The Official 2008 3rd Presidential Debate Thread

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Hopefully this will a bit more interesting than the last debate. I suppose McCain will mention Ayers tonight. I got a good feeling Obama will deliver an effective counter-punch that make a significant moment tonight.

[Tito Jr.]

It's McCain's last chance for a game-changer - so expect him to try and get under Obama's skin. Expect Ayers. Expect ACORN. Expect more accusations to "raise taxes". Expect associations to Dodd, Frank, and Pelosi.

In the end, Obama will not only look like the bigger man but he'll put the character assassinations to rest - leaving the McCain/Palin campaign with absolutely nothing for the remaining 20 days.

Oh yeah, and Obama wins (again) for the sweep.

[open mind]

i predict the pundits will stay alot of things that are borderline retarded immediately following the debate, and ultimately the only people on tv who will talk about it intelligently will be on comedy shows.

[blindrider529]

i predict the pundits will stay alot of things that are borderline retarded immediately following the debate, and ultimately the only people on tv who will talk about it intelligently will be on comedy shows.
haha Pretty much spot on.

[Adeniz19]

i predict the pundits will stay alot of things that are borderline retarded immediately following the debate, and ultimately the only people on tv who will talk about it intelligently will be on comedy shows.they have to try and make it look close as possible for television ratings

[Jason Tate]

they have to try and make it look close as possible for television ratings
Yep.

[blindrider529]

How many times will McCain say "my friends"...I say 19


I also predict that the first thing McCain does is give a shout out to Nancy Reagan.

[Jason Tate]

How many times will McCain say "my friends"...I say 19


I also predict that the first thing McCain does is give a shout out to Nancy Reagan.
"She broke a hip ... I have experience with that..."

[sjb2k1]

How many times will McCain say "my friends"...I say 19


I also predict that the first thing McCain does is give a shout out to Nancy Reagan.maybe 19 in the first 20 minutes. i think it'll be more like 60 or so. upper limit of 100.

[Posthardcore]

GO McCAIN!

[Lueda Alia]

GO McCAIN!
It must suck to watch your candidate fail miserably in every debate.

[blindrider529]

It must suck to watch your candidate fail miserably in every debate.
:-0 That wasn't very nice

[Mitch]

The result of this debate is probably going to determine whether or not I fail my Italian exam tomorrow morning. If I wake up only to find that McCain somehow managed to crush Obama, I'm going to be way too miserable to focus on the test. Maybe I should wait until after, haha.

[Tito Jr.]

GO McCAIN! This guy and his commentary. I don't know which I appreciate more, the bold effect or the fact that he lowercased the first "c".

[Lueda Alia]

:-0 That wasn't very nice
Nope, and it wasn't mean to be. I rarely make such comments, so when I do, I mean it. :-d

[nfggc10]

The result of this debate is probably going to determine whether or not I fail my Italian exam tomorrow morning. If I wake up only to find that McCain somehow managed to crush Obama, I'm going to be way too miserable to focus on the test. Maybe I should wait until after, haha.You won't have to wait for that story, Fox News already has it written and will probably be up on their site in an hour or two.

[Jason Tate]

This guy and his commentary. I don't know which I appreciate more, the bold effect or the fact that he lowercased the first "c".
He's yet to ever try and back up his comments though...

[blindrider529]

haha that only thing postive about the DOW dropping 700+ points is that it forces the conversation to stick to the economy.

Timing is just not on johns side

[loveisdead]

I hope they really go at it with each other tonight. I can't watch the majority of it live so I'm relying on you guys to keep me up to date.

[Circa1628]

It must suck to watch your candidate fail miserably in every debate.


haha, hillarious
:-0 That wasn't very nice

it was just the truth, if anything she was feeling bad for them:-p

It's McCain's last chance for a game-changer - so expect him to try and get under Obama's skin. Expect Ayers. Expect ACORN. Expect more accusations to "raise taxes". Expect associations to Dodd, Frank, and Pelosi.

In the end, Obama will not only look like the bigger man but he'll put the character assassinations to rest - leaving the McCain/Palin campaign with absolutely nothing for the remaining 20 days.

Oh yeah, and Obama wins (again) for the sweep.

I agree with everything in this post

[Circa1628]

You won't have to wait for that story, Fox News already has it written and will probably be up on their site in an hour or two.


haha this is a great post, you are probably my favorite poster in the politics forum...maybe it's just the Curb Your Enthusiasm avatar...

[Adeniz19]

haha this is a great post, you are probably my favorite poster in the politics forum...maybe it's just the Curb Your Enthusiasm avatar...
mi_c6D8SPcE

[Circa1628]

mi_c6D8SPcE


haha yes

[Jason Tate]

I'm pumped!

[Circa1628]

that video is too funny. Someone else said it perfect, she just keeps going because it's a rehearsed speech, how would she notice the mistake.

[loveisdead]

I'm pumped!
You should dress the pup up in some obama gear.

[Jason Tate]

McCain may be pulling out of Wisconsin:

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=138987

[Adeniz19]

McCain may be pulling out of Wisconsin:

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=138987
huuuuuge. i expect them pulling out of NH soon too

[loveisdead]

huuuuuge. i expect them pulling out of NH soon too
It's so pathetic that they're pulling out of swing states to battle for traditional red states.

[Adeniz19]

It's so pathetic that they're pulling out of swing states to battle for traditional red states.well, how can you compete when obama's campaign is funded by terrorists!?

[loveisdead]

well, how can you compete when obama's campaign is funded by terrorists!?
haha. In all honesty, the public funding thing did help Obama out a lot.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

It's McCain's last chance for a game-changer - so expect him to try and get under Obama's skin. Expect Ayers. Expect ACORN. Expect more accusations to "raise taxes". Expect associations to Dodd, Frank, and Pelosi.

In the end, Obama will not only look like the bigger man but he'll put the character assassinations to rest - leaving the McCain/Palin campaign with absolutely nothing for the remaining 20 days.

Oh yeah, and Obama wins (again) for the sweep.
I completely agree with this. McCain is really going to try and go for it tonight. But I think Obama's counter-punch will be to look like the bigger man. It helps to that he knows this is coming. A great opportunity to clear the air and really express his voice.

mi_c6D8SPcE
Hahahaha, I love Tim Meadows. Criminally underused.

haha. In all honesty, the public funding thing did help Obama out a lot.
Very true. Plus I think it's possible he ran the best campaign ever in politics.

[loveisdead]

Very true. Plus I think it's possible he ran the best campaign ever in politics.
I was thinking about that today. I think that statement can make for a really great debate. I wish I knew more about past elections, because it seems to me like he has. I would say he used the resources available to him better than anyone.

[c_rob2700]

Keith Olbermen showed a clip last night that had ACORN speaking at a McCain rally in 2006 with McCain saying "the greatest thing about this country is the people in this room"

[loveisdead]

Keith Olbermen showed a clip last night that had ACORN speaking at a McCain rally in 2006 with McCain saying "the greatest thing about this country is the people in this room"
hilarious.

[c_rob2700]

hilarious.
He went off on McCain supporters for their comments at the rallies.

[loveisdead]

He went off on McCain supporters for their comments at the rallies.
I can listen to him talk all day. Such a great, passionate voice.

[Machu505]

Oh God, the McCain surrogates have a new argument: checks and balances. Both Romney and Pawlenty have mentioned it on MSNBC.

[loveisdead]

Oh God, the McCain surrogates have a new argument: checks and balances. Both Romney and Pawlenty have mentioned it on MSNBC.
How are they going to argue that? It works both ways. Yeah we'd have a D congress and D president but the Supreme Court would remain balanced even if 2 liberals are given seats. McCain gets elected and the Supreme Court is heavily conservative.

[Adeniz19]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/15/143149/87/186/631381

i find it amazing that mccain didn't spend any money in indiana and is spending less than last week in key battleground states like ohio, colorado, and virginia.

[Machu505]

How are they going to argue that? It works both ways. Yeah we'd have a D congress and D president but the Supreme Court would remain balanced even if 2 liberals are given seats. McCain gets elected and the Supreme Court is heavily conservative.

It's Mitt Romney. What do you expect?

[Jason Tate]

Oh God, the McCain surrogates have a new argument: checks and balances. Both Romney and Pawlenty have mentioned it on MSNBC.
Hahaha, that's a last ditch effort right there. PLEASE vote ONE of us in office - hahah.

[loveisdead]

Hahaha, that's a last ditch effort right there. PLEASE vote ONE of us in office - hahah.
With the Supreme Court I don't even see how the argument can stand.

[Machu505]

I love Chris Matthews. MSNBC is the shit.

[loveisdead]

I love Chris Matthews. MSNBC is the shit.
Smart guy but his voice drives me insane.

[blindrider529]

Smart guy but his voice drives me insane.
Recently the amount of spit that comes out of his mouth when he talks has been bugging me a little. He sounds like he's either wearing braces or something. I love how he yells at Pat Buchanon and laughs at people when they sound stupid.

My favorite moment on cable news ever had to be when he was challenged to a duel at the 2004 Republican National Convention!

[loveisdead]

Recently the amount of spit that comes out of his mouth when he talks has been bugging me a little. He sounds like he's either wearing braces or something. I love how he yells at Pat Buchanon and laughs at people when they sound stupid.

My favorite moment on cable news ever had to be when he was challenged to a duel at the 2004 Republican National Convention!
Did you see his interview with Jon Stewart? One of the funniest interviews ever.

[Tito Jr.]

I love Chris Matthews. MSNBC is the shit. Seriously. He's my favorite.

[loveisdead]

Seriously. He's my favorite.
Olbermann ftw.

[lauren<3s music]

Hopefully this will a bit more interesting than the last debate. I suppose McCain will mention Ayers tonight. I got a good feeling Obama will deliver an effective counter-punch that make a significant moment tonight.
personally i hope he goes you know John, I was 8 when that happened so let's talk about issues that matter

[loveisdead]

personally i hope he goes you know John, I was 8 when that happened so let's talk about issues that matter
Bringing the topic up is stupid on McCain's part. Gives Obama a chance to debunk it in front of a huge audience.

[Machu505]

Seriously. He's my favorite.

He's my second favourite.

Olbermann ftw.

He's my favourite.

[lauren<3s music]

Bringing the topic up is stupid on McCain's part. Gives Obama a chance to debunk it in front of a huge audience.
personally i think he's too much of a pussy to actually do it. he wants his minions to do it for him so he can look like the "good guy" he is. i'm sorry but allowing people to scream obscenities and threaten him at your rallies while you stand there with a smirk on your face doesn't make you the good guy. either put up or shut up at least in the world of lauren is the way to go.

[wesgemm08]

It's Mitt Romney. What do you expect?

I can't wait to hear what Mitt Romney actually thinks of the McCain/Palin ticket when this election is over. You can tell he doesn't believe anything he is saying when he is talking about McCain on tv.

[loveisdead]

personally i think he's too much of a pussy to actually do it. he wants his minions to do it for him so he can look like the "good guy" he is. i'm sorry but allowing people to scream obscenities and threaten him at your rallies while you stand there with a smirk on your face doesn't make you the good guy. either put up or shut up at least in the world of lauren is the way to go.
In his defense, I gained a ton of respect for him when he took the mic out of that woman's hands after saying he was an Arab and for correcting the guy that said he is scared of an Obama presidency.

[loveisdead]

I can't wait to hear what Mitt Romney actually thinks of the McCain/Palin ticket when this election is over. You can tell he doesn't believe anything he is saying when he is talking about McCain on tv.
I think that if McCain picked Romney as his VP this would be a much tighter race.

[Illuminate]

Mccain ftw? :-p

[Illuminate]

I think that if McCain picked Romney as his VP this would be a much tighter race.

Lieberman

[loveisdead]

Mccain ftw? :-p
You're lucky Annie Use Your Telescope is your user title.

[Jason Tate]

Mccain ftw? :-p
:uhno:

[lauren<3s music]

In his defense, I gained a ton of respect for him when he took the mic out of that woman's hands after saying he was an Arab and for correcting the guy that said he is scared of an Obama presidency.
but that was after tons of other times he didnt say anything and the media was putting pressure on him....

[Illuminate]

You're lucky Annie Use Your Telescope is your user title.

hahaha Why thank you. Tonight is going to be pretty interesting.

[lauren<3s music]

Mccain ftw? :-p
please give your top 3 reasons for supporting mccain...... really im curious

[Illuminate]

:uhno:

Oh c'mon Jason, at least admit you miss me here.

[loveisdead]

but that was after tons of other times he didnt say anything and the media was putting pressure on him....
I agree with you, but I'm glad he did it. I thought what he said was very appropraite.
please give your top 3 reasons for supporting mccain...... really im curious
Seconded.

[Lueda Alia]

please give your top 3 reasons for supporting mccain...... really im curious
Haha we have been over this before.

[loveisdead]

Oh c'mon Jason, at least admit you miss me here.
You gotta give some backing to your arguments. It's his, and most other people's biggest pet peeves about arguing.

[loveisdead]

Haha we have been over this before.
Haha, I thought that exact thing. I feel like we talk in circles with the McCain supporters.

[lauren<3s music]

Haha we have been over this before.
really? im just so curious as to why anyone would actually vote for him unless they are focused solely on a few issues (i.e. pro life, pro war) its good for me to hear these things before i have to go back out canvassing

[Lueda Alia]

but that was after tons of other times he didnt say anything and the media was putting pressure on him....
Exactly. What was he supposed to do anyway? He wasn't going to just stand there and do nothing about it, because he would have been ripped apart by everyone.

[Lueda Alia]

really? im just so curious as to why anyone would actually vote for him unless they are focused solely on a few issues (i.e. pro life, pro war) its good for me to hear these things before i have to go back out canvassing
Yeah, we have argued with him about it before. It didn't really get anywhere.

[lrz2525]

GO McCAIN!
I'm with you!

[Lueda Alia]

I'm with you!
You must not love your body enough.

[Illuminate]

please give your top 3 reasons for supporting mccain...... really im curious

Sure, and I appreciate you're curiosity.

1. He's a Republican but he doesn't bow down to the far right conservatives. He's voted along side the Democratic parties on issues unlike Obama who has voted pretty much one sided. He has respect from both Republicans and Democrats.. Like I mentioned earlier Joe Lieberman was almost his running mate.
2. He is far more educated and experienced on foreign policy and I personally believe he will handle the situation better than Obama will (I.e- walk out victorious in Iraq, not meet with Ahmadinihead without preconditions)
3. I favor his economic plan on handling the mortgage crisis more than Obama's plan. He also wants to keep the tax cuts, wants to end Pork barrel spending

[loveisdead]

I'm with you!
Lake Mary, FL
Female - 17 Years Old
14 Posts (http://www.absolutepunk.net/search.php?do=finduser&u=181448)


lol.

[Tito Jr.]

You must not love your body enough. Or equal pay for equal work.

[lauren<3s music]

Exactly. What was he supposed to do anyway? He wasn't going to just stand there and do nothing about it, because he would have been ripped apart by everyone.

exactly.

Yeah, we have argued with him about it before. It didn't really get anywhere.

ah i must have missed that. i'm trying to work on my manners/temper for dealing with stupidity bc my reaction is just to shake people until they agree to vote for obama. probably not the most useful mechanism.

[lauren<3s music]

Sure, and I appreciate you're curiosity.

1. He's a Republican but he doesn't bow down to the far right conservatives. He's voted along side the Democratic parties on issues unlike Obama who has voted pretty much one sided. He has respect from both Republicans and Democrats.. Like I mentioned earlier Joe Lieberman was almost his running mate.
2. He is far more educated and experienced on foreign policy and I personally believe he will handle the situation better than Obama will (I.e- walk out victorious in Iraq, not meet with Ahmadinihead without preconditions)
3. I favor his economic plan on handling the mortgage crisis more than Obama's plan. He also wants to keep the tax cuts, wants to end Pork barrel spending
mhm.

with that i say good luck.

[Illuminate]

You gotta give some backing to your arguments. It's his, and most other people's biggest pet peeves about arguing.

Oh I always have and will continue. I've spent hours in this thread arguing my points- I also hate those who just say things without validating their points even if they're voting for Mccain

[Machu505]

I think that if McCain picked Romney as his VP this would be a much tighter race.

Romney would have been a much safer choice.

[Machu505]

http://forthardknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/st-patrick-s-day-c-thumb.jpg

[loveisdead]

Sure, and I appreciate you're curiosity.

1. He's a Republican but he doesn't bow down to the far right conservatives.
He's pandered so far to the right this election. His pick in Palin shows that more than ever.
He's voted along side the Democratic parties on issues unlike Obama who has voted pretty much one sided. He has respect from both Republicans and Democrats.. Like I mentioned earlier Joe Lieberman was almost his running mate.
95% with Bush this year. Not straying too far away from the Republicans.
He is far more educated and experienced on foreign policy and I personally believe he will handle the situation better than Obama will (I.e- walk out victorious in Iraq, not meet with Ahmadinihead without preconditions)
Then why didn't he destroy Obama in the foreign policy debate? Obama also has Biden on his side, the chairman of the foreign relations committee.
3. I favor his economic plan on handling the mortgage crisis more than Obama's plan. He also wants to keep the tax cuts, wants to end Pork barrel spending
Ending pork barrel spending will do nothing to help this mortgage crisis. The top economists all back Obama's plan.

[lauren<3s music]

He's pandered so far to the right this election. His pick in Palin shows that more than ever.

95% with Bush this year. Not straying too far away from the Republicans.

Then why didn't he destroy Obama in the foreign policy debate? Obama also has Biden on his side, the chairman of the foreign relations committee.

Ending pork barrel spending will do nothing to help this mortgage crisis. The top economists all back Obama's plan.
he's such a sucker for talking points it's hilarious. With that :zip:

[loveisdead]

Romney would have been a much safer choice.
He's the only one of the four with an economic background. I think it would have helped him in this time of financial crisis.

[Lueda Alia]

Sure, and I appreciate you're curiosity.

1. He's a Republican but he doesn't bow down to the far right conservatives.
That is wrong. He has been trying to win their votes since the primaries, and he has changed his stances/opinions on a lot of things as a result. He is not the same John McCain that I knew years ago.

He's voted along side the Democratic parties on issues unlike Obama who has voted pretty much one sided. He has respect from both Republicans and Democrats.. Like I mentioned earlier Joe Lieberman was almost his running mate.
Anyone that thinks Joe Lieberman is a real Democrat doesn't really know enough about him. Honestly.

Let's also not forget that McCain has supported Bush on almost everything. How could you possibly ignore that?

2. He is far more educated and experienced on foreign policy and I personally believe he will handle the situation better than Obama will (I.e- walk out victorious in Iraq, not meet with Ahmadinihead without preconditions)
I'd rather have someone with better judgement in charge, than someone with experience but horrible judgement.
3. I favor his economic plan on handling the mortgage crisis more than Obama's plan. He also wants to keep the tax cuts, wants to end Pork barrel spending
Unless you're making more than $250k a year, I don't see how you could like his plan better. But to each his own, I guess.

[Tito Jr.]

Sure, and I appreciate you're curiosity.

1. He's a Republican but he doesn't bow down to the far right conservatives. He's voted along side the Democratic parties on issues unlike Obama who has voted pretty much one sided. He has respect from both Republicans and Democrats.. Like I mentioned earlier Joe Lieberman was almost his running mate.
2. He is far more educated and experienced on foreign policy and I personally believe he will handle the situation better than Obama will (I.e- walk out victorious in Iraq, not meet with Ahmadinihead without preconditions)
3. I favor his economic plan on handling the mortgage crisis more than Obama's plan. He also wants to keep the tax cuts, wants to end Pork barrel spending To put in concisely, Lieberman is not a Democrat, "victory" in Iraq is a mirage, and Obama's tax plan kicks McCain's tax plan's ass - unless of course you heart Bush (and we all know what happens when we use Bush economics).

[loveisdead]

he's such a sucker for talking points it's hilarious. With that :zip:
Sometimes it's too easy.

[loveisdead]

To put in concisely, Lieberman is not a Democrat, "victory" in Iraq is a mirage, and Obama's tax plan kicks McCain's tax plan's ass - unless of course you heart Bush.
In his defense, your post is just as vague as his.

[Illuminate]

He's pandered so far to the right this election. His pick in Palin shows that more than ever.

95% with Bush this year. Not straying too far away from the Republicans.

Then why didn't he destroy Obama in the foreign policy debate? Obama also has Biden on his side, the chairman of the foreign relations committee.

Ending pork barrel spending will do nothing to help this mortgage crisis. The top economists all back Obama's plan.

What? How does picking Palin as his vice president show that? He has voted for both sides that's the bottom line and Obama hasn't and that was my point.

I thought he did win the foreign policy debate. That's a matter of opinion

The top economists do not back Obama's plan. False.

[loveisdead]

I find this hard to believe.
Tate posted an article about it a few pages back. I know for a fact the economist that one the nobel peace prize this year backed obama's plans.
Edit: Not a few pages back, in the Obama/Biden thread.

[Lueda Alia]

What? How does picking Palin as his vice president show that? He has voted for both sides that's the bottom line and Obama hasn't and that was my point.

I thought he did win the foreign policy debate. That's a matter of opinion

The top economists do not back Obama's plan. False.
Do you know anything about Palin's views? Just wondering, because it doesn't sound like you do.

And you don't have a lot of your facts straight.

[lauren<3s music]

Sometimes it's too easy.
usually = always when you have facts on your side. i wrote an article about healthcare and the two candidates its absurd

[loveisdead]

What? How does picking Palin as his vice president show that?

Because Palin is as right wing as they come.
He has voted for both sides that's the bottom line and Obama hasn't and that was my point. I just showed you he hasn't.

I thought he did win the foreign policy debate. That's a matter of opinion I said blow out. If he was so much better suited he would have blown Obama out of the water and emerged as the clear winner. By every single poll, he did not.
The top economists do not back Obama's plan. False. I know the nobel prize winner in economics backed his plan, and I read an article about a ton of top economists that backed his plan. I'm sure this argument can be used to argue for McCain as well though.

[Lueda Alia]

Palin is clearly a useless politician. She has zero good ideas of her own, she damaged Alaska rather than helped it, she is a poor public speaker and she can't even memorize her own parties policies. She was chosen to win the election not because she brings anything at all to the role other than christian right appeal. In what area does she have experience and knowledge McCain does not?
Domestic policy experience!!!!

[Illuminate]

That is wrong. He has been trying to win their votes since the primaries, and he has changed his stances/opinions on a lot of things as a result. He is not the same John McCain that I knew years ago.


Anyone that thinks Joe Lieberman is a real Democrat doesn't really know enough about him. Honestly.

Let's also not forget that McCain has supported Bush on almost everything. How could you possibly ignore that?


I'd rather have someone with better judgement in charge, than someone with experience but horrible judgement.

Unless you're making more than $250k a year, I don't see how you could like his plan better. But to each his own, I guess.

I know how Joe Lieberman stands and I also know how Joe Biden stands. Biden has voted opposing Obama on numerous occasions.

I'm not ignoring that about Mccain but he does disagree with Bush on some issues and I think he will be a better leader than Bush. Bush couldn't touch deregulation because of Clinton and you know that.

Better judgement? - The man wants to meet with someone without preconditions who has stated publicly that Israel is a corpse and should be erased off the face of the earth. .. How is that good judgement

[loveisdead]

Even if you can actually measure what makes someone a top economist I find it extremely hard to believe they all or even a great majority support Obama over McCain, in my experience economists are quite a conservative bunch.
My argument is strained, let me look up some more stuff on it.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I'm starting to get very excited now. I'd love to see this be a real standout night for Obama.

[Jason Tate]

I find this hard to believe.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1lQqV1HDxXY/SOeh8KYK12I/AAAAAAAAACM/QALxAB7isnY/s1600/CUS955.gif

Scott Adams also did a poll:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vt1LPZed0LU/SM_fULohXxI/AAAAAAAAAKU/RDZjoMuy9og/s400/Chart1.gif
(Survey of 523 economists who are U.S. citizens and members of the American Economic Association.)

[Illuminate]

Do you know anything about Palin's views? Just wondering, because it doesn't sound like you do.

And you don't have a lot of your facts straight.

I do know Palin's political views and what I also know is she isn't running for president, Mccain is. Also that's very vague which facts do I not have straight?

[Lueda Alia]

I know how Joe Lieberman stands and I also know how Joe Biden stands. Biden has voted opposing Obama on numerous occasions.
If you knew where Joe Lieberman stood, then you would not label him a Democrat.

I'm not ignoring that about Mccain but he does disagree with Bush on some issues and I think he will be a better leader than Bush. Bush couldn't touch deregulation because of Clinton and you know that.
How can you still have that opinion of him if he has agreed with Bush over 90% of the time, then?

Better judgement? - The man wants to meet with someone without preconditions who has stated publicly that Israel is a corpse and should be erased off the face of the earth. .. How is that good judgement
So, you think it would be better to not just talk to them at all? Because they're not just going to agree with whatever preconditions that the US comes up with.

[Lueda Alia]

Which she was really bad at in a state which very different concerns than the rest of America lol.
Exactly.

[Machu505]

I know how Joe Lieberman stands and I also know how Joe Biden stands. Biden has voted opposing Obama on numerous occasions.

I'm not ignoring that about Mccain but he does disagree with Bush on some issues and I think he will be a better leader than Bush. Bush couldn't touch deregulation because of Clinton and you know that.

Better judgement? - The man wants to meet with someone without preconditions who has stated publicly that Israel is a corpse and should be erased off the face of the earth. .. How is that good judgement

Are you fucking kidding me? How the shit is talking to someone bad?

Oh and in the Keating Five, J-Mac exercised some poor judgment if I do say so myself.

[lauren<3s music]

I know how Joe Lieberman stands and I also know how Joe Biden stands. Biden has voted opposing Obama on numerous occasions.

I'm not ignoring that about Mccain but he does disagree with Bush on some issues and I think he will be a better leader than Bush. Bush couldn't touch deregulation because of Clinton and you know that.

Better judgement? - The man wants to meet with someone without preconditions who has stated publicly that Israel is a corpse and should be erased off the face of the earth. .. How is that good judgement
you know really you're such a shining example of what republicans prey on, you should pat yourself on the back.

Joe Liebermen is a traitor to his party. That's a fact. Look at the letter next to his name. And Senators don't vote against one another,their votes differ. get your facts right.

Blaming one leader's decisions on another. THATS a way to lead a country. great.

It's better judgment than painting yourself into a corner before you know the situation. That's like saying you're going to buy a new car for 10,000 bucks. Sure it could happen, but you don't know your options until you get to the dealership and get the information.

Let's face it, dealing with Iran isn't going to happen in any productive manner other than back channels.

[Jason Tate]

I know how Joe Lieberman stands and I also know how Joe Biden stands. Biden has voted opposing Obama on numerous occasions.

I'm not ignoring that about Mccain but he does disagree with Bush on some issues and I think he will be a better leader than Bush. Bush couldn't touch deregulation because of Clinton and you know that.

Better judgement? - The man wants to meet with someone without preconditions who has stated publicly that Israel is a corpse and should be erased off the face of the earth. .. How is that good judgement
Why is this stupid "without preconditions" argument still being tossed out? :hitself:

[lauren<3s music]

She does live slightly nearer Russia than Obama and Biden though...
proximity = experience. well then fuck that i should be president because i live closer to the white house than anyone running, so I win.

[Lueda Alia]

I do know Palin's political views and what I also know is she isn't running for president, Mccain is. Also that's very vague which facts do I not have straight?
But how could she not say anything about McCain? He picked her, and she's a religious nut. That doesn't mean anything at all? I mean, this is the person that he wants to take over if something happens to him. I don't think he would want to pick someone that doesn't represent his views in any way. But whatever. If you choose to ignore certain things just so you can continue believing whatever it is that you believe in, then that's fine.

[Machu505]

proximity = experience. well then fuck that i should be president because i live closer to the white house than anyone running, so I win.

Lauren '16

[Jason Tate]

That's a healthy majority then, although obviously you'd have to check out the source and the way they gathered data to make sure it is a good representation.
The Economist is the first graph.

See a Powerpoint with methodology and detailed results of the second: here. (http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/ppt/Draft-report--9-3-08.ppt)

[Lueda Alia]

Honestly, if McCain gets elected, then America deserves everything that comes its way. That's all I'll say about that.

[HashHolly]

proximity = experience. well then fuck that i should be president because i live closer to the white house than anyone running, so I win.

do you shoot wolves from helicopters? I think not, move along

[Illuminate]

If you knew where Joe Lieberman stood, then you would not label him a Democrat.


How can you still have that opinion of him if he has agreed with Bush over 90% of the time, then?


So, you think it would be better to not just talk to them at all? Because they're not just going to agree with whatever preconditions that the US comes up with.

Of course I can label him a Democrat. He ran with Al Gore as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000. Then in 04' he attempted the Democratic nomination as a candidate for the election. He's an independent Democrat.

He's not Bush and the country is different now than back then. I think Mccain will do a good job.

You don't know what they'll agree to but if they do not agree to anything than yes it's better to NOT speak to this kind of man without precondition

[lauren<3s music]

Lauren '16
'20 and i'll be running for congress

[lauren<3s music]

do you shoot wolves from helicopters? I think not, move along

poor wolves!

I live nearer Iraq than you so I should be president. I also live near many Muslims. I already have more foreign policy experience than she does.

i appoint you my vice president. please practice your winking

[Burn That Shit]

I do know Palin's political views and what I also know is she isn't running for president, Mccain is. Also that's very vague which facts do I not have straight?

McCain is old, and vice president is second in command, meaning if McCain were to die she is president. It was a fucking retarded choice.

[Lueda Alia]

Of course I can label him a Democrat. He ran with Al Gore as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000. Then in 04' he attempted the Democratic nomination as a candidate for the election. He's an independent Democrat.

He's not Bush and the country is different now than back then. I think Mccain will do a good job.

You don't know what they'll agree to but if they do not agree to anything than yes it's better to NOT speak to this kind of man without precondition
No, you clearly don't know Joe Lierberman, or you would not make such comments.

I'm glad that you just know that McCain will do a good job.

So, I guess it's better to not solve a problem at all, then find a way to work around it, eh? Good mentality.

[nfggc10]

Alright, let's do this.

[Jason Tate]

Of course I can label him a Democrat. He ran with Al Gore as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000. Then in 04' he attempted the Democratic nomination as a candidate for the election. He's an independent Democrat.

He's not Bush and the country is different now than back then. I think Mccain will do a good job.

You don't know what they'll agree to but if they do not agree to anything than yes it's better to NOT speak to this kind of man without precondition
What he hell kind of logic is that?

[Illuminate]

If you knew where Joe Lieberman stood, then you would not label him a Democrat.


How can you still have that opinion of him if he has agreed with Bush over 90% of the time, then?


So, you think it would be better to not just talk to them at all? Because they're not just going to agree with whatever preconditions that the US comes up with.

Why is this stupid "without preconditions" argument still being tossed out? :hitself:

Because meeting with terrorists is dangerous

[Lueda Alia]

What he hell kind of logic is that?
I call it "Bad" logic, but I'm a Communist Canadian, so what do I know?

[Machu505]

'20 and i'll be running for congress

Well you'll have to deal with the Senator from Massachusetts.

<----------aka this guy.

[lauren<3s music]

oh george stephanopoulos, swoon

[Jason Tate]

Here we go.

[lauren<3s music]

Because meeting with terrorists is dangerous
and not meeting with them is SO MUCH SAFER. i'm going to call you ostrich from now on.

[Jason Tate]

Because meeting with terrorists is dangerous
And not meeting with them is ignorant.

[lauren<3s music]

funny that their ties are opposite....

[Lueda Alia]

Because meeting with terrorists is dangerous
Haha wow.

Just so you know, from what I have read, he's just a puppet and doesn't have a lot of power (if any) in Iran. Either way, that was a very stupid thing to say.

[nfggc10]

We should see the best job done by a moderator tonight.

[Jason Tate]

McCain has no pin -- again. And he's already writing things down Hahahaha.

[KeasbeyMornings]

I like the cameras going off in the background.
It's a nice touch of reality.

[Tito Jr.]

Looks like McCain dyed his eye brows.

[Jason Tate]

There's the Nancy shout out. :rotfl:

[lauren<3s music]

nice to pull the nancy card.

[saysmydoctor]

Hurting and angry.

Oh.

[Lueda Alia]

Hahaha I was just about to say, "Look, he'll mention Nancy Reagan as soon as he starts talking."

[Jason Tate]

A new direction ... by electing the oldest guy in Washington!

[lauren<3s music]

let me look at my talking points many many times bc i can't remember what im supposed to say

[anamericangod]

Haha wow.

Just so you know, from what I have read, he's just a puppet and doesn't have a lot of power (if any) in Iran. Either way, that was a very stupid thing to say.

He's a figurehead and in charge of their economy. Pretty much one big publicist for the country.

[saysmydoctor]

Not me, I didn't deregulate the industry.

[anamericangod]

Did he just say Freddie Mae?

[lauren<3s music]

the republican advocating for bigger government

:shudder:

[Tito Jr.]

omg he's still going.

[Illuminate]

No, you clearly don't know Joe Lierberman, or you would not make such comments.

I'm glad that you just know that McCain will do a good job.

So, I guess it's better to not solve a problem at all, then find a way to work around it, eh? Good mentality.

If Iran acquires neuclear weapons then we attack. No need to negotiate without precondition. Israel is one of our biggest allies we need to respect that, as a country. And Elaborate on the Joe Lieberman argument- what exactly do you think I'm oblivious to? And Yes I believe Mccain will do a good job otherwise I wouldn't vote for him.

[Jason Tate]

IE: Giving the money to the banks and passing the buck to the taxpayer. Because you want to do it at the face value.

[Lueda Alia]

the republican advocating for bigger government

:shudder:
Don't worry, no one will notice that.

[saysmydoctor]

McCain: It Wasn't Me, Regardless of What You Saw on Camera

[&IllBeTheReason]

Obama looks older today...

[Jason Tate]

Not surprised he didn't mention Cheney in the hospital. Hahaha.

[lauren<3s music]

Don't worry, no one will notice that.
youre right, no one has noticed for 8 years. jesus h christ what is this world coming to?

[Trainsaw]

hell yea pound that middle class O

[saysmydoctor]

I think Ohioan men are incredibly unintelligent.

FUNDAMENTALS WERE STRONG, OBAMA.

[incredulous]

McCain: It Wasn't Me, Regardless of What You Saw on Camera
It was THAT ONE.

[anamericangod]

Not surprised he didn't mention Cheney in the hospital. Hahaha.

They don't want people to cheer.

[KeasbeyMornings]

Look at the CNN graph. The women line is substantially higher than the men line.
McCain chose Palin to garner the women vote? Hah.

[IcedOpethBlind]

omg hes still going

[saysmydoctor]

It was THAT ONE.
Damn Neo.

[Jason Tate]

Hey, that's what I just said. :appl:

[Lueda Alia]

youre right, no one has noticed for 8 years. jesus h christ what is this world coming to?
People drink too much kool-aid.

[Illuminate]

Haha wow.

Just so you know, from what I have read, he's just a puppet and doesn't have a lot of power (if any) in Iran. Either way, that was a very stupid thing to say.

As a country you don't just meet without precondition with Iran who's publicly stating they want to erase Israel off the map- I can't believe you think this not a big deal.

Anyways, gonna go watch the debate will be back later, enjoy.

[anamericangod]

Would you like to ask him a question?

No...

[saysmydoctor]

I'm not asking questions, I'm attacking him instead, sir.

[Jason Tate]

What is with the eyebrows. Hahahaha.

[ambulance]

Sure, and I appreciate you're curiosity.

1. He's a Republican but he doesn't bow down to the far right conservatives. He's voted along side the Democratic parties on issues unlike Obama who has voted pretty much one sided. He has respect from both Republicans and Democrats.. Like I mentioned earlier Joe Lieberman was almost his running mate.
2. He is far more educated and experienced on foreign policy and I personally believe he will handle the situation better than Obama will (I.e- walk out victorious in Iraq, not meet with Ahmadinihead without preconditions)
3. I favor his economic plan on handling the mortgage crisis more than Obama's plan. He also wants to keep the tax cuts, wants to end Pork barrel spending

1. Obama has been in Congress for how many years compared to McCain? Obama has only seen a Republican president, and majority of Republicans in Congress. It is completely unfair to compare the two except in their years they shared the same political environment. McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time, just as Obama has voted 96% (I think) of the time down party lines.

2. How is he more experienced on foreign policy. His remarks regarding the war and the problems in the Middle East has shown he has no clue what he is talking about (will be a quick war, see us as liberators) Not to mention Bush AND the Iraqi Prime Minister have already made plans to start withdrawing troops AND the Iraqi Prime Minister backs Obama's exit plan. I'm sure McCain is more knowledgeable about Iraq than the nations own PM though, right?

And you obviously have no history about the Middle East to say that just meeting with a leader will be bad for US relations, especially when former Secretary of State's (who I'm sure have more knowledge than you on this issue) have backed meeting with these leaders, without preconditions.

3. How is keeping tax cuts for the rich a good idea? Obama's plan provides more tax relief for those making under 250k, that would be 90% of America. Also, about earmarks. You should probably check this out: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part _i.html

[anamericangod]

Fuck, he's gonna help me buy a business. McCain 08!

[lauren<3s music]

he cant make sympathetic gestures, he gets too nervous and fucks it up

[Trainsaw]

is the guy that owns the business named Joe too?

[nijofosho]

who the fuck is joe, i just turned it on.

[incredulous]

First Joe Six Pack, now Joe...Burger, did he say? The debates are not the time to come up with names for Bristol Palin's kid.

[saysmydoctor]

As a country you don't just meet without precondition with Iran who's publicly stating they want to erase Israel off the map- I can't believe you think this not a big deal.

Anyways, gonna go watch the debate will be back later, enjoy.
It's only a big deal if you're ignorant dumbass.

[anamericangod]

oooo siq burn

[&IllBeTheReason]

hahahaa major dig.

[KeasbeyMornings]

McCain sounds like Tigger from Winnie the Pooh with the way he's whistling his S's.

[anamericangod]

Joe Biden is the plumber.

[Jared Kaufman]

Joe Sixpack

[&IllBeTheReason]

As a country you don't just meet without precondition with Iran who's publicly stating they want to erase Israel off the map- I can't believe you think this not a big deal.

Anyways, gonna go watch the debate will be back later, enjoy.
Name a pre-condition and they'll consider respecting your opinion.

[saysmydoctor]

First Joe Six Pack, now Joe...Burger, did he say? The debates are not the time to come up with names for Bristol Palin's kid.
John Barry McBama

[PepsiOne]

"He's been watching ads of McCain's... Let me say what I'll really do."

[lauren<3s music]

Joe Biden is the plumber.
for the love of god photoshop please

[Lueda Alia]

As a country you don't just meet without precondition with Iran who's publicly stating they want to erase Israel off the map- I can't believe you think this not a big deal.

Anyways, gonna go watch the debate will be back later, enjoy.
Iran as a country has not made any threats, as far as I know. A puppet, on the other hand, has. So please don't twist my words. I never said it's not a big deal if Israel is actually really threatened. All I'm saying is, that your logic is just very bad, and sadly, ignorant. You can't act like a 3rd grade kid about international matters; "Oh, I won't talk to you if you don't do what I say!" Have you not seen how "well" that worked for Bush?

Nothing we say will ever change your mind, because it's already been made up. Clearly, facts don't do a whole lot either, so I give up.

[IcedOpethBlind]

just let my family keep their guns obama

[incredulous]

I wonder if Joe Plumber and Joe Six Pack are the same person.

[lauren<3s music]

he blinks a lot when he lies

[anamericangod]

Lol McCain basically saying Obama is a Socialist.

[Jason Tate]

Trickle down economics are so fucking stupid - Jesus Christ, IT DOESN'T WORK!

[&IllBeTheReason]

Only commies spread wealth!

[shawnb213]

he blinks a lot when he lies

Huge tell.

[saysmydoctor]

What is so wrong with a redistribution of wealth? Look what the opposite has caused. Look at these Reaganomics, John. Look at them. Look at the economy.

[Burn That Shit]

joe the plumber and joe sick pack are going to fuck up the country.

[Jason Tate]

McCain is portraying his tax plans as primarily benefitting small business owners. FactCheck.org has previously called McCain’s claims in this regard ”bunk” (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_small-business_bunk.html). In fact, only a minority of small business owners would benefit from McCain’s proposals.

[open mind]

our repairman just walked in and said obama is liar about everything, lacks common sense, and that if he's elected he'll be dead in six months.......if he wasn't an old family friend i would have laughed in his face and called a different repairman.

[KeasbeyMornings]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

"We're talking about Joe the Plumber, HAHAHAHAHA!"

[nijofosho]

is it just me or is mccain a bit more loose and desperate.

[saysmydoctor]

Nice interjection, John.

[anamericangod]

McCain just LOL'd

[Jared Kaufman]

10 min in and we already have interrupting with creepy laugh.

[lauren<3s music]

Huge tell.
i would love to have a body language expert watch him.

obama needs to POUND him on this

[Lueda Alia]

our repairman just walked in and said obama is liar about everything, lacks common sense, and that if he's elected he'll be dead in six months.......if he wasn't an old family friend i would have laughed in his face and called a different repairman.
You should still do it, anyway.

[saysmydoctor]

Encourage business...by not spreading the wealth so people can afford to do so!

[lauren<3s music]

we have heard this question at EVERY DEBATE

[Lueda Alia]

Why is McCain talking with only half his mouth open. It's very annoying.
Haha he also blinks way too much. It's getting on my nerves.

[anamericangod]

Why is McCain talking with only half his mouth open. It's very annoying.

What's left of his soul is trying so fucking hard not to escape.

[ambulance]

how many times are they going to answer this questions?

[Jason Tate]

McCain is giving creepy eyes to Obama. Hahaha, this time he's actually looking at him apparently.

[open mind]

You should still do it, anyway.

believe me it's tempting.

[Lueda Alia]

we have heard this question at EVERY DEBATE
This is why I'm finding these debates boring now. Can we please come up with some new questions?

[Jason Tate]

McCain suggested that his tax plan would help small businesses. But in reality, McCain’s tax plan would disproportionately benefits large corporations, giving $200 billion dollars to the Fortune 200 (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/%3Cbr%20/%3E2008/06/26/fortune-200-report/).

[tambam]

He looks like such a sleazy old man. His smile bothers me.

[incredulous]

This is boring. We've heard the same statistics. I know the bailout is $700 billion. I know about Ireland's 11% taxing on business. Can we move on?

[saysmydoctor]

I like a man who can say..."We've been living to luxuriously...and my fellow Americans, we are all idiots. I'm going to educate us by making our lives slightly less enjoyable so they can be exponentially more enjoyable in the future."

[Jason Tate]

Best answer about the need to be investing in our future I've heard him give.

[saysmydoctor]

Depression era--I was alive then.

[lauren<3s music]

This is why I'm finding these debates boring now. Can we please come up with some new questions?
i would love to give debates a facelift. shorter answer times more moderator direction. being like NO YOU AREN'T ANSWERING THE QUESTION ANSWER THE QUESTION.

i swear

[Jason Tate]

NOT AT THE ORIGINAL PRICE. :hitself:

x.

[saysmydoctor]

Offshore drilling won't HELP. Have you read any fucking reports?

[anamericangod]

The spending freeze is so fucking dumb.

[Jason Tate]

John McCain has suggested that the example of Ireland justifies his plan for a cut in the corporate income tax. In fact, Ireland raised close to 4 percent of GDP (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/15/presidential-debate-live-blogging-3/%E2%80%9Dhttp://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/09/irish_corporate_taxes_bring_it_on.p hp%E2%80%9D) in revenue, far more than the 2.2 percent of GDP currently raised by the American corporate tax rate.

[nfggc10]

Again with the spending freeze....

[aminorthreat55]

What's left of his soul is trying so fucking hard not to escape.
Quote of the week right here.

[saysmydoctor]

Government spending--I voted for most of it, by encouraging the Bush Administration.

[lauren<3s music]

really is that why you haven't supported ANY of webb's bills for soldiers?

[anamericangod]

OH GOD

He's started the "I know how to..." for everything.

[atticusfinch]

dude what the fuck is mccain talking about.

[IcedOpethBlind]

he's correct on ethanol

[Trainsaw]

he seems so rattled right now

[lauren<3s music]

i wish obama would be MUCH more aggressive

[Jason Tate]

AND YOU ARE THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN IN OFFICE TO CAUSE THESE PROBLEMS?

And, please, EXPLAIN to everyone WHY in the past 26 years you didn't do this? Hmm? Please. WHY didn't you save the billions over the past 26 years!?

[&IllBeTheReason]

More 'I know how's'.
Then why the HELL haven't you proposed it yet?

[incredulous]

Greatest increase in government since the Great Society. Under your party, McCain.

"I'll hack everything to pieces, AND THEN I'll get out the scalpel. AHA. GENIUS."

[KeasbeyMornings]

Stop bringing up the planetarium thing. Jesus fucking Christ.

[Jason Tate]

i wish obama would be MUCH more aggressive
I definitely don't.

[Lueda Alia]

If he knows how to fix all these problems, then why hasn't he brought them on the table yet? Or is he waiting to get elected first, and only then will he actually want to help the country? Idiot.

[atticusfinch]

"we'll cut out all the pork"

lol wut

[saysmydoctor]

John McCain has suggested that the example of Ireland justifies his plan for a cut in the corporate income tax. In fact, Ireland raised close to 4 percent of GDP (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/15/presidential-debate-live-blogging-3/%E2%80%9Dhttp://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/09/irish_corporate_taxes_bring_it_on.p hp%E2%80%9D) in revenue, far more than the 2.2 percent of GDP currently raised by the American corporate tax rate.
Thank you for pointing this out.

Pork barrel spending, as much as I oppose some of it, is 1%. Open your eyes, John, like I've opened mine.

[Johnis]

OH NOES THE OVERHEAD PROJECTOR STRIKES AGAIN! THIS WILL TRULY BE THE DOWNFALL OF OBAMA.

I'd like to do a facepalm with a giant foam hand.

[anamericangod]

he seems so rattled right now

This = Custer's Last Stand

[nfggc10]

Great stat there.

[IcedOpethBlind]

If he knows how to fix all these problems, then why hasn't he brought them on the table yet? Or is he waiting to get elected first, and only then will he actually want to help the country? Idiot.

obama?

[lauren<3s music]

I definitely don't.
why? i would love him to be like no john, once again you are lying.

[saysmydoctor]

"I know how to do everything. Need presidency though, or fuck you people."

[tambam]

McCain claims to know an awful lot. He's so full of bullshit.

[incredulous]

i wish obama would be MUCH more aggressive
Maybe he's bored too. He probably wants to portray himself as smart and coolheaded.

[Jason Tate]

Earlier in the debate, McCain repeatedly attacked Barack Obama for his conversation last Sunday in Ohio with “Joe the plumber,” as McCain calls plumbing business owner Joe Wurzelbacher (http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/barack-obama-and-the-plumbing.html), whose earnings of over $250,000 a year puts him comfortably in the top five percent of earners in the United States. Watch the conversation:

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Here’s how the non-partisan Tax Policy Center found the candidates’ tax proposals would affect people’s taxes (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/06/12/obamas-tax-plan-not-mccains-helps-americans-who-actually-need-it/):


http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obamatax1.JPG (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/06/12/obamas-tax-plan-not-mccains-helps-americans-who-actually-need-it/)

[saysmydoctor]

You are President Bush. 91% of the time.

[KeasbeyMornings]

"I am not President Bush."

Lies.

[anamericangod]

If he knows how to fix all these problems, then why hasn't he brought them on the table yet? Or is he waiting to get elected first, and only then will he actually want to help the country? Idiot.

Seriously. If he has all the fucking answers, why doesn't he tell somebody about it.

[Lueda Alia]

obama?
No, McCain. He says he knows how to fix the economy, how to catch Bin Laden, etc. If he knows, then where has he been this whole time? Why is he holding out?

[nijofosho]

hes getting feisty, what a turd

[saysmydoctor]

Bloomberg is not an idiot, though.

[anamericangod]

"You should have ran against Bush 4 years ago."

Lol wow.

[Jason Tate]

why? i would love him to be like no john, once again you are lying.
Because no one likes that at all - you might, independents don't.

[fightoffyrdmns]

LOL McCain getting snarky.

Too bad it wasn't even funny.