The Early November Drama

[Jonathan Lally]

I'm not taking sides, I just found this (http://www.livejournal.com/community/tenfans/80898.html) hysterical (and the comments which followed in response.)

[greyxmundos]

i think ace is a pimp.

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check these guys out.

[QTheDangerMusic]

holy shit...i have so much respect for this band now hahaha

[Ryan Mills]

I'm not sure what he would have to be so stuck up about...because The Early November.....nah.

[macius]

What succesful(sp?) indie band who's majority of fans are 15 year old girls hasnt had this dilema?
It's nothing new, sometimes people just get fed up with people and are assholes.
We've had the same thing with Jesse from BN, Pete from FOB, Adam/John, whoever else.
I feel sorry for the girl though.

[MisterJefferson]

i call complete bullshit on that entire post. there's no way any respectable person in their right mind would make fun of a girl because she's fifteen. i mean why would they? look at all the money these bands are getting from these kids' parents.

[projectmayhem16]

yeah no matter how annoying a little adolescent fan is you should still treat anyone who admires you with a certain degree of respect, I have never met the guy and you can say "oh well he may have had a bad day" but still you have to remember without the fans you have nothing, these people go to your shows, buy your merchandise, know all the words to your songs and hold them dear, not to mention give you enough money to eat and stay afloat. If you can't treat someone who adores you with that same level of respect then thats pathetic, jesus its not like either of your bands are of the caliber of the fucking Beatles, get a grip.

[SmashUrGuitars]

i've chilled with ace, don't let this chick fool you, hes a good and down to earth guy. I think the mtv kids might just expect their favorite bands to want to hang out with them and play fucking musical chairs after a long and tiring show. Fuck that bitch, i think shes the stuck up one.

[MrChainsaw389]

I've heard before that the band was cool but ace was an asshole. I've never met them so I wouldn't know.

[I am all talk]

so, they took about a million pictures from the front row, and 20 more with ace. Don't be a douche. How many pictures do you need with the man.

[YourLatestVicti]

They said he took twenty pictures with them, man, to me that seems like he's a real ass. I mean only 20 pictures, who the fuck needs that many pictures with one person. Seriously, I met Jesse Lacey, got a single pic and was plenty happy. These people expect their favorite bands to bend over backwards for them, they are people give them a break.

[Samuel]

when i met Ace he was effin cool..not a complaint about him

u gotta think..maybe he was having a bad night? no?

[oxfordqueef]

They said he took twenty pictures with them, man, to me that seems like he's a real ass...

good point. he made a joke, i dont see what the big deal is.

[The Silencer]

When I met Ace, he was nothing but nice and glad that I said they played a great set. He was even honored that I asked him to sign their shirt I bought, so this girl can suck a nut or three :animateds

[Emoknight]

That is the stupidest shit ever, and the funniest shit ever too..man what did that person expect.. she meet ace.. and they get married or something.. she 15.. what do you want ACE to do..

if he seem mean its probably because he under alot of stress or something..

[Greg]

well when i met him he was in the way back of the van. i think he just woke up so he didnt say much. in fact he said nothing. but me and my friend talked to joe and serg. they were fucking cool. then a half hour later we saw serg on a street corner lighting a cig and he recongized us and said he hoped we would enjoy the show.

[March_Faster!!]

Just because he didn't kiss her little ass doesn't make him a dick. He probably just didn't pay as much attention to her as she would've liked so now she's bad-mouthing him. Ace is the man.

[falloutdrea19]

hahahahah ooooh good ole LJ drama...

[Signals Corrupted]

hes a dreamboat? who says dreamboat anymore?

[LostInTheCrowd]

If you idolize anyone in the Early November you deserve to be insulted.

[skaught]

love the drama icon.

[Hey Mr. Destiny]

Maybe Ace doesn't like girls whose 23 year old sister spends every waking hour complaining on Livejournal.

[Jake Wallace]

i've always thought ace was kind of a dick, the other 3 are awesome people though.

[dekdog11]

that girl can lick one
ace is awesome and was nice when i saw him
little screaming girls need to go suck adam lazzaras cock or something

[oddhowweshake]

OmG...OmG, AcE iS sOoO SeXxXy

[splitsecond]

You know we arent getting the whole story... here is how I see it:


"15 year old" looks older than 15. She is dressed provocatively as all scene girls do now, and you cant tell her from a 21 year old. She comes up to Ace, flirts, etc. Then she drops the bomb: "I'm 15.... teeheehee".... Ace is not impressed, and does not want to go to jail, so makes a comment about being "able to drive" to illustrate that he aint touchin that triflin' bitch.

[EnderDove]

Here is how I see it all.....

Ace and the rest of TEN im sure have been very nice to all of their young fans around the age of 15 before, maybe Ace was an "asshole" to this girl, big deal. These bands are only HUMAN, they have bad days and believe it or not they do get sick of being buddy buddy with little teen boppers after every single show. It happens, get over it. Was anyone in the wrong here...yes, the stupid girls who are complaining about Ace being an asshole are in the wrong. Yes TEN should have respect for all of their fans and im sure that they do, this incident just shows that people need to let bands breathe and not fucking rush them for pictures and to talk to them. Is Ace an asshole.....I doubt it. Do stupid young fans at shows expect too much out of bands, YES.

[LostInTheCrowd]

You know we arent getting the whole story... here is how I see it:


"15 year old" looks older than 15. She is dressed provocatively as all scene girls do now, and you cant tell her from a 21 year old. She comes up to Ace, flirts, etc. Then she drops the bomb: "I'm 15.... teeheehee".... Ace is not impressed, and does not want to go to jail, so makes a comment about being "able to drive" to illustrate that he aint touchin that triflin' bitch.

Or he's an egocentric dick who makes mediocre (at best) music.

[Signals Corrupted]

who HASNT been an ass to an annoying 15 year old girl?

[jetpackbologna]

I don't even like TEN and I respect Ace for doing. I'd probably do the exact same thing. He's a human being, treat him like one. I'd get pissed too if every 15 year-old I met talked up to me.

[jetpackbologna]

I don't even like TEN and I respect Ace for doing this. I'd probably do the exact same thing. He's a human being, treat him like one. I'd get pissed too if every 15 year-old I met talked up to me.

[LostInTheCrowd]

who HASNT been an ass to an annoying 15 year old girl?

I know I have, but I strongly dislike this band so I hope he's a dick.

[YearsGoneBy]

i like jeff...he's the only one ive met. he's niceas hell

[akster]

i've chilled with ace, don't let this chick fool you, hes a good and down to earth guy. I think the mtv kids might just expect their favorite bands to want to hang out with them and play fucking musical chairs after a long and tiring show. Fuck that bitch, i think shes the stuck up one.

lol yes.

[CreepyManHug]

lmfao.

One of my favorite bands, but I thought that whole thing was hysterical.

They probably hunted the poor guy down. 20 pictures? My face would be sore from a fake smile, and my eyes would hurt from all the flashing. I definitely wouldn't want to talk with anybody afterwards.

[+adamo/videos__]

a livejournal entry about ace being an asshole. cry emo girl, cry.

i find it hilarious. at the same time, i probably would've done the same thing if i were in aces position, avoided the damn fifteen year old.

but i doubt ace actually responded like that.

ace: well, maybe when you're old enough and not in diapers anymore, and you can actually do things, like drive. then MAYBE just MAYBE you can go somewhere with that.

yeah, okay.

[archamedes]

apparently people in bands cant have bad days or get anoyed.. its against the law.

[k3vc05ta]

You know we arent getting the whole story... here is how I see it:


"15 year old" looks older than 15. She is dressed provocatively as all scene girls do now, and you cant tell her from a 21 year old. She comes up to Ace, flirts, etc. Then she drops the bomb: "I'm 15.... teeheehee".... Ace is not impressed, and does not want to go to jail, so makes a comment about being "able to drive" to illustrate that he aint touchin that triflin' bitch.

thats exactly what i was thinking. maybe he got his hopes up and thought he was gonna score, then figured out it was just some jail bait and got pissed. if this is the case what he said wasnt enough

[weezer182]

who would drive 3 hours to a show without a ticket? that says it all about this girl, she is lucky to even get to see them play

[As Derrick Rust]

15 year old girls can provide some good loving.

[xacex]

People seem to think that not all 15 year old girls are like that. They are kidding themselves. I know how I was when I was 15.

If I was in a band, I'd hate any fans under the age of 18, I think.

[YourLatestVicti]

15 year old girls can provide some good loving.


Especially if you're 18, then it's a forbidden love.

[Signals Corrupted]

thats exactly what i was thinking. maybe he got his hopes up and thought he was gonna score, then figured out it was just some jail bait and got pissed. if this is the case what he said wasnt enough


i disagree. i think she must be nasty-lookin.

[ForeverInADay]

hahahahahaha that is the greatest livejournal post I have EVER seen. It was sooo mean and disrespectful, yet hilarious to read, as it happened to someone I don't know

[saintjoel]

this is a ridiculous, unnecessary news post

[noles05]

i like jeff...he's the only one ive met. he's niceas hell
How nice is hell? i never knew hell was nice.

[projectmayhem16]

in other news I am a closet racist who comes out of the closet dressed in my moms panties, and oh yeah I give abortions with close-hangers for 5$ a pop.

[IAmCountryMusic]

the first time i met ace was dec. 2002; he was all over me that night.
the second time march 2003; he had me stand on the side of the stage during their performance and asked me to sinf everynights another story with them.
the third time i saw him was august 2003; their show in salt lake was only for 18 and up so ace asked me if i could go to boise for their show the next night and serg would put me on the guest list.
the fourth time i was supposed to see them was november 2003 but ace forgot to put me on the guest list.
the fifth time was july 2004; ace forgot my name and didnt know who i was.
so i think maybe this whole thing is going to his head just a little bit, but i have never had him be rude to me personally but i have watched him be rude to others and he was never that rude unless he was joking.

[fullcollapse88]

time to start a rumor. ace was "angry" because a) ace is really 40 years old and the girl's long-lost father b) he was hoping she was younger c) he doesn't like creepy people praying to his altar and taking lots of pictures to look at while they touch themselves.

[make_this_hurt]

I've met Ace quite a few times and he is a really nice guy.

Maybe he was just annoyed with a bunch of little kids bothering him. I know I sure as hell would.

[burnpianoisland]

hilarious...what a dumb little girl.

[somethingyellow]

god ace is ugly, but has a good voice

[Adeniz19]

if that story is true i dont blame ace. i mean ya there his fans and he should try his best to not be a smart ass but it happens. i know if i had 15 year old girls screaming in my ear every day and taking 100's of pictures id prolly do the same thing.

at least he didnt pull a static x and take her in the back room haha.

[tedE]

Hey you got to be careful these days after MJ!
However, its more than likely:
15 year old - Attention Whore who didn't get the attention amount she wanted. Probably one of those girls you would find on that stupid MTV Sweet 16 show. Considering she drove 3 hours without a ticket, got in free, then bitched after getting all those pictures , she seems like your typical spoiled snob who is used to getting what she wants.
Her 23 year old sister - probably a snobby college sorority whore. :animateds

[newspaprtragedy]

i call bullshit on this as well. i interned at drive thru records for almost two years and ace was by far the nicest out of any member of any drive thru band to come in.. he always had a smile on his face and made sure to talk to everyone who had something to say to him. i have so much respect for him.

[SilverStar89]

I've talked with Jeff and Sergio. They were pretty awesome and totally cool with hanging out with their fans after the show. Ace however just kind of ran off the stage, but maybe he was having an off night or something. He put up a good stage presence that night though.

[projectmayhem16]

i call bullshit on this as well. i interned at drive thru records for almost two years and ace was by far the nicest out of any member of any drive thru band to come in.. he always had a smile on his face and made sure to talk to everyone who had something to say to him. i have so much respect for him.hmmm....thats nice and all but you got to give the dirt up, who were the biggest dicks you encountered, come on be honest.

[Gator_2727]

First of all, who cares about if this bitch had a bad experience because she means nothing and is a nobody. Secondly, its about if you love the music and not if you love the members in the band. Again, it's about the music.

[slickwataris]

Haha.


Ace canceled two in stores at my Tower Records (one with TEN, the other with ICMAMLNB).

[YourLatestVicti]

First of all, who cares about if this bitch had a bad experience because she means nothing and is a nobody. Secondly, its about if you love the music and not if you love the members in the band. Again, it's about the music.


My example is a bit extreme but, if Hitler was a more talented composer than Mozart people probally would not support his music. Aside from my rediculous analogy, it just makes it easier for me to support a band if I know that they are down to earth guys and what not, I mean I don't see myself supporting Stars Hide Fire after what they did, no matter what their next music sounds like.

[somethingyellow]

i call bullshit on this as well. i interned at drive thru records for almost two years and ace was by far the nicest out of any member of any drive thru band to come in.. he always had a smile on his face and made sure to talk to everyone who had something to say to him. i have so much respect for him.
even over andrew mcmahon? cuz its very hard to image that

[Gator_2727]

That might be true but if Hitler made awsome sounds with his guitar and he had written lyrics that meant something to me or were off the wall, i wouldn't buy his cd but download his music for free but if he really rocked, i still might buy his cd, cause i really don't care. Plus i doubt there would be anybody who made incredible music, who also wanted to kill a lot of people.

[EnderDove]

My example is a bit extreme but, if Hitler was a more talented composer than Mozart people probally would not support his music. Aside from my rediculous analogy, it just makes it easier for me to support a band if I know that they are down to earth guys and what not, I mean I don't see myself supporting Stars Hide Fire after what they did, no matter what their next music sounds like.
What exactly did they do? I missed it I guess...

[NIFTYNICKO]

this is stupid
im sure he was just joking and the girl took him seriously
stupid people

[PunkRocks]

OmG, liKe oNe tImE I weNt to See TeN aNd TSL And liKe duRiNg TSL's sHow LikE AcE caME oUt anD liKe CUt KeNNy'S hEad oFF (tHaT BasTarD!) anD tHat wAs LikE SOOOO MEAN aNd aLthOuGh I buLLshIt CauSe I dOnT LikE geT My wAy It liKe mAde mY pREtEEn FriEnDs aNd i liKe Cry iN ouR bLogS bEcaUse wE likE OveRheArd sOme Kid iN a DashBoaRd shIRt saY thAt waS LikE tHe coOl tHinG To dO nOW!

[iLikePants]

OmG, liKe oNe tImE I weNt to See TeN aNd TSL And liKe duRiNg TSL's sHow LikE AcE caME oUt anD liKe CUt KeNNy'S hEad oFF (tHaT BasTarD!) anD tHat wAs LikE SOOOO MEAN aNd aLthOuGh I buLLshIt CauSe I dOnT LikE geT My wAy It liKe mAde mY pREtEEn FriEnDs aNd i liKe Cry iN ouR bLogS bEcaUse wE likE OveRheArd sOme Kid iN a DashBoaRd shIRt saY thAt waS LikE tHe coOl tHinG To dO nOW!

i dont get why people do that, the whole caps shit. it makes hard to read and it's annoying. that made me laugh though.

[PunkRocks]

i dont get why people do that, the whole caps shit. it makes hard to read and it's annoying. that made me laugh though.

lol.. Don't worry, I'm not 15 and I don't really type like that. Ever.

However, I'm guessing someone else didn't think it was too funny, I've been the victim of several anonymous scene-point lowerings so far. (Wah.)

[hubbabubbal3ts]

this is the current state of music. i can't believe it. ace is a shy person around alot of people, be thankful he was even talking to you. stop trying to have sex with guys in bands.

[YourLatestVicti]

What exactly did they do? I missed it I guess...


They kicked out their lead singer,(Alex, I think his name was) and according to Alex he was kicked out for image reasons. I believe the band gave no reason as to why he was kicked out, so based on what I have seen he was kicked out just so they could have a better chance of getting big. But I might have the info wrong, that's just how I remember it.

[FinchBulldog2]

i disagree. i think she must be nasty-lookin.
Ya she's probably disgusting.

[nicolerork]

stop trying to have sex with guys in bands.

HAHA. One of the best posts on this thread yet. PunkRocks' post was pretty good too.

[nobodysmonkey]

Just wondering.....when did some whiney 15-year-old girl's lj entries become news-worthy?
Not too mention, I despise the early november.

[ChiodosBros]

i disagree. i think she must be nasty-lookin.

Yeah That's what I was gonna say.....He's just tired of kissing little teeny-bopper's asses plus she was ugly and that was the straw that broke the camels back. Good for him. If I were in a band I would'nt settle for a lame piece of underage ass either.

[RumpleForeskin]

One time at Warped Tour I was approached by two hot chicks ;)

They asked me for my autograph (I was selling tickets and taking care of will-call so I had a pass around my neck).

It was awesome. I know I'm cursed with good looks and charm, but to get asked for an autograph was nuts. I didn't even lie to them or anything. The weirdest part of all was where they wanted the autograph..

No, not their boobs or ass... not paper or shirt.... but instead...a fucking burger king tray. A Tray!

:huh:

[iheartJDepp]

yep, i had a bad ace experience too. boo hoo.

[maledixtion]

That made me laugh my ass off, I want to be in a successful band so I can say that.

Anyway, I met them all except Jeff (I saw them the first time he quit) and they all were insanely nice. They chilled at the merch booth, signed all kinds of stuff, talked with people, they were excellent, even Ace. I don't see where these "asshole" rumors come from.

[gnarlyman]

i bet so much money that girl is 600 pounds and made up that whole story

[thexflamesxburn]

15 year old girls can provide some good loving.
hahahahahahaha

[stay_18_forever]

arthur enders + acoustic guitar = musical marvel

[daang]

i saw them and met ace, and it was super cool. he was a really nice guy.
plus he was wearing an alkaline trio shirt, which totally made my day

[Whiskers182]

i bet so much money that girl is 600 pounds and made up that whole story

Actually I know her, and shes almost pushing 800lbs.

Seriously stop your bitchin, he had a bad day, everyone does, get over it.

[allupforsale]

die

[paloma]

i think he was joking and she didnt get it and/or shes exaggerating but that aside why do all young fans have to be badmouthed its so dumb because most of these bands arent THAT famous so i think most of the people there are there for the music and if they think the guys are hot too of thats fine just because they are young doesnt mean they are dumb and anoying im sure some are but not all i mean are they not allowed to like these bands becasue they are young do they have to listen to shitty music and wait untill they are older..... thats so dumb
stop complaining about seeing young fans at shows theres nothing wrong with that they are just starting out early not all 15 year olds are like that girl and take things like that so to heart

[ChiodosBros]

i think he was joking and she didnt get it and/or shes exaggerating but that aside why do all young fans have to be badmouthed its so dumb because most of these bands arent THAT famous so i think most of the people there are there for the music and if they think the guys are hot too of thats fine just because they are young doesnt mean they are dumb and anoying im sure some are but not all i mean are they not allowed to like these bands becasue they are young do they have to listen to shitty music and wait untill they are older..... thats so dumb
stop complaining about seeing young fans at shows theres nothing wrong with that they are just starting out early not all 15 year olds are like that girl and take things like that so to heart

You're 15 as well, aren't you.

[ChiodosBros]

Holy shit! You really are! Ha, I knew it! You can totally tell from how sensitive you are about this subject.

[atticusfinch]

HAHAHAHAHA.


Teenies.

[DriveTBSthru]

Yeah, that does seem a little strange, Ace is one of the nicest guys ever and i don't think he would say that to anyone. He is a very quiet guy and does keep to himself, he is super nice and signs autographs and takes many pictures. You can't expect a band member to be nice to everyone all the time, they also get tired and cranky of 100000 people always asking them for pictures and autographs. I have seen ace 100000 times and every time i have seen him he has been super nice, and super polite and he keeps to himself. so i think that story is made up. no offense.

[nicolerork]

stop complaining about seeing young fans at shows theres nothing wrong with that they are just starting out early not all 15 year olds are like that girl and take things like that so to heart

Are you 15 or what?

[Rest_Easy]

I have met Ace and the band before. When I met him he seemed a lil quiet and reserved. Now, people have what are called good days and bad days. Perhaps he was caught on a bad day. Easily he could have been tired from A) touring B) playing C) little girls constantly begging him to be their best friend. shit, it happens. But I'll tell you this.
I have a friend and his girlfriend was in an accident. She was in a coma for several months. In the middle of all this we met ace at a show where we asked him to sign something for her since she loved the band. He went into the other room, away from everyone and sat for at least a half hour trying to find the right thing to say. He filled the inner sleeve. A guy like that, I can't call a stuck up asshole based on one person's one time experience. so quick to judge.

[chrrydream]

thats a really great story and i hope everything turned out ok with the girl.

i also met ace before and he was nothing but nice.

and the replies to this are quite funny

I have met Ace and the band before. When I met him he seemed a lil quiet and reserved. Now, people have what are called good days and bad days. Perhaps he was caught on a bad day. Easily he could have been tired from A) touring B) playing C) little girls constantly begging him to be their best friend. shit, it happens. But I'll tell you this.
I have a friend and his girlfriend was in an accident. She was in a coma for several months. In the middle of all this we met ace at a show where we asked him to sign something for her since she loved the band. He went into the other room, away from everyone and sat for at least a half hour trying to find the right thing to say. He filled the inner sleeve. A guy like that, I can't call a stuck up asshole based on one person's one time experience. so quick to judge.

[distinctkicking]

i fail to see how this is really being mean to her. he was probably just trying to be funny or something. maybe he just didnt know what to say. how much could have have in common with a 15 yr old.

why are we dissecting one isolated sentence the guy from THE EARLY NOVEMBER said to some girl? frankly, who cares.

even if they were remotely good, i wouldn't care.

[shibby_punk_chi]

Ace is the hottest guy i'e ever seen!!!!

[iLikePants]

lol.. Don't worry, I'm not 15 and I don't really type like that. Ever.

However, I'm guessing someone else didn't think it was too funny, I've been the victim of several anonymous scene-point lowerings so far. (Wah.)

haha do people not know how to take a joke? i'll add some scene points.

[paloma]

Holy shit! You really are! Ha, I knew it! You can totally tell from how sensitive you are about this subject.


im not sensitive about it especially since most people dont know im 15 untill they ask i was just commenting on it becasue its stupid but whatever i dont really care its not like im going to stop going to shows or cry over it, its never personally affected me besides the fact that im that age