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myantiyou
11/03/08, 03:53 PM
or anyone else that holds an interest in california's current propositions. I have a mock debate on proposition 11 (redistricting) for school and was just wondering what people thought about it, since it isn't as sensitive an issue as some other props such as 4 (abortion notification) or 8 (banning gay marriage).

from ballotpedia:

California Proposition 11, also known as the Voters FIRST Act, is proposed as an amendment (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Initiated_constitutional_amendment) to the California Constitution (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Constitution) through initiative (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Initiative).
Proposition 11 would change the process that is undertaken once every ten years of setting (which sometimes means re-drawing) the geographic boundaries of the state's 120 legislative districts and four Board of Equalization districts. At present, the task of setting these boundaries falls to the state legislature itself. If Proposition 11 passes, that task would instead be given to a new, 14-member commission.[1] (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposit ion_11_%282008%29#cite_note-0)
As the election campaign draws to a close, supporters of the Proposition 11 are a clear winner in the money-stakes; they've raised $14 million to promote its passage, versus the $1 million raised by opponents.
Specific provisions

Specifically:
It would change the authority for establishing the district boundaries of the California State Assembly (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_State_Assembly), California State Senate (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_State_Senate), and Board of Equalization from elected representatives to a 14-member commission.
It lays out how the members of that 14-member commission are to be chosen.
The commission must include five Democrats, five Republicans and four of neither party.
Government auditors are to select 60 registered voters from an applicant pool. Legislative leaders (Republican and Democrat leaders in the state senate and state assembly) can reduce the pool; the auditors then are to pick eight commission members by lottery, and those commissioners pick six additional members for 14 total.
For approval, district boundaries need votes from three Democratic commissioners, three Republican commissioners and three commissioners from neither party
The commission is to hire lawyers and consultants as needed. Qualifications for commission membership

In order to serve on the commission envisioned by Proposition 11, commission applicants must:
Be registered voters
Show consistent voter registration for the previous five years.
Have voted in two of the last three general elections.
In last 10 years, applicant or close relative cannot have been a federal or state political candidate, lobbyist or donor of $2,000 or more to a candidate.

Machu505
11/03/08, 03:54 PM
Fuck everyone who votes yes on Prop 8.

NickLopez
11/03/08, 04:01 PM
Prop 8 is GREAT!

themadsilentist
11/03/08, 04:16 PM
I think 11's a good bet. I voted for it, anyway.

saysmydoctor
11/03/08, 04:20 PM
While the qualifications are weak, I actually was a big advocate of this when I was in CA. Representatives try to gerrymander to gain more seats. It's ridiculous. Vote Yes.

eMart
11/03/08, 05:12 PM
I voted yes, though I'm still not sure about the committee being chosen.

Adeniz19
11/03/08, 05:22 PM
I think I'm voting no on this. Sounds good, but I question the qualifications of these officials they would hire for redistricting. Where is the accountability in this?

caitlinlee
11/03/08, 06:25 PM
Fuck everyone who votes yes on Prop 8.

This.

Someone took down my No On 8 sign! My bet is on the Mormons (church is right down the street).

myantiyou
11/03/08, 06:25 PM
I voted yes, though I'm still not sure about the committee being chosen.

don't know for sure how legit this is because of how biased it is, considering it's off of the no on prop 11 site, but:

http://www.noonprop11.org/uploads/Flow_chart.pdf

incredulous
11/03/08, 07:59 PM
Fuck everyone who votes yes on Prop 8.
I keep seeing so many Yes on 8 signs, it's ridiculous.

apoemtothedead
11/03/08, 08:12 PM
I think I'm voting no on this. Sounds good, but I question the qualifications of these officials they would hire for redistricting. Where is the accountability in this?
I voted no. I see this leading to a lot of backroom politics and bribes.

Adeniz19
11/04/08, 07:45 AM
I voted no. I see this leading to a lot of backroom politics and bribes.
yea, i don't see this solving anything