Something to share with my fellow conservatives.

[windmillninja]

I just read this over at Hotair.com, and it's perfect.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/04/congratulations-obama/

One of the last things Dean Barnett said to me was that, as best he could tell, Barack Obama is “a good guy and a decent man.” I don’t think he’d mind me telling you that, especially under the circumstances. It’s a testament to his generosity of spirit that even in the heat of a campaign, with every reason to think the worst of his opponent, Dean couldn’t help but give him the benefit of the doubt. That’s Barnett all over, and that’s what made him an indispensable man whom we’ve been forced, horrendously, to dispense with.


I offer that as comfort to those of you who have no faith in The One but who do have faith in, and abiding affection for, DB. My guess is he’d have handled the news tonight with the same magnanimity that distinguished all of his writing. So in that spirit, congratulations to Barry O on a race superbly run (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzZjY2E1Mzc0MDhiMGQ1ZDBkNzZiZGQ2 Zjc2NGRhZmM=) and to our country for not having let the wrong reasons (http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/president_barack_obama.php) deter it from making the wrong choice. I’ll never be a fan, but I swear I’ll never take a nutroots posture either in relishing his failures because it helps my party. Like it or not, he’s my president. As a great man once said, country first.


Emphasis mine.

Congratulations, Obama, indeed. I didn't vote for him, but I'm not going to play the juvenile "He's not my President!" game. It was one of the best-run campaigns I'd ever seen. I don't have much to add that isn't already said above. Just wanted to share with my fellow conservatives that this is not a time to be bitter and childish. If nothing else, give the office the respect it alone deserves.

[miketrondson]

It was definitely a hard campaign trail for both of them. I'm glad that there are people like you and the author of that article on the right. It's going to be an interesting term.

[Justin_stacy]

I'm glad that there are people like you and the author of that article on the right..

its a shame there weren't more like them on the left durring the last eight years.





*Turd Ferguson, I've forgotten all about that.

[open mind]

its a shame there weren't more like them on the left durring the last eight years.





*Turd Ferguson, I've forgotten all about that.

the bush administration got the benefit of the doubt for a good long while.......then they decided to go and lie us into a unneeded war, screw up the economy, abuse power, support torture, pardon those in his administration convicted of felonies, totally mishandle hurricane katrina, curb civil rights, and generally turn everything else they touched to shit.

[open mind]

Bush also cheated to win in 00. Obama won a fair race.

i don't believe he really won in 04 either but that's beside the point really.

[Justin_stacy]

Bush also cheated to win in 00. Obama won a fair race.

well there's no smile face with eyes rolling, but that would be fitting here.

[Justin_stacy]

the bush administration got the benefit of the doubt for a good long while........

come on, revisionist history is bullshit. From week one in Florida Democratic set the tone for the devisive eight years to follow. That's not to say Republcians didn't play their part in the game, but the tone in Washington was set from the get go with W.

Obama deserves a great measure of respect and time to prove whether his slogan are the real deal, just don't be surprised when the Republican minority returns the favors of the Bush years.

[open mind]

come on, revisionist history is bullshit. From week one in Florida Democratic set the tone for the devisive eight years to follow. That's not to say Republcians didn't play their part in the game, but the tone in Washington was set from the get go with W.

Obama deserves a great measure of respect and time to prove whether his slogan are the real deal, just don't be surprised when the Republican minority returns the favors of the Bush years.

not true.....he got a honeymoon period just like everyone else, 9/11 happened and the country fell into lockstep with him for a good year or so......and he ruined it by taking advantage of that to put alot of horrible policies in place and starting a war that wasn't needed.

[open mind]

well there's no smile face with eyes rolling, but that would be fitting here.

so you don't believe that the few hundred thousand votes catherine harris had thrown out changed the outcome of the election?

[miketrondson]

its a shame there weren't more like them on the left durring the last eight years.

I'm sure there were, until they were lied to.

the bush administration got the benefit of the doubt for a good long while.......then they decided to go and lie us into a unneeded war, screw up the economy, abuse power, support torture, pardon those in his administration convicted of felonies, totally mishandle hurricane katrina, curb civil rights, and generally turn everything else they touched to shit.

QFT.

[Justin_stacy]

not true.....he got a honeymoon period just like everyone else, 9/11 happened and the country fell into lockstep with him for a good year or so......and he ruined it by taking advantage of that to put alot of horrible policies in place and starting a war that wasn't needed.

I disagree completely.....he was shown nothing but disrepect from his contempraries in congress due to their perception of the 'fisaco' in Florida. There was no grace period, and no notion of bi-partisan attitude until september 11 happened and the Iraqi war came about.

[open mind]

I disagree completely.....he was shown nothing but disrepect from his contempraries in congress due to their perception of the 'fisaco' in Florida. There was no grace period, and no notion of bi-partisan attitude until september 11 happened and the Iraqi war came about.

i guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because even i gave bush the benefit of the doubt and a fair chance until we went into iraq.

[Justin_stacy]

i guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because even i gave bush the benefit of the doubt and a fair chance until we went into iraq.

Its sort of moot now. But I wouldn't expect open arms from congressional republicans to Obama, even from the ones who were less then thrilled with W.

[open mind]

Its sort of moot now. But I wouldn't expect open arms from congressional republicans to Obama, even from the ones who were less then thrilled with W.

of course not.
it's going to be the republicans job to try and make things impossible to get done and then blame the democrats for it.....kinda like the last couple years.

[Roboman]

well there's no smile face with eyes rolling, but that would be fitting here.

:rolleyes:

[saysmydoctor]

well there's no smile face with eyes rolling, but that would be fitting here.

:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

[Justin_stacy]

:rolleyes:

....and its like the fifth one down....:annoyed:

[Justin_stacy]

of course not.
it's going to be the republicans job to try and make things impossible to get done and then blame the democrats for it.....kinda like the last couple years.

I'm sure, now that democrats failed to get a filibuster proof margin in the senate, they're just edging to return the favor. Its a shame but bi-partisanship, unitier, aisle crosser.......are forever dead notions.

[Machu505]

the bush administration got the benefit of the doubt for a good long while.......then they decided to go and lie us into a unneeded war, screw up the economy, abuse power, support torture, pardon those in his administration convicted of felonies, totally mishandle hurricane katrina, curb civil rights, and generally turn everything else they touched to shit.

This.

Bush also cheated to win in 00. Obama won a fair race.

This. No recount, no care.

so you don't believe that the few hundred thousand votes catherine harris had thrown out changed the outcome of the election?

Yes.

[bobby runs]

As a Republican I voted Obama and am excited for what he's going to do.

I will support him up until the point he royally fucks up.

[Clockwork]

I've said this before, but even though I may not like the outcome, I'm still proud of this country. I love being an American, and I'm interested in seeing what happens over the next few years.

[Rockybehri]

Bush also cheated to win in 00. Obama won a fair race.

Yeah I heard he was personally in there throwing away ballots, and it had nothing to do with the senile seniors in Palm Beach that couldn't figure out a simple fucking ballot.

That's such a dirty excuse as to why Gore didn't win in 2000.

[xshady121]

Bush also cheated to win in 00. Obama won a fair race.

Proof?

[xshady121]

Yeah I heard he was personally in there throwing away ballots, and it had nothing to do with the senile seniors in Palm Beach that couldn't figure out a simple fucking ballot.

That's such a dirty excuse as to why Gore didn't win in 2000.

You mean you didn't know that Bush and Karl Rove were personally in charge of the Broward County Recounts?

[xshady121]

the bush administration got the benefit of the doubt for a good long while.......then they decided to go and lie us into a unneeded war, screw up the economy, abuse power, support torture, pardon those in his administration convicted of felonies, totally mishandle hurricane katrina, curb civil rights, and generally turn everything else they touched to shit.

You make it sound like Bush was any different than any other president in American History. In comparison to some wartime presidents, he was quite on the side of the people. see: Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman

[xshady121]

It is very well established that Katherine Harris purged the roll of thousands of democrats. She halted the recount.

It's not her fault some Florida voters couldn't punch a hole in their ballots.

[xshady121]

But it is her fault she refused to count some votes and had thousands of democrats struck off the register.

That wasn't the first time names have been purged from the register. It's the most popular case, but it's not like it's a rare occurrence. Sounds shitty to say, but names get purged isn't that out of the ordinary.

[open mind]

That wasn't the first time names have been purged from the register. It's the most popular case, but it's not like it's a rare occurrence. Sounds shitty to say, but names get purged isn't that out of the ordinary.

it'd be nice if you could point to past instances of this that didn't curb the democrat vote.

[open mind]

You make it sound like Bush was any different than any other president in American History. In comparison to some wartime presidents, he was quite on the side of the people. see: Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman

we've progressed as a country since thier times....a more fitting comparison would be say nixon or lbj.
we also weren't lied into the wars those presidents lead.

[windmillninja]

Seriously...this thread came to this?

[open mind]

Seriously...this thread came to this?

valid gripes and explanations for why bush wasn't deserving of respect in response to someone acting like there is something wrong with liberals because they weren't all on his jock shouldn't be a suprise.

[nfgrocker16]

we've progressed as a country since thier times....a more fitting comparison would be say nixon or lbj.
we also weren't lied into the wars those presidents lead.

24 hr news coverage completely changes the way we're able to view the president and his choices.

[noideas]

Bush became more unpopular as time passed. He had a ridiculously high approval rating, but he still managed to make over two-thirds of the population think he wasn't do a very good job.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

[nfgrocker16]

Bush became more unpopular as time passed. He had a ridiculously high approval rating, but he still managed to make over two-thirds of the population think he wasn't do a very good job.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm (http://www.hist.umn.edu/%7Eruggles/Approval.htm)

What can I say? He was good at selling bad ideas. We see how his approval rating rises in times of crisis, as it should under a president who makes a quick decision. However, it drops drastically when we see the outcomes of those decisions.

[noideas]

I don't even think it's a matter of praising quick decisions, I think the problem in America is that people are afraid of being called out for being Unamerican. It's the new communism. So if America is in trouble, you have to say you support her and those most visibly associated with her (the president and the troops)

[nfgrocker16]

I don't even think it's a matter of praising quick decisions, I think the problem in America is that people are afraid of being called out for being Unamerican. It's the new communism. So if America is in trouble, you have to say you support her and those most visibly associated with her (the president and the troops)

I agree that there's an inherent trust we feel we need to have with the president and our country. Like I said, he was good at selling bad ideas. I think seeing as he hadn't really done anything completely wrong when 9/11 happened that we knew of at the time it was safe to say that he had us at his fingertips and how he chose to rally us we would follow. So instead of rallying the need to fix America's problems with defense, infrastructure, etc he ended up rallying us to go to a war we shouldn't have been in.

[HashHolly]

It's not her fault some Florida voters couldn't punch a hole in their ballots.

"The Florida election has been closely scrutinized since the election, and several irregularities are thought to have favored Bush. These included the Palm Beach "butterfly ballot," which produced an unexpectedly large number of votes for third-party candidate Patrick Buchanan. Also noted was a purge of some 50,000 alleged felons from the Florida voting rolls, which were nearly half African-American voters. The majority of these were not felons and should have been eligible to vote under Florida law. Additionally, there were many more 'overvotes' than usual, especially in predominantly African-American precincts in Duval county (Jacksonville), where some 27,000 ballots showed two or more choices for President. Unlike the much-discussed Palm Beach County 'butterfly ballot,' the Duval County ballot spread choices for President over two pages with instructions to 'vote on every page' on the bottom of each page."

Lets do some quick math: about 25,000 African-American, half of them legit =17,500, 90% African Americans voted for Gore = 15,750......that means Al Gore wouldve won by at least 15,000 votes. (this is taking into cosnideration that the other 17,500 whites, hispanics, etc. wouldve split canceling their effects out, even if this isnt true, its fair to assume that mathematically that the Bush 500+ vote advantage wouldve been wiped out.)

I'd call this cheating.

[Justin_stacy]

it'd be nice if you could point to past instances of this that didn't curb the democrat vote.

But we can use the same year to show where actual fraud helped the Democratics.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_26_17/ai_76698286

The details of the Democratic lawsuit are really something to behold. The lead plaintiff, named Robert D. Odom, claimed he had been denied the right to vote. But then it was learned that Mr. Odom had died in 1999. Whereupon the Democrats said the real plaintiff was Robert M. Odom, who happened to be a top aide to Democratic Rep. Lacy Clay. But after it turned out that the living Mr. Odom had actually voted early that day, Democratic lawyer Douglas Dowd didn't modify the lawsuit or inform the judge. "I didn't have to," he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=85000611

Here we have an instance of the Gore/Lieberman team presenting a false lawsuit to a Democratic-Committee member state Judge to illegally keep polls in a St. Louis county that is heavily democratic open past the state cut off time of 7.00pm. This allowed hundreds, if not thousands of voters to vote, possible tipping very close state elections in favor of Democrats and could have possible tipped the national vote too if they had been allowed to stay open long enough. Is this not a more blatant act of purposeful voter fraud? Pirticularly compared to the Democratic approved 'butterfly' ballot?

See the problem people have with this so called Florida 'fiasco,' beside the fact that is based on sketchy evidence, is that Democrats don't care about any of the fraudulent questions raised durring that election that were a reponse to their envolvement, and they were numerous as they are in every election.

[open mind]

But we can use the same year to show where actual fraud helped the Democratics.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_26_17/ai_76698286

The details of the Democratic lawsuit are really something to behold. The lead plaintiff, named Robert D. Odom, claimed he had been denied the right to vote. But then it was learned that Mr. Odom had died in 1999. Whereupon the Democrats said the real plaintiff was Robert M. Odom, who happened to be a top aide to Democratic Rep. Lacy Clay. But after it turned out that the living Mr. Odom had actually voted early that day, Democratic lawyer Douglas Dowd didn't modify the lawsuit or inform the judge. "I didn't have to," he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=85000611

Here we have an instance of the Gore/Lieberman team presenting a false lawsuit to a Democratic-Committee member state Judge to illegally keep polls in a St. Louis county that is heavily democratic open past the state cut off time of 7.00pm. This allowed hundreds, if not thousands of voters to vote, possible tipping very close state elections in favor of Democrats and could have possible tipped the national vote too if they had been allowed to stay open long enough. Is this not a more blatant act of purposeful voter fraud? Pirticularly compared to the Democratic approved 'butterfly' ballot?

See the problem people have with this so called Florida 'fiasco,' beside the fact that is based on sketchy evidence, is that Democrats don't care about any of the fraudulent questions raised durring that election that were a reponse to their envolvement, and they were numerous as they are in every election.

why is it that conservatives always have a problem with more people voting? heaven forbid everyone gets to vote and that thier vote gets counted.

i'm not entirely familiar with the definition of voter fraud under missouri law....but i doubt this qualifies.

[Mercy Medical]

You did it! No you did it! No, it's your fault! It's all your fault!

How about we stop the bitching and complaining. It is the way it is. The past is the past.

Move the fuck on.

[open mind]

You did it! No you did it! No, it's your fault! It's all your fault!

How about we stop the bitching and complaining. It is the way it is. The past is the past.

Move the fuck on.

those who don't know thier history are destined to repeat it.

[Justin_stacy]

why is it that conservatives always have a problem with more people voting? heaven forbid everyone gets to vote and that thier vote gets counted.

i'm not entirely familiar with the definition of voter fraud under missouri law....but i doubt this qualifies.

Why is it that 'liberals' are so big on people voting illegally? Frauding elections? Why should law biding people vote if the elections are just going to be undermined?

[open mind]

Why is that 'liberals' are so big on people voting illegally? And disenfranching people who follow the law?

because conservative asshats in charge of running elections seem to enjoy adding all sorts of fine print to something as simple as voting.......and they tend to make sure that there's a shortage of voting machines in the precints they don't want voting to much.

wha? explain the disenfranchising bit.

[Justin_stacy]

Well actually its incomptent liberals, or democrats, asshats running the election boards in most of these community.

Disenfranching, in that it makes their vote meaningless. Why have rules or laws if there just going to be broken when they're not to your bennefit? Hell, why not just have one big free for all where pets vote, the dead vote, people vote twice maybe three times, isn't that what ACORN was promoting?

We can just hire American Idol to run the voting process....

[nfgrocker16]

Well actually its incomptent liberals, or democrats, asshats running the election boards in most of these community.

Disenfranching, in that it makes their vote meaningless. Why have rules or laws if there just going to be broken when they're not to your bennefit? Hell, why not just have one big free for all where pets vote, the dead vote, people vote twice maybe three times, isn't that what ACORN was promoting?

Still bringing up ACORN are we?

Thought we were passed this, what, 3 weeks ago?

[birdman]

Still bringing up ACORN are we?

Thought we were passed this, what, 3 weeks ago?

Well, it is relevant, don't you think?

If ACORN was a Republican organization doing the same thing you would be shitting your pants.

Let's be fair here.

[Adeniz19]

Well actually its incomptent liberals, or democrats, asshats running the election boards in most of these community.

Disenfranching, in that it makes their vote meaningless. Why have rules or laws if there just going to be broken when they're not to your bennefit? Hell, why not just have one big free for all where pets vote, the dead vote, people vote twice maybe three times, isn't that what ACORN was promoting?

We can just hire American Idol to run the voting process....No, not at all.

[nfgrocker16]

Well, it is relevant, don't you think?

If ACORN was a Republican organization doing the same thing you would be shitting your pants.

Let's be fair here.

Nope. Voter registration fraud is a petty crime and had nothing to do with the outcome of the election. I don't just freak out for no reason.

[nfgrocker16]

Well actually its incomptent liberals, or democrats, asshats running the election boards in most of these community.

Disenfranching, in that it makes their vote meaningless. Why have rules or laws if there just going to be broken when they're not to your bennefit? Hell, why not just have one big free for all where pets vote, the dead vote, people vote twice maybe three times, isn't that what ACORN was promoting?

We can just hire American Idol to run the voting process....

ACORN wasn't involved in voter fraud. It was involved in voter registration fraud. Big difference.

[Machu505]

The ACORN thing was just a bunch of guys who were paid to go out and register voters. They weren't trying to steal the election, they were trying to make a buck. I'm pretty sure those falsely registered would have to be able to vote for it to be voter fraud.

[nfgrocker16]

The ACORN thing was just a bunch of guys who were paid to go out and register voters. They weren't trying to steal the election, they were trying to make a buck. I'm pretty sure those falsely registered would have to be able to vote for it to be voter fraud.

Its a petty crime, and most of them did it to meet a quota and make their money. If anything it went against ACORN and their employers who were cheated. This is a non-argument.

[Justin_stacy]

Still bringing up ACORN are we?

Thought we were passed this, what, 3 weeks ago?

I guess if we can bring up things that are eight years old, I can still make cracks about things that happen 'three weeks ago'.

[FScott]

someones bitter

[nfgrocker16]

I guess if we can bring up things that are eight years old, I can still make cracks about things that happen 'three weeks ago'.

What things are we talking about from 8 years ago that aren't relevant?

[saysmydoctor]

What is Bob Barr's purpose now? As legitimate as before or even less?

[open mind]

Well actually its incomptent liberals, or democrats, asshats running the election boards in most of these community.

Disenfranching, in that it makes their vote meaningless. Why have rules or laws if there just going to be broken when they're not to your bennefit? Hell, why not just have one big free for all where pets vote, the dead vote, people vote twice maybe three times, isn't that what ACORN was promoting?

We can just hire American Idol to run the voting process....

care to point to some?
i think we're going on different definitions of the word.
some rules shouldn't have been made in the first place....there's no need to be super anal about something like whether or not you've changed your address since registering to vote or other such nonsense.

[Broken Parachute]

Despite the fact I didn't vote for him, I'm happy for him and blacks all across the country. I just hope people look past the entire "my President is black" mentality now that the election is over and just focus on fixing the country's problems. I couldn't care less what race he is...I just want him to do a good job.

Tons of people, including myself at times, have criticized him...and now it's finally time to see if he's the real deal. It's going to be very interesting to see how his first term plays out.