Punk/Emo/Hardcore/Indie/Etc. Artists Supporting John McCain

[drcroc]

Have you heard of any!?
Isn't there somthing fishy if there are none at all!?
Why does it seem that in every magazine I read all of the artists support the Democratic side?
What is the cause of this bias?
Does an allegiance to your scene mean an allegiance to the Democratic political party?

Comments on this matter...

[Paulb-182]

Erm, no, but the guitarist from Aerosmith has come out to support McCain

[Rodeo]

The Vandals and Guttermouth are republicans.

[chelsea [cult]]

Because so called 'Rockers' are typically more toward the liberal side. And democrats demonstraight slightly more liberal ideas.

[Nevuk]

Maybe ironically...

[Hainzey X]

the palin white t's.

[Jumpoff]

The only way to be punk rawk is to be conservative.

[ThemChains]

;25604532']Because so called 'Rockers' are typically more toward the liberal side. And democrats demonstraight slightly more liberal ideas.

I love demonstraighting.

[absolutecrunk]

Demon Straight = new name of my goth metal band now

[Jumpoff]

I love demonstraighting.

I love demongaying.

Grats on Prestige man.

[ThemChains]

Demon Straight = new name of my goth metal band now

Black people like metal? Or do they love it?

[absolutecrunk]

EVEN LOVE IT?! Well, I've seen a lot of things in this lifetime, my friends, but a black girl liking rock music? I'm afraid I'm just not that open minded.

[ThemChains]

EVEN LOVE IT?! Well, I've seen a lot of things in this lifetime, my friends, but a black girl liking rock music? I'm afraid I'm just not that open minded.

She needs to be in the controversial opinions thread. Someone in there was totally not into what I said. Haha.

[Villanova1L]

Thought I read the dude from Forever The Sickest Kids was a huge republican douchebag (read on this site somewhere, not my opinion).

[ThemChains]

Thought I read the dude from Forever The Sickest Kids was a huge republican douchebag (read on this site somewhere, not my opinion).

Everyone in Forever The Sickest Kids is a douchebag, he really isn't breaking the mold too much.

[Hojonny]

I love demonstraighting.

Me to. Demonstraighting is the only wai to show peaple how yuu feal.

[Regards]

EVEN LOVE IT?! Well, I've seen a lot of things in this lifetime, my friends, but a black girl liking rock music? I'm afraid I'm just not that open minded.
Lol, what a great thread.

[thespearkid]

I'm pretty sure being a Replubican instantly removes any punk cred one may have.

[Chris Fallon]

Doesn't it defeat the purpose of being a punk band if you support a Republican?

[summer skin]

qmKgITJejfg
Proved everyone in this thread wrong.

[abusedcat]

http://www.conservativepunk.com/

[chelsea [cult]]

I love demonstraighting.


yea, i spell bad.
and my grammar is even whorse.

[x togepi x]

Have you heard of any!?
Isn't there somthing fishy if there are none at all!?
Why does it seem that in every magazine I read all of the artists support the Democratic side?
What is the cause of this bias?
Does an allegiance to your scene mean an allegiance to the Democratic political party?

Comments on this matter...

Artists tend to be liberal. Nothing fishy about that at all.

[x togepi x]

Doesn't it defeat the purpose of being a punk band if you support a Republican?

Conservative Punk isn't punk. it's based on revisionist history. they're just trying to make conservativism look cool.

[AP_Punk]

according to John Mccain's daughter, Meghan, "the only way to be punk rock is to be conservative"

lulz (http://www.punknews.org/article/31097)

[Jumpoff]

I always thought Conservativism was pretty much following the constitution by the letter with government not having as much power, while liberalism was government has more power.. so conservative seems more "punk" to me, but really its not like any of the GOP canidates in the last few elections have been conservative in that way at all..

[x togepi x]

rich girls don't know shit about anything.

[micahistheballs]

McCain ups the punx.

[x togepi x]

I always thought Conservativism was pretty much following the constitution by the letter with government not having as much power, while liberalism was government has more power.. so conservative seems more "punk" to me, but really its not like any of the GOP canidates in the last few elections have been conservative in that way at all..

the constitution was anti-human rights.
punk is pro-human rights.

fuck conservatives and fuck conservative punks.

[SickOfStars]

hooooooooooooooooo boy

[theguy77]

the constitution was anti-human rights.
punk is pro-human rights.

fuck conservatives and fuck conservative punks.

intrigued by this. explain?

[SickOfStars]

intrigued by this. explain?

I'm pretty sure slavery was at least implicitly (maybe explicitly) mentioned. There are a few other things too, I'm just too lazy to refresh myself and draw them out. Togz will be back to do so, I'm sure.

[x togepi x]

intrigued by this. explain?

it explicitly says that slaves were 3/5ths of human beings. it sets up an aristocratic society. it only really gives rights to white male landowners.

[Burn That Shit]

If you don't follow the constitution you're grounded.

[summer skin]

it explicitly says that slaves were 3/5ths of human beings. it sets up an aristocratic society. it only really gives rights to white male landowners.

nothin' wrong with that!

[MorningWillCome]

http://www.conservativepunk.com/

came in here to post this, i remember when i came across that site a few years ago and was pretty baffled by the idea of a 'conservative punk'

[abusedcat]

In this day and age, being conservative is the punk thing to do, almost.

[Nevuk]

nothin' wrong with that!
I'd be considered a sub-human giant.... not that things have changed much.

[theguy77]

nothin' wrong with that!

banter

[briewer]

Have you heard of any!?
Isn't there somthing fishy if there are none at all!?
Why does it seem that in every magazine I read all of the artists support the Democratic side?
What is the cause of this bias?
Does an allegiance to your scene mean an allegiance to the Democratic political party?

Comments on this matter...

Because people who are more right-brained tend to be more liberal, and vice versa. That's why the media is considered to have a liberal bias, because being a reporter is a more artistic than logical profession and therefore more likely to be liberal. I'm sure if you interviewed a ton of business people or accountants they would be overwhelmingly conservative. It's just their nature.

[Jumpoff]

Because people who are more right-brained tend to be more liberal, and vice versa. That's why the media is considered to have a liberal bias, because being a reporter is a more artistic than logical profession and therefore more likely to be liberal. I'm sure if you interviewed a ton of business people or accountants they would be overwhelmingly conservative. It's just their nature.

I always thought that was bullshit.. it seems more likely that business people/accountants would be more conservative because they are upper class, not because they use whatever side of the brain..

[x togepi x]

In this day and age, being conservative is the punk thing to do, almost.

sure, if you want to ignore everything punk stands for and just go with the media's conception of it as mindless rebellion.

[hurryupbrett]

the constitution was anti-human rights.
punk is pro-human rights.

fuck conservatives and fuck conservative punks.

oh ya, i almost forgot that the bill of rights is anti-human rights.

[x togepi x]

oh ya, i almost forgot that the bill of rights is anti-human rights.

You also didn't read where i explained exactly what I meant, but you're probably a white dude, so you don't really care about anyone else.

[hurryupbrett]

You also didn't read where i explained exactly what I meant, but you're probably a white dude, so you don't really care about anyone else.

ya i am white.
and at the time, slaves were considered property, not citizens

[Nevuk]

I think I've realized I'm racist against white people. Is there something wrong with that?

[x togepi x]

ya i am white.
and at the time, slaves were considered property, not citizens

and the fact that the constitution specifically stated that slaves were not real human beings makes it anti-human rights. as well as the fact that it's way hard to amend, stifling social progress.

[hurryupbrett]

and the fact that the constitution specifically stated that slaves were not real human beings makes it anti-human rights. as well as the fact that it's way hard to amend, stifling social progress.

can you site another example in the constitution that would be an overriding factor for the constitution being "anti-human rights"

[x togepi x]

can you site another example in the constitution that would be an overriding factor for the constitution being "anti-human rights"

women had no status
homosexuals have no status
the process is purposely conservative (meaning slow, not meaning right wing)
the electoral college was set up as a way to keep aristocratic rule under the guise of democracy instead of popular vote

it essentially excluded any group possible besides white men who owned land.

[briewer]

I always thought that was bullshit.. it seems more likely that business people/accountants would be more conservative because they are upper class, not because they use whatever side of the brain..

Movie stars and journalists are pretty well off also. If you have a more accurate correlation than profession, I'd like to hear it.

[absolutecrunk]

The only people who think journalists are well off are people who are aspiring to become journalists.

[Nerdy91]

the palin white t's.
funniest thing ever

[Jumpoff]

I think I've realized I'm racist against white people. Is there something wrong with that?

I get that feeling sometimes myself.

[the thread]

I find it entertaining how punks these day think that being subversive or going against the tide means voting democrat. There is little to no degree of separation between the two major parties that if you think you're doing something "revolutionary" by voting for Obama you have to only watch MTV, or listen to every word Fatass Mike spews. Like how all these punk labels want kids to register to vote, but only if they are going to vote Democrat, otherwise if you're conservative or centrist, forget about it, you don't deserve the right.

I did my part by not voting for president at all. Take that you sheep.

[x togepi x]

I find it entertaining how punks these day think that being subversive or going against the tide means voting democrat. There is little to no degree of separation between the two major parties that if you think you're doing something "revolutionary" by voting for Obama you have to only watch MTV, or listen to every word Fatass Mike spews. Like how all these punk labels want kids to register to vote, but only if they are going to vote Democrat, otherwise if you're conservative or centrist, forget about it, you don't deserve the right.

I did my part by not voting for president at all. Take that you sheep.

voting democrat was a repudiation of everything people have been rebelling against. sitting around and not doing it isn't revolutionary (not that the vote itself is either). a lot has to be done but there's a better chance that a less corrupt democratic majority and president are going to do anything than mccain and more of the same.

[theguy77]

women had no status
homosexuals have no status
the process is purposely conservative (meaning slow, not meaning right wing)
the electoral college was set up as a way to keep aristocratic rule under the guise of democracy instead of popular vote

it essentially excluded any group possible besides white men who owned land.

yeah you know i was really watching that this election, how is the electoral college really supposed to represent us? the two coincided for the same result and im happy with that result so im not complaining about this particular instance, but what the fuck is an actual electoral vote with reference to popular vote?

[theguy77]

I find it entertaining how punks these day think that being subversive or going against the tide means voting democrat. There is little to no degree of separation between the two major parties that if you think you're doing something "revolutionary" by voting for Obama you have to only watch MTV, or listen to every word Fatass Mike spews. Like how all these punk labels want kids to register to vote, but only if they are going to vote Democrat, otherwise if you're conservative or centrist, forget about it, you don't deserve the right.

I did my part by not voting for president at all. Take that you sheep.

if you think you're doing something "revolutionary" by not taking part and by claiming both parties are exactly the same then you're pretty mistaken. im happy to have voted for the capitalist who has good, fresh ideas for the economy as opposed to the capitalist who follows disproven economic policies that will lead us to failure. and lets not get started on the latter's take on the already radical american foreign policy and involvement.

[Regards]

I find it entertaining how punks these day think that being subversive or going against the tide means voting democrat. There is little to no degree of separation between the two major parties that if you think you're doing something "revolutionary" by voting for Obama you have to only watch MTV, or listen to every word Fatass Mike spews. Like how all these punk labels want kids to register to vote, but only if they are going to vote Democrat, otherwise if you're conservative or centrist, forget about it, you don't deserve the right.

I did my part by not voting for president at all. Take that you sheep.
Yup, you showed them.

[x togepi x]

i wouldn't say obama is the capitalist with good, fresh ides for the economy. he's just the capitalist who isn't going to keep doing what bush has been even though it obviously doesn't work.

[the thread]

voting democrat was a repudiation of everything people have been rebelling against. sitting around and not doing it isn't revolutionary (not that the vote itself is either). a lot has to be done but there's a better chance that a less corrupt democratic majority and president are going to do anything than mccain and more of the same.


Of course. Obviously with Dems as the majority, hopefully decent legislation will be able to be pushed through. Thats why if Obama fails miserably these 4 years, there's no one to blame but himself, considering he's got the ability and the backing.

What I was simply saying, is how a majority of the American public believes that both parties are so radically different, when in reality, they are not. Many other countries have representation from all across the board. Here we have to marginally centrist parties that differ very little in a de facto sense. Seeing this, and seeing that both candidates up for election this year are pretty awful, I have no problem not voting. If someone held a gun to my head, I would vote Obama, hands down. The past 8 years have been dreadful and in no way would I support legislation that would continue that. But we have to be kidding ourselves if we think that the Democrats are going to make such a huge radical change in this country.

I firmly believe, and no matter what you say will change my opinion on this, that unless we revise our electoral systems and our representative parties, many great people, ideas, and groups who could do more for you and i will never have a chance. We've been backed into this sub-par two party system that in actuality represents very little, but since thats all we can vote for, we're all stuck. It seems as punks you'd be wanting actual change and working towards it, instead of choosing convenience.

And to theguy77, you're grasping at straws.

[zeropunk16]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/zeropunk16/6.jpg

[Rodeo]

I did my part by not voting for president at all. Take that you sheep.



lolololol.

[Rodeo]

Of course. Obviously with Dems as the majority, hopefully decent legislation will be able to be pushed through. Thats why if Obama fails miserably these 4 years, there's no one to blame but himself, considering he's got the ability and the backing.

What I was simply saying, is how a majority of the American public believes that both parties are so radically different, when in reality, they are not. Many other countries have representation from all across the board. Here we have to marginally centrist parties that differ very little in a de facto sense. Seeing this, and seeing that both candidates up for election this year are pretty awful, I have no problem not voting. If someone held a gun to my head, I would vote Obama, hands down. The past 8 years have been dreadful and in no way would I support legislation that would continue that. But we have to be kidding ourselves if we think that the Democrats are going to make such a huge radical change in this country.

I firmly believe, and no matter what you say will change my opinion on this, that unless we revise our electoral systems and our representative parties, many great people, ideas, and groups who could do more for you and i will never have a chance. We've been backed into this sub-par two party system that in actuality represents very little, but since thats all we can vote for, we're all stuck. It seems as punks you'd be wanting actual change and working towards it, instead of choosing convenience.

And to theguy77, you're grasping at straws.


Yeah, but you didn't vote... so you have no right to talk at all. You negated that by ignoring your civic duty.

[zeropunk16]

Yeah, but you didn't vote... so you have no right to talk at all. You negated that by ignoring your civic duty.

But this is the US. We have the choice to not vote.

[Jumpoff]

But this is the US. We have the choice to not vote.

Yes he has the right to not vote. And at the same time, say if McCain won, he can't really complain if the person elected doesn't do their job if he chose not to vote...

[Rodeo]

But this is the US. We have the choice to not vote.


Right, we do...but after we make that choice we give up the right to bitch about it.

[Rodeo]

hahahha. awesome. by far my favorite poster.

[the thread]

Yeah, but you didn't vote... so you have no right to talk at all. You negated that by ignoring your civic duty.

Thats fucking bullshit. I completely disagree. I managed to vote for all my local elections (which affect me more directly anyhow), but because I didn't vote for president I can't complain? As if your vote mattered anyhow. In all actuality the election should've been closer according to the popular vote, but in the electoral college it was an absolute blowout. Good thing you voted!

I honestly feel that this voting system is flawed, broken, busted and is a rusting heap thats been sitting in a field for the past 50 years. Neither one of the TWO major parties we have represent me at all, so why would I vote for them? To vote for a third party is throwing away a vote as well. As far as I see it, me choosing to continue to take part in something that I feel is run improperly would be complicitly going along with it and saying that its fine as it is, and of course I don't think its fine. You, just like every 5th grader in this country believes that one can't be a good American or have a political stance unless they vote. I strongly advise you to take a politics course.

[zeropunk16]

Right, we do...but after we make that choice we give up the right to bitch about it.

Amen to that. I just really wanna hear anyone from FTSK bitch about McCain not winning.

[shit stroll]

i'm pretty sure i saw brendan kelly on t.v. last night at obama's victory celebration.

[Rodeo]

Thats fucking bullshit. I completely disagree. I managed to vote for all my local elections (which affect me more directly anyhow), but because I didn't vote for president I can't complain? As if your vote mattered anyhow. In all actuality the election should've been closer according to the popular vote, but in the electoral college it was an absolute blowout. Good thing you voted!

I honestly feel that this voting system is flawed, broken, busted and is a rusting heap thats been sitting in a field for the past 50 years. Neither one of the TWO major parties we have represent me at all, so why would I vote for them? To vote for a third party is throwing away a vote as well. As far as I see it, me choosing to continue to take part in something that I feel is run improperly would be complicitly going along with it and saying that its fine as it is, and of course I don't think its fine. You, just like every 5th grader in this country believes that one can't be a good American or have a political stance unless they vote. I strongly advise you to take a politics course.


How did you grow up to be so jaded and cynical? You're advising me to take a politics course? That's funny seeing as you know nothing about me or what I do. You're just pissed off because you fucked up by not voting and now you're trying to back-pedal.

I agree that the electoral college is a fucked system. But it was put in place at a time in the country where we did not have the technology to count every single vote. It was a measure so that we could know the President that night... not weeks from then.

Just because you "feel" something is wrong doesn't make you right. You're not revolutionary.. in fact... its fair to claim that nobody likes the electoral college.

[theguy77]

i wouldn't say obama is the capitalist with good, fresh ides for the economy. he's just the capitalist who isn't going to keep doing what bush has been even though it obviously doesn't work.

yeah and hes also not the one talking about spending freezes during a recession. doesnt mccain realize that that's part of what accelerated the economy into the first great depression?

[the thread]

How did you grow up to be so jaded and cynical? You're advising me to take a politics course? That's funny seeing as you know nothing about me or what I do. You're just pissed off because you fucked up by not voting and now you're trying to back-pedal.

I agree that the electoral college is a fucked system. But it was put in place at a time in the country where we did not have the technology to count every single vote. It was a measure so that we could know the President that night... not weeks from then.

Just because you "feel" something is wrong doesn't make you right. You're not revolutionary.. in fact... its fair to claim that nobody likes the electoral college.

Never said I was a revolutionary. It seems no one here has any sense of humor when it comes to politics. And you're right, I don't know you, all I know is what you say. And your comment about how I can't complain because I didn't vote strikes me as insipid and kinda childish. Whatever. I used to study political science until I realized that all politics do is annoy me and make me depressed at how lame and frustrating the system is. You're terribly far off the mark to say I'm "pissed because I didn't vote and now I'm trying to back-pedal." You don't know me at all either, so thats hardly the case. I feel I made it pretty clear as to why I didn't vote. Thats my decision and I stand by it, I won't ever be kicking myself if I never vote for president. I feel I have legit reasons to vote or not to vote. I am pissed when people feel they have a right to complain because they voted. Thats completely ludicrous.

[x togepi x]

Of course. Obviously with Dems as the majority, hopefully decent legislation will be able to be pushed through. Thats why if Obama fails miserably these 4 years, there's no one to blame but himself, considering he's got the ability and the backing.

What I was simply saying, is how a majority of the American public believes that both parties are so radically different, when in reality, they are not. Many other countries have representation from all across the board. Here we have to marginally centrist parties that differ very little in a de facto sense. Seeing this, and seeing that both candidates up for election this year are pretty awful, I have no problem not voting. If someone held a gun to my head, I would vote Obama, hands down. The past 8 years have been dreadful and in no way would I support legislation that would continue that. But we have to be kidding ourselves if we think that the Democrats are going to make such a huge radical change in this country.

I firmly believe, and no matter what you say will change my opinion on this, that unless we revise our electoral systems and our representative parties, many great people, ideas, and groups who could do more for you and i will never have a chance. We've been backed into this sub-par two party system that in actuality represents very little, but since thats all we can vote for, we're all stuck. It seems as punks you'd be wanting actual change and working towards it, instead of choosing convenience.

well i mean, i would say a lot of the "anti-establishment" people celebrating for obama aren't celebrating because they think obama is going to do amazing things or that they think the republicans and democrats are radically different, it's just that they know things will change a bit (or not get worse). a lot of people are saying that, looking at the electoral map, that this election might signal a shift from the right to the left, which is good if you're even further on the left because your positions seem less radical.

i mean look at what reagan did. he made the most crazy conservatives in the spectrum not only considered sane by the mainstream, but actually respectable and persuasive. i mean giving tax cuts to just the rich, the patriot act, attacking iraq, possible war with iran, none of these things would have been done without a shift to the right, and they're quite radical positions if you think about it. could a shift to the left cause things we might want to be given consideration by the mainstream? i think it's possible.

i just don't understand the last line of your post at all. it rests on a false dichotomy. just because one voted for the democrats doesn't mean they aren't "wanting actual change and wanting towards it". i sat at the watch party for obama with a bunch of marxist feminists who wanted him to get elected. it's not as if we thought that everything is going to be okay now.

[x togepi x]

yeah and hes also not the one talking about spending freezes during a recession. doesnt mccain realize that that's part of what accelerated the economy into the first great depression?

mccain already admitted back in last december that he didn't know anything about the economy.

[theguy77]

Of course. Obviously with Dems as the majority, hopefully decent legislation will be able to be pushed through. Thats why if Obama fails miserably these 4 years, there's no one to blame but himself, considering he's got the ability and the backing.

What I was simply saying, is how a majority of the American public believes that both parties are so radically different, when in reality, they are not. Many other countries have representation from all across the board. Here we have to marginally centrist parties that differ very little in a de facto sense. Seeing this, and seeing that both candidates up for election this year are pretty awful, I have no problem not voting. If someone held a gun to my head, I would vote Obama, hands down. The past 8 years have been dreadful and in no way would I support legislation that would continue that. But we have to be kidding ourselves if we think that the Democrats are going to make such a huge radical change in this country.

I firmly believe, and no matter what you say will change my opinion on this, that unless we revise our electoral systems and our representative parties, many great people, ideas, and groups who could do more for you and i will never have a chance. We've been backed into this sub-par two party system that in actuality represents very little, but since thats all we can vote for, we're all stuck. It seems as punks you'd be wanting actual change and working towards it, instead of choosing convenience.

And to theguy77, you're grasping at straws.

im not familiar with this expression, what does it mean?

and as for the previous paragraph in all honesty i didnt vote for obama because i thought he could implement radical changes to our country, i voted for him because i thought he could run the country better. the whole "change" dogma was just a campaigning stunt to get people on his side, but hes not gonna change the framework of the country hes just going to change the way the government has gone about things for the past 8 years, and in essence thats what most americans really wanted out of this election. obama also obviously represents change in our country because, hello, if you told anyone in 1965 wed have a black man running our country i mean you could start a riot over that shit. he epitomizes what's been accomplished since the civil rights movement, and even though that wasnt extended to ALL sects (i.e. homosexuals, weve actually taken a step BACKWARD as far as muslims or people who look middle eastern are concerned) weve still come a long way.

[theguy77]

mccain already admitted back in last december that he didn't know anything about the economy.

its still sad that even me, an 18 year old kid who still has a lot to learn about the framework of our country, knows that this is not the time for a spending freeze, while a 70-something man who's worked in the senate for decades doesnt.

[Khanate]

its still sad that even me, an 18 year old kid who still has a lot to learn about the framework of our country, knows that this is not the time for a spending freeze, while a 70-something man who's worked in the senate for decades doesnt.

QFE
<3

[GuitarR0cker1]

Why would any sane band have supported McCain?

[theguy77]

Why would any sane band have supported McCain?

cause they're racist, which is like, punk, brosk

[drcroc]

I always thought that was bullshit.. it seems more likely that business people/accountants would be more conservative because they are upper class, not because they use whatever side of the brain..

So...

If you're into this kind of music, and you've read both the "side of the brain" explanation and the "upper class" hypothesis... I ask you...

Can so-called punks and hardcore/emo/thrash/etc. people think for themselves? Why does everyone jump on the democratic/liberal bandwagon when election time comes around. I have never once seen such an artist publicly state his allegiance to the Republican party, EVER. And I can go in any magazine and see articles upon articles where artists urge young voters to vote, and express their allegiance to the Democratic party and/or bash Bush/all Republicans.

I'm waiting for an artist to tell the youth to think for themselves and to set an example when it comes to this ridiculous bias. I am not a supporter of the Republican party per se, I just feel that this is a subject that is rarely brought up in this "scene" or whatever you'd like to call it.

[x togepi x]

So...

If you're into this kind of music, and you've read both the "side of the brain" explanation and the "upper class" hypothesis... I ask you...

Can so-called punks and hardcore/emo/thrash/etc. people think for themselves? Why does everyone jump on the democratic/liberal bandwagon when election time comes around. I have never once seen such an artist publicly state his allegiance to the Republican party, EVER. And I can go in any magazine and see articles upon articles where artists urge young voters to vote, and express their allegiance to the Democratic party and/or bash Bush/all Republicans.

I'm waiting for an artist to tell the youth to think for themselves and to set an example when it comes to this ridiculous bias. I am not a supporter of the Republican party per se, I just feel that this is a subject that is rarely brought up in this "scene" or whatever you'd like to call it.

they have thought for themselves, and since they're not idiots, they didn't support mccain.

[Jumpoff]

So...

If you're into this kind of music, and you've read both the "side of the brain" explanation and the "upper class" hypothesis... I ask you...

Can so-called punks and hardcore/emo/thrash/etc. people think for themselves? Why does everyone jump on the democratic/liberal bandwagon when election time comes around. I have never once seen such an artist publicly state his allegiance to the Republican party, EVER. And I can go in any magazine and see articles upon articles where artists urge young voters to vote, and express their allegiance to the Democratic party and/or bash Bush/all Republicans.

I'm waiting for an artist to tell the youth to think for themselves and to set an example when it comes to this ridiculous bias. I am not a supporter of the Republican party per se, I just feel that this is a subject that is rarely brought up in this "scene" or whatever you'd like to call it.

Err why did you quote me?

[theguy77]

Err why did you quote me?

he wanted an excuse to attempt to be poignant

[shit stroll]

i'm pretty sure that members of pink razors are republicans.

[PopPunkKid]

I find it entertaining how punks these day think that being subversive or going against the tide means voting democrat. There is little to no degree of separation between the two major parties that if you think you're doing something "revolutionary" by voting for Obama you have to only watch MTV, or listen to every word Fatass Mike spews. Like how all these punk labels want kids to register to vote, but only if they are going to vote Democrat, otherwise if you're conservative or centrist, forget about it, you don't deserve the right.

I did my part by not voting for president at all. Take that you sheep.


A-fucking-men. I didn't vote either.


Anyways, at the Panic concert I went to last week, Ryan Ross was talking about "things changing" before they played "That Green Gentleman". He said "We'll also have a new president in office next week, whoever it may be".

I could be wrong, but nowadays usually when people DON'T publicly state their political opinion, it more often than not means their republican... and especially since Panic are on a VERY liberal person's label (Pete Wentz), I found it a little suprising that they didn't make an Obama comment. I'm just jumping to conclusions, I mean they could easily be democrat, but either way I thought it was cool that he said that without trying to push Obama.

[x togepi x]

i think it's hilarious that people are bragging about not voting. i'm so cool and revolutionary that i didn't spend five minutes doing something easy. look at me.

[Regards]

Speculating weather Panic At The Disco voted McCain or Obama is a wonderful way to spend the rest of my afternoon.

[Mxbaby511]

Speculating weather Panic At The Disco voted McCain or Obama is a wonderful way to spend the rest of my afternoon.



Really,,

[Poe-tryGirl]

Everyone in Forever The Sickest Kids is a douchebag, he really isn't breaking the mold too much.
No, not cool.

[Poe-tryGirl]

Speculating weather Panic At The Disco voted McCain or Obama is a wonderful way to spend the rest of my afternoon.

They probably voted Obama. Most of those guys-FOB, PATD, TAI-support Obama.

[Regards]

DO NOT CARE

x

[PopPunkKid]

Speculating weather Panic At The Disco voted McCain or Obama is a wonderful way to spend the rest of my afternoon.


Haha, I wasn't trying to speculate anything. I was just stating how I thought it was cool that they didn't try to force their politcal opinions when they had the chance to, while so many other entertainers do, and I have mad respect for that.

[x togepi x]

i'm not entirely sure how a band can "force their political opinions" on you. What, are you so weak minded that you can't listen to a band preach the good word without automatically changing your mind?

Do people who write shitty loves songs not force their shitty relationships onto you then?

It's not as if they tie you down and make you watch campaign videos all day.

[PopPunkKid]

Okay maybe "force" was a bad word, but I just think it's usually better for bands to stay out of politics in general.

[theguy77]

i'm not entirely sure how a band can "force their political opinions" on you. What, are you so weak minded that you can't listen to a band preach the good word without automatically changing your mind?

Do people who write shitty loves songs not force their shitty relationships onto you then?

It's not as if they tie you down and make you watch campaign videos all day.

good rhetoric

[x togepi x]

I think that's a terrible idea. If bands stayed out of politics, some of the greatest songs ever wouldn't have been written.

[Jumpoff]

I agree with Togepi. Dylan, Guthrie, Springsteen, etc etc would've never had the impact they had if they had ignored politics completely..

[love_american_style]

I went to a US Bombs show that the tour was in support of Ron Paul.

[x togepi x]

I agree with Togepi. Dylan, Guthrie, Springsteen, etc etc would've never had the impact they had if they had ignored politics completely..

that and the fact that a ton of early blues was political, so we wouldn't even have rock and roll based genres period. no bob marley, marvin gaye wouldn't be as good, etc.

[WakeUpBlondie]

NY0-uoxyxXUBlack people like metal? Or do they love it?

[Nevuk]

i think it's hilarious that people are bragging about not voting. i'm so cool and revolutionary that i didn't spend five minutes doing something easy. look at me.
I didn't vote from principle(dislike the political process of representation and don't think anything positive will ever arise from the system), but your vote actually matters, especially the youth vote (the more who vote, the more likely politicians are to actually do stuff for that demographic). Doesn't even particularly matter who you voted for.

[Nevuk]

I dislike highly topical political songs, that specifically only reference current issues. (Case in point : That ridiculous drilling for oil song)

[raychull]

DO NOT CARE

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This.

[born to expire]

Doesn't it defeat the purpose of being a punk band if you support a Republican?

In theory Republicans want small government. If you're thinking about the whole "up the punx" mentality, it would probably be more stereotypically "punk" to support a candidate that wants less government interference in your daily life. My two cents.

[hxctyhxc]

the palin white t's.
zing!

[x togepi x]

In theory Republicans want small government. If you're thinking about the whole "up the punx" mentality, it would probably be more stereotypically "punk" to support a candidate that wants less government interference in your daily life. My two cents.

punk is left wing, anti-government. Republicans want small government in the sense that it allows for free market economics, which punk is not a fan of. the problem with the republican of less government in your life is that it just shifts that power into more corporate interference.

but i think people forget the context of this election, which was really a rejection of bush style conservationism in many ways.

[cereal4life]

the palin white t's.

Zing! Man, I swear that isn't the first time that I've seen you come up with a real hum-dinger of a pun. Gold!

[Post-me]

I think most of the christian hardcore bands or christian rock bands are conservative so they voted McCain.

[Nevuk]

I think most of the christian hardcore bands or christian rock bands are conservative so they voted McCain.
This brings up a more valid question : is Christian hardcore punk?
(Or most christian music for that issue. I'm aware there is some, but I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks underoath embodies punk ideals)

[born to expire]

This brings up a more valid question : is Christian hardcore punk?
(Or most christian music for that issue. I'm aware there is some, but I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks underoath embodies punk ideals)

Christian hardcore is terrible but there have been countless hardcore bands that have used religion in their music. Look at Bad Brains, Cro-Mags, 108, etc. Even if it isn't "Christian," it would be totally unfair to say that religion and punk do not mix at all.

[x togepi x]

Christian hardcore is terrible but there have been countless hardcore bands that have used religion in their music. Look at Bad Brains, Cro-Mags, 108, etc. Even if it isn't "Christian," it would be totally unfair to say that religion and punk do not mix at all.

i think you guys are talking about two different conceptions of christian hardcore. i don't think what he's talking about is punk, but obviously what you're talking about is.

[Nevuk]

Christian hardcore is terrible but there have been countless hardcore bands that have used religion in their music. Look at Bad Brains, Cro-Mags, 108, etc. Even if it isn't "Christian," it would be totally unfair to say that religion and punk do not mix at all.
Yeah, it's a bit different. I'm referring to bands that first categorize themselves as "christian", rather than the genre they are playing.

Religion and music can mix well in certain genres, much of the jazz from the classic era was an attempt towards expressing spirituality through music.

[mattmatumbo]

michael graves is a bush supporter

[mattmatumbo]

I think most of the christian hardcore bands or christian rock bands are conservative so they voted McCain.

i disagree, most of the christian musicians i know are liberal/democrats. IE Hopesfall, i would like to know what anathallo and mewithoutyou's stance is on politics

[Dre Okorley]

GBH are republicans.

And I wouldnt be surprised if Paramore were supportive of him.