Going on welfare / getting unemployment insurance

[bung]

So I have this plan where I will receive money by one of the means stated in the title.

I could google all the information I want, but it will be funner this way.

Are there any problems I will face in trying to acquire either welfare or unemployment insurance? Any qualifications I will need to meet? Exactly how easy and how much of this free money can I suck out of the government?

Is this a bad idea?

[thespearkid]

To answer your last question, yes. Unless you seriously need it, don't do this.

[Hermux-Tantamoq]

Twist the nipples of those who bark, you need to push and probe in order to obtain anything in life.

[bung]

Haha, I've just applied for unemployment in Minnesota. They estimate the free money they will be sending me to be about $69 a week.

[argg_xo]

i thought of "dennis and dee go on welfare" as soon as i seen this thread. good luck man.

[jagermeister]

If you don't really need this desperately you're really fucked up for even considering it.

Also, it isn't "free" money. Are you that ignorant?

[pilot_light_out]

my mom will seriously hate you if you go on welfare

[mattmatumbo]

Haha, I've just applied for unemployment in Minnesota. They estimate the free money they will be sending me to be about $69 a week.

thats about how much i make at hollister... life sucks

[lew_1987]

To answer your last question, yes. Unless you seriously need it, don't do this.

I think this is the only correct answer.

[bung]

If you don't really need this desperately you're really fucked up for even considering it.

Also, it isn't "free" money. Are you that ignorant?

Why? I don't have a job, so legally I'm just as entitled to it as any other American.

I know it isn't "free" in the true sense of the word, you presumptuous knave. I merely meant free in the sense that I'm a part of a socio-economic system in which the taxes I duly pay can actually, for a change, be used to my own personal advantage, allowing me to spend them any way I see fit, freely.

I've seen a lot of responses on why not to do this, yet no actual reasons to back up the claims. And that's what I'm mostly looking for.

[mattmatumbo]

Why? I don't have a job, so legally I'm just as entitled to it as any other American.

I know it isn't "free" in the true sense of the word, you presumptuous knave. I merely meant free in the sense that I'm a part of a socio-economic system in which the taxes I duly pay can actually, for a change, be used to my own personal advantage, allowing me to spend them any way I see fit, freely.

hooray, i need to quit hollister considering i could do my homework and get paid for it

[bung]

hooray, i need to quit hollister considering i could do my homework and get paid for it

Lol, I actually don't even have to do my homework. In theory, they should pay me regardless. :-)

[DaveZeroZero]

The government can't afford it, they just paid out $700bn they don't have!

[hockeycoshow1]

The government can't afford it, they just paid out $700bn they don't have!
Psh we will just have to print up more moneyz dur.

[DaveZeroZero]

Psh we will just have to print up more moneyz dur.
Because that would never cause hyperinflation!

[hockeycoshow1]

Because that would never cause hyperinflation!
Psh nooo

I actually had someone say that in a college lvl economics course when talking about the budged I /facepalmed

[DaveZeroZero]

Psh nooo

I actually had someone say that in a college lvl economics course when talking about the budged I /facepalmed
I'll go to the mint and set it up.

[hockeycoshow1]

I'll go to the mint and set it up.
You will be the savior of our economy.

[GetWellBoss]

youre so fucking ignorant.

you dont have a job so you dont pay taxes. you are just taking without giving.

and to give you the benefit of the doubt that you previously had a job, so you previously paid taxes and that is what you were talking about, then i would like to know more about the situation. were you laid off or let go? or did you just quit because you didn't like it?

the purpose of the system is to help people survive when they lost their job NOT because they are lazy.

[sjb2k1]

oh good, somebody said it for me:
youre so fucking ignorant.

you dont have a job so you dont pay taxes. you are just taking without giving.

and to give you the benefit of the doubt that you previously had a job, so you previously paid taxes and that is what you were talking about, then i would like to know more about the situation. were you laid off or let go? or did you just quit because you didn't like it?

the purpose of the system is to help people survive when they lost their job NOT because they are lazy.

[HelpMeSleep]

$69 a week is not very much money at all...

[DaveZeroZero]

youre so fucking ignorant.

you dont have a job so you dont pay taxes. you are just taking without giving.

and to give you the benefit of the doubt that you previously had a job, so you previously paid taxes and that is what you were talking about, then i would like to know more about the situation. were you laid off or let go? or did you just quit because you didn't like it?

the purpose of the system is to help people survive when they lost their job NOT because they are lazy.
Yes, because people who DO have a job and pay taxes claim unemployment benefit for their trouble.

OH, WAIT, NO THEY DON'T.

[hockeycoshow1]

$69 a week is not very much money at all...
I was thinking the same thing how can someone live on that amount of money?

[GetWellBoss]

Yes, because people who DO have a job and pay taxes claim unemployment benefit for their trouble.

OH, WAIT, NO THEY DON'T.

Huh? I think we are on the same side...so I dont really get your comment.

Unemployment benefits are important with regards to layoffs(which happen more often than we would hope). So to completely do away the system would be idiotic. Which in turn means, people that DO have jobs, think unemployment benefits are important.

HOWEVER, there is a complete misuse of the system. Unemployment is supposed to be used in hard times not when you are just too lazy to work(OP). They are to be used as a crutch for that time you go to work and your boss says, I'm sorry you no longer have a job here because we can't afford you. You then have to come up with bills, food for your family, etc. That is why unemployment is there. Not so you can buy your cigarette's without spending your own money to support your habit.

[DaveZeroZero]

Psh nooo

I actually had someone say that in a college lvl economics course when talking about the budged I /facepalmed
I said it in a debate haha - I asserted that, if done in a controlled manner (it was a different situation), it could be done without causing hyperinflation.

[DaveZeroZero]

Huh? I think we are on the same side...so I dont really get your comment.

Unemployment benefits are important with regards to layoffs(which happen more often than we would hope). So to completely do away the system would be idiotic. Which in turn means, people that DO have jobs, think unemployment benefits are important.

HOWEVER, there is a complete misuse of the system. Unemployment is supposed to be used in hard times not when you are just too lazy to work(OP). They are to be used as a crutch for that time you go to work and your boss says, I'm sorry you no longer have a job here because we can't afford you. You then have to come up with bills, food for your family, etc. That is why unemployment is there. Not so you can buy your cigarette's without spending your own money to support your habit.
If you're genuinely unemployed and trying to get (or at least thinking of getting) a job, I don't see the problem.

[HelpMeSleep]

I was thinking the same thing how can someone live on that amount of money?
haha seriously. the only way I could get paid that much a week is because I'd have other places to get money from.

[GetWellBoss]

If you're genuinely unemployed and trying to get (or at least thinking of getting) a job, I don't see the problem.

Right. That's what I'm saying. That is why I called him ignorant. I work in the judicial system so I see this type of misuse on a DAILY basis. Personally I believe we should have stricter guidelines and better monitoring of who gets unemployment and what they are doing to to fix the problem they are in.

[hockeycoshow1]

I said it in a debate haha - I asserted that, if done in a controlled manner (it was a different situation), it could be done without causing hyperinflation.
Well i guess that could make sense but still printing money does not solve problems look at Germany Post WWI. Printing 7 billion dollars is just never a good idea.

[sjb2k1]

$69 a week is not very much money at all...that is still $69 that could be going to someone who just got laid off and is scrambling to pay bills, instead of a lazy ass who just doesn't want to get a job.

[GetWellBoss]

that is still $69 that could be going to someone who just got laid off and is scrambling to pay bills, instead of a lazy ass who just doesn't want to get a job.

you are pretty much amazing. haha.

[bung]

youre so fucking ignorant.

you dont have a job so you dont pay taxes. you are just taking without giving.

and to give you the benefit of the doubt that you previously had a job, so you previously paid taxes and that is what you were talking about, then i would like to know more about the situation. were you laid off or let go? or did you just quit because you didn't like it?

the purpose of the system is to help people survive when they lost their job NOT because they are lazy.

I was let go for details that.. I won't go in to.

I know that the purpose of the system is to help people with their income when they lose a job, not to help people because they are lazy. In practice does the system work this way? Ha! (BTW, I'm not lazy. I just don't like working mindless, unskilled jobs.)

I don't agree with the system and I don't approve of it. But since it's in place, and because, in theory, it's my own money that I'm getting back, I have no qualms about using (or abusing) it.

The government has chosen to implement such a system and collectively fuck liberty and justice (yes, liberty and justice), so I'm going to fuck them in return. Even though I'm not fucking them because I'm going about it entirely within the confines of the law by using the system they themselves set up, so I see no problem with it.

In fact, it could be argued that this assistance in monetary form from the government will help me to get through college easier and far more effectively. So presumably I will be able to do better in school without the hassle of a "normal" job. Then, when I finally do get my degree, I can contribute to society in whichever way I choose by using that degree, ultimately going above and beyond to pay off any "debt" I have with the government. :-)

I have been looking for a job for a few weeks, too. I just need to find the "right kind" of job.

[hockeycoshow1]

haha seriously. the only way I could get paid that much a week is because I'd have other places to get money from.
Seriously you couldn't make rent anywhere for 69 dollars a week much less be able to afford any food besides 10cents a pack top ramen.

not baggin on top ramen I love the stuff, but I couldn't live on it

[HelpMeSleep]

that is still $69 that could be going to someone who just got laid off and is scrambling to pay bills, instead of a lazy ass who just doesn't want to get a job.
oh, I know. I meant it more like why would he even bother?

[DaveZeroZero]

Right. That's what I'm saying. That is why I called him ignorant. I work in the judicial system so I see this type of misuse on a DAILY basis. Personally I believe we should have stricter guidelines and better monitoring of who gets unemployment and what they are doing to to fix the problem they are in.
Yeah, fair enough.

Well i guess that could make sense but still printing money does not solve problems look at Germany Post WWI. Printing 7 billion dollars is just never a good idea.
I was saying that it could be useful for the British government councils who had large sums of money in the icelandic banking system (which just collapsed completely). For example, my local council lost about £5m, so over $9m. If you print the money and give it to those councils, it was in the bank, it's not going to get spend for a while and so will, therefore, be injected into the economy in controlled amounts. Not only that, but it's also not putting any new money in, just replacing the capital that was already there.

[bung]

oh, I know. I meant it more like why would he even bother?

Haha, I live in a dorm. I don't pay any bills. The only things I truly need to buy are food and drink, plus the occasional school charge for whatever it happens to be.

Also, it amuses me that everyone instantly jumped to the conclusion that I'm a lazy ass who doesn't want a job since I'm applying for unemployment. And it's only because my situation doesn't fit the typical situations you have where people are applying for unemployment.

[hockeycoshow1]

Yeah, fair enough.


I was saying that it could be useful for the British government councils who had large sums of money in the icelandic banking system (which just collapsed completely). For example, my local council lost about £5m, so over $9m. If you print the money and give it to those councils, it was in the bank, it's not going to get spend for a while and so will, therefore, be injected into the economy in controlled amounts. Not only that, but it's also not putting any new money in, just replacing the capital that was already there.
Aha see that makes sense I was wondering why you were debating about the American Crisis, but here it would go into the economy which is a bad thing.

[hockeycoshow1]

Haha, I live in a dorm. I don't pay any bills. The only things I truly need to buy are food and drink, plus the occasional school charge for whatever it happens to be.

Also, it amuses me that everyone instantly jumped to the conclusion that I'm a lazy ass who doesn't want a job since I'm applying for unemployment. And it's only because my situation doesn't fit the typical situations you have where people are applying for unemployment.
You don't have a meal plan? I can see why you would want the money, but you don't really need it, unless you don't have a meal plan, so technically the government shouldn't give it to you but if you can convince them, more power to you I wouldn't mind getting 69 dollars a week for doing nothing.

[GetWellBoss]

I was let go for details that.. I won't go in to.

I know that the purpose of the system is to help people with their income when they lose a job, not to help people because they are lazy. In practice does the system work this way? Ha! (BTW, I'm not lazy. I just don't like working mindless, unskilled jobs.)

I don't agree with the system and I don't approve of it. But since it's in place, and because, in theory, it's my own money that I'm getting back, I have no qualms about using (or abusing) it.

The government has chosen to implement such a system and collectively fuck liberty and justice (yes, liberty and justice), so I'm going to fuck them in return. Even though I'm not fucking them because I'm going about it entirely within the confines of the law by using the system they themselves set up, so I see no problem with it.

In fact, it could be argued that this assistance in monetary form from the government will help me to get through college easier and far more effectively. So presumably I will be able to do better in school without the hassle of a "normal" job. Then, when I finally do get my degree, I can contribute to society in whichever way I choose by using that degree, ultimately going above and beyond to pay off any "debt" I have with the government. :-)

I have been looking for a job for a few weeks, too. I just need to find the "right kind" of job.

So you're using the whole "since everyone else is jumping off the bridge you are going to too" mentality. That is EXACTLY what is wrong with this society. People feel that they have a inherent right to a certain lifestyle and that they DESERVE getting money from the government. You're not fucking the government. You are fucking people. The government will exist whether you do this or not. Because you are going to do this, taxes could go up, more jobs could be lost(big picture..not just because you are doing this) because companies cant afford taxes and many other problems could happen.

There are school loans out there and government assistance(look into your programs at fafsa.gov) which will help pay for your bills so you can focus on your studies. Plus later on the interest on the loans are a tax write off, so pretty much they are paying you to go to school.

As for the "right" kind of job. Very few people find it. But people need to survive so they suck it up and do the job. You need to get out of the I, Me, Mine mentality and focus on a bigger picture.

[DaveZeroZero]

Aha see that makes sense I was wondering why you were debating about the American Crisis, but here it would go into the economy which is a bad thing.
Well, it was about bailing out the banks over here and I was saying "no, we shouldn't" and I just happened to mention that we could print more money haha

[hockeycoshow1]

Well, it was about bailing out the banks over here and I was saying "no, we shouldn't" and I just happened to mention that we could print more money haha
Lol well our government seems to have decided that the best idea is to screw common sense the ideas of capitalism and bailout them out, by buying shares in these companies.

[HelpMeSleep]

Haha, I live in a dorm. I don't pay any bills. The only things I truly need to buy are food and drink, plus the occasional school charge for whatever it happens to be.

Also, it amuses me that everyone instantly jumped to the conclusion that I'm a lazy ass who doesn't want a job since I'm applying for unemployment. And it's only because my situation doesn't fit the typical situations you have where people are applying for unemployment.
yes, I figured as much about the dorm. but I'm just saying, even if I had no bills, $69 a week would not support my shopping/spending habits.

[alice+interiors]

Thread poster should get a job and grow up.

[bung]

So you're using the whole "since everyone else is jumping off the bridge you are going to too" mentality. That is EXACTLY what is wrong with this society. People feel that they have a inherent right to a certain lifestyle and that they DESERVE getting money from the government. You're not fucking the government. You are fucking people. The government will exist whether you do this or not. Because you are going to do this, taxes could go up, more jobs could be lost(big picture..not just because you are doing this) because companies cant afford taxes and many other problems could happen.

There are school loans out there and government assistance(look into your programs at fafsa.gov) which will help pay for your bills so you can focus on your studies. Plus later on the interest on the loans are a tax write off, so pretty much they are paying you to go to school.

As for the "right" kind of job. Very few people find it. But people need to survive so they suck it up and do the job. You need to get out of the I, Me, Mine mentality and focus on a bigger picture.

Nah, I'm not really a part of that mentality, if I implied it. I was only saying that that is how it happens to work, how people use the system in practice. My reasons for choosing to use the system were described farther down in my post. (And obviously the government will continue to exist regardless of any action I take. I only wish this one specific system wouldn't exist. Quite the shame that it's a total pipe dream, though.)

I've looked into school loans and various forms of aid and all that, but the qualifications for meeting those are really not very good in my case. Plus I really don't want the burden of having to pay back loans.

As for me fucking people? No. The government is fucking me and people, bar none. I'm just getting my money back.

[DaveZeroZero]

Thread poster should get a job and grow up.
Yeah Matt, get a job and grow up already!

[bung]

You don't have a meal plan? I can see why you would want the money, but you don't really need it, unless you don't have a meal plan, so technically the government shouldn't give it to you but if you can convince them, more power to you I wouldn't mind getting 69 dollars a week for doing nothing.

I have a meal plan, but the cafeteria's not always open. Plus sometimes I get sick of that food or just want to go out for a bite, ya know?

My spending needs are so meager, really. $50 a week will more than cover any expenses of mine.

[JJJ]

i thought of "dennis and dee go on welfare" as soon as i seen this thread. good luck man.

exactly what I thought.


become a crack head

[hockeycoshow1]

I have a meal plan, but the cafeteria's not always open. Plus sometimes I get sick of that food or just want to go out for a bite, ya know?

My spending needs are so meager, really. $50 a week will more than cover any expenses of mine.
Ok that's fair go for it man, I don't know how successful you will be since technically you don't need it but more power to you getting money from the government.

[lrz2525]

Psh we will just have to print up more moneyz dur.
that would cause inflation

[DaveZeroZero]

that would cause inflation
You clearly missed the irony there.

[argg_xo]

exactly what I thought.


become a crack head

oooooooooooh baby, you! you got what i need! but you say i'm just a friennnnnddddddd! oh babbbbbyyyyyyyyy!

[hockeycoshow1]

that would cause inflation
I loled.

[sjb2k1]

Haha, I live in a dorm. I don't pay any bills. The only things I truly need to buy are food and drink, plus the occasional school charge for whatever it happens to be.

Also, it amuses me that everyone instantly jumped to the conclusion that I'm a lazy ass who doesn't want a job since I'm applying for unemployment. And it's only because my situation doesn't fit the typical situations you have where people are applying for unemployment.no, we jumped to that conclusion based on the way you worded your first post. "I have this plan," "Exactly how easy and how much of this free money can I suck out of the government?" and "Is this a bad idea?" all sound like you are trying to get away with something and be lazy, instead of just being a person who's fallen on hard times and needs the help.

[GetWellBoss]

As for me fucking people? No. The government is fucking me and people, bar none. I'm just getting my money back.

Once again that is the sense of entitlement that I talked about earlier. "Your" money is being used for other things too. Road repair, paying teachers, officers, hospitals and other government employees in which work hard to make sure we have the blessings and safety that this nation grants us. The government isn't taking money out of your check and hording it just so it could sit there. They are using it to better the place that we call home. Yes you can apply for unemployment. Yes you can even receive it even though you should be working instead. But by doing that you are being selfish and pretty much a waste to the productivity and the betterment of the society we live in. Do what you want. These are all opinions on here, some being more educated than others.

Personally I just strongly disagree with what you suggested on doing.

[bung]

no, we jumped to that conclusion based on the way you worded your first post. "I have this plan," "Exactly how easy and how much of this free money can I suck out of the government?" and "Is this a bad idea?" all sound like you are trying to get away with something and be lazy, instead of just being a person who's fallen on hard times and needs the help.

Haha! Fair enough. :-d

Once again that is the sense of entitlement that I talked about earlier. "Your" money is being used for other things too. Road repair, paying teachers, officers, hospitals and other government employees in which work hard to make sure we have the blessings and safety that this nation grants us. The government isn't taking money out of your check and hording it just so it could sit there. They are using it to better the place that we call home. Yes you can apply for unemployment. Yes you can even receive it even though you should be working instead. But by doing that you are being selfish and pretty much a waste to the productivity and the betterment of the society we live in. Do what you want. These are all opinions on here, some being more educated than others.

Personally I just strongly disagree with what you suggested on doing.

I'm fine with the government spending money on the things you mentioned, but not this one. I oppose most forms of social welfare. So I'm protesting by making use of the very system I speak out against! Ironic, no? ;-)

[alice+interiors]

Yeah Matt, get a job and grow up already!
I have a job and hairs are sprouting everywhere.

[HelpMeSleep]

that would cause inflation
lolz.

[DaveZeroZero]

I have a job and hairs are sprouting everywhere.
lawl

[GetWellBoss]

Haha! Fair enough. :-d



I'm fine with the government spending money on the things you mentioned, but not this one. I oppose most forms of social welfare. So I'm protesting by making use of the very system I speak out against! Ironic, no? ;-)

ironic? no. ignorant? yes.

look im actually conservative and i too oppose MOST forms of social welfare. I actually work for a county in AZ as a government employee. They are letting go 2500 people really soon this month most likely. While most likely I will not be one of them, if I show up tomorrow and they say, I'm sorry you can't work and I have a bunch of bills to pay...damn straight I'm going to use it. Because that is why it is there. Then I'm going to go and look for a new job. It's not so you can just get "free" money or using your new argument give a big f u to the system.

[bung]

No, you're wrong. It is ironic.

[GetWellBoss]

No, you're wrong. It is ironic.

not really. irony typically has to do with unexpected incidents or an outcome of events contrary to what might have been expected.

You are intentionally doing this, ignoring what the system is supposed to be used for. That, is ignorance. Not irony.

[DaveZeroZero]

not really. irony typically has to do with unexpected incidents or an outcome of events contrary to what might have been expected.

You are intentionally doing this, ignoring what the system is supposed to be used for. That, is ignorance. Not irony.
My watch is a Swatch Irony.

[GetWellBoss]

My watch is a Swatch Irony.

lol. i dont know why, but that made me laugh really hard.

[bung]

not really. irony typically has to do with unexpected incidents or an outcome of events contrary to what might have been expected.


Right. I protest a system. Since protest usually involves boycotting, non-use, or speaking out against doing/using something, it is therefore ironic that I am protesting by using the very system I protest against. It's irony.

[4N6 science]

This is called abusing the system. If you need money get a job plain and simple.

[m_rue]

Dumb plan. If you are able-bodied and can work you should just suck it up and do it. Yes the job will likely be tedious and mindless, but doing that is part of growing up. Do you really think you're just going to step fresh out of college and land your dream job immediately? Actually you might learn something from a "mindless" job since you don't seem to know much about life so far based on your posts.

[bung]

Dumb plan. If you are able-bodied and can work you should just suck it up and do it. Yes the job will likely be tedious and mindless, but doing that is part of growing up. Do you really think you're just going to step fresh out of college and land your dream job immediately? Actually you might learn something from a "mindless" job since you don't seem to know much about life so far based on your posts.

I know enough about life to know that tediousness and mindlessness are nothing to seek out.

[Fallinto_rhythm]

I have no problem or remorse in coming straight out and saying that you are a lazy piece of shit. People really need this "free" money you're tempting to claim.

[bung]

I have no problem or remorse in coming straight out and saying that you are a lazy piece of shit. People really need this "free" money you're tempting to claim.

But it's my money?

[Fallinto_rhythm]

But it's my money?

hahahaha you think that other lazy people like yourself haven't had similar attitudes?

[bung]

hahahaha you think that other lazy people like yourself haven't had similar attitudes?

I'm not lazy. I did have to work for it. And now I want it back.

[rob_mylo]

just get a job you lazy douche.
no one owes you anything.
mcdonalds is always hiring. go.

[love_american_style]

I'm on Unemployment right now and it sucks.

[bung]

I'm on Unemployment right now and it sucks.

Stop being lazy and get a job.