Who's the better post-hardcore band? [Archive]

Alan Rupp

02/18/05, 05:44 AM

id love for someone to define post hardcore
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth. Some post-hardcore bands, like Fugazi and Quicksand, had roots in the beginnings of hardcore punk and were able to broaden their sound as they became more skilled musicians. Younger bands flowered into post-hardcore after cutting their teeth in high school punk bands. Chicago and Washington, D.C. were particularly fertile areas for this style, which has extended into the early 2000s.
It's not perfect, but they say it better than I could.

trustmeimokay

02/18/05, 06:16 AM

I don't like Glassjaw but Daryl gets points because Head Automatic is just that good.

But I voted Thursday.

Caleb Cattivera

02/18/05, 06:27 AM

to be honest, ive heard two glassjaw songs, and thought they both sucked royally...and i think geoff rickley's voice sucks balls...so neither one

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 06:31 AM

Is GlassJAw post hardcore?

jaimej

02/18/05, 06:35 AM

Is GlassJAw post hardcore?
oh no here we go again...

Signals Corrupted

02/18/05, 06:35 AM

to be honest, ive heard two glassjaw songs, and thought they both sucked royally

how could you say such a thing. :(:(

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 06:36 AM

to be honest, ive heard two glassjaw songs, and thought they both sucked royally...and i think geoff rickley's voice sucks balls...so neither one
I think you're mistaken.

dumbcorey

02/18/05, 06:36 AM

thursday

trustmeimokay

02/18/05, 06:37 AM

to be honest, ive heard two glassjaw songs, and thought they both sucked royally...and i think geoff rickley's voice sucks balls...so neither one
I agree with you on the Glassjaw comment but...

That Geoff comment is blasphemy.

__Deformative.

02/18/05, 06:37 AM

I need to get Worship and Tribute. The only Glassjaw CD I have is EYEWTNAS or whatever the acronym is. Point is, it's good.

Thursday's better, though.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 06:38 AM

If you want it, just IM me.

__Deformative.

02/18/05, 06:42 AM

If you want it, just IM me.

I'll have to wait till I'm not at work. Bleh.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 06:54 AM

Alright.

Oh, and we do have the same Blood Brothers shirt.

I'm wearing mine now.

Chemical Love

02/18/05, 07:18 AM

i said glassjaw.

__Deformative.

02/18/05, 07:20 AM

Alright.

Oh, and we do have the same Blood Brothers shirt.

I'm wearing mine now.

Sweet!

Caleb Cattivera

02/18/05, 07:21 AM

I think you're mistaken.

im NOT mistaken...its my opinon therefore, theres no mistake...just what i think, just two bands im not impressed with at all

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 07:23 AM

im NOT mistaken...its my opinon therefore, theres no mistake...just what i think, just two bands im not impressed with at all
I think you're mistaken.

Love As Arson

02/18/05, 08:00 AM

Is GlassJAw post hardcore?
Yes.

Both bands are great, but I'll have to go with Thursday.

Geoff and Daryl have great voices and screams.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 08:07 AM

Yes.

Both bands are great, but I'll have to go with Thursday.

Geoff and Daryl have great voices and screams.
Wow.

I would have thought they were more hardcore than post hardcore.

FinchBulldog2

02/18/05, 08:07 AM

I'm on the losing side of both of my recent polls. I guess Thursday can't be denied on this site.

Love As Arson

02/18/05, 08:07 AM

Wow.

I would have thought they were more hardcore than post hardcore.
Don't make me sad, TJ.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 08:10 AM

Don't make me sad, TJ.
Haha.

I mean, I would definitely say that Worship and Tribute is.

And I can see it on Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence.

They just seemed too....."frantic" on Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence.

Signals Corrupted

02/18/05, 08:12 AM

i said glassjaw.

thank you..

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 08:16 AM

Dude even I knew they were posthardcore
Hahaha.

Love As Arson

02/18/05, 08:17 AM

Haha.

I mean, I would definitely say that Worship and Tribute is.

And I can see it on Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence.

They just seemed too....."frantic" on Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence.
Keep in mind that post hardcore, while a genre of its own, still has elements of hardcore in it, so that is where the "frantic" element as you call it may come from.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 08:25 AM

Keep in mind that post hardcore, while a genre of its own, still has elements of hardcore in it, so that is where the "frantic" element as you call it may come from.
Yeah.

I've never done well with these "post" things.

dumbcorey

02/18/05, 08:28 AM

It's the last stretch
And my heart, my heart stays in the lead
And we see first, second behind my heart is my mind
Third behind my mind is my body.
Fourth behind my body is my soul
And my heart stays in the lead.
Coming around the stretch.
That was a good one Bob

Love As Arson

02/18/05, 08:29 AM

Yeah.

I've never done well with these "post" things.
I still love you.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 08:30 AM

I still love you.
Sweeeet.

My ass is on fire.

Love As Arson

02/18/05, 08:32 AM

Sweeeet.

My ass is on fire.
Tonight we will eat fetus by candlelight, my love.

hXc_pwnage

02/18/05, 08:37 AM

I'll bring the mashed umbilical chords.

Pat Marquez

02/18/05, 10:32 AM

I was under the impression that ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead and Fugazi were post-hardcore bands.

Love As Arson

02/18/05, 10:42 AM

I was under the impression that ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead and Fugazi were post-hardcore bands.
Fugazi is post hardcore. And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of The dead have more indie elements than anything else.

Tanooki Suit

02/18/05, 10:47 AM

A year ago, I would have said Thursday. I really liked War All the Time when it came out. Frankly now I find it boring. Occasionally I'll spin Full Collapse because it's solid.

But honestly, while the only songs I've heard off of Worship and Tribute are Ape Dos Mil and Cosmopolitan Bloodloss, I fucking love EYEWTKAS. While initially I tried getting into it because a girl I liked is into that album, I've found that theres a reason to that... the album is goddamn brilliant. I still listen to it at least every third day.

"I keep you jealously to myself."

"He would stay forever just to say he saw you leave,
And maybe things wouldn't be this way.
He would stay forever just to say he saw you on your knees.

I burn the lamp.
(When) I burn when I do, I do...
everything I do for you.
But he hates you, hates you.
And I guess it's nothing new for you."

Is there any denying how good this shit is? And, I enjoy Head Automatica, but they are nothing substantial. I think they appear to be saying more than they actually are, and ironically that also goes along with the gaudy sound they produce.

Where's CJ? She'd back me up, mos def.

Tanooki Suit

02/18/05, 10:48 AM

I'd call Blood Brothers post-hardcore... and say they're my favorite post-hardcore band while I'm at it.

Alan Rupp

02/18/05, 11:11 AM

Fugazi is post hardcore. And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of The dead have more indie elements than anything else.
This is true.

Although you have to remember that most bands meld so many different genres that it's hard to peg them as one.

Case in point: Fugazi (13 Songs era) - strictly post-hardcore...Fugazi (Argument era) - post-hardcore mixed with elements of indie rock

the same case can be made for the majority of modern bands, including Trail of Dead

KarolaBloch

02/18/05, 11:16 AM

i would say Refused for sure... well i ahve always considered them post hardcore anyways

Lueda Alia

02/18/05, 11:19 AM

to be honest, ive heard two glassjaw songs, and thought they both sucked royally...and i think geoff rickley's voice sucks balls...so neither one
yeah I feel the same way.

I can't get into Geoff's voice at all.

BrandNew20

02/18/05, 11:20 AM

I like Thursday better.

VeloriumCamper

02/18/05, 12:20 PM

hmm...real tough...id go with thursday but GlassJAw is pretty close

sweethypocrisy

02/18/05, 01:08 PM

ehhhhhhhhh

thursday, but i like both, i go with thursday because i have 3 albums by them, and 2 songs by glassjaw. (but im getting worship and tribute tonight)

XPaRiSiNfLaMeSX

02/18/05, 02:01 PM

By far Thursday is the best in my opinion and not to mention a bunch of really nice guys too. I see Tom from Thursday like 2 times every month because he's in a side-project called Rebel Alliance in Stamford, CT, and they play shows at my teen center pretty often.

If you want to check them out (Rebel Alliance) go to their Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/rebelalliance)

FinchBulldog2

02/18/05, 04:13 PM

I'll buy a round for everybody who voted Glassjaw, even tho I could barely decide.

Signals Corrupted

02/18/05, 06:22 PM

i would say Refused for sure... well i ahve always considered them post hardcore anyways

refused are hardcore

Web250

02/18/05, 06:22 PM

I'm a fan of both of those bands, but I'm a huge Thursday fan. Full Collapse never gets old for me. I like Worship and Tribute by Glassjaw, its a solid album, but I agree with what others said of it being a little experimental.

But I guess you could call Fugazi the granddaddy of both of them. I love 13 songs, such a good album. I love the easily hearable bass in the songs played in harmony often with the guitar it sounds awesome....although I'm just biased b/c im a bass singer :p

Tanooki Suit

02/18/05, 08:11 PM

But I guess you could call Fugazi the granddaddy of both of them. I love 13 songs, such a good album. I love the easily hearable bass in the songs played in harmony often with the guitar it sounds awesome....although I'm just biased b/c im a bass singer :p
The Argument >> early Fugazi

mercutio7

02/20/05, 03:16 PM

This shouldn't even be a fucking contest. Sure, Thursday is fun to listen to but Glassjaw is fucking Epic. Not to mention Daryl can sing very very well (sorry Rickley) and with a completely original style. The lyrical work on Worship and Tibute puts any other "post-hardcore" bands to shame. Sorry, but if you voted Thursday you need to appreciate talent better.

piebaldkid42

02/20/05, 03:28 PM

thursday, but i really like glassjaw as well

mercutio7

02/20/05, 03:30 PM

Example A (Glassjaw): "All my X's live with hexes.
This is why I hang
Myself with jealousy upon a fencepost half mast.
Fashion: war between
The guilty and the guilty and the guilty and the guilty
And the teen."

Example B: "Im not impressed I guess I'm not impressed
with which dialect marches best. Who goes to heaven in which order
when our children are baptised in mortar"

Am I missing something? I guess it's all personal opinion but you have to respect those lyrics.

Pat Marquez

02/20/05, 03:35 PM

Haha, Thursday wins by a long shot by simpliy listing You And I as one of their influences. Sorry, Thursday is better.

level4loser

02/20/05, 04:23 PM

glassjaw isnt really that great.

just thought id say

Tanooki Suit

02/20/05, 05:48 PM

glassjaw isnt really that great.

just thought id say
Thursday are mediocre when they're at their best.

Just thought I'd say.

Pat Marquez

02/20/05, 05:59 PM

I have herpes.

Just thought I'd say.

trustmeimokay

02/20/05, 06:11 PM

This thread hasn't died yet.

And anyway, I just listened to War All the Time today and....Thursday is the better band.

FinchBulldog2

02/20/05, 06:27 PM

I find these results a little disgusting. 2 to 1 in favor of Thursday. Should be closer than that.

trustmeimokay

02/20/05, 06:27 PM

I find these results a little disgusting. 2 to 1 in favor of Thursday. Should be closer than that.
Not here. People worship Thursday.

marrost

02/20/05, 07:51 PM

This thread hasn't died yet.

And anyway, I just listened to War All the Time today and....Thursday is the better band.
Out of Glassjaw's and Thursday's four combined major releases, War All The Time is the worst.

ArTkY_

05/09/05, 02:38 PM

Thursday. Although it would be a sin to catergorize Thrice, some people consider them post-hardcore so Thrice is the best in that category :)

dretti

05/09/05, 03:01 PM

I voted for glassjaw due to EYEWTKAS being better than every thursday album

but dont get me wrong i still really love thursday

nobodysmonkey

05/09/05, 03:06 PM

I voted GJ.
To me, there's really no contest. I've always loved GJ. And I have nothing against Thursday, I've just never really gotten in to them as much.
Plus, Daryl is basically my god.

FinchBulldog2

05/09/05, 03:13 PM

I voted GJ.
To me, there's really no contest. I've always loved GJ. And I have nothing against Thursday, I've just never really gotten in to them as much.
Plus, Daryl is basically my god.
where in MA are u again?

nobodysmonkey

05/10/05, 08:16 AM

where in MA are u again?
My delayed response : Pembroke.
You?

Blueskyburning

05/10/05, 08:34 AM

glassjaw, no contest.

jaimej

05/10/05, 08:36 AM

I love Thursday. Just thought I'd throw that out there in case any of you had any doubts. ;)

Chemical Love

05/10/05, 09:04 AM

I love Glassjaw and they need to get back together and put out another album.

I love Thursday too.

Carlo Marx

05/10/05, 09:07 AM

Glassjaw. I like Daryl's voice way better than Geoff's.

Alex Djaferis

05/10/05, 09:08 AM

thursday. i dont like glassjaw. i dont know why, i just cant get into them.

Yes Im Chad

05/10/05, 09:26 AM

Vaux owns both

Alex Djaferis

05/10/05, 11:30 AM

Vaux owns both

This is true. Although thursday vs vaux....oof tough choice.

Fullcollapse3k

05/10/05, 11:43 AM

Thursday, hands down.

a&wrootbeer

05/10/05, 11:43 AM

glassjaw...i fucking can't stand thursday

FinchBulldog2

05/10/05, 11:53 AM

Vaux owns both
You suck. :headshake

jaimej

05/10/05, 11:56 AM

glassjaw...i fucking can't stand thursdayBlasphemy!

Jra1

05/10/05, 11:58 AM

Thursday, very tough call though

Fullcollapse3k

05/10/05, 12:01 PM

Blasphemy!

You're awesome. :love:

jaimej

05/10/05, 12:05 PM

You're awesome. You're awesome-er. :)

maledixtion

05/10/05, 12:14 PM

to be honest, ive heard two glassjaw songs, and thought they both sucked royally...and i think geoff rickley's voice sucks balls...so neither one
high fives. geoff's voice is the static background noise that you hear in hell.

glassjaw i can tolerate, but 've heard more than 2 songs so i've been able to pick some out that i like. still, over-rated.

Emoknight

05/10/05, 12:38 PM

YourLatestVicti

05/10/05, 01:05 PM

Their both great bands, with great live shows, but i got to go with thursday.. i been a fan for a while, i remember wearing a thursday shirt, and people where like "its not thursday".

so yeah go thursday
People do that to my friend all the time, to end it he started wearing his shirt on Thursdays.

I'm definetly a bigger fan of Thursday, as much as I love glassjaw it's not even close.

inST0RESNOW

05/10/05, 01:15 PM

It's not perfect, but they say it better than I could.
Thursday. GlassJAw has cancelled 2 of their most recent shows that I was supposed to see on Long Island. And well, Thursday beats them out in guitar work, keys, drums, and just tightly playing/recording. I have to admit though, Daryl's voice is incredible.

still_life

05/10/05, 03:06 PM

A year ago I would have said Glassjaw, but ever since Daryl got all goofy, I haven't really got into Glassjaw's music that much.

jaimej

05/10/05, 03:21 PM

Their both great bands, with great live shows, but i got to go with thursday.. i been a fan for a while, i remember wearing a thursday shirt, and people where like "its not thursday".I still get that shit!

People do that to my friend all the time, to end it he started wearing his shirt on Thursdays.
Hahaha same, but I did it two weeks in a row by accident, then I started doing it on purpose.