MNF-Broncos vs. Patriots

[rcrook]

C'mon Pats help the Chargers out please.

[LeftWideOpen]

jay cutler is going to be the first person to throw for 700 yards in a game.

[rcrook]

he does think he has a stronger arm than elway so 700 here he comes

[xbrokendownx]

go broncos

[pand75]

Well then.

[preppyak]

haha, they fumbled that forward like 25 yards...beautiful job...and add on the penalty

[pand75]

Why the hell do Sammy Morris and Michael Pittman look more explosive than LT right now? It's not fair.

[Scott Weber]

matt cassell is so horrible.

[livethesounds]

where's all the pats fans? still pouting about last night i assume?

i haven't been watching much of this game because of the Stars, but it seems NE has really struggled in the red zone.

[livethesounds]

matt cassell is so horrible.

he really is

[preppyak]

Why the hell do Sammy Morris and Michael Pittman look more explosive than LT right now? It's not fair.
Cause they are running against the 20th and 25th ranked run defenses

And because the Denver defensive players have yet to take one correct angle on a tackle all game?

[startBBtoday]

fuck yahoo fantasy for crediting pittman with a fumble, even though he hasn't fumbled. it was andre hall twice you retards.

[pand75]

Cause they are running against the 20th and 25th ranked run defenses
Well that makes sense, but you know what I mean

[Scott Weber]

make a fucking decision cassell, you are terrible!

[preppyak]

Well that makes sense, but you know what I mean
Yeah...I think even LT would run for 150 against this Denver D...which also speaks for how bad Cassel and that offense is to not have gotten a TD against it

[livethesounds]

thats the reason you don't throw the ball to champs side.

[preppyak]

hahah...yeah, Cassell, ignore the check down on 1st and 2nd downs...and use him on 3rd when you need the first down. Such a joke

[startBBtoday]

matt cassel, the worst quarterback at eluding the rush i have ever seen.

[pand75]

Cassel just looks so lost.

[preppyak]

jesus, finally. If they had run play-action to Vrabel, I bet Cassel waits 30 seconds to throw before getting sacked

[pand75]

Damn I should've listen to Rosenthall and started Sammy Morris

[rcrook]

nobody wants to win the afc west

[Scott Weber]

I think I'm most pissed at using Cassell as a bye-week fill-in and having him just embarass me. I never thought I would struggle to get 14 points between Cassell and Marshall but my god, it doesn't look likely.

[startBBtoday]

i need 19 points out of michael pittman and a bogus lost fumble certainly isn't helping.

[Scott Weber]

they'll fix it, settle down

[startBBtoday]

NO ONE'S FIXED IT! I'M FREAKING OUT! it does worry me that espn and all the other outlets are reporting it too.

[preppyak]

NO ONE'S FIXED IT! I'M FREAKING OUT! it does worry me that espn and all the other outlets are reporting it too.
Cause they all use the same stat source? I mean, do you really think ESPN has 16 guys to cover stats for each NFL game...and then as many for NBA, MLB, etc...and that each other outlet hires as many people to keep pace?

I'm willing to bet that each team submits it electronically from the stadium, outlets tap into, and ESPN has a few guys (or just Schwab when he's not doing his show) that verify them

[billyboatkid]

Holy shit Denver l, holy fucking shit.

[startBBtoday]

meriweather rules

[preppyak]

hahahaha, wow Cutler...not even close

[startBBtoday]

Cause they all use the same stat source? I mean, do you really think ESPN has 16 guys to cover stats for each NFL game...and then as many for NBA, MLB, etc...and that each other outlet hires as many people to keep pace?

I'm willing to bet that each team submits it electronically from the stadium, outlets tap into, and ESPN has a few guys (or just Schwab when he's not doing his show) that verify them

i'm almost positive it's all from the same source. when you see one outlet fix something, they all do within minutes.

[livethesounds]

dever looks like ass. NE doesn't look that great either. am i really watching hockey over this? sad.

[Scott Weber]

holy shit cassell you are AWFUL

[startBBtoday]

oh wow, cassel sacked again, huh? weird. cassel you suck, bring back bledsoe.

[pand75]

When the Broncos sack you this much, you know you suck

[preppyak]

haha, Cassel...Ben Watson SOOO open, and he doesn't see it

[Scott Weber]

omg hahahahahaha

[startBBtoday]

i guess at least cassel has never ran out of the back of the endzone.

[preppyak]

Shanahan is gonna flip...he is going to kill someone on his team

[startBBtoday]

haha, Cassel...Ben Watson SOOO open, and he doesn't see it

ben watson is invisible to matt cassel.

[pand75]

i guess at least cassel has never ran out of the back of the endzone.
you should never compare your NFL team to the Lions. Shame on you lol

[rcrook]

god tony kornheiser beats a dead horse every monday night broadcast whether it be brett favre, tom brady or someone else.

[startBBtoday]

ok, cassel, champ bailey is out, throw to moss. now. just have him run down the field as far as you can throw it, then throw it.

[preppyak]

god tony kornheiser beats a dead horse every monday night broadcast whether it be brett favre, tom brady or someone else.
Wait til ESPN "breaks" the Favre story during this broadcast...Kornheiser will forget there is a game on

And jesus Denver, they are trying to get blown-out

[startBBtoday]

YES

see cassel, that's your best receiver, his name is randy moss, he's pretty tall and very athletic.

[xbrokendownx]

patrick ramsey yesssss

[xbrokendownx]

oh look a personal foul on rodney harrison whaddaya know

[livethesounds]

boo this game

[preppyak]

YES

see cassel, that's your best receiver, his name is randy moss, he's pretty tall and very athletic.
Well, and he actually made a decent throw...he used the only throw he knows, which is 1000mph, and right above Moss. Now if he could learn to throw a touch pass

[startBBtoday]

i'm pretty happy the pats are looking so good right now.

[preppyak]

holy awful Denver

[rcrook]

west coast football is terrible this year. 2 worst divisions in football.

[livethesounds]

i'm pretty happy the pats are looking so good right now.

now be honest, is it the pats looking good or the broncos looking bad...mostly.

[rcrook]

is this whole sack issue due to matt cassell, the pats offensive line or both?

[startBBtoday]

now be honest, is it the pats looking good or the broncos looking bad...mostly.

sammy morris is looking awesome, matt cassel looks horrible and our secondary is looking pretty good.

[startBBtoday]

is this whole sack issue due to matt cassell, the pats offensive line or both?

90% cassel

[livethesounds]

sammy morris is looking awesome, matt cassel looks horrible and our secondary is looking pretty good.

secondary looking good because cutler is looking bad? haha

[hockey0001]

is this whole sack issue due to matt cassell, the pats offensive line or both?

both, cassell has very little pocket presence but on a couple of them he was sacked before he even had a chance to set up

[Drew Beringer]

ooof Denver

[xbrokendownx]

Cassell is maybe the worst QB at avoiding the rush ive ever seen

[startBBtoday]

secondary looking good because cutler is looking bad? haha

nice tackle wilhite...

[startBBtoday]

how is denver's offensive line this year?

[xbrokendownx]

does this ref sound slow to anyone else?

[xbrokendownx]

denver's D is awful

[startBBtoday]

that dude had a moss tattoo...

[preppyak]

good thing Marshall has finally showed up...start the Denver come back!

[FondestMemory]

there goes that comeback.

[preppyak]

haha, wow...terrible throw

But how dumb is Wilfork? Swing at a dude with a helmet on...

And this Polamalu/LT commercial is the sickest thing since that LeBron commercial...turns out David Fincher directed it

[anamericangod]

Fuck me for betting on the Broncos. What a miserable performance. So much for their unstoppable offense.

[preppyak]

hahahaha...Wilfork with ANOTHER penalty

[btbam > you]

Fuck me for betting on the Broncos. What a miserable performance. So much for their unstoppable offense.

lol

[preppyak]

and now Dre Bly down...Randy Moss is going deep every play now

[crit]

It's been fun watching my two favorite teams tonight. Glad the Pats are cruising.

[preppyak]

right Jaws, they didn't adapt their offense to Cassel...and its never been more apparent than tonight that he isn't Tom Brady...so the Patriots DIDN'T do a smart thing by pretending he was. They expect a guy who can't find a 2nd reciever to consider 3rd, 4th, and 5th options as well...its asking to get 50+ sacks in the season

[bjam12]

Do you think Cutler will come back out? I need two more points in fantasy to win haha.

[preppyak]

Do you think Cutler will come back out? I need two more points in fantasy to win haha.
If him throwing a pick gets you points...then you might be in luck...but, I doubt it. After taht Harrison injury, anyone who has any importance is out of this game

[bjam12]

If him throwing a pick gets you points...then you might be in luck...but, I doubt it. After taht Harrison injury, anyone who has any importance is out of this game

Wow, I just won by .03 points. Haha.

[IAmNietzche]

holy shit cassell you are AWFUL
Lose.

[pand75]

I just lost by 1 with Cutler, Marshall and Moss. I'm not undefeated anymore, sucks

[pand75]

Lose.
I'm not sure what game you watched

[IAmNietzche]

I'm not sure what game you watched
Oh I dunno, the one where Cassel had a 136.6 passer rating. Retard.

[pand75]

Oh I dunno, the one where Cassel had a 136.6 passer rating. Retard.
Or the one where he got sacked 6 times by the 25th ranked run defense and with both of their CBs out, especially Champ. Didn't you notice how Moss got 2 TDs after Champ went down

[crit]

His numbers alone from tonight's game look fantastic, but he is still terrible.

[IAmNietzche]

Or the one where he got sacked 6 times by the 25th ranked run defence
And that ended up mattering how? Agreeing that a QB with a 136.6 passer rating is awful means you know shit about the sport.

[preppyak]

Oh I dunno, the one where Cassel had a 136.6 passer rating. Retard.
Passer Rating is a terrible stat to gauge a QB's game on...it over-values a touchdown in comparison to yards...and since Cassel had several drives gift wrapped by Denver being awful, his rating is good. If you want to talk "game knowledge", you'd know that already, as even ESPN's analysts laugh when someone brings that stat up as proof

If you think a QB throwing 24 passes for 185yds and taking 6 sacks in the process is a great game...then just wow. He looked lost for about 1/2 the game, and the other half Denver and their terrible D was without Bailey and Bly, making them somehow worse

Do yourself a favor as a fan, don't pretend that Cassel had a great game or is the answer

[pand75]

What he said

[IAmNietzche]

Passer Rating is a terrible stat to gauge a QB's game on...it over-values a touchdown in comparison to yards...and since Cassel had several drives gift wrapped by Denver being awful, his rating is good

If you think a QB throwing 24 passes for 185yds and taking 6 sacks in the process is a great game...then just wow. He looked lost for about 1/2 the game, and the other half Denver and their terrible D was without Bailey and Bly, making them somehow worse

Do yourself a favor as a fan, don't pretend that Cassel had a great game or is the answer
Didn't say he had a great game. But saying he had an AWFUL game is just retarded.

[pand75]

I'm pretty sure even Rex Grossman wouldn't of found a way to fuck up NE's situation tonight

[preppyak]

Didn't say he had a great game. But saying he had an AWFUL game is just retarded.
He said he was awful...likely in response to a specific play...and I can think of at least 6 plays...make that 7, where he was AWFUL

The biggest thing is that he still looks uncomfortable, and somehow they haven't adjusted that offense to suit him more

[livethesounds]

His numbers alone from tonight's game look fantastic, but he is still terrible.

yea, lets all remember, this is the defense that made the Kansas City Cheifs look like a playoff team.

[crit]

Passer Rating is a terrible stat to gauge a QB's game on...it over-values a touchdown in comparison to yards...and since Cassel had several drives gift wrapped by Denver being awful, his rating is good. If you want to talk "game knowledge", you'd know that already, as even ESPN's analysts laugh when someone brings that stat up as proof

If you think a QB throwing 24 passes for 185yds and taking 6 sacks in the process is a great game...then just wow. He looked lost for about 1/2 the game, and the other half Denver and their terrible D was without Bailey and Bly, making them somehow worse

Do yourself a favor as a fan, don't pretend that Cassel had a great game or is the answer
Yes.

Didn't say he had a great game. But saying he had an AWFUL game is just retarded.
He had himself an alright game...he is still not a very good quarterback. He made good throws tonight, but he looked like a moron out there just as often as he looked good.

[IAmNietzche]

He said he was awful...likely in response to a specific play...and I can think of at least 6 plays...make that 7, where he was AWFUL
Pand's repsonse mentioned he didn't know what "game" I was watching implying that he was AWFUL for the entire game.

[pand75]

Pand's repsonse mentioned he didn't know what "game" I was watching implying that he was AWFUL for the entire game.
Yeah that's what I said in response to your comment "Lose." Because if you came away thinking that he wasn't awful for the most part of the game, then I don't know what to tell you.

[preppyak]

Pand's repsonse mentioned he didn't know what "game" I was watching implying that he was AWFUL for the entire game.
Ah...well, that would be off, he had a few decent plays when they played to his strengths...but whenever they try to force him to make Brady plays, he either gets sacked, picked, or runs around in circles before throwing it away.

He could be a good game managing QB for that team, especially if it relied on running when its successful, but Bill seems determined to assume Cassel is Brady and it will work itself out.

[pand75]

Like preppy said, he had his moments, but Denver's secondary going down had a huge part in that success

[livethesounds]

Ah...well, that would be off, he had a few decent plays when they played to his strengths...but whenever they try to force him to make Brady plays, he either gets sacked, picked, or runs around in circles before throwing it away.

He could be a good game managing QB for that team, especially if it relied on running when its successful, but Bill seems determined to assume Cassel is Brady and it will work itself out.

with their RB situation, he has to try to be brady, they can't really just let him manage the game.
speaking of which did morris come back into the game or whats the status on him?

[preppyak]

with their RB situation, he has to try to be brady, they can't really just let him manage the game. speaking of which did morris come back into the game or whats the status on him?
No idea on Morris...but I sort of disagree on the other part.

Games they won (not counting the KC game)...vs. Jets, Broncos, 49ers...they ran for over 100yds and had a reasonable amount of attempts (25-30ish). The Jets have a good run D, so that they got 100 and ran 32 times surprised me...but, they did win in an ugly game. THAT is going to be their style under Cassel. The fewer the plays and possessions the better...less chance for them to make mistakes

When they lost to Miami, they abandoned the run even before the game was out of hand...Cassel throws 30+ passes...they lose. The Chargers was a bit different cause they did try to run and their defense just got shredded to the point it didn't matter what they tried...but again, Cassel 30+ throws = loss.

Their style should be like Big Ben's first season but with less run expectation. The Steelers expected to have 100yds from their starting back and 150+ overall...that was their offense and scoring...and Ben would make plays when needed to score more. For Cassel, give him the occasional play action pass to Moss and the occasional dump off to Welker, to mix in with the run, and you are in a lot of close games you can win if your defense holds.

But...what they did tonight at the start was assume Cassel was Brady and throw on downs where they should have run...especially against Denver...and only got FG's cause Cassel doesn't have the progressions. When their running game started getting 15 yard gains, then they went more to it...and bam, game wide open. Its not the perfect example, cause Denver's D is possibly the worst I've seen so far, but it is what I'm talking about.

If the Pats expect Cassel to win games for them to make the playoffs...they won't be playing in January...and in their next 6 games, 3 of the teams are in the bottom half against the run, the Dolphins are 12th, and only the Jets and Steelers have solid run defenses. Why wouldn't they run more? Win those games by a touchdown each maybe...go 4-2 in that stretch (especially if the can beat the Jets again)...and they probably have a wild-card berth pretty well set up, maybe even the division. If Cassel is throwing 30-35 passes though, he's making too many mistakes for them to win (like getting sacked left and right)

Lamont Jordan, Morris, and Faulk aren't great running backs, but between them they can run 25 times for 100+ yds against mediocre defenses...get a couple FG's, hope Welker or Moss breaks off for a big play...probably win

edit: This is just from having seen 4 of their games and looking through the stats...so maybe I'm off there...but when they beat the Jets, it was with simplicity, not complexity like last year