California Prop 4

[CarryOn09]

this is californias prop 4, as taken from the wonderous wikipedia

Proposition 4, or the Abortion Waiting Period and Parental Notification Initiative, also known to its supporters as Sarah's Law, is an initiated amendment that will appear on the November 4, 2008 ballot in California. It proposes a new amendment to the California Consititution.
The initiative would prohibit abortion for unemancipated minors until 48 hours after physician notifies minor’s parent, legal guardian or, if parental abuse has been reported, an alternative adult family member.

Specific provisions

The proposed initiative, if enacted as a constitutional amendment, would:

Provides exceptions for medical emergency or parental waiver.
Permits courts to waive notice based on clear and convincing evidence of minor’s maturity or best interests.
Mandates reporting requirements, including reports from physicians regarding abortions on minors.
Authorizes monetary damages against physicians for violation.
Requires minor’s consent to abortion, with exceptions.
Permits judicial relief if minor’s consent is coerced.
here is the vote yes video
http://www.youtube.com/v/gSf1spCOpLY&hl=en&fs=1
here is the vote no video (sorry idont know how to embed them correctly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhN_fgwLz3E


im not sure if there are similar bills in other states, but what is everybodys opinion on this?

[Brent_S]

For that. Voted for it. And against the same-sex marriage (Prop 8).

I'm still a CA resident but just go to school out here.

[apoemtothedead]

Voted against it. As well as Prop 8.

[lightcollapse]

Obviously vote against it. Anyone who is for abortion, yet wants parental notification, is retarded.

[deecee85]

I think we've seen throughout modern history that when you block people from abortion, they will find (extremely unsafe) ways to circumvent the law. Case study: Brazil.

[eMart]

I'm voting no on this one.

[nellbelle]

While I can see the logic behind it in that it's a little crazy to think someone can't go on a school fieldtrip without parental consent, but can have a medical procedure performed without them even knowing, overall I find the prop to be a bad idea. Odds are that, if we're dealing with girls who would get an abortion without informing their parents, this prop isn't going to cause a sudden surge in pregnant teenage honesty. What it will be more likely to cause is girls taking hot baths with a coat hanger and a bottle of vodka.

In short, I will be voting against this prop.

[KrebstarKansas]

I think we've seen throughout modern history that when you block people from abortion, they will find (extremely unsafe) ways to circumvent the law. Case study: Brazil.

Exactly. I already voted against this and against the gay marriage ban through my absentee ballot. I understand the argument of like "if underage kids need permission to go on a field trip, they should need it for an abortion" but the more honest and powerful fact is that 1) these kids could be forced into unwanted pregnancies, parenthoods and fucked up futures for themselves and their offspring 2) a ton of them will run down to Mexico or look up abortion methods on the internet or other fucked up things like that so they don't have to tell their parents. In the end, it's just going cause way more shitty outcomes.

[muggledude]

Obviously I'm in the minority here, but I'm voting for it. If the provisions are followed through on, then it seems pretty reasonable.

[mattybobviously]

Hoping that 4 and 8 go down, would be a damn shame.

[Domenic182]

Yes, definitely no on 4 and DEFINITELY no on 8.

[Domenic182]

How exactly are people allowed to vote on whether people should have rights?? Fucking insane. In four years I propose voting no on prop 12 - should black people be able to vote?
this

[Khaos]

Anyone know how prop 8 turned out?

[sdbrown]

The votes are still being tallied

[NickLopez]

Anyone know how prop 8 turned out?
Passing as of now, though. Pretty significantly.