Say Anything

[catchmealone]

I'm probably gonna lose scene points for this, but my recommendation is to STAY AWAY from Say Anything.
I saw them with Recover/Armor for Sleep last night in St Louis, and I was absolutely shocked that people like that. Tons of kids were getting into it, and I was bored out of my skull. I would have rather been anywhere else. I thouroughly disliked them.
The music was decent, but I thought the singer/lyrics were just horrific.
Any thoughts?

[The Gray Ghost]

I'm sorry to hear you don't like them, but could you go into a little bit more detail as to why you don't like the lyrics?

[catchmealone]

The main thing I remember about the lyrics were from the Spider Song and from Yellow Cat/Red Cat. Spider Song was just freaking creepy and I don't understand it. "I'm growing legs, I'm the spider, crawl inside her"
Yellow Cat/Red Cat had an annoying chant at the end of "Yellow Cat/Red Cat" that never seemed to stop.

[apoemtothedead]

Let me guess, you loved Armor For Sleep.

[blankster07]

The main thing I remember about the lyrics were from the Spider Song and from Yellow Cat/Red Cat. Spider Song was just freaking creepy and I don't understand it. "I'm growing legs, I'm the spider, crawl inside her"
Yellow Cat/Red Cat had an annoying chant at the end of "Yellow Cat/Red Cat" that never seemed to stop.

I suggest you download the album from someone then judge. You are obviously misinformed that their lyrics are horrible. Say Anything wrote possibly the best lyrics of 2004.

[catchmealone]

Let me guess, you loved Armor For Sleep.

Yea, you don't like them? I think that Armor for Sleep's "Things to do when you are dead" blows "Say Anything ....is a real boy" out of the water. They are far more innovative in my opinion. If you boil it down, you can make the arguement that just about every "emo" band has written concept albums about growing up and not being "right".

[catchmealone]

I suggest you download the album from someone then judge. You are obviously misinformed that their lyrics are horrible. Say Anything wrote possibly the best lyrics of 2004.

I have the album, my friend gave me a copy. He loves them. I don't.
I've also read the lyrics. They are ok. I read them today after I posted all these things. I wouldn't say they are horrible anymore, but "Spidersong" has horrible lyrics. However, I don't think I would say they are the best of 2004. I'm also not a big fan of the songs, live or recorded. I think it's decent, but nothing special.

[apoemtothedead]

I think that Armor for Sleep's "Things to do when you are dead" blows "Say Anything ....is a real boy" out of the water.

You added more words than needed to that sentence. The actual sentence should read, "I think that Armor for Sleep's "Things to do when you are dead" blows."

You think that AFS has better lyrics that SayAnything? Comparison Test:

"Believe the news, I'm gone for good.
Call off the search, no one will know that im down here
Believe the note i left for you
You can't turn back the clocks, you can't pull me up from here so don't even try"

or

"You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other
Forever competing for that one moment of self-aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation
Oh, we’re not worthy"

kthxbye.

[catchmealone]

You added more words than needed to that sentence. The actual sentence should read, "I think that Armor for Sleep's "Things to do when you are dead" blows."

You think that AFS has better lyrics that SayAnything? Comparison Test:

kthxbye.

Alright, you can be rude about it, but bottom line is this. I'm simply stating my opinion. I've been very careful not to bash Say Anything fans, and I've been careful to make sure I always say IN MY OPINION, or I THINK. I'm not telling you what to think about the band, you can make that decision on your own, which you obviously already have. But don't come on here telling me what I should think and how I should feel about a band.
I find Say Anything's songs to be boring. I enjoy the concept of "What To Do When You're Dead", I think it's more original. I found it to be a better album than "Say Anything is a Real Boy".
You seem to disagree with me. I have no problem with that, GET OVER IT.

[Andy]

My recommendation is to STAY ON Say Anything.

[WakingTheMisery]

check your ears. i think you are deaf. the new armor cd is just terrible.

i wasn't into say anything when i first gave them a hear but his lyrics are quite catchy. not to mention their underlying meanings. i personally love the song about the holocaust. catchy and informative.

[Throwback]

Is a Real Boy was my Deja Entendu of 04. Its amazing from start to finish, and I hated Spidersong at first, but now I absolutely adore it. And trust me, SA's musicianship, live show, lyrics, everything else is superior to AFS. I love the new Armor CD but it cant touch IaRB.

[Blueskyburning]

check your ears. i think you are deaf. the new armor cd is just terrible.

i wasn't into say anything when i first gave them a hear but his lyrics are quite catchy. not to mention their underlying meanings. i personally love the song about the holocaust. catchy and informative.

I could say the same about the newest He Is Legend CD, but at the end of the day it's all opinion.

[punklet2101]

I like them.

On another note, this thread belongs in the trash talk forum

[Lueda Alia]

I don't like Say Anything.. at all.

[punkpixie]

Is a Real Boy was my Deja Entendu of 04.

Had I got this album when it came out that statement would have been true for me too.

[poppa Q]

i think the thing about say anything, it's either hit or miss at first listen. most hits are home runs, and for some people even grand slams. but for those who didn't enjoy it at first, they should give it a few more listens (as they should for every cd), but this especially because it will grow on you.

[Lueda Alia]

i think the thing about say anything, it's either hit or miss at first listen. most hits are home runs, and for some people even grand slams. but for those who didn't enjoy it at first, they should give it a few more listens (as they should for every cd), but this especially because it will grow on you.
I have listened to it more than once. I just don't like it.

[level4loser]

i dont know why you deuchebags flip out on the guy because he didnt like say anything. i enjoy say anything, but not as much as these rabid fans do. lets look at the facts:

Max is an incredible asshole.
as previously stated.... every emo band has written something similar to "...is a real boy."
admit it!!! is a good song, yes... but all it really is..... is just one man stating something about hipsters that everyone whos spent more than a year in the scene already knows.
the new armor for sleep cd is actually pretty good.
the locust is better than both.

so, shut everyone up on here, because its obvious most of you are idiots for calling out a guy who is calling out a decent band on a poor performance.

~tony

[poppa Q]

i dont know why you deuchebags flip out on the guy because he didnt like say anything. i enjoy say anything, but not as much as these rabid fans do. lets look at the facts:

Max is an incredible asshole.
as previously stated.... every emo band has written something similar to "...is a real boy."
admit it!!! is a good song, yes... but all it really is..... is just one man stating something about hipsters that everyone whos spent more than a year in the scene already knows.
the new armor for sleep cd is actually pretty good.
the locust is better than both.

so, shut everyone up on here, because its obvious most of you are idiots for calling out a guy who is calling out a decent band on a poor performance.

~tony

really, though. how big IS your dick?

[Lueda Alia]

You added more words than needed to that sentence. The actual sentence should read, "I think that Armor for Sleep's "Things to do when you are dead" blows."

You think that AFS has better lyrics that SayAnything? Comparison Test:

"Believe the news, I'm gone for good.
Call off the search, no one will know that im down here
Believe the note i left for you
You can't turn back the clocks, you can't pull me up from here so don't even try"

or

"You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other
Forever competing for that one moment of self-aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation
Oh, we’re not worthy"

kthxbye.

Um... people can't have opinions now?

Well.. I should make fun of you and start comparing Say Anything's lyrics to WAY BETTER lyrics from 2004.

[Lueda Alia]

I suggest you download the album from someone then judge. You are obviously misinformed that their lyrics are horrible. Say Anything wrote possibly the best lyrics of 2004.
I suggest you try to find other bands other than the ones that AP tells you about. And then read their lyrics...

[catchmealone]

i dont know why you deuchebags flip out on the guy because he didnt like say anything. i enjoy say anything, but not as much as these rabid fans do. lets look at the facts:

Max is an incredible asshole.
as previously stated.... every emo band has written something similar to "...is a real boy."
admit it!!! is a good song, yes... but all it really is..... is just one man stating something about hipsters that everyone whos spent more than a year in the scene already knows.
the new armor for sleep cd is actually pretty good.
the locust is better than both.

so, shut everyone up on here, because its obvious most of you are idiots for calling out a guy who is calling out a decent band on a poor performance.

~tony

Thank you! Finally someone who understands. I'm just voicing my opinion and asking what other people think, and I get treated like a piece of shit for it. Finally some people who understand not everyone likes everyband they are supposed to like.

[Dahstin]

i can't belive how ridiculus people in "the scene" are i think say anything sucks downright, they are slow and they don't have anything special to offer, thier vocals aren't very good either, just because tate thinks thier good doesn't mean they are! i think i'd rather listen to radiohead, or mars volta, or dream theator! those guys are way better! but just to satify all those who oppose my opinion, it is just that, my opinion!

[IcedOpethBlind]

It sucks how people always have to bring other bands into it just for the sake of bashing them. the threadstarter was just stating his opinion on Say Anything. The thread wasn't meant to be Armor For Sleep Vs. Say Anything. Thankfully it seems to have turned the corner on that though. Personally, I did like some stuff I heard from Say Anything's "Is A Real Boy"....however, I need to give the whole album more listens before passing a stronger judgement on them.

~Brian~

[Andy]

That boy's got woe.

[Signals Corrupted]

That boy's got woe.


haha kramer just told george his condom was defective. next time, he shouldnt say anything HAAAAAAR!

[Andy]

Hahaha.

In all seriousness, I am sponge-worthy.

[level4loser]

really, though. how big IS your dick?

i dunno, i tried measuring but when you cant find a ruler so you instead decide to use wasabi knives....

well, i dont think i need to say anything else about that one.

[poppa Q]

i dunno, i tried measuring but when you cant find a ruler so you instead decide to use wasabi knives....

well, i dont think i need to say anything else about that one.
hahahaha

[Signals Corrupted]

yes! i created a fad of using say anything in context haha

[skYcriesforme]

yes! i created a fad of using say anything in context haha

Impressive you started a brand new fad and you barely had to say anything at all.

[EnderDove]

Um...fuck that fad you two are playing around with. Shoot me or hang me but this band doesnt appeal to me at all. I like a couple songs but other than that, nothing. I saw them live and wasnt impressed, Max looked like a retarded kid stomping around on stage. Some may think it was cool, I think he just looked stupid...but I do like his voice. Anyways......um......I seem to be one of the only people who dont like them and I have no problem with that at all. But I have no problem with people liking them, just not my cup of tea at all.

[catchmealone]

Um...fuck that fad you two are playing around with. Shoot me or hang me but this band doesnt appeal to me at all. I like a couple songs but other than that, nothing. I saw them live and wasnt impressed, Max looked like a retarded kid stomping around on stage. Some may think it was cool, I think he just looked stupid...but I do like his voice. Anyways......um......I seem to be one of the only people who dont like them and I have no problem with that at all. But I have no problem with people liking them, just not my cup of tea at all.

Beware, I said the same thing and my scene points are now gone. Not that that's important, but people don't look kindly on you if you don't like what they want you to like.

Doesn't Max look like Jerry O'Connell?

[skYcriesforme]

I think it's cool if you don't want to like SA. I enjoy them, especially their old music. A Walk Through Hell, Try To Remember Forget, and Signal the Rifleman are 3 incredible songs. Is a Real boy is great too.

I dislike his voice but I think his lyrics are brilliant and humorous and the music is awesome. I also agree that his live show is a little much with the weird head bangs and awkward stomping, however he sounds good and that's all I care about (plus he's definately not an asshole to whoever said that.. he has an anxiety disorder so he is so shy and seems unfriendly but he's SUCH a nice guy).

[Signals Corrupted]

Doesn't Max look like Jerry O'Connell?


whaaaaaat? no not even close. maybe when jerry was chubby.. but yeah. i wouldnt say he looks anything like him

[Andy]

I saw them live and wasnt impressed, Max looked like a retarded kid stomping around on stage.
You shouldn't say anything disrespectful like that.

[Signals Corrupted]

Um...fuck that fad you two are playing around with. Shoot me or hang me but this band doesnt appeal to me at all. I like a couple songs but other than that, nothing. I saw them live and wasnt impressed, Max looked like a retarded kid stomping around on stage. Some may think it was cool, I think he just looked stupid...but I do like his voice. Anyways......um......I seem to be one of the only people who dont like them and I have no problem with that at all. But I have no problem with people liking them, just not my cup of tea at all.


thats a hell of a thing to say.... anything else you'd like to add?

[Andy]

I think I'll just say anything that comes into my mind...

I WANT CHOCOLATE MILK! NOW!

[LilRyan732]

as previously stated.... every emo band has written something similar to "...is a real boy."


I can't agree with that statement. Name some emo bands that have written something to Say Anything.

They are crazy original, I have never heard anything like it. Granted, the old album "Baseball" was boring and easily forgettable, but Is A Real Boy is truly one of the best albums of 2004.

How many people have tried to break down the lyrics instead of reading over them?

[level4loser]

I can't agree with that statement. Name some emo bands that have written something to Say Anything.

They are crazy original, I have never heard anything like it.

the following bands have better lyrics than say anything or have written a better LYRICAL album than ...is a real boy

the blood brothers- burn piano island burn... . "ambulance vs. ambulance" is better than anything max could ever come up with
the mars volta- anything the volta has touched has ripped say anything a new asshole.
against me!- reinventing axl rose... "Those Anarcho Punx Are Mysterious" and "Pints Of Guiness Make You Strong" are so much better than the max himself.
refused- refused puts these snobby little pricks in their place

now i know what youre gonna say.... those arent "emo" bands.... so ill beat you in your own element.

thursday- "war all the time" and "full collapse" both better musically and lyrically
jawbreaker- pretty much anything jawbreaker wrote is better than you.
the promise ring- same as above
jets to brazil
christie front drive
slowdown virginia- the singer went on to write and sing for some band named cursive, which reminds me....
cursive
the good life
bright eyes- if you think max is better than conor in any way, you are wrong
elliott smith- he rocks your face, but im sure youve never heard of him
death cab/ DNTL/ the postal service/ kind of like spitting

and if youve never heard anything like say anything..... i would suggest some things to expand youre musical mind.... refused, at the drive in, fugazi, black flag, minor threat, the mars volta, john coltrane, miles davis, eyedea and abilities, sage francis, the lawrence arms......

but if you think say anything is that original, then you'd probably suffer a bladder explosion upon hearing any of said bands.

~tony

[reav]

it's a matter of opinion if they have better lyrics or not.

I do love most of the bands you mentioned, but I still think that Say Anything's lyrics appeal to me the most, except for maybe Cursive.

But I totally don't see the comparison to either Thursday or Refused, when the lyrical style is a different one. There's worlds between those bands.

Why not add Saosin in there, too, for good measure? I mean, they have lyrics about "ion change" and "perching on stilts". Ain't that awesome?

[Dahstin]

i can't belive how ridiculus people in "the scene" are i think say anything sucks downright, they are slow and they don't have anything special to offer, thier vocals aren't very good either, just because tate thinks thier good doesn't mean they are! i think i'd rather listen to radiohead, or mars volta, or dream theator! those guys are way better! but just to satify all those who oppose my opinion, it is just that, my opinion!


haha i now have negative scene points for saying that, lol you guys are so funny, o no i dont have any scene points now aht am i gonna do? i guess i'll go find a corner and cry.

[Dahstin]

i'll be carefull cause iff i say anything i might get more negitive scene points, but ya say anything is defenatly original, so origianl that they couldn't think of a name so they took one from a movie!

[WakingTheMisery]

actually the movie stole it from the band... do some more research next time....

[Dahstin]

actually the movie stole it from the band... do some more research next time....

hmm thats funy the movie came out in 1989, and when did say anything become a band?
if you know so much then wheres some prove that the movie stole it from the band?
so i just shoved it it your face now take it like a cum queen!

[blankster07]

I think he was being... sarcastic? Just an idea of mine.

[blankster07]

I suggest you try to find other bands other than the ones that AP tells you about. And then read their lyrics...

Wow. Hum. Hum. I've been listening to Say Anything way before they were even mentioned by AP... try that for size.

[Signals Corrupted]

"say anything" isnt very original for a movie or a band name.. so that duuhstin fellow should shut the fuck up and not say anything more.

[WakingTheMisery]

hahahahahaha.... rediculous....

[Lueda Alia]

Wow. Hum. Hum. I've been listening to Say Anything way before they were even mentioned by AP... try that for size.
big deal? you still need to listen to bands with better lyrics either way. cause say anything surely doesn't have the best lyrics of 2004.

[blankster07]

Give me an example of better lyrics.

[level4loser]

Give me an example of better lyrics.

say anything "i cant get laid in this town, without these pointy fucking shoes, my feet are so black and blue..."

the blood brothers "ambulance x scourse the tanning complex, for rapunzels rotting in their skin cooking coffins..."

id say the latter...but lets do another one just for fun.

say anything: "because for you i wont ever have rough sex with molly connally again"

against me!: "and we rock... because its us against them, we found our own reasons to sing, and its so much less confusing when lines are drawn like that, when people are either consumers or revolutionaries"

one more? k. this one has three in it

say anything: "when i watch you, wanna do you, right where youre standing"

bright eyes: " and men with purple hearts carry sliver guns, and they'll kill a man for what his father has done, but what my father did, it dont mean shit... im not him"

cursive: " if at first you dont, you dont succeed, you must re-create your misery, because we all know art is hard if you dont know who you are"


i think the record speaks for itself.

[blankster07]

say anything "i cant get laid in this town, without these pointy fucking shoes, my feet are so black and blue..."

the blood brothers "ambulance x scourse the tanning complex, for rapunzels rotting in their skin cooking coffins..."

id say the latter...but lets do another one just for fun.

say anything: "because for you i wont ever have rough sex with molly connally again"

against me!: "and we rock... because its us against them, we found our own reasons to sing, and its so much less confusing when lines are drawn like that, when people are either consumers or revolutionaries"

one more? k. this one has three in it

say anything: "when i watch you, wanna do you, right where youre standing"

bright eyes: " and men with purple hearts carry sliver guns, and they'll kill a man for what his father has done, but what my father did, it dont mean shit... im not him"

cursive: " if at first you dont, you dont succeed, you must re-create your misery, because we all know art is hard if you dont know who you are"


i think the record speaks for itself.

Ok... first of all... I said best lyrics of 2004. Neither Against Me! nor Cursive released stuff this year. Also you picked the more generic lines from the Say Anything songs.

[level4loser]

Give me an example of better lyrics.

im pretty sure whats said above is what you challenged me on.

and i made you look stupid.

[Signals Corrupted]

im pretty sure whats said above is what you challenged me on.

and i made you look stupid.


lol its true

[blankster07]

im pretty sure whats said above is what you challenged me on.

and i made you look stupid.

First of all I did not challenge you, I challenged MorningStar x0x. If you read his post, he says,

"big deal? you still need to listen to bands with better lyrics either way. cause say anything surely doesn't have the best lyrics of 2004."

I asked him to give me an example of better lyrics from 2004. Not you. But when you did reply, you replied with lyrics from "stuff" not released in 2004. I never said Say Anything has the best lyrics in the world, that would be retarted - for the lack of a better word. Not only did you reply with lyrics from past years, but you also used unworthy Say Anything lyrics. What about these lyrics?

"You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation "

"All the words in my mouth that the scene deemed unworthy of letting out banded together
To form a makeshift militia and burrowed bloodily through my tongue and my teeth.
I stood proud in the gallery with my open socket of a mouth for them to see."

"Lou is bugged and shot up with drugs. He sweats this bird he hardly knows. All that he wants is to see someone he respects without their clothes so like some hybrid mother/lover she’d soothe and heal his wounds and kiss those dying ears so softly that the reaper stops to swoon."

I'm not here to start a fight, I just want to know what band from 04 can top these lyrics.

[level4loser]

Not only did you reply with lyrics from past years, but you also used unworthy Say Anything lyrics. What about these lyrics?

"You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation "

"All the words in my mouth that the scene deemed unworthy of letting out banded together
To form a makeshift militia and burrowed bloodily through my tongue and my teeth.
I stood proud in the gallery with my open socket of a mouth for them to see."

"Lou is bugged and shot up with drugs. He sweats this bird he hardly knows. All that he wants is to see someone he respects without their clothes so like some hybrid mother/lover she’d soothe and heal his wounds and kiss those dying ears so softly that the reaper stops to swoon."

I'm not here to start a fight, I just want to know what band from 04 can top these lyrics.

elliott smith- "twilight"
tv on the radio- "staring at the sun"
wilco- "ghost is born" (entire album)
subtle- "F.K.O"
modest mouse- "bukowski" (thought thats unfair, all their lyrics wipe the floor with say anything)
john frusciante- "omission"
blood brothers- "crimes" (full album)
circle takes the square- "as the roots undo" (full album)

those are just who i personally think wrote better lyrics than say anything in 2004

[Bishop]

elliott smith- "twilight"
tv on the radio- "staring at the sun"
wilco- "ghost is born" (entire album)
subtle- "F.K.O"
modest mouse- "bukowski" (thought thats unfair, all their lyrics wipe the floor with say anything)
john frusciante- "omission"
blood brothers- "crimes" (full album)
circle takes the square- "as the roots undo" (full album)

those are just who i personally think wrote better lyrics than say anything in 2004

Don't forget Interpol.

[Throwback]

In my opinion, the reason why I think SA had the best lyrics of 04 is because I 'identified' (so lame, I know) with everything Bemis said. Woe is perfect lyrically in my opinion (that whole end verse is amazing) and the mix of lust and tender love in 'Alive...' is just so awesome.

I don't know. I love this band. Not because of Tate. I hated Belt the first time I heard it, but because I realized how this guy was everything I liked. A real sarcastic asshole who knows he's good, but is also extremely insecure and I liked that about them.

Its lame, I guess, but I love them.

[catchmealone]

this guy was everything I liked. A real sarcastic asshole who knows he's good

Being stuck up your own ass does not appeal to me, I enjoy artists who are humble.

[Throwback]

Being stuck up your own ass does not appeal to me, I enjoy artists who are humble.

Yes, but you missed the other part. Hes insanely insecure. He's both, and from what I've heard he's pretty down to earth at shows.

[Signals Corrupted]

Yes, but you missed the other part. Hes insanely insecure. He's both, and from what I've heard he's pretty down to earth at shows.


max bemis wouldnt even shake my hand lol. it was funny

[EnderDove]

I dont like Say Anything as previously stated...but when I saw him live he seemed to be happy and interacted with myself and the people in the front row. He seemed like a pretty nice and normal guy, but I didnt talk to him or anything.

[catchmealone]

Yes, but you missed the other part. Hes insanely insecure. He's both, and from what I've heard he's pretty down to earth at shows.
So let me get this straight. He knows how good he is(i.e.-full of himself, not modest at all) yet he's down to earth?
I don't claim to know it all, but I just don't get that one at all.

[apoemtothedead]

It makes sense to me. He knows he is better than his fans, but still takes time to talk to them. It's not that hard to understand.

[Dahstin]

"say anything" isnt very original for a movie or a band name.. so that duuhstin fellow should shut the fuck up and not say anything more.

why would i shut up? i'm trying to recive more negative scene points, are you really going to deprive me of that?

[Signals Corrupted]

why would i shut up? i'm trying to recive more negative scene points, are you really going to deprive me of that?


no i was just attempting to use say anything in context cos it rules.

[catchmealone]

It makes sense to me. He knows he is better than his fans, but still takes time to talk to them. It's not that hard to understand.
No, nobody is better than me, and I am better than nobody. We are ALL equal. Just because he writes music you like does not make him better than you or I.

[apoemtothedead]

We're not all equal, you commie.

[catchmealone]

We're not all equal, you commie.
Yea, I kinda am a commie. I think Communism is a wonderful thing, along with anarchsm. However, I aknowledge that neither work in our world, because of the element of human greed. So calling me a commie isn't too far from the truth.
I do think we are all equal. Guess what, that guy takes shits, he bleeds, he needs air and food to survive, just like me. Is he a better musician than I am? You bet he is. Does that make him better than myself? Nope, not on the grand scale of things.

[apoemtothedead]

Yea, I kinda am a commie. I think Communism is a wonderful thing, along with anarchsm. However, I aknowledge that neither work in our world, because of the element of human greed. So calling me a commie isn't too far from the truth.
I do think we are all equal. Guess what, that guy takes shits, he bleeds, he needs air and food to survive, just like me. Is he a better musician than I am? You bet he is. Does that make him better than myself? Nope, not on the grand scale of things.

You left out the main difference between Max and you. People give a shit about him.

[catchmealone]

You left out the main difference between Max and you. People give a shit about him.
And kids in the scene caring about him magically makes him a better person than you, or I, or anyone else? Have "rock stars" really become that big of a deal to our society? I mean, I know the MTV, People Magazine, Seventeen Magazine crowd drools over which dress JLo will be wearing next, but I really didn't think this scene acted that way. I could care less about that type of stuff. They are more famous than I am, yes, but why does that make them better? Should I admire them because they can write catchy songs? Should I admire them because they are doing something for a living that, at this point, I only dream about? Or should I admire someone like my father, or Martin Luther King, Jr?
Does this guy actually mean that much to you, that you place him on such a high pedestal?
If you think he's better than you, that's fine by me. But he is in no way better than me. I am in no way better than him. We are humans, both he and I are mortal.

[apoemtothedead]

Should I admire them because they can write catchy songs?

Yes, you rat bastard communist.

...oh and in case anyone missed it, this is sarcasm.

...well not the rat bastard communist part, thats not sarcasm

[catchmealone]

Yes, you rat bastard communist.

...oh and in case anyone missed it, this is sarcasm.

...well not the rat bastard communist part, thats not sarcasm
So if it's sarcasm, why do you admire them so much? Why are they so high up on your pedestal?

[apoemtothedead]

So if it's sarcasm, why do you admire them so much? Why are they so high up on your pedestal?

Because they write good, intelligent music.

[catchmealone]

This is rediculous, I'm not even gonna waste anymore of my night on this

[Dahstin]

wow i have a lot of negative scene points! thats so awesome......hmm i wnader if you can give yourself negative scene points? hmmm..........

[blankster07]

Yea, I kinda am a commie. I think Communism is a wonderful thing, along with anarchsm. However, I aknowledge that neither work in our world, because of the element of human greed. So calling me a commie isn't too far from the truth.
I do think we are all equal. Guess what, that guy takes shits, he bleeds, he needs air and food to survive, just like me. Is he a better musician than I am? You bet he is. Does that make him better than myself? Nope, not on the grand scale of things.

Please, please, please don't say anything like this again in your life. You sound incredibly unintelligent.

[blankster07]

wow i have a lot of negative scene points! thats so awesome......hmm i wnader if you can give yourself negative scene points? hmmm..........

Me too! I personally think scene points are moronic.

[savestheday]

I like Say Anything, but I've seen them live and I have to admit I wasn't so impressed. As for the lyrics, I think they're very overrated. Their fans think Max Bemis is GOD or something and never stop raving about how wonderful his lyrics are. Sorry, but I've read much better lyrics. Yes, they're good, but they're not FANTASTIC.

[mondeoman]

I love this band. Driving 6 hours to see them in 2 weeks. I love being an adult.

[catchmealone]

Please, please, please don't say anything like this again in your life. You sound incredibly unintelligent.
Sorry, I didn't mean anarchism and communism together would work, I meant that as seperate forms of "government", both have advantages. I think Communism is a good concept, and I think Anarchsm is a good concept. I didn't mean to make it sound like a combination would be a good thing, because that makes no sense at all.

[Signals Corrupted]

Please, please, please don't say anything like this again in your life. You sound incredibly unintelligent.


good job!

[reav]

I think we can all decide for ourselves if we like say anything or not.

:>

[poppa Q]

I think we can all decide for ourselves if we like say anything or not.

:>

agreed, and i do.

[Dahstin]

Me too! I personally think scene points are moronic.


i would give you scene points for saying that, but that would kind of defeat the purpose.

[sunpoison]

And kids in the scene caring about him magically makes him a better person than you, or I, or anyone else? Have "rock stars" really become that big of a deal to our society? I mean, I know the MTV, People Magazine, Seventeen Magazine crowd drools over which dress JLo will be wearing next, but I really didn't think this scene acted that way. I could care less about that type of stuff. They are more famous than I am, yes, but why does that make them better? Should I admire them because they can write catchy songs? Should I admire them because they are doing something for a living that, at this point, I only dream about? Or should I admire someone like my father, or Martin Luther King, Jr?
Does this guy actually mean that much to you, that you place him on such a high pedestal?
If you think he's better than you, that's fine by me. But he is in no way better than me. I am in no way better than him. We are humans, both he and I are mortal.

If you wrote good lyrics, and were in a good band that's pretty well-known, then you would be a big deal. You're not a bad person in the sense that you are inferior to Max Bemis (you're just crazy, because you hate Say Anything.) Max Bemis is better than you because he can write better songs than you can. But you're probably - maybe - better than Max Bemis in some aspects. In any case, you're probably better looking. You're not inferior to Max Bemis because he's a better person. You're inferior to Max Bemis because people care more about him than you. You're inferior to him because you can never hope to be anywhere near where he is.

Oh, and I don't get how the whole MTV, People Magazine thing fits in at all. Are you comparing Max Bemis's songwriting skills to Jennifer Lopez's next dress? Because that's just wrong.

Should I admire them because they can write catchy songs? Should I admire them because they are doing something for a living that, at this point, I only dream about?

How do I put this? Yes.

I could care less about that type of stuff.

You couldn't care less. When are people going to get this right?

[catchmealone]

If you wrote good lyrics, and were in a good band that's pretty well-known, then you would be a big deal. You're not a bad person in the sense that you are inferior to Max Bemis (you're just crazy, because you hate Say Anything.) Max Bemis is better than you because he can write better songs than you can. But you're probably - maybe - better than Max Bemis in some aspects. In any case, you're probably better looking. You're not inferior to Max Bemis because he's a better person. You're inferior to Max Bemis because people care more about him than you. You're inferior to him because you can never hope to be anywhere near where he is.

Oh, and I don't get how the whole MTV, People Magazine thing fits in at all. Are you comparing Max Bemis's songwriting skills to Jennifer Lopez's next dress? Because that's just wrong.


1-I stand by my statement that Max Bemis is NOT a better person than I am simply because he's in a popular band. He is not furthering society in any way by what he is doing. In fact, from what I have heard, he has a serious drug problem and been in and out of rehab. I stand by my statement that we are all equal.

2-I was simply saying that we looked up to "rock stars" so much because they write lyrics we like, which is similiar to how people in the pop music genre will care so much about JLo's dress. Maybe a little far fetched of an example, but what I'm saying is it's ok to like Max Bemis' lyrics, or to like JLo's dress, but to look at them as being better than someone just because of that fact is rediculous.

3-I apologize, I could NOT care less.

[apoemtothedead]

I just saw them live, and yes they own your face.

[lovenotwar_rx]

This just goes to show people will say anything about absolutely nothing. This thread started out as an opinion about Say Anything and now we've got someone talking about Communism and Anarchy. Yea, people should be able to say anything they want in a thread but if it's not relevant, you just look more like an idiot rather than an intelligent person. Oh and by the way, Say Anything is my breakfast, lunch and dinner and I'm damn proud of it. Yessssssss!

[Lueda Alia]

First of all I did not challenge you, I challenged MorningStar x0x. If you read his post, he says,

"big deal? you still need to listen to bands with better lyrics either way. cause say anything surely doesn't have the best lyrics of 2004."

I asked him to give me an example of better lyrics from 2004. Not you. But when you did reply, you replied with lyrics from "stuff" not released in 2004. I never said Say Anything has the best lyrics in the world, that would be retarted - for the lack of a better word. Not only did you reply with lyrics from past years, but you also used unworthy Say Anything lyrics. What about these lyrics?

"You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation "

"All the words in my mouth that the scene deemed unworthy of letting out banded together
To form a makeshift militia and burrowed bloodily through my tongue and my teeth.
I stood proud in the gallery with my open socket of a mouth for them to see."

"Lou is bugged and shot up with drugs. He sweats this bird he hardly knows. All that he wants is to see someone he respects without their clothes so like some hybrid mother/lover she’d soothe and heal his wounds and kiss those dying ears so softly that the reaper stops to swoon."

I'm not here to start a fight, I just want to know what band from 04 can top these lyrics.
I'm a she.

and Tony mentioned some of the better lyrics of 2004, but some of my favourites:

album of the year ~ the good life
from a basement on the hill ~ elliott smith
shake the sheets ~ ted leo
set yourself on fire ~ stars
violence in the snowy fields ~ dolorean
e before i ~ carissa's wierd
trial of the century ~ french kicks

there's plenty, really. say anything doesn't have the best lyrics around. you just have to check out other bands and give them a chance, too. and as I said above.. I'm not talking about bands that are hyped here on ap. cause lets face it, most bands that are popular on this website have the most cliche lyrics, and they all sound the same. at least to me they do anyway.

[Signals Corrupted]

This just goes to show people will say anything about absolutely nothing. This thread started out as an opinion about Say Anything and now we've got someone talking about Communism and Anarchy. Yea, people should be able to say anything they want in a thread but if it's not relevant, you just look more like an idiot rather than an intelligent person. Oh and by the way, Say Anything is my breakfast, lunch and dinner and I'm damn proud of it. Yessssssss!


lol you win hahaha

[catchmealone]

I just saw them live, and yes they own your face.
I really hate it when people tell me what I think about bands

[apoemtothedead]

I really hate it when people tell me what I think about bands

Well someone's a little vain. I, in no way, addressed that towards you.

[catchmealone]

Well it was addressed to no one, and it said "they own your face", so I took it that you mean "your" as telling everyone. I am a part of everyone, and I hate it when people tell me how I should feel about a band

[lovenotwar_rx]

lol you win hahaha
Damn right I do. lol

[WakingTheMisery]

Well it was addressed to no one, and it said "they own your face", so I took it that you mean "your" as telling everyone. I am a part of everyone, and I hate it when people tell me how I should feel about a band
you will love aaron carter!!!

[catchmealone]

you will love aaron carter!!!
Now that's just rediculous. Who DOESN'T love Aaron Carter? I mean, come on, that man.....er, kid is all about the parties!

[apoemtothedead]

Now that's just rediculous. Who DOESN'T love Aaron Carter? I mean, come on, that man.....er, kid is all about the parties!

Who cares if he's all about the parties? He is no better than you or me.

[catchmealone]

That really makes no sense, I never said he was better than you or me. Now you are just trying to start shit again

[apoemtothedead]

No, you're just a hypocrite.

[catchmealone]

No, you're just a hypocrite.
Please, explain how?

[apoemtothedead]

Please, explain how?

I say Max Bemis is a good lyricist and you say that it doesn't make him better than either of us...but Aaron Carter and his thug life is a different story.

[catchmealone]

It makes sense to me. He knows he is better than his fans, but still takes time to talk to them. It's not that hard to understand.

Actually, you said Max Bemis is "better than his fans". I simply said I love Aaron Carter because he loves to party. It's one thing to love a band for writing good lyrics and catchy music, it's a different thing to say they are better than other people for the same reason. Those are completely different

[apoemtothedead]

He is better than his fans.

[catchmealone]

Oh, and in case you didn't catch it, I was being SARCASTIC when I said I loved Aaron Carter

[catchmealone]

He is better than his fans.
Yes, we've fought about this already, we must agree to disagree.
I was simply pointing out that you keep picking on me and it's getting rediculous. I never once said Aaron Carter is better than anyone. I simply said I loved Aaron Carter because he's all about partying, and as stated above, this was a sarcastic statement(because I do not love Aaron Carter).
Therefore, I still do not understand why I would be a "hypocrite", as you called me one

[apoemtothedead]

Aaron's parties do not contribute to society, while Max's lyrics do.

[catchmealone]

Aaron's parties do not contribute to society, while Max's lyrics do.
Right, ok, sure

[sunpoison]

Right, ok, sure

Wait...that seriously doesn't hold true for you?

Whoa. You're further gone than I thought.

[catchmealone]

Wait...that seriously doesn't hold true for you?

Whoa. You're further gone than I thought.
What? I don't follow

[sunpoison]

What? I don't follow

You honestly think that Max Bemis' lyrics contribute no more to society than Aaron Carter's parties do?

[catchmealone]

Heck no
Aaron Carter's parties=good food, cute underage girls, some sort of kool aid, and a pool(surely in some bitchin rad design like a guitar). And if we are lucky, and mom's gone, brother Nick might score us a 6 pack of BEER!
Max Bemis' lyrics=words. blah blah blah

[Fullcollapse3k]

Until about a week ago I would've agreed with you, I couldn't get into this band at all.

I like them now, but some of their stuff still really doesn't click with me. I can really see why some people wouldn't be into these guys.