That Seems Fair.

[Jason Tate]

Bush critics blocked (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/krwashbureau/20050330/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_bush_dissenters_wa) from Presidential events?

[ParadigM]

You obviously didnt read the article. This is being done on the local scene by the locals, not by the national government. But that fact makes your liberal spin stop, so why would you post that on the front page?

[crayolagreyola]

www.indermamusic.com

there's a band on this label calling themselves TBA (the bush assassination)

[TheOtherAndrew]

White House officials say they have nothing to do with the exclusions, which they blame on overzealous supporters.
Bullshit.

[dyingurthhorizo]

Democratic speakers have been known to block Republican or anti-Democrats from speeches and such. You're just mad that it's happening to your side. Get over it

He posted it on the front page because he is a tool

[aminorthreat55]

I am so suprised. Very similar to the bans on protesting within a certain radius of him, therefore eliminating the entire point of protesting. Let's hear it for free speech!!

[TheOtherAndrew]

I am so suprised. Very similar to the bans on protesting within a certain radius of him, therefore eliminating the entire point of protesting. Let's here it for free speech!!
And don't forget how the people selected for Bush's "town hall meetings" are pre-screened and they get thrown out if they say anything negative.

[IAPAI]

He posted it on the front page because he is a tool

...or because it's his site and he is just suggesting a Yahoo! article he read to the people who are visiting HIS site.

[PerfectMess]

Yea, its done by both parties, but that still doesnt make it right. Last I heard free speech was still in the bill of rights.

[dyingurthhorizo]

again douchebags, look at the liberals and Democrats...you're a bunch of hypocrites so just shut up

[Jason Tate]

You obviously didnt read the article. This is being done on the local scene by the locals, not by the national government. But that fact makes your liberal spin stop, so why would you post that on the front page?
i read the article, and posted the yahoo title... where did i "spin" it?

[VinnyVegas]

They don't want protestors and other dissenting voices near the president because it's hard to argue with the truth.

[punkerz2003]

hmm that's lame. but i bet democrats have done it too.

[TheOtherAndrew]

They don't want protestors and other dissenting voices near the president because it's hard to argue with the truth.
That's what the White House would say.

[IAPAI]

And don't forget how the people selected for Bush's "town hall meetings" are pre-screened and they get thrown out if they say anything negative.

And the questions that are asked during his press conferences are fluff and usually influenced heavily by his administration.

[aminorthreat55]

You obviously didnt read the article. This is being done on the local scene by the locals, not by the national government. But that fact makes your liberal spin stop, so why would you post that on the front page?
That's the claim. But the way the system works, thats never the case. There may have been a local Republican group in charge of setting it up but the Bush administration still has to have intermediaries to coordinate with those people and I'd put money on the fact that they tell them to limit opposing views to that of the president. It's similar to his economic team, he's less interested in having real economists who tell him the truth than he is in having decent economists who go out and try and sell his idea (hence why he lost 2 members of his economic team in the last year), read about it in an issue of the Economist that came out a week or two ago. He's trying to sell a product (Social Security) and if people are there to say that it isn't good or that it's wrong, that doesn't help his case, so he is going to want to get rid of as many of them as he can.

[TheOtherAndrew]

And the questions that are asked during his press conferences are fluff and usually influenced heavily by his administration.
AND the fact that this administration paid pundits to go on TV and in the media and talk about how great their programs like No Child Left Behind were without telling anyone that they were doing it.

[Jason Tate]

Democratic speakers have been known to block Republican or anti-Democrats from speeches and such. You're just mad that it's happening to your side. Get over it

He posted it on the front page because he is a tool
really? Where are these articles ... I'd love to see them. And, I'd be just as appalled - I don't agree with both sides - but both sides should be allowed dissent.

[TheOtherAndrew]

really? Where are these articles ... I'd love to see them. And, I'd be just as appalled - I don't agree with both sides - but both sides should be allowed dissent.
I hadn't heard about the democrats doing that, but I can believe that they would. Both sides are power hungry. But what pisses me off is the fact that this administation seems to be doing things like this ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!! Silencing dissent seems to be a much more predominant strategy for the Bush guys than it ever was for Clinton's administration.

[aminorthreat55]

I hadn't heard about the democrats doing that, but I can believe that they would. Both sides are power hungry. But what pisses me off is the fact that this administation seems to be doing things like this ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!! Silencing dissent seems to be a much more predominant strategy for the Bush guys than it ever was for Clinton's administration.
Yeah exactly. Dirty stuff goes on with both sides but then if you even ask this administration about it, they either pretend it doesn't happen (Bush), re-direct the claim to what they want to talk about (Rumsfeld), or go insane (Rove).

[jynxedheart]

if they didn't say anything, then of course it is wrong that they were dismissed without reason but i highly doubt that is the whole story behind it. yahoo holds more of a liberal position than it does conservative and they could have left some things out to make it seem more extreme. as wrong as such an occurance as this would be, i do believe that there does indeed need to be some standards kept at certain press conferences do the fact that rude and ignorant people from the opposite parties both mock and banter the figurehead. i am a republican, but i would feel the same way if it was a democrat standing up there worried about having conservatives being loud and obnoxious during a press conference. works both ways

[Jason Tate]

I hadn't heard about the democrats doing that, but I can believe that they would. Both sides are power hungry. But what pisses me off is the fact that this administation seems to be doing things like this ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!! Silencing dissent seems to be a much more predominant strategy for the Bush guys than it ever was for Clinton's administration.
I concur. But from what I've seen (ie. every single news conference with Clinton was with leading, demanding questions about a blow job - and yet not one reporter has the balls to ask Bush anything difficult) - things smell fishy.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Yeah exactly. Dirty stuff goes on with both sides but then if you even ask this administration about it, they either pretend it doesn't happen (Bush), re-direct the claim to what they want to talk about (Rumsfeld), or go insane (Rove).
Or remind people how different the world is since 9/11, now matter how unrelated to 9/11 the situation is. ESPECIALLY Iraq. They love doing that.

[jynxedheart]

Or remind people how different the world is since 9/11, now matter how unrelated to 9/11 the situation is. ESPECIALLY Iraq. They love doing that.

i dont agree with your signature.....i know its unrelated but just felt the need to state my opinion the my respect for both his literary novels as well as talk show

[aminorthreat55]

And part of the problem is the way they go about taking people out. Personally if Bush came here and wanted to talk about Social Security, I'd be there. I can't stand the man but I'd still like to hear him talk and consider what he's saying. The fact that these people are getting removed for a mere bumper sticker is ridiculous. Sure maybe they don't like him but that doesn't mean they're going to pull some circus act in the middle of it and be disruptive. It's a damn bumper sticker, come on.

[VinnyVegas]

i dont agree with your signature.....i know its unrelated but just felt the need to state my opinion the my respect for both his literary novels as well as talk show
I couldn't disagree with you more...

[jynxedheart]

And part of the problem is the way they go about taking people out. Personally if Bush came here and wanted to talk about Social Security, I'd be there. I can't stand the man but I'd still like to hear him talk and consider what he's saying. The fact that these people are getting removed for a mere bumper sticker is ridiculous. Sure maybe they don't like him but that doesn't mean they're going to pull some circus act in the middle of it and be disruptive. It's a damn bumper sticker, come on.

i completely agree. i mean, there could be a chance of something like that happening but it is highly unlikely

[Paul Tao]

Democratic speakers have been known to block Republican or anti-Democrats from speeches and such. You're just mad that it's happening to your side. Get over it

He posted it on the front page because he is a tool
not because of bumper stickers.

[jynxedheart]

I couldn't disagree with you more...

and im totally fine with that

[splatoutofluck]

. things smell fishy.
laura bush sits with her legs open most of the time, that explains that

[aminorthreat55]

i dont agree with your signature.....i know its unrelated but just felt the need to state my opinion the my respect for both his literary novels as well as talk show
I didn't have a problem with him until one day my grandfather was watching it and he was going through e-mails he had received and one was semi-questioning him saying how he always thinks he is right and that he is full of himself and how he's narrow-minded, etc. So he responded saying something to the affect of "That's because I am right! I know exactly what I'm talking about and I think you'd be pretty proud of yourself if you had accomplished as much as I have." He basically proved the guy right. I wish I could find the dialogue from the episode but it was over 2 years ago so I dunno.

[punkerz2003]

i dont agree with your signature.....i know its unrelated but just felt the need to state my opinion the my respect for both his literary novels as well as talk show

Uhh...he's still a douche bag.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Uhh...he's still a douche bag.
Yeah, it's not that I disagree with him, cuz I read his first book and he has some good ideas. I just can't stand the guy. Plus that whole sexual harassment deal kinda sucked too.

[jynxedheart]

I didn't have a problem with him until one day my grandfather was watching it and he was going through e-mails he had received and one was semi-questioning him saying how he always thinks he is right and that he is full of himself and how he's narrow-minded, etc. So he responded saying something to the affect of "That's because I am right! I know exactly what I'm talking about and I think you'd be pretty proud of yourself if you had accomplished as much as I have." He basically proved the guy right. I wish I could find the dialogue from the episode but it was over 2 years ago so I dunno.

yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that he does know his shit. he isn't really narrow-minded considering the fact that he doesn't even associate himself with a policical party, he just states the facts. i think he is great with how honest he is. id much rather watch/read/listen to him then i would listen to jon stewart create a mockery of tragedies that are occuring in the world.

and ill follow up saying that i dont think jon stewart is bad, just a bad reporter.....id much rather see him on a stage than behind that desk

[TheOtherAndrew]

id much rather watch/read/listen to him then i would listen to jon stewart create a mockery of tragedies that are occuring in the world.
Jon definitley doesn't mock tragedies, that's not his style. He mocks the way the media deals with them. Sorry I had to stick up for him.

[aminorthreat55]

yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that he does know his shit. he isn't really narrow-minded considering the fact that he doesn't even associate himself with a policical party, he just states the facts. i think he is great with how honest he is. id much rather watch/read/listen to him then i would listen to jon stewart create a mockery of tragedies that are occuring in the world.

and ill follow up saying that i dont think jon stewart is bad, just a bad reporter.....id much rather see him on a stage than behind that desk
He isn't a reporter, that's the point. It's just pointing out all the gross absurdities in our society and making fun of them.

[jynxedheart]

Jon definitley doesn't mock tragedies, that's not his style. He mocks the way the media deals with them. Sorry I had to stick up for him.

that ok, i accept your answer

[aminorthreat55]

Jon definitley doesn't mock tragedies, that's not his style. He mocks the way the media deals with them. Sorry I had to stick up for him.
Exactly.

[PerfectMess]

He isn't a reporter, that's the point. It's just pointing out all the gross absurdities in our society and making fun of them.

Exactly. Although it does scare me that some people I know claim they get the news from the Daily Show.

[ATFEH4President]

Heh about O'Riely, I just watched the documentary OutFoxed, and it ripped him apart pretty badly, I thought it was hilarious, good watch I reccomend it.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Exactly. Although it does scare me that some people I know claim they get the news from the Daily Show.
I don't think it scares anyone more than it scares Jon.

[Cocky Caucasion]

blah blah blah who cares?

[splitsecond]

I am so suprised. Very similar to the bans on protesting within a certain radius of him, therefore eliminating the entire point of protesting. Let's hear it for free speech!!

The point of protesting isnt to disrupt a speech by the president. They can protest where they want, but realize, no intelligent human being listens to protesters on either side. Protesting is fucking stupid unless you can get like 100,000 people or more.

[marchfaster]

jason, its great to have you back and all...but can you PLEASE stop posting political articles, leave that to cal and paul. Its a great site for music you've got...and i hate how every page or so there's something new against bush, we get it...you dont like the guy.
please now, just stop.

[eddiecore]

you people need to accept that you lost the election and shut up with this stuff already. i browse this site all throughout the day and have never commented once. but i went through the trouble of registering just so i can comment this one time.

shut up with all this political crap already. i'm sick of it. this site is so awesome and it really gets the news about music out there. and you admins who run this site always have to use it to get your political views out.

thing's really shouldn't be this way and they don't have to be. one minute i'm reading about an awesome interview with thrice and the next minute, some admin's going on about how he thinks bush sucks.

it's really fucking lame and it really takes away from this site.

[brian_midnight]

i wonder how much longer Brave New World will be allowed to be taught in school?

i knew punk was dead when my friend with a pretty impressive mohawk, no car, friends in re-hab, who doesn't bathe and doesn't go to school voted for Bush. i asked her why. she said because she didn't really care and it seemed like he was doing an alright job. that, and her parents voted her him.

-here comes the vomit-

[/QUOTE] it's really fucking lame and it really takes away from this site. [/QUOTE]

being ignorant is really fucking lame and takes away from humanity

man i wish people still pissed other people off. fuckin' public sentemant

[eddiecore]

i wonder how much longer Brave New World will be allowed to be taught in school?

i knew punk was dead when my friend with a pretty impressive mohawk, no car, friends in re-hab, who doesn't bathe and doesn't go to school voted for Bush. i asked her why. she said because she didn't really care and it seemed like he was doing an alright job. that, and her parents voted her him.

-here comes the vomit-

it's really fucking lame and it really takes away from this site.

being ignorant is really fucking lame and takes away from humanity

man i wish people still pissed other people off. fuckin' public sentemant

guess what. i don't give a shit!

[Nigel]

whichever of you guys that runs for president someday will get lots of votes from AP

[aminorthreat55]

you people need to accept that you lost the election and shut up with this stuff already.
It isn't about the stupid election, and it never had to be, that's merely a platform for discussing politics, not an excuse. To only discuss politics in the several months before an election is foolish, it should always be discussed.

whichever of you guys that runs for president someday will get lots of votes from AP
Me.

[eddiecore]

It isn't about the stupid election, and it never had to be, that's merely a platform for discussing politics, not an excuse. To only discuss politics in the several months before an election is foolish, it should always be discussed.


Me.

good point. i take that back. sorry.

[jynxedheart]

i wonder how much longer Brave New World will be allowed to be taught in school?

i knew punk was dead when my friend with a pretty impressive mohawk, no car, friends in re-hab, who doesn't bathe and doesn't go to school voted for Bush. i asked her why. she said because she didn't really care and it seemed like he was doing an alright job. that, and her parents voted her him.

-here comes the vomit-

it's really fucking lame and it really takes away from this site.

being ignorant is really fucking lame and takes away from humanity

man i wish people still pissed other people off. fuckin' public sentemant

that was some of the most worthless, random information i have ever read in my entire life. i dont think there was one valid point in your post. im just absolutely amused at your attempt to prove a point. im sorry if i made/am making you feel bad but gosh, that was just ridiculous

[PaperclipAnemia]

I predict a riot...
I predict a riot.

I predict a riot...
I predict a riot.

[DigitalAssassin]

i wonder how much longer Brave New World will be allowed to be taught in school?

i knew punk was dead when my friend with a pretty impressive mohawk, no car, friends in re-hab, who doesn't bathe and doesn't go to school voted for Bush. i asked her why. she said because she didn't really care and it seemed like he was doing an alright job. that, and her parents voted her him.



Punk is dead because someone voted Republican? It's funny how punk began as anti-establishment movement in the late 70's. Now if you vote Republican or don't follow the majority of the punk movement then you aren't punk or punk is dead. Follow the crowd? Punk died when people like you started calling themselves punk.

[eddiecore]

Punk is dead because someone voted Republican? It's funny how punk began as anti-establishment movement in the late 70's. Now if you vote Republican or don't follow the majority of the punk movement then you aren't punk or punk is dead. Follow the crowd? Punk died when people like you started calling themselves punk.

i think it's pretty evident that trashing bush and republicans or basically anyone that isn't liberal is the best thing someone in a shitty band can do for their careers...

[billcom6]

yea i think all political events need more morons yelling stuff out :uhoh3:

[Nigel]

Me.

You have my vote as soon as I move to the US

[dw1003]

Democratic speakers have been known to block Republican or anti-Democrats from speeches and such. You're just mad that it's happening to your side. Get over it

He posted it on the front page because he is a tool

I agree this event isn't that significant, but given Bush's track record with violating people rights and excluding thousands of gay americans and alienating muslims it's just a small piece of a big corporate, imperialist puzzle.

Punk is dead because someone voted Republican? It's funny how punk began as anti-establishment movement in the late 70's. Now if you vote Republican or don't follow the majority of the punk movement then you aren't punk or punk is dead. Follow the crowd? Punk died when people like you started calling themselves punk.

because punk is politics and view points it will never die. from John Lennon to Tom Morrello
it's the punk ideas that live, the music will always change and re-invent itself. It's my opinion that any self respecting american wouldn't vote for the war-mongering Bush family, let alone "punks"

[Louballs]

i read the article, and posted the yahoo title... where did i "spin" it?

Apparently right up paradigm's ass.

[jynxedheart]

because punk is politics and view points it will never die. from John Lennon to Tom Morrello
it's the punk ideas that live, the music will always change and re-invent itself. It's my opinion that any self respecting american wouldn't vote for the war-mongering Bush family, let alone "punks"

then i guess the majority of americans aren't self respectful.....idiot

[dw1003]

I guess that includes you. get some self respect... or keep voting for imperialism, nation building and the patriot act.

[aminorthreat55]

You have my vote as soon as I move to the US
My platform will be incredible, but I can't reveal it because then it isn't as incredible. I also need to work on the next 20 years and kick ass there before I even think about it but its in the back of my mind as something to do.

[Slater]

really? Where are these articles ... I'd love to see them. And, I'd be just as appalled - I don't agree with both sides - but both sides should be allowed dissent.

Didn't they pen off protesters at the Democratic National Convention? I'm not going to post a link, because if you look it up, you can find out about it.

[aminorthreat55]

Didn't they pen off protesters at the Democratic National Convention? I'm not going to post a link, because if you look it up, you can find out about it.
In like 1998 or 2000 or something in Los Angeles outside the Staples Center. It was when Rage Against the Machine played and the crowd was out of control. It's all on the RATM live dvd. But that was the police because of violence/crowd control, not actual beliefs.

[dw1003]

In like 1998 or 2000 or something in Los Angeles outside the Staples Center. It was when Rage Against the Machine played and the crowd was out of control. It's all on the RATM live dvd. But that was the police because of violence/crowd control, not actual beliefs.

You are wrong. 100% I was there at the Rage show at the 2000 Democratic National Convention. The crowd was predominantly Mexican americans and African Americans
people were there protesting a wide variety of issues. Everything was very calm and collected, a peacefull demonstration. Even when Rage was playing it looked no different than any other rock concert a couple of pits and a lot of security. The problem started when the protesters started getting national coverage on the news. Then the LAPD moved in and started dispersing the crowd, many many people were assulted and shot with rubber bullets and we got tear gassed. It was ALL about BELIEFS. 100,000 LA natives saying that they wouldn't stand for corporate greed and being excluded from the democratic process.

I'm sorry you are very misinformed. It was all about beliefs so the LAPD beat the shit out of us till we left.

[aminorthreat55]

You are wrong. 100% I was there at the Rage show at the 2000 Democratic National Convention. The crowd was predominantly Mexican americans and African Americans
people were there protesting a wide variety of issues. Everything was very calm and collected, a peacefull demonstration. Even when Rage was playing it looked no different than any other rock concert a couple of pits and a lot of security. The problem started when the protesters started getting national coverage on the news. Then the LAPD moved in and started dispersing the crowd, many many people were assulted and shot with rubber bullets and we got tear gassed. It was ALL about BELIEFS. 100,000 LA natives saying that they wouldn't stand for corporate greed and being excluded from the democratic process.

I'm sorry you are very misinformed. It was all about beliefs so the LAPD beat the shit out of us till we left.
But do you think they would've brought in the police if say, 25 people were standing there speaking their minds and what they believe? No. It was more about crowd control and public safety. Not that anything was necessarily going wrong at the time, but when you put tens of thousands of people in the same area like that, it's a problem.

Let me add:
I know everything went violent soon after, but at some point I'm sure it was about someone not cooperating with someone else. It's not like "this kid is against corporate greed, I'm gonna shoot him with rubber bullets", it's more "this kid won't listen to me when I ask him to leave and then he throws a bottle at me, I should put him in his place". I'm not saying it was okay for the cops to use force, especially the way they did, but to say that the cops are against your beliefs and therefore beat the shit out of you is just foolish.

[urowndisaster52]

i really have to agree with Tate on this one (again).

[andrewlterry]

Come on people, this is nothing new to politics. Hecklers have been kept out political events for many years, and in many countries.

[justanact]

wow...now if only we could harness all this energy into something thats actually productive and positive instead of using it to yell at eachother on a fucking website.

[westsidas2000]

Bush critics = TERRORISTS!!! get with the program, seriously.

[NeedForReed]

I have read none of this thread.

I am merely stating that this website should be dedicated to music, and not to ones personal underlying political agenda.

That is all.

[shtjames]

"I bet those democrats are going to try to sneak in and ask me questions"

-George W. Bush

Only Republicans allowed at a Presidential stop paid for by taxpayers' money?

Are you all really that surprised

[number1alien]

These threads offer me absolutely endless amusement. Seriously.

I love you guys.

[1000shadesofred]

Bush supporters are just bitter their president sucks. Plus Bush supporters are narrow minded.

[itsahoax]

Bush supporters are just bitter their president sucks. Plus Bush supporters are narrow minded.

... you're narrow minded.

[ShoeSh1ne]

This has been done for years, by both parties. Nothing to see here.

[SundaeBest]

again douchebags, look at the liberals and Democrats...you're a bunch of hypocrites so just shut up


I could care less if demos have done it in the past, it shouldnt be done by either party, what happened to free speech?

[eddiecore]

this website is starting to suck

[marchfaster]

"I bet those democrats are going to try to sneak in and ask me questions"

-George W. Bush

Only Republicans allowed at a Presidential stop paid for by taxpayers' money?

Are you all really that surprised
sarcasm? yes. come on you didn't actually believe that.
and if you think about the recent "attacks" on republican candidates at colleges...indiana with the pie and recently another guy threw salad dressing at some senator so it makes sense that they'd try and block them out.

[ZeoVGM]

Jeez, I wonder why you never see anti-democrat stuff on this site.

I guess punk = democrat, eh?

[brian_midnight]

Punk is dead because someone voted Republican? It's funny how punk began as anti-establishment movement in the late 70's. Now if you vote Republican or don't follow the majority of the punk movement then you aren't punk or punk is dead. Follow the crowd? Punk died when people like you started calling themselves punk.

i agree completely. but if you will READ my post, you will see that my point is that she voted because her parents did. that's the irony of it all.

and me calling myself "punk" is laughable. calling yourself punk is bullshit anyways. me calling myself punk would just be a joke. do punks look like jesus?

[iamthebullgod]

this is all bullshit. Democrats/Libs do this kinda' stuff all the fucking time....so why, all of a sudden, when the other side decides to fight fire with fire, they get their panties all in a wad and pitch a fit? It's all so ridiculous...all of this just goes to show that Liberals/Democrats are the ones who act like cry-babies all the time. They really are the spoiled children of this governmental family.

No offense or anything. Just taking advantage of my free-speech right.

[brian_midnight]

thats why both sides are full of shit

[RumpleForeskin]

I'm not going to read the 90+ bullshit replies. All I'm gonna say is; one day, with the course of this country, the first amendment will be diminished. Obviously you can tell it has been in decline for the past number of years. People will learn what Jefferson and especially Madison among many of our "founding fathers" really wanted for this country...

we're just gonna have to let the shit hit the fan and see what happens.