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Posthardcore
10/14/08, 04:39 PM
(CNN) -- Public school officials in Chicago, Illinois, are recommending approval of a "gay-friendly" high school because harassment and violence are causing gay students to skip class and drop out at alarming rates.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/10/10/gay.friendly.school/art.lgbt.hands.gi.jpg School officials say the proposed school would offer a welcoming, harassment-free environment for gay students.





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The School for Social Justice Pride Campus, which officials say will not be exclusive to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students, is aimed at being safe and welcoming for any student looking for another school option, said Josh Edelman, executive officer in the Chicago Public Schools' Office of New Schools.
"It is not going to be a 'gay high school,' but yes, in a way, it is meant to target kids who feel they have been victims of bullying for their sexual orientation or perceived orientation," Edelman said.
Chicago Public Schools CEO Arne Duncan announced his recommendation Wednesday. Officials said Pride Campus would be separate physically but be attached administratively to the School for Social Justice.
School officials said the standards and curriculum for the school (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Elementary_and_High_School_Educatio n) would be in line with other schools in the district. The school would also offer counseling for students, though because of federal laws, officials cannot ask students about their sexual orientation. The curriculum would not rely on, but would incorporate lessons about, sexual identity inhistory and literature classes, officials said.
"It's about creating another option for kids," Edelman said. "When it comes down to it, though, it is all about having a choice and providing high-quality options for students, whether they are gay or not."
The school could be a lifeline for students who are struggling for academic success. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Is this school the best way to combat bullying? » (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/10/gay.friendly.school/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
Gay and lesbian students are three times more likely to miss school because they feel unsafe, according to a 2003 Chicago Public School District survey. And a study released Wednesday by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network showed similar trends across the country.
The national study, which the group says is the most comprehensive report ever on the experiences of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Gay_and_Lesbian_Relationships) students nationwide, found that 86.2 percent of those students reported being verbally harassed, 44.1 percent physically harassed and 22.1 percent physically assaulted at school in the past year because of their sexual orientation.
This harassment, the study concludes, has affected students' ability to achieve success in school, causing their grade-point level to be, on average, half a point lower than that of heterosexual students nationwide.
Dropout levels are higher among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students because of more frequent truancy, the study found. Almost 32 percent of those students missed a class because of feeling unsafe, compared with only 5.5 percent of heterosexual students nationwide, the study said.
Truancy and lower grades aren't the only repercussions of anti-gay sentiments in schools, said Kevin Jennings, the founder and executive director of GLSEN. He cited the killing of Lawrence King, a 15-year-old student shot by a classmate in Oxnard, California, in February after King asked to be his valentine.
Jennings said the repercussions of harassment alone underscore the need for Pride Campus.
"If we keep doing nothing, we are going to keep getting these horrifying levels of harassment, greater rates of skipping, not going to college and more tragic violence like the murder of Lawrence King," he said. "Those are our choices. We can continue to do nothing, and we know the results, or we can save young people's lives and offer them an education and a future."
A similar school in New York, the Harvey Milk High School in the East Village, was created because of similar fears.
The school, which had been around since 1985, serving gay and lesbian students, expanded to a "gay-themed" school for 100 students in 2003. The Pride Campus is expected to serve 600 students, school officials said.
Harvey Milk High School, like the Pride Campus, is open to all students regardless of sexual orientation. But unlike the proposed school in Chicago (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Chicago), Harvey Milk requires its attendees to be at risk of dropping out because of harassment.
Harvey Milk boasts a graduation rate of 95 percent of its students -- all of whom were at risk of or had dropped out -- well above the city average of 52 percent.
When the school opened its doors, protesters, led by anti-gay Kansas minister Fred Phelps, screamed at supporters gathered outside to repent for their "sodomite behavior."
Edelman said that while some concerns have been raised about Pride Campus at community meetings, officials have not heard any large-scale opposition.
One Chicago resident said at a meeting that he could not support the school because of his religious beliefs, Edelman said. Others told local media they didn't support the use of public money to create the school. Some thought that if gay students went to the Pride Campus, students in other schools would not learn to accept the gay community. Instead, they suggested, the focus should be working toward acceptance in all schools.
"Absolutely, we should work for [acceptance] across the board," said Jennings, the GLSEN executive director. "But it's not going to change overnight, and in the meantime, these kids aren't going to graduate."
Jennings said that GLSEN research shows acceptance among peers is helped by having a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender support group at school.
The most important factor, according to the GLSEN study, is the existence of a state law that protects students from harassment based on their sexual orientation.
Thirty-nine states, including Illinois and New York, do not have laws offering that specific protection, Jennings said citing the GLSEN study. Some have laws, but they don't specify on what basis the protections apply, which Jennings said was essentially as effective as having no law at all. California, Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin are the only states with specific sexual orientation protections for students.
The Chicago School Board will vote October 22 to approve the School for Social Justice Pride Campus in addition to 17 other proposed schools.



As far as Jennings is concerned, the school board's choice is an easy one.
"The choice they are making is not should we have this kind of school," he said. "The question is 'Are we going to do anything we can to get these kids an education?' And there's only one right answer -- yes."

11:11
10/14/08, 04:43 PM
Every high school should be a gay friendly school and anyone who acts in an intolerant way to gays should be severely punished.
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Goat01
10/14/08, 04:59 PM
I don't think there's an argument here, of course schools should be gay-friendly.

phil19
10/15/08, 12:37 AM
im not sure what exactly makes a school gay-freindly but i dont see why any school would not be.
all students should be treated equal, especially in a public school.

notoaststereo
10/15/08, 08:23 AM
Every high school should be a gay friendly school and anyone who acts in an intolerant way to gays should be severely punished.correct.

Anderson
10/15/08, 09:37 AM
Every high school should be a gay friendly school and anyone who acts in an intolerant way to gays should be severely punished.Agreed. I notice none of the 7 people who voted no were brave enough to try to justify it.

just.Starla.
10/15/08, 12:17 PM
im not sure what exactly makes a school gay-freindly but i dont see why any school would not be.
all students should be treated equal, especially in a public school.
Agreed.

Callym
10/15/08, 12:32 PM
Every high school should be a gay friendly school and anyone who acts in an intolerant way to gays should be severely punished.

summed up what i was going to say.

there shouldn't need to be certified "gay-friendly" schools. it should just be common practice to accept people of all sexualities.

caLLmEnOoNe
10/15/08, 06:06 PM
I don't think there's an argument here, of course schools should be gay-friendly.
agreed

Yes. And?
10/15/08, 10:28 PM
Every high school should be a gay friendly school and anyone who acts in an intolerant way to gays should be severely punished.
Yep.

Why won't the people who voted no speak up?

Machu505
10/16/08, 03:55 AM
What Ben said.

Metfan615
10/16/08, 06:32 PM
agreed
second it

.invisible ink.
10/16/08, 06:54 PM
summed up what i was going to say.

there shouldn't need to be certified "gay-friendly" schools. it should just be common practice to accept people of all sexualities.

exactly, this is most likely the reason why people voted "no". I know I was about to, but I decided not to vote at all because of the wording.

I don't think gays should be segregated into new schools, all schools should be gay friendly.

jjjkman
10/16/08, 07:32 PM
I'm really sick of people at my school getting upset because of attempts to make it "gay friendly" most kids are so intolerant to it, its really irritating

Oddpac87
10/16/08, 10:01 PM
Every high school should be a gay friendly school and anyone who acts in an intolerant way to gays should be severely punished.
Correct. I voted no, not because I don't think high schools should be gay-friendly, but because I think the few people making these schools "non-gay-friendly" should be expelled immediately.

ferrisstryker
10/17/08, 10:14 AM
I voted no. The segregation of gay/bisexual people and straight people would only serve to enhance the hatred and stigma of homosexuality. People who hate on gay people will only have gotten their way if they no longer have to interact with gays, thus justifying their bigotry. Kids need to learn at that important age to interact with fellow human beings of all races, genders, and sexualities.

MADSTA
10/17/08, 12:47 PM
I voted no. The segregation of gay/bisexual people and straight people would only serve to enhance the hatred and stigma of homosexuality. People who hate on gay people will only have gotten their way if they no longer have to interact with gays, thus justifying their bigotry. Kids need to learn at that important age to interact with fellow human beings of all races, genders, and sexualities.
I think you misunderstood the question?

ibemonty2000
10/17/08, 03:23 PM
I voted no because there was no question. Where the question normally is, it just says "Answer", then has options for Yes/No. WTF, did it break or something? My real answer would've been yes.

StarsForEyes
10/17/08, 10:03 PM
I didn't see the question so I voted no lol but i meant yes aha

itsdoubleplay
10/18/08, 12:06 PM
I voted no because there was no question. Where the question normally is, it just says "Answer", then has options for Yes/No. WTF, did it break or something? My real answer would've been yes.
same.

Deadbolt01
10/18/08, 12:14 PM
I agree wuth everyone, who appear to agree with everyone else. S'all groovy, no need for a particular gay school(could see it being blown up by some bell anyway)just make sure prejudice is not part of school life in anyway.

Neo Cassady
10/18/08, 12:59 PM
Every high school should be gay-friendly. Having specific schools be labeled gay-friendly, though, is a joke. It's segregation, and it forces kids to come out to their parents when they may not want to, in order to go to those schools.

skellorock
10/18/08, 05:02 PM
if a gay kid is being harrased, the bullies should be punished, end of story, giving kids "special treament" doesnt prepare them for the real world at all, and i'm a former special ed student lol, which yeah, i think kids with ld's should get the help they need as long as they arent spoon-fed, but being gay isnt a disability, they're not retards, they're just diffrent, and we've already had enough segregation in this country, and now we're gonna let a few punk-ass kids make the rest of the country re-consider?

Chromefox
10/18/08, 06:20 PM
If they have gay-friendly highschools, then we should segregate races, and have "fat friendly" and "ugly friendly" highschools as well.

Kids get made fun of for hundreds of reasons. Should we cushion them all?

Nerdy91
10/19/08, 06:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0

batmannj
10/19/08, 08:54 AM
i voted yes, even though i do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle choices. I am Christian, so I believe that God made human beings to be joined as male and female. While I do believe this, I do think that we need to let people make their own choice. A school should be a place for kids to learn, not for them to have to worry about their own personal safety. The catch is though, it should be the same way it is for most straight couples, I would not want to walk around the hallways of a school and have the homosexual students all over each other, in the same way I would not want a straight couple to be all over each other. Hand holding and things like that are fine, but please keep the lip locking to a minimum.

ellie117
10/19/08, 04:51 PM
I said no because I didn't know what I was voting for.

BruisedxBroken
10/19/08, 06:02 PM
I'm going to say no, but only because God hates **** and I long for His approval...

hockeyguitar99
10/19/08, 09:29 PM
I live in this area, and this is becoming a huge issue at my high school. The debate is not whether or not Gays should be tolerated, they obviously should. But whether or not it's actually necessary is the question. It's fairly unanimous (except for those that harass gays) that a school like this shouldn't be necessary. Unfortunately, however, it seems to me that it is necessary. While my school has a large gay community, there is rarely a problem with harassment, and when there is, it is dealt with quickly, and the punishment is harsh. I have, however, heard many terrible stories, and I think that this is a last resort, but it is something that needs to be done.

hockeyguitar99
10/19/08, 09:30 PM
If they have gay-friendly highschools, then we should segregate races, and have "fat friendly" and "ugly friendly" highschools as well.

Kids get made fun of for hundreds of reasons. Should we cushion them all?

The difference is that now gays are asking for the schools. I don't know what the article said, but that's what's actually happening, they are asking for these schools out of fear.

hockeyguitar99
10/19/08, 09:32 PM
Every high school should be gay-friendly. Having specific schools be labeled gay-friendly, though, is a joke. It's segregation, and it forces kids to come out to their parents when they may not want to, in order to go to those schools.

I understand what you're saying, but nobody is forcing these kids to go the schools. They are just leaving it as an open option.

Chromefox
10/20/08, 12:43 AM
The difference is that now gays are asking for the schools. I don't know what the article said, but that's what's actually happening, they are asking for these schools out of fear. You're right that they shouldn't have to live in fear. I feel for them, I do, but taking them all out of society isn't going to change society. It's just skirting around the problem.

hockeyguitar99
10/20/08, 01:08 PM
You're right that they shouldn't have to live in fear. I feel for them, I do, but taking them all out of society isn't going to change society. It's just skirting around the problem.

I understand that, but if safety is an issue, what else do you purpose? (I'm not trying to be obnoxious, just curious)

Chromefox
10/20/08, 06:10 PM
I understand that, but if safety is an issue, what else do you purpose? (I'm not trying to be obnoxious, just curious) I can't imagine much abuse is actually occurring at school; at least not any more than the average kid suffers at the hands of bullies. If there IS a great deal more abuse than normal, and the student actually fears for their safety, then the school is doing something wrong, and needs to step up both prevention (ie: more hall monitors to pay attention during lunch break), and consequences.

Anything occurring off school grounds won't change if the student moves to a new school. They'd just be cruel after school hours, over the internet; the usual.

Perhaps, not knowing any highschool experiences other than my own, I can't quite grasp the magnitude of this kind of problem; particularly not in a large highschool, or an urban area. I'd need more information about what's going on.

I don't know how to make kids into better people. I wish I did.

andrewa5
10/20/08, 07:41 PM
people should feel comfortable wherever they are, no matter what they believe in or want sexually

hero_dujour
10/21/08, 06:40 PM
I'm suprised that so many people voted no. Anyone who doesn't think schools should be gay-friendly is an ignorant jackass. Too bad the voting is anonymous.
edit: I think the first time I read it I interpretated it wrongly. I thought it meant schools would be gay-friendly, as in, bullying and discrimination would not be tolerated. That is what should be done.

hero_dujour
10/21/08, 06:50 PM
I don't know how to make kids into better people. I wish I did.

Haha when I first read this I thought you were referring to the gay students and I was like oh-no-she-didn't! But then I realized you meant the bulliers.
Atleast I hope? Lol.

mapster
10/22/08, 02:47 PM
Every high school should be gay-friendly. Having specific schools be labeled gay-friendly, though, is a joke. It's segregation, and it forces kids to come out to their parents when they may not want to, in order to go to those schools.
If they have gay-friendly highschools, then we should segregate races, and have "fat friendly" and "ugly friendly" highschools as well.

Kids get made fun of for hundreds of reasons. Should we cushion them all?

i agree with both of you,,,i picked no

Chromefox
10/22/08, 07:28 PM
Haha when I first read this I thought you were referring to the gay students and I was like oh-no-she-didn't! But then I realized you meant the bulliers.
Atleast I hope? Lol. The latter. :-d

Somechild
10/23/08, 04:31 PM
In that case lets have a different school for everyof bevy kids that get picked on.

c_rob2700
10/23/08, 05:52 PM
We already have one:
http://blog.starzlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/high-school-musical-group-400.jpg

c_rob2700
10/23/08, 05:57 PM
Fat kids get made fun of more then gay kids, it's highschool.

i believe that harassment should be tolerated like it would be normally, regardless of sexual preference.
isn't that what equal rights is all about?

absolutecrunk
10/23/08, 09:07 PM
I voted 'No' because I saw the poll on the front page and I didn't see the question so all I was faced with were the options of 'Yes' or 'No' so I naturally just chose 'No.' Whoops.

A Love American
10/25/08, 11:16 AM
Gay people are much nicer than straight people, I've learned.

aidan1029
10/27/08, 10:05 AM
I voted no because there was no question being asked!!! POLL FAIL!!!!! However, I believe in equal rights.

BJW7191
10/27/08, 08:33 PM
i accidentally voted no just bc i didnt know what it was for... but all schools, resturants, workplaces, etc should be gay friendly

Alex DiVincenzo
10/28/08, 07:28 AM
First post got it right

miam1391
10/30/08, 02:02 PM
I can't imagine much abuse is actually occurring at school; at least not any more than the average kid suffers at the hands of bullies. If there IS a great deal more abuse than normal, and the student actually fears for their safety, then the school is doing something wrong, and needs to step up both prevention (ie: more hall monitors to pay attention during lunch break), and consequences.

Anything occurring off school grounds won't change if the student moves to a new school. They'd just be cruel after school hours, over the internet; the usual.

Perhaps, not knowing any highschool experiences other than my own, I can't quite grasp the magnitude of this kind of problem; particularly not in a large highschool, or an urban area. I'd need more information about what's going on.

I don't know how to make kids into better people. I wish I did.

if you dont know what it's like, dont talk about it. as a gay student i know the hell that homosexuals face everyday.

Chromefox
10/30/08, 02:43 PM
if you dont know what it's like, dont talk about it. as a gay student i know the hell that homosexuals face everyday. Similarly, you don't know what kind of hell students in other bullying situations experience, and whether or not it parallel at all to your own experiences.

Unless you're also a minority race, practice a minority religion, are fat, ugly, have a birth defect, have a learning disability, and have controversial parents whom the school knows are drunks/philanderers/abusive/etc. then you can't speak on the spectrum of abuse either.

Even if you did fit every single bullying criteria on earth, your extreme experiences would be far different from the norm, and thus also no basis for normality.

Whoever said it earlier in the thread is right; ALL schools should be gay-friendly, but no, homosexual students should not be segregated from the rest of society. I see that as a step backwards. Homophobic students and bullies would STILL be homophobic bullies, gay and lesbian students would STILL be bullied in their new school, just for some different shit, and would also STILL be treated differently, what with their own school and all, and the whole thing is reminiscent of having schools segregated by race.

It is completely unfair that you have suffered for such a thing, but removing you from society isn't going to fix society.

fadedmemories
10/30/08, 03:56 PM
Yes