What Has Been More Degrading To Punk Music

[YouMadeTheScene]

so what has been worse?

[Alex Djaferis]

? what do you mean.

[FallingOut]

Yeah im confused how any of this is degrading to punk music. Why do people feel the need to make threads like this?

[punklet2101]

Umm ok

[YouMadeTheScene]

Yeah im confused how any of this is degrading to punk music. Why do people feel the need to make threads like this?

because im bored in class and i found it entertaining

its more of a joke then anything else

[punkpixie]

fine, but none of those things bug me. And how is Bowling For Soup degrading? they make fun pop-punk and never claimed to be or do anything different than that...

[Greg]

theres nothing wrong with BFS.
ashlee simpson doesnt effect punk music...

so id say women's pants on guys

[Love As Arson]

What you mean to say is:

Which of the following is more degrading to pop punk?

[Greg]

What you mean to say is:

Which of the following is more degrading to pop punk?
true.... true..... but the girls pants are also in the screamo/emo stuff too

[YouMadeTheScene]

What you mean to say is:

Which of the following is more degrading to pop punk?

i suppose tha would have been a better choice of wording.

I guess I am biased on BFS. I think they may be the most terrible punk band today. I saw them live twice not by choice really. THe one fat guy doesnt even play the guitar he just flickts the guitar pick in the air. They were terrible live both times just my opinion I guess.

And there was a picture where Ashlee Simpson had a Norma Jean shirt on--im sorry thats just degrading

[punkpixie]

i suppose tha would have been a better choice of wording.

I guess I am biased on BFS. I think they may be the most terrible punk band today. I saw them live twice not by choice really. THe one fat guy doesnt even play the guitar he just flickts the guitar pick in the air. They were terrible live both times just my opinion I guess.

And there was a picture where Ashlee Simpson had a Norma Jean shirt on--im sorry thats just degrading

Yeah I guess so, but if she likes them why shouldn't she wear the shirt? By the way, how do you see a band live twice by accident?

[YouMadeTheScene]

Yeah I guess so, but if she likes them why shouldn't she wear the shirt? By the way, how do you see a band live twice by accident?

Because i will put 100 dollars that she doesn't know any of the songs and she just liked the shirt and thought it looked fashioncore...

and the first time i was with all my friends at Warped Tour and we were sitting on the ground and they came on and started playing I had no idea that they were going on and it was bad. and the second time was a couple months ago me and my friends were smoking and we heard a band was playing over at the school arena so we went over and they were the ones playing

[Tony Pascarella]

Yeah I guess so, but if she likes them why shouldn't she wear the shirt? By the way, how do you see a band live twice by accident?

If people get pregnant "by accident," how can they not see a band twice by accident?

[Love As Arson]

Take comfort in the fact that within the next year or so this trend will be dead and half the bands picked up by majors will be dropped, which will hopefully mark the end of their musical careers.
In accordance with the shifting of trends, you, and about ninety-eight percent of the people on this site, will lie about every liking various pop punk bands, and will embrace all the artists that come from this new trend, then rinse and repeat.

[punkpixie]

If people get pregnant "by accident," how can they not see a band twice by accident?

I just thought it seemed a little weird, like he liked them but didn't want to admitt that he had seen them, thats all. but seeing them twice by accident, thats unlucky when you don't like them! haha

[Tony Pascarella]

That said, I kind of like BFS. I own A Hangover You Don't Deserve and Drunk Enough To Dance and thoroughly enjoy them. There's something fun about listening to a bunch of fat guys singing about not being able to get laid. Jared Redick is never going to be the best lyricist on the planet, but there are fun albums out there; BFS makes them.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Take comfort in the fact that within the next year or so this trend will be dead and half the bands picked up by majors will be dropped, which will hopefully mark the end of their musical careers.
In accordance with the shifting of trends, you, and about ninety-eight percent of the people on this site, will lie about every liking various pop punk bands, and will embrace all the artists that come from this new trend, then rinse and repeat.

i love pop punk, but I can't even consider Bowling For Soup as a pop punk band anymore.

[punkpixie]

That said, I kind of like BFS. I own <i>A Hangover You Don't Deserve</i> and <i>Drunk Enough To Dance</i> and thoroughly enjoy them. There's something fun about listening to a bunch of fat guys singing about not being able to get laid. Jared Redick is never going to be the best lyricist on the planet, but there are fun albums out there; BFS makes them.

I like them, because I don't take them seriously. They admit that they are a fun band and I appreciate that...

[Tony Pascarella]

I like them, because I don't take them seriously. They admit that they are a fun band and I appreciate that...

Exactly.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I like them, because I don't take them seriously. They admit that they are a fun band and I appreciate that...

see i don't not like them because they are a fun band...I mean I love Reggie and The Full Effect. I don't like them because I think that they do the being fun thing terribly and I think that they aren't even good musicians.

[punkpixie]

see i don't not like them because they are a fun band...I mean I love Reggie and The Full Effect. I don't like them because I think that they do the being fun thing terribly and I think that they aren't even good musicians.

Thats a fair comment. I guess I'm just not expecting them to be good musicians, and I understand that their humour gets a little tiresome. Probably because Blink already did it, and it was funnier....haha

[Love As Arson]

i love pop punk, but I can't even consider Bowling For Soup as a pop punk band anymore.
They are a pop punk band. They're simply a horrible one. And you love pop punk now, but like people who fans of Staind and Korn a few years ago, you will deny you love of it when the new trend comes. Mark it.

[YouMadeTheScene]

They are a pop punk band. They're simply a horrible one. And you love pop punk now, but like people who fans of Staind and Korn a few years ago, you will deny you love of it when the new trend comes. Mark it.

lol I still have my follow the leader shirt :(
i think its silly for people to say they didnt like something at one time when they did. I mean whats the big deal? It was popular at the time and you enjoyed it you just grew out of it. Staind thought wasn't that big of a fan of Staind. I was more of a fan of Disturbed

[punkpixie]

^^^
I can honestly say I never liked those bands. I think I had already grown out of that by the time they came along. But hey, we all gotta start somewhere right?

[FinchBulldog2]

I agree with all 3 but I went with the pants.

[leika]

.... But I like bumping into guys when I'm out shopping with my little cousin in the little girls section at Winners (department store thing).

Watching them try to squeeze into pants 5 sizes too small ;) ... like wow.

[Tony Pascarella]

I'm not a huge Ashlee fan. She had a couple enjoyable songs, but everyone knows it's not the "in" thing to like her. Besides, she's kind of hot.

And the girl pants thing is just really retarded, in my opinion. So I voted for that.

EDIT: And my next hour or so of iTunes listening is Bowling For Soup in honor of you haters. :laugh:

[punkpixie]

I'm not a huge Ashlee fan. She had a couple enjoyable songs, but everyone knows it's not the "in" thing to like her. Besides, she's kind of hot.

And the girl pants thing is just really retarded, in my opinion. So I voted for that.

EDIT: And my next hour or so of iTunes listening is Bowling For Soup in honor of you haters. :laugh:

haha awesome! I really enjoy that 'Get Happy' song...

[Love As Arson]

I don't think the problem with Ashlee Simpson is it's the "in" thing to despise her, rather it's her lack of talent that leads people to despise her. The same goes for Bowling For Soup. Before you talk about their record sales, the majority of the American public likes horrible music.

[punkpixie]

I don't think the problem with Ashlee Simpson is it's the "in" thing to despise her, rather it's her lack of talent that leads people to despise her. The same goes for Bowling For Soup. Before you talk about their record sales, the majority of the American public likes horrible music.

haha thats true....I just tend to ignore Ashlee Simpson, because we all already know she is talentless....

[Greg]

I don't think the problem with Ashlee Simpson is it's the "in" thing to despise her, rather it's her lack of talent that leads people to despise her. The same goes for Bowling For Soup. Before you talk about their record sales, the majority of the American public likes horrible music.
agreed. you can't judge talent by record sales.

[Tony Pascarella]

I don't think the problem with Ashlee Simpson is it's the "in" thing to despise her, rather it's her lack of talent that leads people to despise her. The same goes for Bowling For Soup. Before you talk about their record sales, the majority of the American public likes horrible music.

Sometimes horrible music is good. It's like the people that like Simple Plan (although I sure as fuck won't be defending those guys/girls); they know they suck, but they like one or two songs.

[Love As Arson]

Sometimes horrible music is good. It's like the people that like Simple Plan (although I sure as fuck won't be defending those guys/girls); they know they suck, but they like one or two songs.
If people buy an album for one or two songs, then they're idiots, as well as people who like horrible music, but I don't think that is the case. The American public seems to genuinely love the horrible music they produce.

[punkpixie]

If people buy an album for one or two songs, then they're idiots, as well as people who like horrible music, but I don't think that is the case. The American public seems to genuinely love the horrible music they produce.

Well then you should be happy in the knowledge that you hate that stuff...

[FinchBulldog2]

Elitists who don't even play instruments should be a choice.

[punkpixie]

Elitists who don't even play instruments should be a choice.

'Fashioncore'.....that should be up there, especially after that article that Pat posted....

[Love As Arson]

Well then you should be happy in the knowledge that you hate that stuff...
I'd be happy if we could do a reenactment of the French revolution with these artists taking the place of the royalty.

[punkpixie]

I'd be happy if we could do a reenactment of the French revolution with these artists taking the place of the royalty.

hahaha 'vive la revolution!'.....

[Love As Arson]

Elitists who don't even play instruments should be a choice. How presumptious on your part. In any case, I reject the premise that you need to play an instrument to judge the music that a band produces. It'd be similar to saying that you can't judge whether or not police officers are doing a good job because you're not a cop. The fact is you can, and that logic can be applied to liking music.

[FinchBulldog2]

How presumptious on your part. In any case, I reject the premise that you need to play an instrument to judge the music that a band produces. It'd be similar to saying that you can't judge whether or not police officers are doing a good job because you're not a cop. The fact is you can, and that logic can be applied to liking music.
Hey, I didn't even mention your name, but if you want to confess now you'll get a lighter sentence.

[Love As Arson]

Hey, I didn't even mention your name, but if you want to confess now you'll get a lighter sentence.
Please. I was simply pointing out the idiocy in your post.

[FinchBulldog2]

Please. I was simply pointing out the idiocy in your post.
Your defense was awful. You need to play an instrument to tell which bands are better musicians Dom. You wouldn't know anything about the music.

[Love As Arson]

Your defense was awful. You need to play an instrument to tell which bands are better musicians Dom. You wouldn't know anything about the music.
One can know a lot about music without being a musician, friend. Just like one can know a lot about politics without actually being involved in it.
Your presuppositions are your weakness.

[firecrackermank]

I personally like Bowling For Soup, so fuck off. :)
Don't really, i love your guts, Ashlee Simpson did it for me, can't stand her.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I personally like Bowling For Soup, so fuck off. :)
Don't really, i love your guts, Ashlee Simpson did it for me, can't stand her.

i was sad till you loved my guts :animateds

[punkpixie]

i was sad till you loved my guts :animateds

unless she meant on a plate, in which case I don't think she likes you! hahaha

[firecrackermank]

Uuuuumm, excuse me, i never wish to rip out peoples inner beauty!

[YouMadeTheScene]

unless she meant on a plate, in which case I don't think she likes you! hahaha

FUCK!

[YouMadeTheScene]

Uuuuumm, excuse me, i never wish to rip out peoples inner beauty!

yes i win!

[firecrackermank]

Of course, always the way.

[punkpixie]

FUCK!

hahahaha! I don't think shes the gut-ripping sort..you're safe!

[firecrackermank]

:(....

[xXxAveryxXx]

Guys in women pants *drewl* thats hot.

[punkpixie]

Guys in women pants *drewl* thats hot.

OK, thats nice....but could you *drewl* elsewhere? like on the Good Charlotte boards or something...

[xXxAveryxXx]

it was sarcasm fucktard......

[YouMadeTheScene]

Its Drool....0wN3d!!!!111

[punkpixie]

it was sarcasm fucktard......

hahaha Oh really...














I still don't like you...

[YouMadeTheScene]

man i'm so happy I still haven't gotten harassed once and im a pretty young newb still...











Now Attack Avery!!!111

[punkpixie]

man i'm so happy I still haven't gotten harassed once and im a pretty young newb still...











Now Attack Avery!!!111

hahaha, but you don't seem dumb. I like you actually.... But you know, Avery likes the Sex Pistols, shes like punk to tha' max! mwhahaha

[YouMadeTheScene]

hahaha yes. and i mean i understand she/he/it may be british--but does that really affect your spelling ability? granted its a different country but you think the people would be able to correctly spell the language they created.

[punkpixie]

hahaha yes. and i mean i understand she/he/it may be british--but does that really affect your spelling ability? granted its a different country but you think the people would be able to correctly spell the language they created.

Living proof right here, I am also English...



I really hope she isn't, because it gives us a bad name! hahaha

[YouMadeTheScene]

i feel your pain--people on Long Island have been salughtering the english language since it has been settled.

[FallingOut]

The person who said you need to be an actual musiciain to tell which band is more talented, youre a moron. You can have two bands side by side, and one can be much more obviously musically talented, and anybody can tell who is better musically. You dont have to play an instrument, you have to have EARS.

[punkpixie]

i feel your pain--people on Long Island have been salughtering the english language since it has been settled.

hahahahaha, I can imagine. I bets its like that stupid lower case/capitals typing: PuNk RaWk!

[FinchBulldog2]

One can know a lot about music without being a musician, friend. Just like one can know a lot about politics without actually being involved in it.
Your presuppositions are your weakness.
Dom, your theory doesn't apply here. If you don't know music theory, how do you know if what they are playing is creative or intricate. The only parts of music the average listener can judge are lyrics and catchiness.

[Thomas Sway]

so what has been worse?
lol.

Very random poll options. haha.

[Love As Arson]

Dom, your theory doesn't apply here. If you don't know music theory, how do you know if what they are playing is creative or intricate. The only parts of music the average listener can judge are lyrics and catchiness.
Studying music does not require one to play an instrument. But, besides that point, let's say the average listener buys an Mxpx cd and a Blink 182 cd, they will notice the similarities in the music. With the music we're speaking of, it is easy to judge the things you've been talking about as it is simplistic. You could make an argument for other forms of music, but I'll still posit that owning an instrument is not a pre-requisite for being able to judge music properly.

[Thomas Sway]

Studying music does not require one to play an instrument. But, besides that point, let's say the average listener buys an Mxpx cd and a Blink 182 cd, they will notice the similarities in the music. With the music we're speaking of, it is easy to judge the things you've been talking about as it is simplistic. You could make an argument for other forms of music, but I'll still posit that owning an instrument is a pre-requisite for being able to judge music properly.
I agree completely acutally.

[sweethypocrisy]

i get what kevin is saying, i think. i mean, i dont go saying 'oh hes a horrible drummer" because i dont play drums. so to say "this band cant play their instruments" when you dont play one is stupid.

[Thomas Sway]

i get what kevin is saying, i think. i mean, i dont go saying 'oh hes a horrible drummer" because i dont play drums. so to say "this band cant play their instruments" when you dont play one is stupid.
But even if you can't play one, you can still have a critical ear to know that a certain musician is worse in comparison to another one.

When I'm commenting on the skills of musicians, I'm speaking on their talents in relation to their scene or the music industry in general. Not in relation to myself.

Does that mean I can't have opinions on things like movies either, because I'm not a professional actor?

[FinchBulldog2]

But even if you can't play one, you can still have a critical ear to know that a certain musician is worse in comparison to another one.

When I'm commenting on the skills of musicians, I'm speaking on their talents in relation to their scene or the music industry in general. Not in relation to myself.

Does that mean I can't have opinions on things like movies either, because I'm not a professional actor?
It's different with music. Dom criticizes bands all the time. If he just said things like "I don't like this band" rather than "this band is pure crap" or "they are horrible musicians" he wouldn't bother me. He doesn't play instruments or study theory, how does he know what is good or not. Honestly, all these kids know is what some higher level elitist passes on to them.

Certain bands excell at songwriting (New Found Glory, Treble Charger, Northstar, The Get Up Kids, Brand New, Senses Fail, Sugarcult, even Simple Plan) and certain excell in their musicianship (The Mars Volta, Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Who, Thrice, Hopesfall, etc.).

To tell who the excellent musicians are, you must know some theory. Just because someone has a solo in their song doesn't mean they are outstanding musicians. If you don't know theory, how can you judge the musicianship between bands?

[hXc_pwnage]

Too bad girl pants are "hardcore."

[hXc_pwnage]

It's different with music. Dom criticizes bands all the time. If he just said things like "I don't like this band" rather than "this band is pure crap" or "they are horrible musicians" he wouldn't bother me. He doesn't play instruments or study theory, how does he know what is good or not. Honestly, all these kids know is what some higher level elitist passes on to them.

Certain bands excell at songwriting (New Found Glory, Treble Charger, Northstar, The Get Up Kids, Brand New, Senses Fail, Sugarcult, even Simple Plan) and certain excell in their musicianship (The Mars Volta, Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Who, Thrice, Hopesfall, etc.).

To tell who the excellent musicians are, you must know some theory. Just because someone has a solo in their song doesn't mean they are outstanding musicians. If you don't know theory, how can you judge the musicianship between bands?
Well apparently you missed your classes.

[richter915]

It's different with music. Dom criticizes bands all the time. If he just said things like "I don't like this band" rather than "this band is pure crap" or "they are horrible musicians" he wouldn't bother me. He doesn't play instruments or study theory, how does he know what is good or not. Honestly, all these kids know is what some higher level elitist passes on to them.

Certain bands excell at songwriting (New Found Glory, Treble Charger, Northstar, The Get Up Kids, Brand New, Senses Fail, Sugarcult, even Simple Plan) and certain excell in their musicianship (The Mars Volta, Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Who, Thrice, Hopesfall, etc.).

To tell who the excellent musicians are, you must know some theory. Just because someone has a solo in their song doesn't mean they are outstanding musicians. If you don't know theory, how can you judge the musicianship between bands?
TJ, how do I get that song thing into my sig?

[FinchBulldog2]

Well apparently you missed your classes.
What makes you say that? I'm guessing because I listen to catchy pop punk music. I can at least recognize good musicianship and songwriting.

[richter915]

TJ, how do I get that song thing into my sig?
quoted the wrong person...nice.

[richter915]

What makes you say that? I'm guessing because I listen to catchy pop punk music. I can at least recognize good musicianship and songwriting.
it's all an opinion...you could have a PhD in music theory but if it appeals more to my ear, I'm gonna like it regardless of what u say.

[hXc_pwnage]

TJ, how do I get that song thing into my sig?
<img]http://www.denness.net/scrobblersig/username/myrushmore/labelcolor/000000/trackcolor/d8137d/backgroundcolor/bbb9b9/backgroundtransparent/0.png[/img>

Change "myrushmore" to what your name is.

Label color is the top line.
Track is the bottom line.
Background is background.
And don't touch transparent.
And then just change the < and > to [ and ].

[hXc_pwnage]

What makes you say that? I'm guessing because I listen to catchy pop punk music. I can at least recognize good musicianship and songwriting.
And I don't listen to catchy pop punk? Give me a break.

Your list of musicians and writers is amazingly mediocore.

[Love As Arson]

It's different with music. Dom criticizes bands all the time. If he just said things like "I don't like this band" rather than "this band is pure crap" or "they are horrible musicians" he wouldn't bother me. He doesn't play instruments or study theory, how does he know what is good or not. Honestly, all these kids know is what some higher level elitist passes on to them.

Certain bands excell at songwriting (New Found Glory, Treble Charger, Northstar, The Get Up Kids, Brand New, Senses Fail, Sugarcult, even Simple Plan) and certain excell in their musicianship (The Mars Volta, Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Who, Thrice, Hopesfall, etc.).

To tell who the excellent musicians are, you must know some theory. Just because someone has a solo in their song doesn't mean they are outstanding musicians. If you don't know theory, how can you judge the musicianship between bands?
Actually, you'd be wrong about my playing of an instrument.

I don't even need to address the rest of your post as you lost all credibility by naming Senses Fail as one of the bands that excel at songwriting.

[richter915]

<img]http://www.denness.net/scrobblersig/username/myrushmore/labelcolor/000000/trackcolor/d8137d/backgroundcolor/bbb9b9/backgroundtransparent/0.png[/img>

Change "myrushmore" to what your name is.

Label color is the top line.
Track is the bottom line.
Background is background.
And don't touch transparent.
And then just change the < and > to [ and ].
u r the rawk.

[hXc_pwnage]

Actually, you'd be wrong about my playing of an instrument.

I don't even need to address the rest of your post as you lost all credibility by naming Senses Fail as one of the bands that excel at songwriting.
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Let's take an excert from Buddy's amazing lyrics.

So love me gently with a chainsaw (chainsaw)
I'll leave you like your father did.
I'll bite your lip so fucking, so hard.
And watch the innocence just drip

[Love As Arson]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Let's take an excert from Buddy's amazing lyrics.

So love me gently with a chainsaw (chainsaw)
I'll leave you like your father did.
I'll bite your lip so fucking, so hard.
And watch the innocence just drip
TJ, I had a dream last night and in my dream I robbed a country club. A five year old tried to stop me, but I shot him through the head, and now he's dead.

[FinchBulldog2]

it's all an opinion...you could have a PhD in music theory but if it appeals more to my ear, I'm gonna like it regardless of what u say.
That's what I mean. Dom criticizes everybody for liking stuff that isn't good. That's why I'm calling him out for talking shit when he doesn't know what he's saying.

[FinchBulldog2]

I was talking more of the band Senses Fail than Buddy. I'll admit that the song Dom quoted doesn't have very good lyrics.

[Love As Arson]

I bet you sit up at night saying to yourself:

"That fucking Dom, I hate him. He thinks he so smart. I know, I'll talk about music theory to come off as intelligent. Now, who is a great writer? Hmmm? Buddy, of Senses Fail, writes some of the best songs I've ever heard in my life."

[Thomas Sway]

I'm still with Dom on this.

[YouMadeTheScene]

If you're happy and you know it than clap your hands :dance:

[FinchBulldog2]

I bet you sit up at night saying to yourself:

"That fucking Dom, I hate him. He thinks he so smart. I know, I'll talk about music theory to come off as intelligent. Now, who is a great writer? Hmmm? Buddy, of Senses Fail, writes some of the best songs I've ever heard in my life."
I just said I was talking about the band not the vocals you dumb fuck. Learn how to read you ignorant asshole.

[Love As Arson]

I just said I was talking about the band not the vocals you dumb fuck. Learn how to read you ignorant asshole.
Well, it could be that I can't read, or, and this is just a guess, you could have posted it while I was responding.
Now, go ahead, and attack me in anger because you've destroyed your own argument.

[YouMadeTheScene]

what's your guys favorite nursery rhyme?

[FinchBulldog2]

Well, it could be that I can't read, or, and this is just a guess, you could have posted it while I was responding.
Now, go ahead, and attack me in anger because you've destroyed your own argument.
Oh well, honest mistake. Back to the main points, I think you can like music for different reasons. Senses Fail might not have the best lyrics, and (insert catchy pop punk band) might not be as good of musicians as other bands, but you can still appreciate them and enjoy listening to them.

[hXc_pwnage]

I just said I was talking about the band not the vocals you dumb fuck. Learn how to read you ignorant asshole.
I didn't know that lyrics were vocals!

You're just driving yourself deeper and deeper. You lost. You're wrong. Go cry now.

[hXc_pwnage]

TJ, I had a dream last night and in my dream I robbed a country club. A five year old tried to stop me, but I shot him through the head, and now he's dead.
I'm going to sing you a love ballad.

Back into what I thought I knew, these words inside me, tell me what to do.
My heart held, in the palm of your hand.
(Forget my name) Now I know, the way to go, this place inside my demented mind.
(Forget my name) You saw me bleeding on the bathroom floor.
(Forget my name) This time in silence, this time I win. [x3]
(Forget my name) Now you will feel my pain
Forget my name [x4]

[YouMadeTheScene]

personally i like the old lady that live in the shoe

[hXc_pwnage]

Oh well, honest mistake. Back to the main points, I think you can like music for different reasons. Senses Fail might not have the best lyrics, and (insert catchy pop punk band) might not be as good of musicians as other bands, but you can still appreciate them and enjoy listening to them.
You just ran back on your whole arguement.

Good-fucking-job.

[FinchBulldog2]

I didn't know that lyrics were vocals!

You're just driving yourself deeper and deeper. You lost. You're wrong. Go cry now.
TJ stay out of this and let the big boys talk....Lyrics are part of the vocalist's job (most of the time...some vocalists don't write the lyrics).

[hXc_pwnage]

personally i like the old lady that live in the shoe
My favorite.

Kevin is a moron,
Kevin is a moron,
Kevin is a moron,
SLIT MY THROAT UNTIL I BLEED THE DAY DRY.

[hXc_pwnage]

TJ stay out of this and let the big boys talk....Lyrics are part of the vocalist's job (most of the time...some vocalists don't write the lyrics).
Vocals and lyrics aren't the same thing, idiot.

Let me look up the definitions really quickly...

Vocals-Of or relating to the voice: the vertebrate vocal organs; a vocal defect.
Uttered or produced by the voice.

Lyrics-Of or relating to a category of poetry that expresses subjective thoughts and feelings, often in a songlike style or form.
Relating to or constituting a poem in this category, such as a sonnet or an ode.
Of or relating to a writer of poems in this category.

So, if you're a big boy, I must be a giant.

[YouMadeTheScene]

My favorite.

Kevin is a moron,
Kevin is a moron,
Kevin is a moron,
SLIT MY THROAT UNTIL I BLEED THE DAY DRY.

sorry I don't know that one maybe its a remix.

[hXc_pwnage]

sorry I don't know that one maybe its a remix.
I made it myself.

[FinchBulldog2]

Vocals and lyrics aren't the same thing, idiot.

Let me look up the definitions really quickly...

Vocals-Of or relating to the voice: the vertebrate vocal organs; a vocal defect.
Uttered or produced by the voice.

Lyrics-Of or relating to a category of poetry that expresses subjective thoughts and feelings, often in a songlike style or form.
Relating to or constituting a poem in this category, such as a sonnet or an ode.
Of or relating to a writer of poems in this category.

So, if you're a big boy, I must be a giant.
That doesnt even refute what I said "lyrics are usually part of the vocalist's job".

[Love As Arson]

Oh well, honest mistake. Back to the main points, I think you can like music for different reasons. Senses Fail might not have the best lyrics, and (insert catchy pop punk band) might not be as good of musicians as other bands, but you can still appreciate them and enjoy listening to them.
And with this, the argument is over. You can't defend what you've said, and you're backtracking now. Have a nice day.

[hXc_pwnage]

That doesnt even refute what I said "lyrics are usually part of the vocalist's job".
Except we kept pointing out the obvious hilarity found in Buddy's so called "lyrics," and you referred to them as "vocals."

And yes, sometimes they are apart of the vocalist's jobs. What is your point?

[YouMadeTheScene]

my mom always said i was the fastest runner in my class...watch me run watch im fast
:dweeba5:

[FinchBulldog2]

Here's some lyrics from some of TJ's favorite bands:
Some prefix-core genericness from the guys of Converge:
"keep on searching
keep on running
suicide eyes
just keep hunting
for new hearts
to break
for old wounds
to make
no one will break your fall
keep on moving
keep on hiding
in ripe new lives
you are destroying"

Every Time I Die? How original:
Cut your break lines, brake your headlights
and waited for you at the stop sign.
Disconnected iron lungs, insurance fires, our smothered young.
Always the first one on the scene.
A pyromantic midsummer nights dream.

Thank you lord:
1) for this oil slick.
2) for her car wreck.
3) for I'm lovesick.

Heaven sent us a redeemer, but Hell tried to his resolve.
And when you thought we were done for.
I pulled through.
While you rested your eyes in the driver seat,
I sat and watched you.
Always the first one on the scene.
A pyromantic midsummer nights dream.
Trust me. We'll wait for it, pray for it,
step on the brakes till we're over it,
under it, screaming like bombs for it.
Oh dear me, I've done it again.

Thank you lord:
4) for the loaded gun.
5) for the bad aim.
6) for I'm lonesome.

God is smiling down on us,
he shines his grace on everyone.

Edit: I do not relate to these lyrics and I don't see why they are put on a high plateau than other bands. I'm sure some people enjoy this kind of stuff though.

[FinchBulldog2]

And with this, the argument is over. You can't defend what you've said, and you're backtracking now. Have a nice day.
My argument is that you have no right to criticize the bands the way you do. If you said "I don't like them" I'd accept it, but you call bands shit and other stuff. I'm just pointing out that you are ignorant and you have no right to shit on all these bands.

[XPaRiSiNfLaMeSX]

What the fuck is wrong with girls pants on guys?

[hXc_pwnage]

Here's some lyrics from some of TJ's favorite bands:
Some prefix-core genericness from the guys of Converge:
"keep on searching
keep on running
suicide eyes
just keep hunting
for new hearts
to break
for old wounds
to make
no one will break your fall
keep on moving
keep on hiding
in ripe new lives
you are destroying"

Every Time I Die? How original:
Cut your break lines, brake your headlights
and waited for you at the stop sign.
Disconnected iron lungs, insurance fires, our smothered young.
Always the first one on the scene.
A pyromantic midsummer nights dream.

Thank you lord:
1) for this oil slick.
2) for her car wreck.
3) for I'm lovesick.

Heaven sent us a redeemer, but Hell tried to his resolve.
And when you thought we were done for.
I pulled through.
While you rested your eyes in the driver seat,
I sat and watched you.
Always the first one on the scene.
A pyromantic midsummer nights dream.
Trust me. We'll wait for it, pray for it,
step on the brakes till we're over it,
under it, screaming like bombs for it.
Oh dear me, I've done it again.

Thank you lord:
4) for the loaded gun.
5) for the bad aim.
6) for I'm lonesome.

God is smiling down on us,
he shines his grace on everyone.

A lot of bands have their crappy moments.
Hahahahaahahahaha. Are you seriously trying to insult Keith Buckley and Jacob Bannon?

[FinchBulldog2]

Hahahahaahahahaha. Are you seriously trying to insult Keith Buckley and Jacob Bannon?
Just saying, those lyrics don't relate to me and those are 2 overrated bands IN MY OPINION.

[hXc_pwnage]

My argument is that you have no right to criticize the bands the way you do. If you said "I don't like them" I'd accept it, but you call bands shit and other stuff. I'm just pointing out that you are ignorant and you have no right to shit on all these bands.
If bands are shitty, they will be called shitty.

[YouMadeTheScene]

What the fuck is wrong with girls pants on guys?

nothing if your name is RuPaul

[hXc_pwnage]

Just saying, those lyrics don't relate to me and those are 2 overrated bands IN MY OPINION.
Just because you don't relate doesn't mean they are bad. Let me see you write poetry like Jacob. You can't, can you? OH WAIT. I GUESS YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE HIM THEN.

Keith Buckley is on of the best lyricists around at the moment. You can't write in the continuous style like he does, or create the lines he does.

Hahahahahahaha. Overrated? God, I'm loosing faith in the world.

[FinchBulldog2]

If bands are shitty, they will be called shitty.
Just say "I don't like them" instead of trying to degrade them and their fans.

[FinchBulldog2]

nothing if your name is RuPaul
hahahahaha

[hXc_pwnage]

Just say "I don't like them" instead of trying to degrade them and their fans.
Finch sucks.

[Thomas Sway]

If bands are shitty, they will be called shitty.
no fucking shit.

I don't need some formal fucking education to be able to recognize whether or not a band blows. I've been listening to music very intensely for most of my life, and I think a lot of other people have as well, and I think I am familiar enough with it to be able to acknowledge what's good and what isn't.

Even if it doesn't particularly fit my tastes.

[FinchBulldog2]

Finch sucks.
The first album showcases catchy songwriting. The new album showcases better musicianship than 95% of the bands you and I listen to. Be prepaired to put your foot in your mouth.

[hXc_pwnage]

no fucking shit.

I don't need some formal fucking education to be able to recognize whether or not a band blows. I've been listening to music very intensely for most of my life, and I think a lot of other people have as well, and I think I am familiar enough with it to be able to acknowledge what's good and what isn't.

Even if it doesn't particularly fit my tastes.
Excactly.

I love you Sway. When are you going to play Halo with me?

[YouMadeTheScene]

so how bout them yankees huh?

[hXc_pwnage]

The first album showcases catchy songwriting. The new album showcases better musicianship than 95% of the bands you and I listen to. Be prepaired to put your foot in your mouth.
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAH.

[Thomas Sway]

Excactly.

I love you Sway. When are you going to play Halo with me?

I don't have live anymore. :( I can't afford the shit.

[FinchBulldog2]

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAH.
Whatever TJ, just be ready to eat your words.......Ok I'm done with this site for an hour.

[hXc_pwnage]

I don't have live anymore. :( I can't afford the shit.
Blasphemy!!!

Make your friends pay for it.

[hXc_pwnage]

Whatever TJ, just be ready to eat your words.......Ok I'm done with this site for an hour.
Once they are better musicians than 95% of the bands I listen to, I'll eat my tongue, foot, asshole, dick, and testicles at once.

And since I don't have a penis or testicles, that's never happening.

[boysdontcry]

If bands are shitty, they will be called shitty.
if anyone talks down on keith buckley then i will personally murder them.

[hXc_pwnage]

Exactly.

Keith is my fucking hero.

THE FUCKING CHAMPION

[YouMadeTheScene]

if anyone talks down on keith buckley then i will personally murder them.
no you won't--you won't kill them

[Pat Marquez]

Here's some lyrics from some of TJ's favorite bands:
Some prefix-core genericness from the guys of Converge:
"keep on searching
keep on running
suicide eyes
just keep hunting
for new hearts
to break
for old wounds
to make
no one will break your fall
keep on moving
keep on hiding
in ripe new lives
you are destroying"

Every Time I Die? How original:
Cut your break lines, brake your headlights
and waited for you at the stop sign.
Disconnected iron lungs, insurance fires, our smothered young.
Always the first one on the scene.
A pyromantic midsummer nights dream.

Thank you lord:
1) for this oil slick.
2) for her car wreck.
3) for I'm lovesick.

Heaven sent us a redeemer, but Hell tried to his resolve.
And when you thought we were done for.
I pulled through.
While you rested your eyes in the driver seat,
I sat and watched you.
Always the first one on the scene.
A pyromantic midsummer nights dream.
Trust me. We'll wait for it, pray for it,
step on the brakes till we're over it,
under it, screaming like bombs for it.
Oh dear me, I've done it again.

Thank you lord:
4) for the loaded gun.
5) for the bad aim.
6) for I'm lonesome.

God is smiling down on us,
he shines his grace on everyone.

Edit: I do not relate to these lyrics and I don't see why they are put on a high plateau than other bands. I'm sure some people enjoy this kind of stuff though.

God I love this fucking song.

[hXc_pwnage]

I know.

What is this kid thinking?

[hXc_pwnage]

Oh, you forgot something.

PS: The greatest lovers were murderers first.

[Pat Marquez]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Let's take an excert from Buddy's amazing lyrics.

So love me gently with a chainsaw (chainsaw)
I'll leave you like your father did.
I'll bite your lip so fucking, so hard.
And watch the innocence just drip
Dude, get over this whole "you need to play music to understand" shit. You can take a fucking listen and realize that a DEP song is much more intricate then a fucking SIMPLE PLAN / SENSES FAIL song for shits sake dude.

The main point is Kevin - that you are not going to win any argument by defending Senses Fail.

[Pat Marquez]

Dude, get over this whole "you need to play music to understand" shit. You can take a fucking listen and realize that a DEP song is much more intricate then a fucking SIMPLE PLAN / SENSES FAIL song for shits sake dude.

The main point is Kevin - that you are not going to win any argument by defending Senses Fail.
Why would you even bother trying to defend a band such as them? I don't get it.

[hXc_pwnage]

Hahahahaahhh.

[Pat Marquez]

Holy shit o! It makes sense now..

Your the kid who fucking likes Korn.

[Pat Marquez]

TJ, I didn't mean to quote you.

Pat, I didn't mean to either.

Wait.. I'm Pat.

[hXc_pwnage]

Hahaha, yeah. I figured. The new way Tate set things up takes a bit to get used to.

Hahahahahaha.

[TheAcademyROCKS]

saying ashlee with a norma jean shirt is bad is just crossing the line of being cynical....i mean sure calling simple plan a bunch of sell outs and jokes to the genre now is ok...but who cares what the hell she wears serious lol

[FinchBulldog2]

Once they are better musicians than 95% of the bands I listen to, I'll eat my tongue, foot, asshole, dick, and testicles at once.

And since I don't have a penis or testicles, that's never happening.
Hope you're hungry.

Holy shit o! It makes sense now..

Your the kid who fucking likes Korn.
O ya and you're that elitist douche bag. I like alot of bands more than them, but I feel the need to defend them, Simple Plan, Senses Fail, and any other band who gets more shit than they deserve from elitist scum who have no idea what they are talking about.

[YouMadeTheScene]

saying ashlee with a norma jean shirt is bad is just crossing the line of being cynical....i mean sure calling simple plan a bunch of sell outs and jokes to the genre now is ok...but who cares what the hell she wears serious lol

it was more of an example than anything else. i wasn't saying she is negative because she wears the hooide, i was saying that she labels herself as punk rock to mainstream america which in turn gives punk rock a negative conotation

[FinchBulldog2]

Dude, get over this whole "you need to play music to understand" shit. You can take a fucking listen and realize that a DEP song is much more intricate then a fucking SIMPLE PLAN / SENSES FAIL song for shits sake dude.

The main point is Kevin - that you are not going to win any argument by defending Senses Fail.
Why can you take a listen and know that? Because it's heavier or less catchy? I like all 3 bands but you would need to know theory.

[SunkistMxpx]

fine, but none of those things bug me. And how is Bowling For Soup degrading? they make fun pop-punk and never claimed to be or do anything different than that...


I also enjoy a good bowling for soup song here and there....who dosnt......heh

[Pat Marquez]

Hope you're hungry.


O ya and you're that elitist douche bag. I like alot of bands more than them, but I feel the need to defend them, Simple Plan, Senses Fail, and any other band who gets more shit than they deserve from elitist scum who have no idea what they are talking about.

Haha elitist scum? That sounds hot, I bet you I can get a lot of snatch with a name like that. How do I not know what I am talking about.. please inform me?

[SunkistMxpx]

Haha elitist scum? That sounds hot, I bet you I can get a lot of snatch with a name like that. How do I not know what I am talking about.. please inform me?


Speaking of snatch....a girl in my chemistry class today didnt know what that was.....she was humiliated horribly....but it was fun....then my teacher told me i was offensive.....some people need to just learn that snatch is more appropriate than puss, cunt....ect....

[YouMadeTheScene]

Ok im gonna try to put this to rest. It seems as if Kevin is not even arguing the fact about being able to tell good music only if you have prior musical expertise, I think he has moved on to the whole fact that he doesn't like when people absue ot other people's musical taste more than anything else. That's what it seems and I think that for the most part people are getting on his ass about the prior comment about the ability to tell whether music is good.

[aminorthreat55]

Why can you take a listen and know that? Because it's heavier or less catchy? I like all 3 bands but you would need to know theory.
You don't need to know theory (I assume you're talking about music theory), but it helps a little. I don't feel like getting into this argument but I'm just saying.

[FinchBulldog2]

Haha elitist scum? That sounds hot, I bet you I can get a lot of snatch with a name like that. How do I not know what I am talking about.. please inform me?
For example, you once said the Beatles were good songwriters but...(here you either said they weren't great musicians or there stuff is really easy to play).


Try learning the White album, Pat. Real fuckin easy.

[aminorthreat55]

For example, you once said the Beatles were good songwriters but...(here you either said they weren't great musicians or there stuff is really easy to play).


Try learning the White album, Pat. Real fuckin easy.
The Beatles are great songwriters but what they play varies. The general structure is relatively simple but after they stopped playing live in 1967 and spent as much time as humanly possible in the Abbey Road studios, their stuff became almost impossible to play because they didn't need to replicate it live and therefore go create whatever they wanted and go nuts with everything, like with "Strawberry Fields Forever".

[FinchBulldog2]

Ya, meaning they were great musicians as well as great songwriters.

[aminorthreat55]

Ya, meaning they were great musicians as well as great songwriters.
They were great musicians but George Martin had A LOT to do with it. Once again, on "Strawberry Fields Forever", that song would not exist without George Martin's help. Or maybe it would exist and just suck a whole lot.

[hXc_pwnage]

Anyone can make an impossible cd if you spend every waking moment in the studio.

And no one ever said that heavy music is the only good music.

[gmc14]

theres nothing wrong with BFS.
ashlee simpson doesnt effect punk music...

so id say women's pants on guys
agree 100%
ashlee simpson has nothing to do with punk music. I dunno that the chick pants wrecks the MUSIC per se, but it does make the punk community look bad as a whole

[Ryan Phantom]

ashlee simpson has nothing to do with punk music. she doesnt try to represent it. no one thinks she represents it. she's making rock/pop music. she has a bit of a "punk rock" wardrobe and attitude. but no one thinks she is punk music.

ps. girl pants are good things. and bowling for soup is nothing but another pop-punk band trying to get famous off of laughs.


so none of those things are doing anything wrong to punk music. i think message boards is whats wrong with punk music.

[aminorthreat55]

Just like in every sort of sub-culture or mass culture, people ruin it, the end.

[Chemical Love]

i think BFS are awful so i picked them. the other two i could care less about.

[VeloriumCamper]

im not punk enough to answer :animateds

[MuSiCiSLiFe5]

true.... true..... but the girls pants are also in the screamo/emo stuff too

ugh, they even made stereotypes that "emo" boys are gay.

I have even seen this trojan comercial of two "emo" boys who were wearing girl pants needing a condom so that they could fuck each other.

[tbag311]

Ok, as much as Bowling For Soup sucks, i'm pretty sure that they're been around for a LONG time......they just happened to get a hit that really sucked, like all their other songs. But hey, they've been around.

now girls pants on boys.....this fad must go :headshake

[Andy]

These Bowling assholes, since they were actually popular at one time or another.

[Andy]

OK, thats nice....but could you *drewl* elsewhere? like on the Good Charlotte boards or something...
Don't you see the Sex Pistols icon?

SHE'S A REAL PUNK! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

Certain bands excell at songwriting (New Found Glory, Senses Fail, Sugarcult, even Simple Plan)
Aaaaaaahahahahahaha

[trustmeimokay]

I still refuse to wear women's jeans.