View Full Version : Bands that use Auto Tune
prlyknitswtr
10/07/08, 07:38 AM
Just wanted to see what people think of these types of bands. the most commonly known are the secret handshake, medic droid and hellogoodbye.
anyone know of some other bands that use the same sort of vocal effect? seems they are few and far between.
FeynmanWannabe
10/07/08, 07:51 AM
Just wanted to see what people think of these types of bands. the most commonly known are the secret handshake, medic droid and hellogoodbye.
anyone know of some other bands that use the same sort of vocal effect? seems they are few and far between. :eyebrow:
underthetalking
10/07/08, 08:09 AM
Auto tune isn't just a vocal effect. Its also a recording tool that is used by many many artists. Max Bemis, for one, uses auto tune at his live show not just for a vocal effect, but to clean up the sound of his voice when he goes for those harder notes. The girl from Lydia does the same.
IWasaCamera
10/07/08, 08:29 AM
Just wanted to see what people think of these types of bands. the most commonly known are the secret handshake, medic droid and hellogoodbye.
anyone know of some other bands that use the same sort of vocal effect? seems they are few and far between.
haha
SamEyes
10/07/08, 08:49 AM
I use it in my solo project,
And there are loads of bands that use it, a lot of dance acts use it for that robot effect, and as underthetalking pointed out a load of artists use it to clean up their singing so they sound better, think of it as a natural sounding auto tune.
But yeah, there are quite a few "auto tune bands" about. Owl City uses it, but not as obviously, Kill Paradise, Handshakes and Highfives, Forever With Diamonds, The Spin Cycle, Nice Guys Finish First, loads.
DudeNateIsSoRad
10/07/08, 08:51 AM
I CAN NAME YOU ALOT... don't get me started.
theguy77
10/07/08, 10:19 AM
Just wanted to see what people think of these types of bands. the most commonly known are the secret handshake, medic droid and hellogoodbye.
anyone know of some other bands that use the same sort of vocal effect? seems they are few and far between.
lol
you can use autotune at different levels. those bands put it on full force to get that robotic sounding effect but i guarantee 80% of the pop-sensible artists out there if not more use a moderate amount to correct their pitch mistakes. theres a very skewed view of what auto-tune is though, its not for people who dont have any sense of pitch, it will correct those people to all the wrong notes unless you map out the melody in the studio. its more like not everyone can be a pop singer, and its not hard to hit the right note, but it is hard to hit the exact frequency within each note -- even some of the more talented rock singers out there will have a couple slightly sharp or slightly flat notes in almost every phrase they sing. and if the singer truly is talented these flaws will not be noticable to like 97% of the listeners, but studio work is meticulous, you have to be a prefectionist when you're recording.
in my own recent experience recording vocals in a studio, however, i believe in a natural sound. i made my engineer turn down the auto-tune so much that it hardly corrects anything. all it really does in my case, is let me know right away when im singing slightly off, because i have the autotune in my headphones while im recording, and if i hear dissonance between what im singing and what im hearing, then i know right off that i messed up, so i can stop the recording and restart that phrase without wasting time. but even after my good takes go through, if you have a good ear and listen closely you can still detect a few slight mistakes here and there, but im leaving them in because it adds to the natural vibe im going for.
I use it in my solo project,
Pussy.
llwilliamsll
10/07/08, 02:21 PM
Not a fan of auto-tune.
Bob Payne
10/07/08, 02:46 PM
You are thinking of vocoders, which are sequencers/synthezisers that most of the afforementioned acts use. Autotune refers to note correction in-studio.
But if we're naming bands, the metal band At All Cost (http://www.myspace.com/atallcost) use vocoded vocals for clean vox/parts. They're a pretty good band.
SamEyes
10/07/08, 04:57 PM
Pussy.
Hahahaha.
I use it for the effect, and I'm doing quite well with it so I really couldn't give two shits what you say.
I also share lead vocals in a band - not auto tuned - so it's not as if I have a bad voice and need it.
SamEyes
10/07/08, 04:59 PM
You are thinking of vocoders, which are sequencers/synthezisers that most of the afforementioned acts use. Autotune refers to note correction in-studio.
But if we're naming bands, the metal band At All Cost (http://www.myspace.com/atallcost) use vocoded vocals for clean vox/parts. They're a pretty good band.
Well, technically auto tuners are vocoders, they change the pitch of notes, although most vocoders change the texture of the vocal too, or do harmonies with them, I know that the hellogoodbye and medic droid effect is done using auto tune,
You can hear when it goes between notes and sort of wavers, or slides up note by note, missing out pitches in between whereas a vocoder would be programmed to have the right notes at the right time and this wouldn't happen.
ForeverDelayed
10/07/08, 10:39 PM
Cher.
sugarcoatedlies
10/08/08, 12:56 AM
All the bands that got big off myspace...
absolutecrunk
10/08/08, 01:14 AM
Max Bemis hits hard notes?
lew_1987
10/08/08, 03:06 AM
Most of them.
Paulb-182
10/08/08, 03:08 AM
too many to name
Pretty much every band recording.
fadedmemories
10/08/08, 07:17 AM
I can stand the use of auto-tune as long as they don't abuse it
Regards
10/08/08, 07:21 AM
Max Bemis hits hard notes?
We have the technology, we can build him.
cereal4life
10/08/08, 07:56 AM
Haha good call.
Aside from a few key posts, most of this thread is filled with people who have no idea what auto-tune is, does, or how it works.
-ACA
prlyknitswtr
10/08/08, 08:55 AM
geez i guess i should have been more specific...
i am not "really" a fan of dance oriented music. the only band i generally like in that genre is Medic Droid. i know i'll probably get flamed for that but hey i like the vocal styling and i dig the auto-tune effects and how exaggerated they are, it fits that type of music imo.
i know artists use it to "clean up" their notes or whatever and hey why not, whatever makes them sound better live and on record.
hopefully that clears my name haha.
SamEyes
10/08/08, 09:24 AM
Aside from a few key posts, most of this thread is filled with people who have no idea what auto-tune is, does, or how it works.
-ACA
Haha I noticed that.
Kyle Huntington
10/08/08, 09:29 AM
lol
you can use autotune at different levels. those bands put it on full force to get that robotic sounding effect but i guarantee 80% of the pop-sensible artists out there if not more use a moderate amount to correct their pitch mistakes. theres a very skewed view of what auto-tune is though, its not for people who dont have any sense of pitch, it will correct those people to all the wrong notes unless you map out the melody in the studio. its more like not everyone can be a pop singer, and its not hard to hit the right note, but it is hard to hit the exact frequency within each note -- even some of the more talented rock singers out there will have a couple slightly sharp or slightly flat notes in almost every phrase they sing. and if the singer truly is talented these flaws will not be noticable to like 97% of the listeners, but studio work is meticulous, you have to be a prefectionist when you're recording.
in my own recent experience recording vocals in a studio, however, i believe in a natural sound. i made my engineer turn down the auto-tune so much that it hardly corrects anything. all it really does in my case, is let me know right away when im singing slightly off, because i have the autotune in my headphones while im recording, and if i hear dissonance between what im singing and what im hearing, then i know right off that i messed up, so i can stop the recording and restart that phrase without wasting time. but even after my good takes go through, if you have a good ear and listen closely you can still detect a few slight mistakes here and there, but im leaving them in because it adds to the natural vibe im going for.
Sums it up nicely and I have a very similar attitude to recording vocals.
Praetor
10/08/08, 01:13 PM
Aside from a few key posts, most of this thread is filled with people who have no idea what auto-tune is, does, or how it works.
-ACA
Thank God you are here to set us straight. What would we do without you?
viva la cymche!
10/08/08, 01:16 PM
The use of Autotune is despicable unless it's totally obvious. The bands that secretly autotune here and there because they can't sing, those bands suck.
theguy77
10/08/08, 01:23 PM
Thank God you are here to set us straight. What would we do without you?
hes actually right though, i had the same uneducated view on auto-tune as most people until i started recording in the studio. before i was like "if you cant sing you shouldnt do it in the studio" but again for the vast majority it has nothing to do with correcting wrong notes, if it were used for that it would be extremely noticable and unnatural. its mostly used for a smoother recording process on a limited budget really, and how much of it is corrective depends on the artist and/or producer.
x togepi x
10/08/08, 01:26 PM
hes actually right though, i had the same uneducated view on auto-tune as most people until i started recording in the studio. before i was like "if you cant sing you shouldnt do it in the studio" but again for the vast majority it has nothing to do with correcting wrong notes, if it were used for that it would be extremely noticable and unnatural. its mostly used for a smoother recording process on a limited budget really, and how much of it is corrective depends on the artist and/or producer.
interesting. this is the exact fucking thing i tried telling you months ago and you chose blind ignorance.
anyone who says they won't use autotune better not be recording their music because there's always going to be a shitload of effects on your music, even if you're super DIY. it's inevitably going to end up being, at least, compressed.
theguy77
10/08/08, 01:33 PM
interesting. this is the exact fucking thing i tried telling you months ago and you chose blind ignorance.
anyone who says they won't use autotune better not be recording their music because there's always going to be a shitload of effects on your music, even if you're super DIY. it's inevitably going to end up being, at least, compressed.
yeah you love beating dead horses dont you. considering i said in my post, "i held the same uneducated opinion before i went into the studio," like i dont need you to tell me again that i was wrong. besides you're always so haughty and condescending when you're correcting people so its not like you can expect anyone to respect what you're saying.
x togepi x
10/08/08, 01:38 PM
yeah you love beating dead horses dont you. considering i said in my post, "i held the same uneducated opinion before i went into the studio," like i dont need you to tell me again that i was wrong. besides you're always so haughty and condescending when you're correcting people so its not like you can expect anyone to respect what you're saying.
i don't need respect from someone as worthless as you. i was just pointing out how right i was.
everyone that uses auto tune has a small weiner. AND they like global warming.
WutRickAstley?
10/08/08, 02:02 PM
This is a tad off topic, but have any of you guys used Melodyne? It's much better at pitch correction than autotune IMO. It usually takes a bit more tweaking, but vocals usually come out sounding completely natural (if that's what you are going for). When you take out all the pitch modulation it get's a slightly more subtle robot effect.
nikaidoh
10/08/08, 02:13 PM
Daft Punk, although considering they are a techno/electronica group i guess that's not too surprising
SamEyes
10/09/08, 05:42 PM
Some producers even use auto tune so that they don't have to use auto tune, kinda like what theguy was saying with monitoring whilst recording vocals with the auto tune on the vocals,
They record phrases then use the feedback from what they've put in to see where they've gone wrong and what they need to work on/correct.
It doesn't mean the singer can't sing, it can actually improve a singers voice. I use it mostly for effect, but I have been known to use it more subtly, and I can tell you you have to be pretty damn close to the notes you want it to hit, or it won't correct it to the right pitch. It can help, but it can't do miracles.
So no, shit singers won't sound incredible with auto tune, it's a help, not a miracle worker.
SamEyes
10/09/08, 05:45 PM
Daft Punk, although considering they are a techno/electronica group i guess that's not too surprising
I think that's more of a vocoder than auto-tune, in the sense that they probably play the melody they want the vocals to do through a keyboard, rather than have it tuned automatically.
Sounds kinda like the same thing but there's a difference, it's more manual tune than auto tune, as they are whacking the notes in.
viva la cymche!
10/09/08, 05:47 PM
Okay, I'm assuming that Autotune can make your vocals sound better if it's out of pitch or something, but I'm probably wrong. Can someone please explain what it actually does?
SamEyes
10/09/08, 05:53 PM
Okay, I'm assuming that Autotune can make your vocals sound better if it's out of pitch or something, but I'm probably wrong. Can someone please explain what it actually does?
Well, yeah, that's what it does haha. You've just said it.
It basically gets an image of your vocal line, showing where it is in and out of pitch, and depending on how high you set it, it'll whack your vocals into tune by shifting any parts that are out of tune up or down in pitch so that they hit the right note, although, depending on the scale, you have to be quite close to the note you're trying to hit, or it'll tune to the wrong note in the scale and sound bollocks.
If you set the auto tune up obscenely high, it corrects every note instantly and perfectly throughout the duration of the whole note, and gives it that instant switch, pitch perfect robot effect, because the note isn't changing at all, something which isn't natural sounding because humans can't hold an ENTIRELY perfect note. It basically takes out all variation in pitch from that note. Used more subtly it can just be a vocal tool to improve a slightly off take, by gently pitch shifting the notes, thus keeping the natural wavers and vibrato, and making it sound a bit sweeter.
viva la cymche!
10/09/08, 06:32 PM
Well, yeah, that's what it does haha. You've just said it.
It basically gets an image of your vocal line, showing where it is in and out of pitch, and depending on how high you set it, it'll whack your vocals into tune by shifting any parts that are out of tune up or down in pitch so that they hit the right note, although, depending on the scale, you have to be quite close to the note you're trying to hit, or it'll tune to the wrong note in the scale and sound bollocks.
If you set the auto tune up obscenely high, it corrects every note instantly and perfectly throughout the duration of the whole note, and gives it that instant switch, pitch perfect robot effect, because the note isn't changing at all, something which isn't natural sounding because humans can't hold an ENTIRELY perfect note. It basically takes out all variation in pitch from that note. Used more subtly it can just be a vocal tool to improve a slightly off take, by gently pitch shifting the notes, thus keeping the natural wavers and vibrato, and making it sound a bit sweeter. Okay, that makes more sense. I still stand by it that I don't think bands should ever use it, unless they're going for that "pitch perfect robot effect" because bands that try to sneak it in... they're just bad.
SamEyes
10/09/08, 06:35 PM
Okay, that makes more sense. I still stand by it that I don't think bands should ever use it, unless they're going for that "pitch perfect robot effect" because bands that try to sneak it in... they're just bad.
You're missing the point,
It's not correcting bad singers,
Even amazing singers are gonna ever so slighty miss a note, and all auto tune is snap it back into place,
If it's a shocking take, they'd just do it again, auto tune is mostly used in post just to correct any small problems with sharp or flat notes, it just makes the whole thing sound a lot nicer, cleaner.
KINDA like triggering drums to get a better sound out of them, it's still the drummer, it just sounds a bit nicer.
viva la cymche!
10/09/08, 06:40 PM
You're missing the point,
It's not correcting bad singers,
Even amazing singers are gonna ever so slighty miss a note, and all auto tune is snap it back into place,
If it's a shocking take, they'd just do it again, auto tune is mostly used in post just to correct any small problems with sharp or flat notes, it just makes the whole thing sound a lot nicer, cleaner.
KINDA like triggering drums to get a better sound out of them, it's still the drummer, it just sounds a bit nicer. Oh, okay, that's where I was messing up. Cause I constantly hear "Oh, (bad screamo/pop-punk band) autotunes they're vocals, so I had always thought that autotuning was making a bad singer sound good. But what happens if said autotuning using artist tries to sing the song live?
SamEyes
10/09/08, 06:47 PM
Oh, okay, that's where I was messing up. Cause I constantly hear "Oh, (bad screamo/pop-punk band) autotunes they're vocals, so I had always thought that autotuning was making a bad singer sound good. But what happens if said autotuning using artist tries to sing the song live?
Yeah that's a common belief, the whole like "SHIT VOCAL -> AUTO TUNER -> AMAZING VOCAL" thing isn't really that true, unless you have someone who is shit hot at it, but it's a difficult art to make it sound natural, which is why I think a fair few bands have made it "fashionable" to have obvious auto tuners, but using obvious auto tune myself I can't really comment on that being down to lack of skill, as I've been told I can sing quite well.
And ahh live, one of two options, use an auto tuner live, or sound shit basically.
Oh or mime.
Or learn to sing.
So four really haha.
LamarVannoy
10/09/08, 07:12 PM
The use of Autotune is despicable unless it's totally obvious. The bands that secretly autotune here and there because they can't sing, those bands suck.
eg Metro Station.
they performed on Australian Idol while they were here a few days ago and they were terrible. the dude cannot sing for shit.
SamEyes
10/10/08, 10:24 AM
eg Metro Station.
they performed on Australian Idol while they were here a few days ago and they were terrible. the dude cannot sing for shit.
Haha, owned.
I've not heard that much of them, but what I did hear didn't sound like it had much auto tune on it? I could be wrong though.
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