Help me understand more on Obama

[AmarnaReign]

Although I'm disappointed of the outcome in the election. I still hope i can atleast feel good enough to call him my president!

I hope i was told lies when



Obama says he will spread my money to the welfare?

Obama says he will tax small buisness owners?

Obama says he is going to legalize 12 million Illegals giving them driver's licenses and social security cards?


If not true can i get a source or sources where i can find the right information on these issues. I really want to give him a shot and understand instead of assume these things.

[open mind]

Although I'm disappointed of the outcome in the election. I still hope i can atleast feel good enough to call him my president!

I hope i was told lies when



Obama says he will spread my money to the welfare?

Obama says he will tax small buisness owners?

Obama says he is going to legalize 12 million Illegals giving them driver's licenses and social security cards?


If not true can i get a source or sources where i can find the right information on these issues. I really want to give him a shot and understand instead of assume these things.

some of your money already goes to welfare....but as far as i know he's never proposed expanding it.
obama will tax everyone.
i've never heard that last one before so i'd guess it's blatantly false.

here's a link to obama's proposed tax policy, you're on your own for the rest though.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

axes on Small Business Owners

You may have heard: "With the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, every small business in America will get an automatic tax hike, and with a President Obama planning to raise self-employment taxes, two-thirds of the nation's small business income may be taxed at a rate of 50 percent." In fact, less than 2 percent of taxpayers declaring small business income would see a tax increase in 2009 under Obama's plan, according to estimates by the TPC (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/).

Again, Obama has proposed (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barackobama. com%2Fpdf%2Ftaxes%2FTax_Plan_Facts_ FINAL.pdf) raising taxes only on individuals earning more than $200,000 per year and families earning more than $250,000 per year. As Media Matters has noted (http://mediamatters.org/items/200810240005?f=s_search), according to estimates (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.taxpolicycen ter.org%2Fnumbers%2Fdisplayatab.cfm %3FDocID%3D1854) by the TPC, 1.9 percent of tax filers declaring small-business income in 2009 will be in the top two income-tax brackets -- which currently includes (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irs.gov%2Ffo rmspubs%2Farticle%2F0%2C%2Cid%3D164 272%2C00.html) all individuals earning more than $160,850 and all families earning more than $195,850.

Additionally, conservative radio host Armstrong Williams asserts: "[W]hat he [Obama] doesn't understand, it is the small business owner in this country with four or five employees that is the backbone of this country, that need tax breaks, that need the capital gains breaks." In fact, Obama has proposed "tax breaks (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barackobama. com%2Fpdf%2FSmallBusinessFINAL.pdf) " for small business owners, including the "Obama Small Business Health Tax Credit," a "refundable credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees."

Factcheck (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/right_change_is_wrong.html)

[Adeniz19]

obama never said he was going to spread wealth around to welfare. tax cuts will go to WORKING americans.

if your small business makes less than 250k you shouldn't have to worry about your taxes going up

[Adeniz19]

Plan? What Plan?

Furthermore, NRT PAC's claim that Obama has a "plan" to give driver's licenses to "any illegal [immigrant] who wants one" is just false. Obama has no such plan. "Plan" implies a worked out, formal policy. But NRT rests its claim (http://nationalrepublicantrust.com/licensefactsheet.html) entirely on comments Obama made during two Democratic primary debates. All candidates were asked whether they supported then-New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Obama hedged, but when pressed, admitted that he agreed (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/us/politics/15debate-transcript.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin) with states granting licenses, and requiring insurance. Here's part of the exchange:
CNN's Wolf Blitzer (Nov. 15, 2007): Barring, avoiding, assuming there isn't going to be comprehensive immigration reform, do you support or oppose driver's licenses for illegal immigrants?

Obama: I am not proposing that that's what we do. ... I have already said I support the notion that we have to deal with public safety and that driver's licenses at the state level can make that happen. But what I also know, Wolf, is that if we keep on getting distracted by this problem, then we are not solving it.
We take no position on the wisdom of Spitzer's proposal. But it's false to puff up Obama's comments into a "plan" when he quite specifically said, "I am not proposing that that's what we do." That sounds to us to be the opposite of a plan. The group would have been correct had it said Obama supported Spitzer's plan, but only in the absence of a federal effort to fix the immigration mess.

from factcheck

[aoftbsten]

he plans to eliminate capital gains tax for small businesses

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[AmarnaReign]

I wish i would've known this yesterday.

[Adeniz19]

I wish i would've known this yesterday.we've been trying to tell you all of this during this whole election! hahaha

[AmarnaReign]

How about my rights to own a gun for my own protection?

[Adeniz19]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

[AmarnaReign]

Wow! I can't believe I'm actually liking this guy. I might have more issues later to read upon! Thanks!

[open mind]

Wow! I can't believe I'm actually liking this guy. I might have more issues later to read upon! Thanks!

not to be a prick or anything, but it might have been a good idea to try and learn this stuff you know......before the election.

[Adeniz19]

hahaha better late then never, i suppose.

[nfgrocker16]

Wow! I can't believe I'm actually liking this guy. I might have more issues later to read upon! Thanks!

Most people do like him more when they learn more about him.

Use the resources you have at your disposal.

Your brain is one of them. We all had to use them to make our educated analysis of the two candidates.

[SauzaGold]

I wish more people educated themselves like this dude. and yes, better late than never.

[leifstar]

I voted for Nader. =/ I am glad out of the two Obama was elected. But I feel Nader would have brought real "change". It also grinds my gears when people say that was a waste of a vote.

[nfgrocker16]

I voted for Nader. =/ I am glad out of the two Obama was elected. But I feel Nader would have brought real "change". It also grinds my gears when people say that was a waste of a vote.

He'd never win so all your doing is allowing another candidate to win by voting. A candidate which you probably disagree with.

So in a sense, it is a waste of a vote.

And his policies on education, economics, capitalism, all not good.

There's a reason he's an activist, not a politician. Not everyone should be able to be president.

Not saying you're wrong in your beliefs, just saying.

[nfgrocker16]

Any other questions on Obama's policies?

[leifstar]

He'd never win so all your doing is allowing another candidate to win by voting. A candidate which you probably disagree with.

So in a sense, it is a waste of a vote.

And his policies on education, economics, capitalism, all not good.

There's a reason he's an activist, not a politician. Not everyone should be able to be president.

Not saying you're wrong in your beliefs, just saying.


The thing that urkes me is that, wouldn't it be a waste of a vote to vote for someone I didn't believe in? I know he will not become president, however he is the only candidate I fully believe in and support.

And thank you for not attacking my beliefs. I am not the best debator. But it just gets to me how everyone is trying to get people to vote saying its great to vote, (which is true it is great to vote). And then I go vote, and it's a waste of a vote.

[Mitch]

I don't really understand how hearing him speak and looking at his politics anyone who isn't very left or very right wing could not like his policies.

Some PUMA I met last night claimed that Obama is an extreme left-wing radical, and that I "must not know his voting record."

[nfgrocker16]

The thing that urkes me is that, wouldn't it be a waste of a vote to vote for someone I didn't believe in? I know he will not become president, however he is the only candidate I fully believe in and support.

And thank you for not attacking my beliefs. I am not the best debator. But it just gets to me how everyone is trying to get people to vote saying its great to vote, (which is true it is great to vote). And then I go vote, and it's a waste of a vote.

My problem with Nader is a lot of his ideas aren't realistically achievable. There's too much opposition to them and they'd never be mainstream enough to completely work. Otherwise we'd see him getting more votes and support IMO. Also he's never held a political office which means he's basically done nothing of worth in a political sense.

A lot of what he stands for Obama also stands for, only Obama goes about doing it in a more realistic and effective way.

I get the argument of voting for something you truly believe in, why I voted for Obama. But also realize that mainstream candidates also share the views of Nader and Barr and Paul, but have a better chance of making those things happen because of the fact they have a much better chance of getting elected. Its then up to you to write to your congressman/woman, or senator and urge the changes you're looking for. Its not all up to the president, he makes the decisions but he also needs to hear from you want you want different.

[Nevuk]

haha do these people not know what real left wingers are?
Nope. It's amusing talking to them when you are left wing... but also depressing.

[skashroomking]

i,ve heard that obama, when in office, is going to legalize marijuana, is this true or am i being lied to?

there's also word going around that obama's plan on fixing the economy is simply handing all american citizens a bunch of cash.

[skashroomking]

true true

[Adeniz19]

i,ve heard that obama, when in office, is going to legalize marijuana, is this true or am i being lied to?

there's also word going around that obama's plan on fixing the economy is simply handing all american citizens a bunch of cash.hahaha wut

[Jason Tate]

There is talk of another stimulus plan being put in action from what I've read. Paul Krugman recommends it and everyone knows I'm a sucker for him ... heh. I think it may be a good idea.

Thoughts?

[Jason Tate]

haha do these people not know what real left wingers are?
I think that irks me most.

[Jason Tate]

The thing that urkes me is that, wouldn't it be a waste of a vote to vote for someone I didn't believe in? I know he will not become president, however he is the only candidate I fully believe in and support.

And thank you for not attacking my beliefs. I am not the best debator. But it just gets to me how everyone is trying to get people to vote saying its great to vote, (which is true it is great to vote). And then I go vote, and it's a waste of a vote.
Can a third party even technically receive electoral votes? This is something I never really looked into.

[Jason Tate]

I don't really understand how hearing him speak and looking at his politics anyone who isn't very left or very right wing could not like his policies.
Or not realize that there is a very big part of his appeal due to his willingness to listen and search for the right ideas. I haven't seen or heard that brand of unity from a president, hell a politician, in over a decade.

[IAmAmazing]

How about my rights to own a gun for my own protection?
This is in the constitution, you can't change it. I learned this in 6th grade and most Americans don't even know.

[Machu505]

How about my rights to own a gun for my own protection?

Unless you jock an AK-47, your guns will be fine. There will most certainly be no more gun control than under the Clinton Administration.

[patrickhowell]

This is in the constitution, you can't change it. I learned this in 6th grade and most Americans don't even know.

Of course they can change the constitution. The constitution used to say that Alcohol and Income Tax were illegal.

[xshady121]

Can a third party even technically receive electoral votes? This is something I never really looked into.

Why wouldn't they be able to? In 1912, Wilson won 435 with the dems, Teddy roosevelt won 88 with bull moose, and taft won 8 with the reps. It's just hard in modern days for a 3rd party to win the majority in a state in order to get the votes.

[Machu505]

Of course they can change the constitution. The constitution used to say that Alcohol and Income Tax were illegal.

The amendment repealing the 2nd would have to pass through Congress though, which it wouldn't.

[leifstar]

Why wouldn't they be able to? In 1912, Wilson won 435 with the dems, Teddy roosevelt won 88 with bull moose, and taft won 8 with the reps. It's just hard in modern days for a 3rd party to win the majority in a state in order to get the votes.


Agreed. I guess the question would be, do you think those electoral votes would be honored? (sorry if I am messing up the wording)

[xshady121]

Agreed. I guess the question would be, do you think those electoral votes would be honored? (sorry if I am messing up the wording)

Well, since you vote for electors and not for the candidate, in theory, McCain could still win. Every year, you get some elector that will vote for another candidate (like one Democratic elector, I want to say from Minnesota, voted for John Edwards in 2004 rather than Kerry). It's a process known as the "faithless elector". Since congress sets the date in advance to have the electors cast their vote, this is one of the reasons for the Bush v. Gore decision.


link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

[incredulous]

How about my rights to own a gun for my own protection?
The Supreme Court recognized gun ownership for self-defense as an individual right a few months ago. It's not going away any time soon.

[SilenceBrokenTT]

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[Mercy Medical]

There is talk of another stimulus plan being put in action from what I've read. Paul Krugman recommends it and everyone knows I'm a sucker for him ... heh. I think it may be a good idea.

Thoughts?
I heard this wasn't going to be in the same sense as the last stimulus package though, meaning they're not going to be mailing checks to people.

How is it going to work?

[matt_bergeron]

Obama and 'Infanticide'
August 25, 2008
The facts about Obama's votes against 'Born Alive' bills in Illinois.
Summary
Anti-abortion activists accuse Obama of "supporting infanticide," and the National Right to Life Committee says he's conducted a "four-year effort to cover up his full role in killing legislation to protect born-alive survivors of abortions." Obama says they're "lying."

At issue is Obama's opposition to Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

Obama opposed the 2001 and 2002 "born alive" bills as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion, but he says he would have been "fully in support" of a similar federal bill that President Bush had signed in 2002, because it contained protections for Roe v. Wade.

We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee's 2003 mark-up session.

Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama's 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an "infant." It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support."


Analysis
Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes attacked Barack Obama over this legislation during their 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, repeatedly (http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=366) accusing him (http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=341) of favoring "infanticide." (http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=338) Because of this, Keyes said, "Christ would not vote for Barack Obama (http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=348)." Nevertheless, 70 percent of Illinois voters did vote for Obama, but now the issue has bubbled up again.

The National Right to Life Committee released a statement Aug. 11 saying it had obtained proof that Obama was misrepresenting his 2003 vote by stating that the Illinois "born alive" bill that he voted against in committee lacked a provision, contained in the 2002 federal law, that foreclosed any effect on abortion rights. Obama, in an Aug. 16 interview, then said critics of his "born alive" stance were "not telling the truth" and "lying." On Aug. 18, the NRLC updated its white paper (http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/Obamacoveruponbornalive.htm) and continued to accuse Obama of dissembling.

As originally proposed, the 2003 state bill, SB 1082 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=), sought to define the term "born-alive infant" as any infant, even one born as the result of an unsuccessful abortion, that shows vital signs separate from its mother. The bill would have established that infants thus defined were humans with legal rights. It never made it to the floor; it was voted down by the Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired.

Earlier versions of the bill, in 2001 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB1095.html) and 2002 (http://ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html), had met with opposition (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/PP%20Born%20Alive%20History.pdf) from abortion-rights groups, which contended that they would be used to challenge Roe v. Wade. Because the bills accorded human rights to pre-viable fetuses (that is, fetuses that could not live outside the womb) as long as they showed some vital signs outside the mother, abortion-rights groups saw them as the thin edge of a wedge that could be used to pry apart legal rights to abortion. Obama stated this objection on the Senate floor in discussion of both bills.

However, Obama has said several times that he would have supported the federal version (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&docid=f:h2175enr.txt.pdf) of the bill, which passed by unanimous consent and which President Bush signed into law (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020805-6.html) Aug. 5, 2002, because it could not be used to challenge the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision granting a legal right to abortion. On Aug. 16, the candidate repeated that again (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429313.aspx) to David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network. He also prefaced his remarks with an attack on those who said he had misrepresented his position on the state bills, saying they were "lying."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

Nice try.


BA-ZING!


but seriously, people need to check their shit.

[nfgrocker16]

There is talk of another stimulus plan being put in action from what I've read. Paul Krugman recommends it and everyone knows I'm a sucker for him ... heh. I think it may be a good idea.

Thoughts?

Would the plan include cash only into the market or cash to consumers?

[patrickhowell]

The amendment repealing the 2nd would have to pass through Congress though, which it wouldn't.

Probably not, but that's not to say it isn't possible for an amendment to be repealed.

[Phil507]

How about my rights to own a gun for my own protection?

Do you really need one there in Mississippi?

[AmarnaReign]

Do you really need one there in Mississippi?
I live in Indiana.