Best Punk* Album Ever

[YouMadeTheScene]

Ok this may have been done before but I thought I'd throw it out there. This is purely and opinion thread and I hope there isn't much flaming. Now I put punk with a * because I am including any of the genres that fall under it from bands like Steel Train to Rancid to Starting Line to Bane to Mars Volta to Kevin Devine to Brand New etc etc.

So under the umbrella of the punk genre what do you think the best album ever is?

For me i think the best ever is Stay What You Are by Saves The Day.

[FinchBulldog2]

I agree.

[apoemtothedead]

Thursday- Full Collapse.

[Kif]

Brand New's "Deja Entendu"

[leika]

Rancid's ...And Out Come The Wolves, has been close to my heart for a very long time.

Bad Religion's Recipe For Hate, or Generator, very close to my heart.

AFI's Black Sails In The Sunset or The Art Of Drowning

[__asyouwere]

Bikini Kill- The singles.
Minor Threat- Out of Step.

Everytime I Die- Hot Damn. (non-punk but... *shrugs* whatevs...)

[Chemical Love]

i love at the drive-in - relationship of command.

[ALI.v.s.FRAZIER]

NOFX - punk in drublic
grade - under the radar
alkaline trio - goddammit

[The Big Timer]

Operation Ivy- "Energy" hands down.

[YourLatestVicti]

Brand New-Deja Entendu
Thursday-Full Collapse
Taking Back Sunday-Tell All Your Friends(I'm real biased on this one because this is one of the first "punk" CDs I bought.

[The Big Timer]

....I guess I'm just showing my age with the Op Ivy. :huh:

[VeloriumCamper]

Brand New-Deja Entendu
Thursday-Full Collapse
Taking Back Sunday-Tell All Your Friends(I'm real biased on this one because this is one of the first "punk" CDs I bought.

good choices, id say Brand New or Taking Back Sunday out of those...personally....

or i could go with Refused...either CD, theyre both masterpieces

[BrandNew20]

alot of good ones have been said, I'd just like to add Rx Bandits-Progress to the discussion.

[Pat Marquez]

Haha.

[FinchBulldog2]

Out of actual punk, I'd have to say The Clash - London Calling.

[exthuse]

Imo, this band probably along with The Clash, Pistols and others paved the way for some of todays punk bands and darker bands. So i'm going to go with The Misfits - Static Age

[poppa Q]

i did as well.

[The_Crowing]

alot of good ones have been said, I'd just like to add Rx Bandits-Progress to the discussion.

Thats a great album to add. I would like to say the Mars Volta- De-loused in the Comatorium and possibly Frances the Mute.

[sweethypocrisy]

gud charlot-croniculs of lif and deth

[LostInTheCrowd]

Brand New - Deja Entendu
Rancid - And Out Come The Wolves.....
and
Audio Karate - Lady Melody (Thats one of my personal favorites.)

[AloneInTheDark]

Brand New- Your Favorite Weapon
TBS- TAYF

[Alan Rupp]

this thread makes me want to puke, but yet I'll contribute anyway:

Black Flag - Damaged
Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady
Descendents - Milo Goes to College
Youth of Today - Break Down the Walls

[Thomas Sway]

I hope half these entries are jokes. lol.

[Alan Rupp]

I hope half these entries are jokes. lol.
this one has to be:
Thats a great album to add. I would like to say the Mars Volta- De-loused in the Comatorium and possibly Frances the Mute.

[Tanooki Suit]

The Clash - London Calling
Television - Marquee Moon
At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command

[YourLatestVicti]

I hope half these entries are jokes. lol.
I know for me personally I am relatively new to the "scene" and I haven't heard many of what others may consider classic. But the ones I listed are the best/my favorite ones that I have heard. I am constantly checking out older bands and I will probally end up checking out a bunch of these but I can only comment on what I have heard.

[Thomas Sway]

Of the albums that would probably be considered top 10, I would probably pick At The Drive In - Relationship of Command. That's definitely my favorite one to listen to, and the one I still put in the most frequently.

I know for me personally I am relatively new to the "scene" and I haven't heard many of what others may consider classic. But the ones I listed are the best/my favorite ones that I have heard. I am constantly checking out older bands and I will probally end up checking out a bunch of these but I can only comment on what I have heard.
:) I like that you responded to this without getting angry and irrational. You knew that simply by responding you'd be telling me to shut up, or defending yourself, and that you didn't need to add anything aggressive. Very slick :) I respect that.

And definitely take the time to check out some of the older albums that are so well remembered. Some of them are amazing. Others, you won't like nearly as much, and wont listen to that often, but you'll have a whole new appreciation for the stuff you listen to now, because you can see it's roots.

[Samuel]

at the drive in-relationship
blink-take off...

[Thomas Sway]

i am starting to think that atdi may be my favorite album ever honestly.

[Tanooki Suit]

I can't believe no one else here loves Television. And why hasn't anyone picked Richard Hell yet?

[Thomas Sway]

I can't believe no one else here loves Television. And why hasn't anyone picked Richard Hell yet?
Dude. I honestly have never heard Television. I always was told I need to check them out, but I just never did. Do you have a fileshare on them?

[trustmeimokay]

I came to this conclusion yesterday.

Northstar - Pollyanna

[Alan Rupp]

I can't believe no one else here loves Television. And why hasn't anyone picked Richard Hell yet?
I think Television's boring and I've never heard Richard Hell

[duffe]

NOFX "Punk In Drublic"
Brand New "Your Favorite Weapon"
Alkaline Trio "From Here To Infirmary"

[irthesteve]

under the whole "umbrella" i'd have to go with deja entendu for now, and i know the "true punk" people wont care for this thread, but i never really got into "real" punk so im sticking with my brand new

[aolsux]

NoFx - Punk In Drublic

I came to this conclusion yesterday.

Northstar - Pollyanna
quite possibly my favorite album ever along with the other two in the trifecta Say Anything - Is A Real Boy and Brand New - Deja Entendu

[skYcriesforme]

At The Drive In - In/Casino/Out
Brand New - Deja Entendu
Taking Back Sunday - Tell All Your Friends
Thursday - Full Collapse

No, these aren't jokes, these albums all meant a lot to me at some point. I still enjoy all of them because of it.

[Requ|em]

Strung Out - Twisted By Design
Propagandhi - Todays Empire, Tomorrow Ashes
Refused - The Shape Of Punk To Come


there is so many (Choke, Thrice, Mars Volta .... )

[shane hennessey]

elvis costello- this years model

[FinchBulldog2]

I think Television's boring and I've never heard Richard Hell
Couldn't you just look over at him to tell him that?

[XPaRiSiNfLaMeSX]

Tell All Your Friends by Taking Back Sunday...deal with it

AND

Full Collapse by Thursday

AND

Your Favorite Weapon by Brand New

[Alan Rupp]

Couldn't you just look over at him to tell him that?
haha, yes, but he already knows it

it's more like a statement to everyone in response to his question

[FinchBulldog2]

haha, yes, but he already knows it

it's more like a statement to everyone in response to his question
haha i c.

[Web250]

I could list a few..."punk" is such a large genre.
Thursday - Full Collapse
Brand New - Both albums
Fugazi - 13 Songs
Saves the day - TBC
TBS- TAYF (cant leave it out...sorry)

[Scott Weber]

Ok this may have been done before but I thought I'd throw it out there. This is purely and opinion thread and I hope there isn't much flaming. Now I put punk with a * because I am including any of the genres that fall under it from bands like Steel Train to Rancid to Starting Line to Bane to Mars Volta to Kevin Devine to Brand New etc etc.

So under the umbrella of the punk genre what do you think the best album ever is?

For me i think the best ever is Stay What You Are by Saves The Day.
steel train does not fall under punk in any way, shape or form. the genre hasn't gotten THAT big, guys.

[FallingOut]

Actually "punk" cds...

Millencolin-Pennybridge Pioneers.

owns you

[varock]

bad religion - suffer
minor threat - complete discography
black flag - damaged

[bigal00004]

Brand New - Deja Entend

[Alan Rupp]

As much as I love Deja Entendu, do people miss the complete concept of best ever?

In theory, this shouldn't be based on personal enjoyment, but that should be one criterion for a greater judgment.

If someone tries to justify that Deja is better (in the context of "greatest punk album ever") than Damaged, I'll flip.

[skYcriesforme]

As much as I love Deja Entendu, do people miss the complete concept of best ever?

In theory, this shouldn't be based on personal enjoyment, but that should be one criterion for a greater judgment.

If someone tries to justify that Deja is better (in the context of "greatest punk album ever") than Damaged, I'll flip.

This is what bothers me, why does greatest have to be an objective thing? For me it's very much subjective.. Objectively Led Zepplin may be one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Subjectively you can shoot me in the head before i'd ever listen to ANY of that.

Brand New means a lot to me, and therefore to ME it is one of the greatest.

[Drew Beringer]

ATD-I "Relationship of Command"
Weezer "Pinkerton"
blink 182 "Dude Ranch"
TBS "Tell All Your Friends"

[Alan Rupp]

This is what bothers me, why does greatest have to be an objective thing? For me it's very much subjective.. Objectively Led Zepplin may be one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Subjectively you can shoot me in the head before i'd ever listen to ANY of that.

Brand New means a lot to me, and therefore to ME it is one of the greatest.
Because music, as an art form, is completely objective. Art can be judged to be moving, innovative, having a widespread effect, etc. and that can also apply to music. A dad might like his son's drawing that he hangs over his computer in his cubicle, but that doesn't mean it's "greater" than the Mona Lisa. I'd hope you wouldn't even admit to that.

Music IS objective, no matter how you look at it. I like Deja a lot more than I like a few of the albums on my list, but in my opinion those would qualify as the greatest ever because of their effect, innovation, ability to stand the test of time, etc.

[leika]

Well... what can you do. Maybe the person has never seen Mona Lisa.


Maybe Brand New is all these kids have.

[jaimej]

Definitely Relationship of Command and London Calling. Who doesn't love The Clash?

And I've gotta add Full Collapse. Because we all know how i feel about Mr. Rickly. The man can do no wrong. ;)

[skYcriesforme]

Because music, as an art form, is completely objective. Art can be judged to be moving, innovative, having a widespread effect, etc. and that can also apply to music. A dad might like his son's drawing that he hangs over his computer in his cubicle, but that doesn't mean it's "greater" than the Mona Lisa. I'd hope you wouldn't even admit to that.

Music IS objective, no matter how you look at it. I like Deja a lot more than I like a few of the albums on my list, but in my opinion those would qualify as the greatest ever because of their effect, innovation, ability to stand the test of time, etc.

I suppose you make good points. However this brings up the main thing I would normally argue in this stiuation, that it is missing the point of 'art' to rate and judge it on an objective level. The purpose of art and music is personal and without personal meaning or value it would be useless/pointless. I can look at a list of the "100 top albums" in Rolling Stone, and be like "cool.. like 3 of these matter to me even remotely" .

It just seems stupid to even rank things like that, Art in ALL forms should be personal. Even ranking "the greatest person" in the world is ridiculous.. it will be different to each individual, and while praise is deserved for some for their accomplishments, it is impossible and ridiculous to attempt to rank people in that way.

Well... what can you do. Maybe the person has never seen Mona Lisa.


Maybe Brand New is all these kids have.

I've seen the Mona Lisa, but I still have a 3-year-old's drawing that means a lot to me on my fridge. Forced to choose to burn one: i'd burn the Mona Lisa any day and guaranteed so would the majority of the world if compared to their favorite piece of art. So for this reason; why must it be ranked as the greatest, or one of the greatest?

[jaimej]

Maybe Brand New is all these kids have.
I like how you refer to the majority as "kids" though i'm 5 years your senior. And you put down Brand New, who are incredible IMHO, yet are currently listening to Finch.

[Tanooki Suit]

Erection.

[jaimej]

Erection.
Don't tease me lover. ;) haha

[leika]

I like how you refer to the majority as "kids" though i'm 5 years your senior. And you put down Brand New, who are incredible IMHO, yet are currently listening to Finch.


AHHH I didn't put down Brand New, they're amazing. I wouldn't dare. Sorry I'll try not to say 'kids' anymore. I really didn't mean it THAT way.

[Alan Rupp]

I suppose you make good points. However this brings up the main thing I would normally argue in this stiuation, that it is missing the point of 'art' to rate and judge it on an objective level. The purpose of art and music is personal and without personal meaning or value it would be useless/pointless. I can look at a list of the "100 top albums" in Rolling Stone, and be like "cool.. like 3 of these matter to me even remotely" .

It just seems stupid to even rank things like that, Art in ALL forms should be personal. Even ranking "the greatest person" in the world is ridiculous.. it will be different to each individual, and while praise is deserved for some for their accomplishments, it is impossible and ridiculous to attempt to rank people in that way.
This isn't true. The purpose of art is NOT personal. Art has a purpose on so many different levels far beyond that. It's true that it's always some sort of an expression, but it's not always "personal." There are endless pieces of art that have no personal substance at all, but are considered the greatest paintings of all time. Bernini was anything but a Catholic, but yet he crafted some of the most amazing sculptures of angels, David, famous saints, church officials, etc. Those works probably had no personal value to him at all, and were definitely not personal expressions. It was form and aesthetic that he was worried about. Therefore, the art becomes objective (to an extent).

I agree that rankings are somewhat stupid, but there are things that are undeniable. It is undeniable that Pet Sounds is a better pop album than A-Teens. That is fact. Pure and simple. So to a certain extent ranking is possible, although through bits of personal opionion (subjectivity) the lists can vary slightly.

[jaimej]

AHHH I didn't put down Brand New, they're amazing. I wouldn't dare. Sorry I'll try not to say 'kids' anymore. I really didn't mean it THAT way.
Gotcha. I guess I took your post the wrong way. All good.

[skYcriesforme]

This isn't true. The purpose of art is NOT personal. Art has a purpose on so many different levels far beyond that. It's true that it's always some sort of an expression, but it's not always "personal." There are endless pieces of art that have no personal substance at all, but are considered the greatest paintings of all time. Bernini was anything but a Catholic, but yet he crafted some of the most amazing sculptures of angels, David, famous saints, church officials, etc. Those works probably had no personal value to him at all, and were definitely not personal expressions. It was form and aesthetic that he was worried about. Therefore, the art becomes objective (to an extent).

I agree that rankings are somewhat stupid, but there are things that are undeniable. It is undeniable that Pet Sounds is a better pop album than A-Teens. That is fact. Pure and simple. So to a certain extent ranking is possible, although through bits of personal opionion (subjectivity) the lists can vary slightly.

Fair enough, good argument. Scene points for that.

[Tanooki Suit]

Alan can do what I can not. Namely stop bullets with his face.

[Alan Rupp]

Fair enough, good argument. Scene points for that.
Thank you, and I agree with a lot of what you said (I can admit that now that the argument's over, haha), but obviously not the overall idea.

[leika]

Gotcha. I guess I took your post the wrong way. All good.

Heh too late for me, I can't explain things how I mean them.
... But I wouldn't touch Brand New. ;)

[skYcriesforme]

Thank you, and I agree with a lot of what you said (I can admit that now that the argument's over, haha), but obviously not the overall idea.

Nothing I can say against a well thought-out argument. I believe there is truth in what I said, but what you said about art having many purposes is true as well, and I was only looking at one aspect and you called that. Well done.

[FinchBulldog2]

Yankees Suck!