really bad. Call me a creep, but I just read your blog about the man on the bus. Heartwarming stuff. You've got a great heart.
Oh wow, yeah, that blog is quite old. I was actually really emotional (and I was crying, too) when I wrote it. I think I could have said some things in a better way, but it was hard to at the time. I think I got my point across, though.

Anyway, I don't think you're creepy for reading it!

[Mitch]

I just realized that I'm not going to even be able to read about the debate until Sunday evening :-(

[Tito Jr.]

My Prediction: As long as Palin doesn't stumble (too bad), she wins this thing single handedly. Why?

Because she will appear to be the more "likeable" candidate - not because of rhetoric. She will smile a lot and deliver her memorized lines like she was talking off a teleprompter. When she doesn't know the answer, which will occur, she will resort to her story (son in Iraq, pregnant daughter, outdoorsy background, god, and her oath to reform) and people will get lost in her translation.

Biden can't be too aggressive or he will apear to be a "bully" (i.e Bush v Ferraro). And he can't take her too lightly or he will be overshadowed by the fact she stood toe to toe with his vast knowledge of foreign policy.

This debate is McCain's only chance of pulling off an upset. His campaign is done and there is no better opportunity to change the topic of discussion (from economy to Sarah Palin...again).

I know most everyone here wants to see Palin fail miserablly but I just don't see how her debate boot-camp could not have addressed the issues she's been having in recent interviews.

P.S. I hope I'm wrong.

[Mitch]

My Prediction: As long as Palin doesn't stumble (too bad), she wins this thing single handedly. Why?

Because she will appear to be the more "likeable" candidate - not because of rhetoric. She will smile a lot and deliver her memorized lines like she was talking off a teleprompter. When she doesn't know the answer, which will occur, she will resort to her story (son in Iraq, pregnant daughter, outdoorsy background, god, and her oath to reform) and people will get lost in her translation.

Biden can't be too aggressive or he will apear to be a "bully" (i.e Bush v Ferraro). And he can't take her too lightly or he will be overshadowed by the fact she stood toe to toe with his vast knowledge of foreign policy.

This debate is McCain's only chance of pulling off an upset. His campaign is done and there is no better opportunity to change the topic of discussion (from economy to Sarah Palin...again).

I know most everyone here wants to see Palin fail miserablly but I just don't see how her debate boot-camp could not have addressed the issues she's been having in recent interviews.

P.S. I hope I'm wrong.

I was thinking this exact same thing--but there will still be plenty of room for her to fuck up. However, because of the moderator controversy, if a question is asked that Palin can not answer, the GOP will cry bias.

[anamericangod]

I don't think the line is as fine as everyone is making it out to be, in regards to Biden being a bully. He needs to seize every opportunity to call her out and make it clear that she has no idea what she's talking about. He doesn't need to be a complete asshole, but he needs to really drive the point home that she is not qualified for this job.

The Obama camp has been holding back for awhile now, but I think tonight is what they've been waiting for.

I'm nervous.

[wesgemm08]

Biden is a professional debater. He was seen as the winner of most of the primary debates he was in, debates which included much brighter political minds than Sarah Palin. There will be no major gaffes. He will make McCain and Palin look like idiots when foreign policy issues arise.

[AmarnaReign]

Palin is going to tear into Biden tonight. I dont even think this debate will be close.

[nfggc10]

Palin is going to tear into Biden tonight. I dont even think this debate will be close.How did you come to this conclusion?

[AmarnaReign]

How did you come to this conclusion?
You will see tonight.

[sjb2k1]

You will see tonight.That doesn't answer his question.

[GlamourKillsUs]

this debate consists of two people

who sometimes can say outrageous things

it will be interesting to see who says what

hopefully biden lets loose and goes for it

but the democrats can be to DAMN polite sometimes

republicans arent afraid to play dirty

mcain/palin in '08 *sigh*

[blindrider529]

I have a feeling that Biden will be pretty guarded, so as to not sound "sexist" or like a bully. He'll probably be short on words so as not to gaffe.

I also think that Palin will be very short and very general. From hearing about her past debates (which apparently she did great in), she makes very general, postive statements and glosses over details.

I don't think Palin could look a whole lot worse than she does now. So as long as she isn't that bad she will almost be "winning" in a way. I don't really see a winner. The point of the debate is simply another way for the public to see if the candidates really know what they are talking about. She could do perfect and just KILL Biden and it really wouldn't matter a whole lot. Everyone has seen or heard about the interviews. Besides, she'll continue to sound stupid in every other possible way outside of this debate.

For Biden to "win": Keep it short. Attack McCain, not Palin. Don't sound like a prehistoric dinosaur like McCain by spending the whole debate talking about things that happened 25-30 years ago. As long as you don't gaffe, "attack" Palin, or sound like and old dinosaur you will be absolutely fine.

For Palin to "win": Stay CALM. Don't let them see you sweat. Gloss over details and stay very general. DON'T makes stupid comments or contradictions. Just be simple and say things that everyone agrees on. As long as you don't make any errors worse than what you've already done and you come across as well-intentioned and not too dumb you will be fine.

Both campaigns would be safest if their candidates just keep it simple and let their credentials speak for themselves. Everyone knows that Biden is far, far, FAR, more qualified. He really doesn't need to point it out and risk looking like a bully. The only one who really decides if anyone benefits here is Palin. If she does really well or doesn't do awful then McCain/Palin benefits simply by not digging their pit of doom any deeper...for the moment. If she really does find a way to look worse than her interviews then Obama/Biden will probably find more support. Biden is more predictable and well known. It's up to Palin.

[morebreakdowns]

i'm not totally huge into debates but i'll watch because i despise palin so

[morebreakdowns]

Palin is going to tear into Biden tonight. I dont even think this debate will be close.

You will see tonight.


i'm afraid you only believe this because you have been force fed republican propaganda like this your whole life

[ActionActionFan]

On AC360 last night they seemed to think the Palin was going to have a good debate.

[nfggc10]

On AC360 last night they seemed to think the Palin was going to have a good debate.3 reasons why:
1) Obama supporters are trying to raise expectations because most are making it seem like as long as she's still breathing at the end of it the night will be a success. In private they would probably tell you they don't expect much.
2) Conservatives actually believe she's fully qualified and has the knowledge necessary to be our VP thus their expectations are high.
3) The format is very non-confrontational. They only get 30 seconds a piece to counter arguments which isn't much time. She'll likely give her talking points and smile for her full two minutes.

[Tito Jr.]

I'm surprised the McCain campaign hasn't released their victory ad yet.

[blindrider529]

I really do think that as long as she doesn't start crying she will be fine.

I've honestly been able to imagine her crying or asking for a pause when I've daydreamed about this debate (sometimes work is boring). If the format was like it was with Obama/McCain I could really see that happening.

Since it will pretty much just be a series of short speeches and no confrontation I can see her sliding by very easily (which pretty much equates to a win for her given the incredibly low expectations for her).

It won't matter though. Her public image is pretty concrete, and I don't seeing her getting any better at interviews AFTER the debate. Even if she does fine she will continue to look dumb in interviews and everyone will forget about the debate.

I'm surprised the McCain campaign hasn't released their victory ad yet.haha for real!

[Jason Tate]

Tonight's debate is not likely to be a game changer in the polls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle#Vice_Presidential_candid ate)
There was much criticism of Quayle after the campaign's televised vice-presidential debate, in which he compared his amount of Congressional experience to that of John F. Kennedy when he was running for president. Democratic candidate Lloyd Bentsen said in rebuttal, "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy," to which a noticeably surprised and unprepared Quayle replied, "That was really uncalled for, Senator," as both applause and boos were heard from the debate audience. Bentsen replied that it was Quayle who had made the initial comparison. Quayle's reaction to Bentsen's comment was played and replayed by the Democrats in their subsequent television ads as an announcer intoned: "Quayle: just a heartbeat away." Comedians exploited the exchange, and an increasing number of editorial cartoons depicted Quayle as an infant or child. Though the controversy generated much press, public opinion polls did not significantly change [bolded mine], and the Republicans maintained a solid lead.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.comics.com//comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2008183421002.gif

[driftsandpulls]

My Prediction: As long as Palin doesn't stumble (too bad), she wins this thing single handedly. Why?

Because she will appear to be the more "likeable" candidate - not because of rhetoric. She will smile a lot and deliver her memorized lines like she was talking off a teleprompter. When she doesn't know the answer, which will occur, she will resort to her story (son in Iraq, pregnant daughter, outdoorsy background, god, and her oath to reform) and people will get lost in her translation.

Biden can't be too aggressive or he will apear to be a "bully" (i.e Bush v Ferraro). And he can't take her too lightly or he will be overshadowed by the fact she stood toe to toe with his vast knowledge of foreign policy.

This debate is McCain's only chance of pulling off an upset. His campaign is done and there is no better opportunity to change the topic of discussion (from economy to Sarah Palin...again).

I know most everyone here wants to see Palin fail miserablly but I just don't see how her debate boot-camp could not have addressed the issues she's been having in recent interviews.

P.S. I hope I'm wrong.
She's been preparing for this for less than a month.
It's like studying for a test in a class you didn't pay attention to all semester.

I find it odd people think she's going to win.
With the McCain/Obama debate all that was expected of Obama on Foreign Policy was to match McCain. I cannot see Palin matching Biden on domestic or foreign affairs in anyway.

The economy will be focused on heavily, which is in favor of Biden, and when the two are compared on Foreign policy I can't see her matching him, it's his special area, he knows much more about foreign affairs than she could ever, even with her studying for the past month. I really don't see how he won't be the clear winner.

But who knows until it happens. Biden will focus on getting his facts straight and not making gaffes and that's all he has to do. Palin has to win over the people she's lost in the last month, which is a much more difficult feat.

[driftsandpulls]

You will see tonight.
If only she would debate Katie Couric...
I think it will be apparent through her rhetoric that she's crammed the information she's been given.
Even if the debate isn't confrontational, she's usually her own worst enemy and the public already has an image of her that isn't likely to change simply from this debate.

[driftsandpulls]

How did you come to this conclusion?
Psychic, evidently.

[garlicgirl1210]

excuses are lame.
http://govoteabsentee.org/

[BottleRocket]

it's going to be pretty simple. all biden needs to do is step back and watch plain self destruct.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

All Biden needs to do tonight is show off his charm in terms of how he connects to people. Go over his personal history a bit but really hit Palin hard on the issues. I don't think it could be looked at as bullying if he pushes her on the issues.

[blindrider529]

All Biden needs to do tonight is show off his charm in terms of how he connects to people. Go over his personal history a bit but really hit Palin hard on the issues. I don't think it could be looked at as bullying if he pushes her on the issues.
I was thinking that at some point he ought to say something about how he knows what it feels like to be looked at as someone who constantly gaffes. He could say something in the vein of poking fun at himself for being considered this "gaffe-machine" while displaying kind of a caring touch for letting Palin know that he knows what it's like to be laughed publicly for making dumb comments. If I were him I would only say something if there just happened to be the right timing.

I mean, I think if it came up and if he was gentle about finding that common ground between their political personalities it could come off as very endearing and sweet. It certainly wouldn't make people second-guess their opinions of her, and it could be a positive for his "image."

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I was thinking that at some point he ought to say something about how he knows what it feels like to be looked at as someone who constantly gaffes. He could say something in the vein of poking fun at himself for being considered this "gaffe-machine" while displaying kind of a caring touch for letting Palin know that he knows what it's like to be laughed publicly for making dumb comments. If I were him I would only say something if there just happened to be the right timing.

I mean, I think if it came up and if he was gentle about finding that common ground between their political personalities it could come off as very endearing and sweet. It certainly wouldn't make people second-guess their opinions of her, and it could be a positive for his "image."
Good thing about Biden is that he seems pretty self-aware of himself. Case in point:
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I hope to god he has another moment like that tonight. I think Biden just has to be balanced enough to be personal with people (which shouldn't be hard) without going over the top and just be specific with the issues. Hopefully he is prepared in that regard.

[blindrider529]

I hope to god he has another moment like that tonight. I think Biden just has to be balanced enough to be personal with people (which shouldn't be hard) without going over the top and just be specific with the issues. Hopefully he is prepared in that regard.
My bet is that he will. Given that they both have been known for their mouths I can't imagine that the moderator won't ask a question or it won't be brought up in some fashion. It would be the elephant in the room.

[4N6 science]

If Biden does not intellectually crush Palin, this is the end of the world as we know it. I can't believe the lack of knowledge that Palin has. This could be a massacre tonight for the Republicans. Let's hope that she studied and remembers more Supreme Court cases other than Roe v. Wade.

[driftsandpulls]

If Biden does not intellectually crush Palin, this is the end of the world as we know it. I can't believe the lack of knowledge that Palin has. This could be a massacre tonight for the Republicans. Let's hope that she studied and remembers more Supreme Court cases other than Roe v. Wade.
True dat

[nfggc10]

I'm going to guess that tonight won't live up to the hype. I think people are building it up to the point where they're expecting her to not be able to answer anything. Biden will "win" but I'm assuming it will be forgotten in 4 or 5 days. I hope I'm wrong but it's just a hunch.

[wesgemm08]

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Too bad Biden will be called a sexist/elitist if he attacks Palin like he attacked the other candidates in the Iowa debate.

[BottleRocket]

different situation altogether though. again, biden does not have to do much other than let palin be herself and call her on her fluff bullshit when she attempts it.

[loveisdead]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-nelson/palin-biden-vp-debate-dri_b_131187.html

amazing.

[Lueda Alia]

You guys should check this (http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_92 11.php) out. It's pretty amusing.

[Adeniz19]

You guys should check this (http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_92 11.php) out. It's pretty amusing.You look like a jack-o-lantern taking a difficult crap. You just need to look less threatening.

haha

[Lueda Alia]

You look like a jack-o-lantern taking a difficult crap. You just need to look less threatening.

haha
Haha I love the parts where they talk about direct quotes. So funny, yet so sad.

[Jason Tate]

I'm thinking of grabbing a six pack for this tonight - I think I'm going to need it.

[loveisdead]

I'm thinking of grabbing a six pack for this tonight - I think I'm going to need it.
If you think six is enough to get you through this you're mistaken. Get at least a 12 or 18. It's gonna be a long night.

[mattybobviously]

Lolfest 2008.

[saysmydoctor]

I need vodka for tonight's debate. Let the drinking games begin.

[anamericangod]

I'm thinking of grabbing a six pack for this tonight - I think I'm going to need it.

I've got some Jack Daniel's, some heroin, some snacks and some lube.

Getcha' popcorn ready.

[boykosaurus]

I'm going to a show, so I'll have to catch this later. Having to read this thread after it's done will be a bitch.

[Neo Cassady]

Probably not watching. My week's been awesome so far; I'm not letting Sarah Palin ruin it.

[AmarnaReign]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/lynntdutton/wecandoit.jpg (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vcGhvdG9idWNrZXQuY29t) MySpace.Util.applyWBRToElement($get ('ctl00_cpMain_UserViewCommentsCont rol_viewComments_commentRepeater_ct l14_bodyLabel'), {frequency: 20});

[boykosaurus]

Way to fuck it up 'tard.

[Jason Tate]

Posting fail.

[Indoor Living]

Fuck this. I want The Office.

[Twizx]

I'm very excited for this debate. Should be laughs for the whole family.

[RedWineSheets]

:tv: <---me tonight.

[Jason Tate]

Fuck this. I want The Office.
:thumbdwn:

[OldJersey]

The only way I will be satisfied tonight is if Biden straight up calls Palin a retard.....I don't think I will be satisfied tonight.

[Jason Tate]

Dana Bash is fucking ridiculous. She sucks massive ass.

[nfggc10]

Fuck this. I want The Office.Sarah Palin's interviews are funnier than The Office is currently. Tonight will be an improvement in the 9:00 time slot.

[Machu505]

The only way I will be satisfied tonight is if Biden straight up calls Palin a retard.....I don't think I will be satisfied tonight.

BIDEN: "Are you fucking retarded?"

*thunderous applause*

PALIN: "Joe, we need to lower taxes!"

*Biden deadpan's the camera*

[OldJersey]

Hahahaha

[Adeniz19]

Clearly, as the candidate with less experience, Sarah Palin is a little jumpy. She is already talking about how she is just a “normal Joe Sixpack American” and if a bunch of journalists (like that known tough guy Katie Couric) want to make her look bad, so be it.

Still, I suspect Palin’s debate preppers have provided her with some all-purpose answers for Thursday night just in case. These could include:

1. “Bounces off rubber and sticks to glue.”

2. “I know you are, but what am I?”

3. “OK, so I may not know where Waziristan is, but I can see Russia from my roof.”

4. “Drill! Drill! Drill!”

5. “I don’t know the answer to that, but if you give me your address, I’ll have my husband snow machine over to your house and punch you in the nose.”

6. “How those hair plugs working out for you, Joe?”

7. “How should I know? I am not Sarah Palin, I am really Tina Fey.”

8. “Sure, I said, ‘Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States,’ but at least I didn’t plagiarize it.”

9. “The square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides. Oh, sorry. Wrong cheat sheet.”

10. “How much do you really have to know for a do-nothing job?”

You think those answers would make her look bad? I don’t. I think they would make her look great. She would look witty and entertaining, and what else can you ask for in a national leader?

[c_rob2700]

I'm republican, and i know that Palin is going to get massacred.

[RedWineSheets]

I can't wait until election night to watch fox news(only for 5 mins) to see the look on sean hannity's face and hear the excuses for why McCain lost, then followed immediately by fox news throwing McCain under the bus. I already know that they are going to say the McCain was the wrong choice in the primary.

[Machu505]

I can't wait until election night to watch fox news(only for 5 mins) to see the look on sean hannity's face and hear the excuses for why McCain lost, then followed immediately by fox news throwing McCain under the bus. I already know that they are going to say the McCain was the wrong choice in the primary.

Or they'll start saying that ol' J-Mac really won.

[Twizx]

BIDEN: "Are you fucking retarded?"

*thunderous applause*

PALIN: "Joe, we need to lower taxes!"

*Biden deadpan's the camera*

ahahahaha

[RedWineSheets]

Or they'll start saying that ol' J-Mac really won.

It is truly a pathetic cable news channel, so I wouldn't put it past them. In all honesty, I don't think this election will be close enough to dispute.

[OldJersey]

It is truly a pathetic cable news channel, so I wouldn't put it past them. In all honesty, I don't think this election will be close enough to dispute.


I like your optimism.

[RedWineSheets]

I like your optimism.

The McCain campaign is in a complete meltdown. With the new poll numbers and the economy in a daily downward spiral (according to McCain its fundamentally strong) I can't help but be optimistic.

[OldJersey]

The McCain campaign is in a complete meltdown. With the new poll numbers and the economy in a daily downward spiral (according to McCain its fundamentally strong) I can't help but be optimistic.


I agree, tonight could possibly have a big impact on the McCain campaign depending on if Biden chooses his words wisely. I just hope he doesn't come off as "sexist" which i fear is gonna be the only defense that the republicans have. I hate how much that card is being played.

[Machu505]

Tell me, who looks more badass in this picture?:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/02/vice.presidential.debate/t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg

[asmolitor]

Sarah Palin's interviews are funnier than The Office is currently. Tonight will be an improvement in the 9:00 time slot.
BIDEN: "Are you fucking retarded?"

*thunderous applause*

PALIN: "Joe, we need to lower taxes!"

*Biden deadpan's the camera*

i imagine a lot of "jim halpert" faces could come from biden tonight.

[Jason Tate]

i imagine a lot of "jim halpert" faces could come from biden tonight.
Hahah, that would be funny.

[Jason Tate]

The Swamp reports (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/national_debt_topped_10_trilli.html ) today that “on the last day of September, the national debt hit $10 trillion plus,” as the “gross national debt as a percentage of the gross domestic product has, under the Bush Administration, hit a 50-year high."

[ActionActionFan]

What time does this start at?

[loveisdead]

What time does this start at?
9:00

[Machu505]

What time does this start at?

9:00

[Jason Tate]

Well, I have a beer, some food, and my laptop. I'm excited.

[Machu505]

9:00

Damn you!

[Jason Tate]

The expectations for Palin right now are so low it's not even funny.

[the sky below]

Let's hope that she studied and remembers more Supreme Court cases other than Roe v. Wade.


Why?

Wouldn't we rather let her dig her own hole so Biden could then bury her?

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I've got some Jack Daniel's, some heroin, some snacks and some lube.

Getcha' popcorn ready.
That must be one high octane masturbation session.

Tell me, who looks more badass in this picture?:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/02/vice.presidential.debate/t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg
*cue terminator theme music*

I wanna see Joe in his element tonight. Someone once said he has to take the Ali approach in terms of giving people a show or tiring the opponent. I think we'll see that tonight.

Well, I have a beer, some food, and my laptop. I'm excited.
I wish I had a laptop so I could be here when shit goes down.

The expectations for Palin right now are so low it's not even funny.
The only expectation I have for Palin is the possibility of surprise. And even that is low.

[Jason Tate]

CNBC sure is fun to watch with all the crazy economy insanity. Haha.

[tambam]

I have a feeling this is going to be funny.

[Jason Tate]

Worst part -- the debate is in St. Louis .. that city sucks. Haha.

[Jason Tate]

Damn, commodities dropped 5% today. That's insane.

/Totally offtopic.

[tambam]

Why don't they have it in Washington or something? St. Louis seems kind of random. Or maybe it isn't and I just don't know.

[Jason Tate]

It's a sad day when the conventional wisdom is that the candidate to be a 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency only needs to not come off as an idiot to "win" the debate.

[jusscali]

I seriously hope he slays this cunt tonight...

[anamericangod]

It's a sad day when the conventional wisdom is that the candidate to be a 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency only needs to not come off as an idiot to "win" the debate.

I'm glad we as Americans have set the bar that high. What a shining beacon we are.

[Jason Tate]

45 minutes. Dun dun dun.

[jusscali]

I'm glad we as Americans have set the bar that high. What a shining beacon we are.

God Bless America!

[RedWineSheets]

It's a sad day when the conventional wisdom is that the candidate to be a 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency only needs to not come off as an idiot to "win" the debate.

haha, saw that on dailykos. its so true though.

[loveisdead]

God Bless America!
Country first. This can't start any sooner. I'm gonna run out and buy some beers for this. I wanna take on one of the vp drinking games.

[RedWineSheets]

Another point I saw on kos that was very good was, "Biden's goal? Have her defend McCain's policies. Repeatedly. Over and over again. And if he wants to go for the jugular? Ask Palin to name one substantive thing that the McCain-Palin ticket disagrees with President Bush on. One thing. As Couric would say...specifically. One striking moose in the headlights moment like that and the Biden-Obama camp can chalk it up to a win"

[IcedOpethBlind]

McFailin '08

[saysmydoctor]

Damn no vodka. I've got popcorn instead.

[IcedOpethBlind]

getcha popcorn ready

[robat19]

I wish the office was still on...

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-nelson/palin-biden-vp-debate-dri_b_131187.html

amazing.

I'm thinking of grabbing a six pack for this tonight - I think I'm going to need it.

I need vodka for tonight's debate. Let the drinking games begin.

I've got some Jack Daniel's, some heroin, some snacks and some lube.

Getcha' popcorn ready.

BIDEN: "Are you fucking retarded?"

*thunderous applause*

PALIN: "Joe, we need to lower taxes!"

*Biden deadpan's the camera*

Clearly, as the candidate with less experience, Sarah Palin is a little jumpy. She is already talking about how she is just a “normal Joe Sixpack American” and if a bunch of journalists (like that known tough guy Katie Couric) want to make her look bad, so be it.

Still, I suspect Palin’s debate preppers have provided her with some all-purpose answers for Thursday night just in case. These could include:

1. “Bounces off rubber and sticks to glue.”

2. “I know you are, but what am I?”

3. “OK, so I may not know where Waziristan is, but I can see Russia from my roof.”

4. “Drill! Drill! Drill!”

5. “I don’t know the answer to that, but if you give me your address, I’ll have my husband snow machine over to your house and punch you in the nose.”

6. “How those hair plugs working out for you, Joe?”

7. “How should I know? I am not Sarah Palin, I am really Tina Fey.”

8. “Sure, I said, ‘Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States,’ but at least I didn’t plagiarize it.”

9. “The square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides. Oh, sorry. Wrong cheat sheet.”

10. “How much do you really have to know for a do-nothing job?”

You think those answers would make her look bad? I don’t. I think they would make her look great. She would look witty and entertaining, and what else can you ask for in a national leader?

Damn no vodka. I've got popcorn instead.



This is insanity...
The country is in utter shambles, the Cub-Killer "wins" if she doesn't start crying, the world economy is falling apart because of you (or so it is told...) and everything is just going to hell, but still you people make me laugh more than I have in months...

This fucking settles it. I'm moving to the US.

[bradyreier]

I wish the office was still on...
VP debate > The Office

Especially after the first episode this season.

[nfggc10]

Why do conservatives keep saying "she understands the average American and the things they're going through? Even if that were true it's irrelevant unless she actually has solutions to those problems. Most people understand the problems and are feeling them but that doesn't mean they hold the key to solve them.

Geeeeez.

[Trainsaw]

i'm pretty pumped up for the "Sarah Palin Comedy Hour" tonight

[&IllBeTheReason]

All the undecided's I've spoken to today are really depending on this debate to make their decision.
Tonight is paramount.


DUN DUN DUN
(21 minutes)

[bradyreier]

I just don't understand how someone could still be undecided at this point.

[Jason Tate]

All the undecided's I've spoken to today are really depending on this debate to make their decision.
Tonight is paramount.


DUN DUN DUN
(21 minutes)
That makes no sense to me IMO.

[Trainsaw]

All the undecided's I've spoken to today are really depending on this debate to make their decision.
Tonight is paramount.


DUN DUN DUN
(21 minutes)

I don't really get why a VP debate should sway someone's decision on who to vote for. I mean the VP is important, but not so much that it decides on who you vote for

[nfggc10]

I just don't understand how someone could still be undecided at this point.Anyone saying they're undecided at this point either hasn't been following the news at all or is looking for attention.

[anamericangod]

Why do conservatives keep saying "she understands the average American and the things they're going through? Even if that were true it's irrelevant unless she actually has solutions to those problems. Most people understand the problems and are feeling them but that doesn't mean they hold the key to solve them.

Geeeeez.

Because most Americans are dumb as fuck.

[Jason Tate]

Anyone saying they're undecided at this point either hasn't been following the news at all or is looking for attention.
I agree with you.

[&IllBeTheReason]

That makes no sense to me IMO.
My lunch table has been a battle ground the whole week. The outright scrambling to make excuses for Palin has almost funny. If things go well, it will be silent tomorrow.

[Trainsaw]

so they're saying Palin is gonna attack Biden's foreign policy blunders, i hope he shuts her down rather quickly.

[Jason Tate]

Anderson Cooper is such a bad ass.

[anamericangod]

Hopefully we ditch the democratic process and form some sort of oligarchy. I'm tired of so many fucking stupid people fucking up the country. People think they have a duty to be involved even if they are uninformed and naive. It's really frustrating.

[RedWineSheets]

http://www.palinbingo.com/

hahahahahaha

[&IllBeTheReason]

I don't really get why a VP debate should sway someone's decision on who to vote for. I mean the VP is important, but not so much that it decides on who you vote for
These people don't mind McCain so much. What they're concerned about is him dying and her taking over. Her behavior will determine how afraid of that they should be.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

so they're saying Palin is gonna attack Biden's foreign policy blunders, i hope he shuts her down rather quickly.

Wouldn't "at least I've been outside of our borders" be enough to shut her down?

[bradyreier]

Today, my mom actually had some ask her whether Bush is a republican or democrat - true story. :hitself:

Basically makes me want to give up on our society.

[Jason Tate]

so they're saying Palin is gonna attack Biden's foreign policy blunders, i hope he shuts her down rather quickly.
If I were her I would not mess with him on foreign policy. I would say he knows it better than almost anyone on that topic.

[incredulous]

Anyone saying they're undecided at this point either hasn't been following the news at all or is looking for attention.
Or thinks they're stuck choosing between two evils.

[Machu505]

Hopefully we ditch the democratic process and form some sort of oligarchy. I'm tired of so many fucking stupid people fucking up the country. People think they have a duty to be involved even if they are uninformed and naive. It's really frustrating.

We should just let Bruce Springsteen decide who wins.

[Lueda Alia]

I'm going to put some more beers in the fridge.

[bradyreier]

Anderson Cooper is such a bad ass.
I love A.C.

[bradyreier]

Or thinks they're stuck choosing between two evils.
Then why even pick one?

[Jason Tate]

I love A.C.
He's leaning up and looking awesome. Haha.

[Chancetobe]

I'm excited - if this goes as I assume it will, then it will be hilarious, because Palin will make a complete fool of herself. However, I'm almost hoping that her coming across as so clueless recently was just a ploy by the McCain camp to set the bar for her really low - so that she can exceed expectations and really impress everyone tonight. I mean, it makes me sad to think that any possible leader of our country (if McCain is elected and passes within his 4 years) could be so clueless. It also scares me a little bit how conservative some of her views are, but, that's really just a difference in opinion.

[djUbilla]

Here's a solid poll question:

What channel are you guys watching the debate on?

[bradyreier]

He's leaning up and looking awesome. Haha.
Stud, haha. 360 is probably my favorite CNN program.

[nfggc10]

We should just let Bruce Springsteen decide who wins.Works for me.

[wesgemm08]

I am going to add "Average American" as a qualification on my resume.

[bradyreier]

Here's a solid poll question:

What channel are you guys watching the debate on?
CNN for me

[Machu505]

Here's a solid poll question:

What channel are you guys watching the debate on?

CNN

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

I'm excited - if this goes as I assume it will, then it will be hilarious, because Palin will make a complete fool of herself. However, I'm almost hoping that her coming across as so clueless recently was just a ploy by the McCain camp to set the bar for her really low - so that she can exceed expectations and really impress everyone tonight. I mean, it makes me sad to think that any possible leader of our country (if McCain is elected and passes within his 4 years) could be so clueless. It also scares me a little bit how conservative some of her views are, but, that's really just a difference in opinion.

Even us seemingly unaffected kids all the way over here have understood that this couldn't possibly be a ploy. There is no way, and I know it's fucking depressing but it doesn't even make sense that she is doing this, that she is in the running for VP for the last remaining superpower on Earth.

[Trainsaw]

Wouldn't "at least I've been outside of our borders" be enough to shut her down?

I'd think so, but i dunno if Biden would be that blunt about it.

If I were her I would not mess with him on foreign policy. I would say he knows it better than almost anyone on that topic.

True, but who knows w/ that woman....i think she's moving from being just below legally retarded to batshit crazy.

I wish he would just go in there and make her look like a fool. I don't like the whole, he can't look like he's "bullying" her cause people will say he's picking on a woman. Even she said that it would be sexist if he treated her differently.

[Jason Tate]

8 minutes.

[anamericangod]

Al-Jazeera

[bradyreier]

Alright, I'm off to get ready. I'll be chatting with you all after it's over - enjoy!

[Trainsaw]

my parents are playing the Maverick drinking game tonight

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Prediction: Sarah Palin comes off as decent debater and says coherent sentences. Biden shows off how smart he is and looks very presidental.

[nfggc10]

I love CNN but this audience reaction thing is dumb.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

[quote=Trainsaw;22299652]I'd think so, but i dunno if Biden would be that blunt about it.

If he did, he'd probably win all of this for Obama. Really. I'm willing to bet that a deadpan like that would destroy Palin.

[Trainsaw]

someone correct me if i'm wrong but don't both candidates agree on the moderator?

[Jason Tate]

Perception analyzer. Hahah.

[incredulous]

I'm excited - if this goes as I assume it will, then it will be hilarious, because Palin will make a complete fool of herself. However, I'm almost hoping that her coming across as so clueless recently was just a ploy by the McCain camp to set the bar for her really low - so that she can exceed expectations and really impress everyone tonight. I mean, it makes me sad to think that any possible leader of our country (if McCain is elected and passes within his 4 years) could be so clueless. It also scares me a little bit how conservative some of her views are, but, that's really just a difference in opinion.
She probably won't crash and burn if she avoids addressing issues at all and just brings everything back to "I'm a mom, I understand what you're going through--I'm one of you! I didn't get you into this mess, but I have the maverick spirit/gun collection to get you out of it".

[RedWineSheets]

Not even a chuckle at palinbingo.com ?

[Jason Tate]

Prediction: Sarah Palin comes off as decent debater and says coherent sentences. Biden shows off how smart he is and looks very presidental.
I would agree with this.

[Jason Tate]

someone correct me if i'm wrong but don't both candidates agree on the moderator?
Yes.

[anamericangod]

someone correct me if i'm wrong but don't both candidates agree on the moderator?

Incorrect, actually. The Republicans are crying that she is biased because she has a book on Obama coming out.

[Jason Tate]

Not even a chuckle at palinbingo.com ?
We looked at it earlier today.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

China, India and possibly Russia will be super powers in our lifetime. Whether America will remain one I'm not sure.

I'm sure they will be. But I'm talking about right now since tonight could change how the next 4 years are going to be rather drastically.

[Jason Tate]

Incorrect, actually. The Republicans are crying that she is biased because she has a book on Obama coming out.
It's not on Obama. It's on african american politicians.

[Trainsaw]

Incorrect, actually. The Republicans are crying that she is biased because she has a book on Obama coming out.

I know of the "hoopla" but i thought they agree on the moderator before the debate takes place, who picks that person then?

[RedWineSheets]

o lol my bad.

[Jason Tate]

Oh, it's sexist already! Are you kidding me!

[Jason Tate]

I know of the "hoopla" but i thought they agree on the moderator before the debate takes place, who picks that person then?
They did - both candidates signed off.

[anamericangod]

It's not on Obama. It's on african american politicians.

She supports blacks. She must be biased. Oh God, she is black. What are they thinking. Pretty dumb they spun that story that way if the book isn't about Obama.

[Jason Tate]

3 minutes. Let's get ready to rumble.

[3mpire]

Is there anywhere I can watch this online from the UK?

[Trainsaw]

3 mins to go, McCain better boot Palin up, for his sake i hope he doesn't get a BSoD

[nfggc10]

Alright, let's do this.

[Trainsaw]

They did - both candidates signed off.

ah ok

[Jason Tate]

Jon King has very blue eyes.

[Chancetobe]

It's not on Obama. It's on african american politicians.

I don't really know why the McCain camp is trying to spin this book so hard. The book mentions Obama, big deal. It's not a book solely devoted to singing his praises. And when she moderated the VP debate 4 years ago, she was completely unbiased.

[RedWineSheets]

try channelsurfing.net

thats how I watch european football sometimes.

[wesgemm08]

Campbell<3

[Jason Tate]

I bet these don't touch the polls more than .5 a point. Hah. We're watching for entertainment value only at this time I think.

[Trainsaw]

I don't really know why the McCain camp is trying to spin this book so hard. The book mentions Obama, big deal. It's not a book solely devoted to singing his praises. And when she moderated the VP debate 4 years ago, she was completely unbiased.

the last i heard of it i think McCain gave up w/ the "Life's not fair" deal

[RedWineSheets]

Jon King has very blue eyes.

You must be feeling gay tonight, first AC now John King?

[Machu505]

I predict Palin will set the stage on fire.

[Jason Tate]

Campbell<3
Would.

[Jason Tate]

the last i heard of it i think McCain gave up w/ the "Life's not fair" deal
Hahahaha. Yeah.

[Jason Tate]

You must be feeling gay tonight, first AC now John King?
It's the beer.

[Machu505]

Roland Martin is coolio.

[Chancetobe]

the last i heard of it i think McCain gave up w/ the "Life's not fair" deal

That's good.

[Trainsaw]

Campbell<3

very much so

[Jason Tate]

And here .. we ... go!

[anamericangod]

Jon King has very blue eyes.

There was a kid named John King in my high school classes. This was when the Iraq war started as well, and the CNN John King was always reporting from Iraq and we'd watch tv all the time in class. The John King we went to school with had horrible attendance, so we always joked "Oh he's just in Iraq again, that's an excused absence."

[Jason Tate]

I can't stand Palin's voice. Seriously. Nails. Chalkboard.

[nfggc10]

A bit nervous.

[dpatrickguy]

i have some conservative facebook friends who are talking about bill o reilly tonight, anyone catch it? i want to know what they're talking about

[Jason Tate]

Apparently this book has been in the works for months, and it got controversial all of a sudden. The GOP is into making news however it can. Headlines = votes to them apparently.
They knew about the book before too.

[Jason Tate]

That's good.
Life is not fair.

[Anton Djamoos]

Let's do this.

[wesgemm08]

Lets go Biden.. Rep the 302

[Jason Tate]

i have some conservative facebook friends who are talking about bill o reilly tonight, anyone catch it? i want to know what they're talking about
He's a douche?

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

What the hell? You guys get to see Palin get slaughtered AND read drunken Tate posts?

No fair...

[bradyreier]

Here we go!

[Anton Djamoos]

And here .. we ... go!
Haha, exactly.

[sjb2k1]

got my beer and my sarah palin bingo cards. READY SET GO

[Jason Tate]

Why is the perception meter for Ohio voters? Haha, weird.

[dretti]

And here .. we ... go!

Ha. beat me to it

[Jason Tate]

got my beer and my sarah palin bingo cards. READY SET GO
Yeah!

I needed alcohol to not start screaming. I will probably anyway.

[Anton Djamoos]

Why is the perception meter for Ohio voters? Haha, weird.
I was just thinking the same thing.

Oh good, the audience promises to be polite.

[Trainsaw]

she emerges!

[dpatrickguy]

He's a douche?

that much is evident

[anamericangod]

"Hey can I call you Joe."

[ikikwe]

God, I hate her. I hate her so much.

[AbeLurkin]

"hey, can i call you joe!?"

[Jason Tate]

BIDEN! GO GO BIDEN!

Fuck you Palin, look at those stupid pins on your gay outfit.

"Can I call you Joe?" Hhaahahahahahahaha. She sounds nervous.

[nfggc10]

Calling him Joe? I thought that was disrespectful ha.

[dpatrickguy]

"Hey can I call you Joe."

hes a righteous dude

[saysmydoctor]

Can I call you Joe?

[Trainsaw]

Why is the perception meter for Ohio voters? Haha, weird.

they made a comment earlier that no Republican President has ever won the office w/o winning Ohio

[robat19]

i thought she said bro at first, then i rewound it.

[Jason Tate]

Good start. Biden is a very good debater IMO.

[Anton Djamoos]

BIDEN! GO GO BIDEN!

Fuck you Palin, look at those stupid pins on your gay outfit.

"Can I call you Joe?" Hhaahahahahahahaha. She sounds nervous.
I think I'm just going to read your posts all night. Definitely going to be more entertaining than the debate.

[incredulous]

"Can I call you Joe?"
Yay, more Palin ignorance.

[ikikwe]

Yeah, this answer is flawless. No stuttering or anything. Good start.

[Trainsaw]

he's definitely relaxed

[anamericangod]

My name is Joe. I'd make her call me Senator Joe. Possibly J-Dog or J-Dizzle.

[Jason Tate]

Good speaker. I thought he was a very good debater in the primaries as well.

[dpatrickguy]

yay for the family card

[Jason Tate]

Fuck off Palin. You're annoying as shit. Eat a dick.

Kids soccer game? Hahahaha, oh, choke.

[dretti]

jesus christ she is dumb. kids soccer game? seriously?

quit the emotional bullshit

[ikikwe]

What!? Kid's Soccer!? The Fuck! No! Dont Leave Answers To Fucking Soccer Moms!

[Machu505]

Soccer game? Really?

[FstFtsVsFences]

Ugh, I didn't realize her voice was this grating.

[Anton Djamoos]

Fuck off Palin. You're annoying as shit. Eat a dick.

Kids soccer game? Hahahaha, oh, choke.
Haha, she had to throw the soccer game comment in.

[nfggc10]

Reform!

[wesgemm08]

I am a female robot. All of this was written down for me.

[Trainsaw]

No one has it harder in America than soccer moms. Fuck your plight, workers in Michigan

[Lueda Alia]

I almost feel bad for her. Honestly.

[incredulous]

Right off the bat with the mom stuff from Palin. But she referenced soccer instead of hockey. She's trying to reach out to America.

[FstFtsVsFences]

I am a female robot. All of this was written down for me.
Hahahaha basically.

[Jason Tate]

Well, she's not crying yet.

AND HE DID NOT SUSPEND ANYTHING. Fuck that.

[IcedOpethBlind]

boy this thread is far from biased

/voting democrat

[Anton Djamoos]

Right off the bat with the mom stuff from Palin. But she referenced soccer instead of hockey. She's trying to reach out to America.
If she's trying to reach out to America, she wouldn't talk about soccer haha.

[Trainsaw]

I almost feel bad for her. Honestly.

No reason to, she took the spot knowing damn well what her strengths and weaknesses were, and knew what was coming at her

[Jason Tate]

Boom. Slam that Biden. Atta kid!

[dpatrickguy]

good response.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

Soccer moms have it rough? Oh well...

[Jason Tate]

No he wasn't you lying sack of fucking shit. Hahahaha.

[dpatrickguy]

they have fundamentally changed the meaning of fundamentals

[ikikwe]

Nice try to save McCain, bitch.

[nfggc10]

Maverick!

[Jason Tate]

"A team of Mavericks"

:rotfl:

[incredulous]

Did she just wink? Hahahahahaha. That'll make the country stop thinking of you as a naughty secretary.

[Machu505]

Oh god mavericks ahah

[utgjames]

Biden looks at her as if she should just burst into flames...love it!

[Anton Djamoos]

Enough with the word maverick already. Dirk Nowitski is a maverick, John McCain is not.

[Özgür Kurtoglu]

If she's trying to reach out to America, she wouldn't talk about soccer haha.

I hate you for that, Anton...


...but you're right. Dammit.

[Jason Tate]

Get down to getting business done.

:lol:

[FstFtsVsFences]

New energy is going to be McCain? Really?

[Adrian Villagomez]

Something new? Different? She forgot who her running mate is.

[Lueda Alia]

No reason to, she took the spot knowing damn well what her strengths and weaknesses were, and knew what was coming at her
I know, but I sometimes wonder if she knew what she was signing up for. Meh. It's a messed up situation.