please.

[deetdeet]

Stop calling these shitty new fashion metalcore/christcore bands hardcore. It's fine with me that you listen to them, but, THEY ARE NOT HARDCORE. Before you call me an elitest, i listen to MANY different genres. But I certainly dont insult them by refering to them as something they aren't.

[Pat Marquez]

Stop calling these shitty new fashion metalcore/christcore bands hardcore. It's fine with me that you listen to them, but, THEY ARE NOT HARDCORE. Before you call me an elitest, i listen to MANY different genres. But I certainly dont insult them by refering to them as something they aren't.
Hey ***, you have a Finch icon. You are not an elitist.

[deetdeet]

Stop calling these shitty new fashion metalcore/christcore bands hardcore. It's fine with me that you listen to them, but, THEY ARE NOT HARDCORE. Before you call me an elitest, i listen to MANY different genres. But I certainly dont insult them by refering to them as something they aren't...

[Pat Marquez]

..
I'll be honest - I didn't know Christcore was a genre.

[Love As Arson]

I'd be interested to see what you would consider hardcore.

But, as Pat said, your opinion is invalidated by your Finch avatar.

[Drew Beringer]

I'll be honest - I didn't know Christcore was a genre.

Haha, same here. WTF Christcore? That's almost as bad as fashioncore.

[deetdeet]

I'd be interested to see what you would consider hardcore.

But, as Pat said, your opinion is invalidated by your Finch avatar.

at the moment, my fav hardcore bands are

casey jones
kids like us
no warning
until the end
hatebreed
blood for blood
bold
champion

[tRigGerFinGeR]

I'd be interested to see what you would consider hardcore.

But, as Pat said, your opinion is invalidated by your Finch avatar.

I love you.

[KarolaBloch]

well good for you.. but please do not take the ignorance of a few to be of many of us.. cause i like a lot of those bands..and well dom,pat, tj, myself, tony and many others know what hardcore is.. sooo before you come on here making hasty generalizations please do your homework and realize that we are not all the same.. cause when it comes down to it.. you are the most hardcore here.. clearly.

[deetdeet]

well good for you.. but please do not take the ignorance of a few to be of many of us.. cause i like a lot of those bands..and well dom,pat, tj, myself, tony and many others know what hardcore is.. sooo before you come on here making hasty generalizations please do your homework and realize that we are not all the same.. cause when it comes down to it.. you are the most hardcore here.. clearly.

I didnt accuse anybody in particular, i was just a little upset when i read a comment to a norma jean news post saying that their new cd is one of the best hardcore cd's ever. That killed me.

[last light]

I didnt accuse anybody in particular, i was just a little upset when i read a comment to a norma jean news post saying that their new cd is one of the best hardcore cd's ever. That killed me.

norma jean IS A HARDCORE BAND. what do you call them if not a hardcore band? id love to hear it.

[VeloriumCamper]

im jewish....i wish there was JewCore bands....

im going to start a jewcore band, who wants to be in it? :love:

[btbam > you]

I'll be honest - I didn't know Christcore was a genre.


yea seriously.. i wonder what color belt you're supposed to wear if you listen to christcore.. :headshake

[last light]

yea seriously.. i wonder what color belt you're supposed to wear if you listen to christcore.. :headshake

hahah wow youre hot. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude norma jean isnt heavy enough to be hardcoreeeeeeee

[btbam > you]

I didnt accuse anybody in particular, i was just a little upset when i read a comment to a norma jean news post saying that their new cd is one of the best hardcore cd's ever. That killed me.


thanks for calling me out bud.. i don't care if you listen to some of the original hardcore bands or some new tuff-guy ones. i'm not a fan of that style of hardcore but i'm not denying that it's hardcore. whatever dude, it's fucking music, get the stick out of your ass and move on.

[last light]

thanks for calling me out bud.. i don't care if you listen to some of the original hardcore bands or some new tuff-guy ones. i'm not a fan of that style of hardcore but i'm not denying that it's hardcore. whatever dude, it's fucking music, get the stick out of your ass and move on.

RAHHHHHHHHH YOU FUCKIN' BASTARDS.

[deetdeet]

norma jean IS A HARDCORE BAND. what do you call them if not a hardcore band? id love to hear it.

christcore.

Hardcore stands for things like friendship, unity, resposibility, strengh, etc.

Christcore stands for jesus.

Let me show you some lyrics to a hardcore band:

Youth of today

You watch my back
I'll watch yours
I love my friends

Alone in a crowd, but we're still standing strong
With X's up fists and sing alongs
Times like these are what we live for
These days are more than we'd ever hoped for
We're still here, and we'll never forget the words we said
Time flies by, and the promises made will stay with us
Through our lives
We're not finished yet, that's right
They tried to break the best of us
But still our hearts are true to promises kept

and now a christcore band:

Norma Jean

Christ is not a fashoin, fleeting away.
He laid emeralds in her eyes,
But I’d already tried a bracelt made of gold
And a scarlet thread around her wrist.
Everything was wrong so we sang sentimental songs.
Oh how seldom we belong but how elegant our kiss.
We painted crooked lines
But danced in perfect time to a love so much refined,
We know not what it is until like a dullen wine we pour into a grief know before
But never quite like this.
All I know now is regret,
It follows like a silhouette along the cobbelstone behind us,
But has nothing to say except to innocently ask,
Its voice delicate as glass,
Do you see me when we pass?
But I continue on my way.

[btbam > you]

christcore.

Hardcore stands for things like friendship, unity, resposibility, strengh, etc.

Christcore stands for jesus.

Let me show you some lyrics to a hardcore band:

Youth of today

You watch my back
I'll watch yours
I love my friends

Alone in a crowd, but we're still standing strong
With X's up fists and sing alongs
Times like these are what we live for
These days are more than we'd ever hoped for
We're still here, and we'll never forget the words we said
Time flies by, and the promises made will stay with us
Through our lives
We're not finished yet, that's right
They tried to break the best of us
But still our hearts are true to promises kept

Norma Jean

Christ is not a fashoin, fleeting away.
He laid emeralds in her eyes,
But I’d already tried a bracelt made of gold
And a scarlet thread around her wrist.
Everything was wrong so we sang sentimental songs.
Oh how seldom we belong but how elegant our kiss.
We painted crooked lines
But danced in perfect time to a love so much refined,
We know not what it is until like a dullen wine we pour into a grief know before
But never quite like this.
All I know now is regret,
It follows like a silhouette along the cobbelstone behind us,
But has nothing to say except to innocently ask,
Its voice delicate as glass,
Do you see me when we pass?
But I continue on my way.


i never knew music genres were determined by lyrics.. thanks for the heads up man!

[deetdeet]

i never knew music genres were determined by lyrics.. thanks for the heads up man!

are you retarded?

[KarolaBloch]

oh dear... so what is everyone doing this weeke nd? i think he kidna has a point.

[last light]

are you retarded?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA YOU ARE OFFICIALLY THE BIGGEST FOOL IVE EVER SEEN ON THIS SITE. FUCKING WOW. CHRISTCORE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO ZAO ONE OF THE BIGGEST HARDCORE BANDS AROUND IS NOW CHRISTCORE HAHAHA WOW YOU ARE DUMB...CLEARLY JUST GOT INTO HEAVY MUSIC WITHIN THE PAST YEAR...AHAAHHAHAHAHAH WHAT A JOKE.

[mondeoman]

im jewish....i wish there was JewCore bands....

im going to start a jewcore band, who wants to be in it? :love:
Oh I'm part Jew but I'm in!!

[deetdeet]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA YOU ARE OFFICIALLY THE BIGGEST FOOL IVE EVER SEEN ON THIS SITE. FUCKING WOW. CHRISTCORE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO ZAO ONE OF THE BIGGEST HARDCORE BANDS AROUND IS NOW CHRISTCORE HAHAHA WOW YOU ARE DUMB...CLEARLY JUST GOT INTO HEAVY MUSIC WITHIN THE PAST YEAR...AHAAHHAHAHAHAH WHAT A JOKE.

zao is NOT HARDCORE. Seriously i wish you would go to a real hardcore show. You would probably get your ass beat for saying that out loud.

[btbam > you]

are you retarded?

so if someone said that underoath was screamo or whatever you'd like to call them, would you argue that they're "christcore" because some songs talk about jesus?

[last light]

deetdeet basically describes everything wrong with the hardcore scene today, and is part of the reason it has turned to utter shit. i cant even believe someone is so ignorant that they would write off a band as "christcore" and not hardcore...hardcore is the new ska...that proves it right there.

[btbam > you]

zao is NOT HARDCORE. Seriously i wish you would go to a real hardcore show. You would probably get your ass beat for saying that out loud.



dude, i hear the new throwdown cd is gonna be pretty siq bro!

[deetdeet]

so if someone said that underoath was screamo or whatever you'd like to call them, would you argue that they're "christcore" because some songs talk about jesus?

new underoath is screamo
old uneroath is christcore

[punkpixie]

zao is NOT HARDCORE. Seriously i wish you would go to a real hardcore show. You would probably get your ass beat for saying that out loud.

I'm not getting involved in the argument, but I do like your username.

[deetdeet]

deetdeet basically describes everything wrong with the hardcore scene today, and is part of the reason it has turned to utter shit. i cant even believe someone is so ignorant that they would write off a band as "christcore" and not hardcore...hardcore is the new ska...that proves it right there.

You dont know what the real hardcore scene is. All you know is Fuse and absolutepunk.net.

[last light]

zao is NOT HARDCORE. Seriously i wish you would go to a real hardcore show. You would probably get your ass beat for saying that out loud.


trust me ive been to a million more hardcore shows then youve ever been to. you dont know shit clearly. look at the bands you posted as hardcore...those bands=tough guy. the end. ive seen hatebreed with converge...id love to see you tell someone at that show that there is such thing as christcore, or any other type of cores...youd get laughed at. you are the scum of the scene. its dead because of fans like you. dear god. go listen to throwdown and preach brotherhood since thats what only hardcore does. if it preaches brotherhood and togetherness then NORMA JEAN is most definitely hardcore because they preach it in the christian community. get a clue...better yet just go jump off a bridge.

[punkerx99]

at the moment, my fav hardcore bands are

casey jones
kids like us
no warning
until the end
hatebreed
blood for blood
bold
champion

Pretty good bands. I like CJ and KLU, but I LOVE Champion.

I love hardcore, but no one cares about your opinion.

[btbam > you]

new underoath is screamo
old uneroath is christcore



in the last song on the new underoath cd, he clearly says "jesus i'm ready to come home".. based on your previous statement, i would believe that to be "christcore"..

[EnderDove]

You dont know what the real hardcore scene is. All you know is Fuse and absolutepunk.net.
You have no clue how much comedy you're providing for us all.

[deetdeet]

trust me ive been to a million more hardcore shows then youve ever been to. you dont know shit clearly. look at the bands you posted as hardcore...those bands=tough guy. the end. ive seen hatebreed with converge...id love to see you tell someone at that show that there is such thing as christcore, or any other type of cores...youd get laughed at. you are the scum of the scene. its dead because of fans like you. dear god. go listen to throwdown and preach brotherhood since thats what only hardcore does. if it preaches brotherhood and togetherness then NORMA JEAN is most definitely hardcore because they preach it in the christian community. get a clue...better yet just go jump off a bridge.

no you havnt.

[last light]

You have no clue how much comedy you're providing for us all.

hahaha so true

[punkerx99]

trust me ive been to a million more hardcore shows then youve ever been to. you dont know shit clearly. look at the bands you posted as hardcore...those bands=tough guy. the end. ive seen hatebreed with converge...id love to see you tell someone at that show that there is such thing as christcore, or any other type of cores...youd get laughed at. you are the scum of the scene. its dead because of fans like you. dear god. go listen to throwdown and preach brotherhood since thats what only hardcore does. if it preaches brotherhood and togetherness then NORMA JEAN is most definitely hardcore because they preach it in the christian community. get a clue...better yet just go jump off a bridge.

You are a fucking idiot. You think Youth of Today and Champion are tough guy bands? Jesus Christ (pun intended)! Norma Jean is nothing close to a hardcore band. Do you know anything about the history of hardcore? How does Norma Jean sound like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, etc. etc. etc? Norma Jean is a not a hardcore band by a long shot.

You, my friend, are the idiot. You are the one who needs to get a clue. Stop talking shit about what you don't know about.

Hardcore= Gorilla Biscuits, Bane, 7 Seconds, Champion, Comeback Kid, Righteous Jams, Minor Threat, Black Flag, Good Clean Fun, Ten Yard Fight, Death Before Dishonor, Killing The Dream, Outbreak, Lights Out, Sinking Ships, In My Eyes, Count Me Out, Inside Out, etc.

[last light]

no you havnt.

hahahaha i guarentee i have. the end. you are so fucking stupid it amazes us all. zao isnt hardcore. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

[deetdeet]

hahahaha i guarentee i have. the end. you are so fucking stupid it amazes us all. zao isnt hardcore. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

kill yourself

[last light]

You are a fucking idiot. You think Youth of Today and Champion are tough guy bands? Jesus Christ (pun intended)! Norma Jean is nothing close to a hardcore band. Do you know anything about the history of hardcore? How does Norma Jean sound like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, etc. etc. etc? Norma Jean is a not a hardcore band by a long shot.

You, my friend, are the idiot. You are the one who needs to get a clue. Stop talking shit about what you don't know about.


just fucking wow. cool man im glad you went and read where hardcore started, cause im sure in the 80's you were at every minor threat show you know since you were even old enough to know who they were. thats cool that they were hardcore...i dont give a fuck...that does not mean norma jean is not hardcore. genre's change over time as does the music. ah god you people who try and act like you were there at minor threat shows in 80's make me laugh.
haha dude youre 18...you werent into minor threat, get over it. i wasnt im not going to say i was...i dont need to. that type of hardcore is still hardcore...as is what is coming out today.

[btbam > you]

hey deetdeet,


upon further examination of your "old underoath is christcore, new underoath is screamo" statement..



times the word jesus is said on "the changing of the times" - 1
times the word jesus is said on "they're only chasing safety" - 1



that's all i have to say.

[punkerx99]

just fucking wow. cool man im glad you went and read where hardcore started, cause im sure in the 80's you were at every minor threat show you know since you were even old enough to know who they were. thats cool that they were hardcore...i dont give a fuck...that does not mean norma jean is not hardcore. genre's change over time as does the music. ah god you people who try and act like you were there at minor threat shows in 80's make me laugh.

I am 18 years old. I haven't been into hardcore for an incredibly long time. But, I know what I'm talking about. Hardcore can evolve, and it has, into modern bands like Bane, American Nightmare, Champion, Comeback Kid, etc. That still doesn't mean Norma Jean is a hardcore band.

[deetdeet]

hey deetdeet,


upon further examination of your "old underoath is christcore, new underoath is screamo" statement..



times the word jesus is said on "the changing of the times" - 1
times the word jesus is said on "they're only chasing safety" - 1



that's all i have to say.

you fucking moron. old underoath = act of depression and cries of the past. Look that shit up and then tell me how many times god and jesus is said.

I am 18 years old. I haven't been into hardcore for an incredibly long time. But, I know what I'm talking about. Hardcore can evolve, and it has, into modern bands like Bane, American Nightmare, Champion, Comeback Kid, etc. That still doesn't mean Norma Jean is a hardcore band.

thank you!!!!!

[last light]

I am 18 years old. I haven't been into hardcore for an incredibly long time. But, I know what I'm talking about. Hardcore can evolve, and it has, into modern bands like Bane, American Nightmare, Champion, Comeback Kid, etc. That still doesn't mean Norma Jean is a hardcore band.

modern bands like bane, championn, and comeback kid....just wow. i dont even know what to say. so whats norma jean lets hear it...hahaha if you say christcore then you have proven my point about how sad the scene is.

[KarolaBloch]

ohhh my lord... this is awful... everyone just settle down before saosinsam gets mad.. lets move on... next person to continue this subject of fighting about hardcore is going to get slapped.. seriously.. just cut it.

THIS THREAD IS NOW A THREAD ABOUT:

If you had a pet monkey do you think it would get along with a camel? or would you have to keep them seperated??? help me out!!!

[sweethypocrisy]

if norma jean arent hxc, what are they?

[last light]

if norma jean arent hxc, what are they?

according to the few idiots on here they are "christcore"

[KarolaBloch]

*SLAPS* warallthetime

[punkerx99]

modern bands like bane, championn, and comeback kid....just wow. i dont even know what to say. so whats norma jean lets hear it...hahaha if you say christcore then you have proven my point about how sad the scene is.

Christcore isn't a genre. I'd consider them metalcore, but others might differ. If you think Champion, Bane, and Comeback Kid aren't hardcore bands, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I have a job for you: go to bridge9.com/forum, and tell everyone there that you think Norma Jean is a hardcore band, and that Champion, Bane, and Comeback Kid aren't hardcore bands.

[btbam > you]

if norma jean arent hxc, what are they?


they're fucking christcore, duh.. at least that's what i'm being told.

[KarolaBloch]

hey hey now.. come on

:help:

[last light]

Christcore isn't a genre. I'd consider them metalcore, but others might differ. If you think Champion, Bane, and Comeback Kid aren't hardcore bands, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I have a job for you: go to bridge9.com/forum, and tell everyone there that you think Norma Jean is a hardcore band, and that Champion, Bane, and Comeback Kid aren't hardcore bands.


haha i didnt say they werent hardcore...go to lambgoat and say those bands are hardcore and see what they say.

[sweethypocrisy]

aren't hardcore bands.
1. i dont think he said those arent hardcore...
2. so the idiots on that boards matter more than the idiots on this board?

[KarolaBloch]

:download:

[sweethypocrisy]

hey hey now.. come on

:help:
no one is forcing you to read this thread.

im gonna go to iraq and start an allahxcore band

[KarolaBloch]

:tdo13: :tdo13: :tdo13: :

no shit buddy... but doesn't mean i can't be bother that people are fighting on this site about such shit as this

[apoemtothedead]

im jewish....i wish there was JewCore bands....

im going to start a jewcore band, who wants to be in it? :love:

ooo me. I'll play the nose flute.

jewish pride.

[btbam > you]

no one is forcing you to read this thread.

im gonna go to iraq and start an allahxcore band




hahahahahahahahahahahahaha i'm down to join with you. we can't sing about unity and strength though because we aren't hardcore, so just keep that in mind.

[punkerx99]

haha i didnt say they werent hardcore...go to lambgoat and say those bands are hardcore and see what they say.

Sweet... lambgoat. Not that I dislike As I Lay Dying (because I like them a lot), but I'm sure those kids consider them to be hardcore.

This thread is really hilarious (and sad).

You speak so passionately about something you aren't educated about. You are wrong, and there is no way you can be right. Norma Jean is not a hardcore band.

[sweethypocrisy]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha i'm down to join with you. we can't sing about unity and strength though because we aren't hardcore, so just keep that in mind.
ill make a note of that.

ill post some of our lyrics when i get home...(im at the library)

[juan_believes]

a camel would definately get along with my pet monkey

[sweethypocrisy]

id just spank my monkey

[falloutdrea19]

I didnt accuse anybody in particular, i was just a little upset when i read a comment to a norma jean news post saying that their new cd is one of the best hardcore cd's ever. That killed me.



go die then.

[KarolaBloch]

yeah monkeys are fun.. so are camels... yay!!

[punkerx99]

This whole christcore thing is stupid. It's not a genre. When I make statements about hardcore in this thread, I don't want to be associated with the threadstarter.

[pjtunes91]

I'd put Norma Jean under metalcore, not hardcore. There are so many variations of hardcore but I don't hear a single part of Norma Jean being in any of these types. Personally, I'm not a fan of Norma Jean, but that's not the case here... I'd just put them under metalcore and definitely not hardcore.

Whoever said Christcore, that doesn't exist dude. Christian metal, yea.

[punkerx99]

I'd put Norma Jean under metalcore, not hardcore. There are so many variations of hardcore but I don't hear a single part of Norma Jean being in any of these types. Personally, I'm not a fan of Norma Jean, but that's not the case here... I'd just put them under metalcore and definitely not hardcore.

Whoever said Christcore, that doesn't exist dude. Christian metal, yea.


Finally....

Thank you, Lance.

[btbam > you]

This whole christcore thing is stupid. It's not a genre. When I make statements about hardcore in this thread, I don't want to be associated with the threadstarter.


that's probably smart because i wouldn't want to be associated with him either.

[punkerx99]

that's probably smart because i wouldn't want to be associated with him either.
For reference: purevolume.com/thisishell is hardcore.

[YourLatestVicti]

For reference: purevolume.com/thisishell is hardcore.
My Chemical Romance is hardcore right?

[pjtunes91]

My Chemical Romance is hardcore right?
They're getting there. More eyeliner though.

[punkerx99]

My Chemical Romance is hardcore right?

No, they are death metal

[VeloriumCamper]

Oh I'm part Jew but I'm in!!

sweet, i think im going to name the band JIMMY DRINK MANISHEVITZ

[KarolaBloch]

shit.. norma jean= metalcore in my book.. ok i gave in.

[punkerx99]

sweet, i think im going to name the band JIMMY DRINK MANISHEVITZ

I'm Jewish too.

Have you ever heard of YIDcore? They are an Australian street punk band that covers prayers and traditional songs, in addition to writing their own stuff. I don't have any of their albums, but I have their cover of "Ma Nishtana." It's funny stuff.

[a typicalcliche]

norma jean is metalcore

[FinchBulldog2]

shut your face! :thumbsup:
hahaha

[last light]

metalcore=stupidest label in music history...bottom line is for someone to say hardcore preaches unity then they wouldnt exclude bands out of the genre because they sing about god...or dont sound more like heavy punk ex minor threat etc. for someone to say i dont know what im talking about makes me laugh...ive been around this scene before there was such thing as metalcore or labels...its fucking ridiculous. i love when i get told by 16 year olds what hardcore is. you kids dont know what its about, you just like it cause its cool to like it now. i dont care how many people say :"norma jean is metalcore" that is so fucking stupid. hardcore is hardcore. get over it. the scene is polluted with people that think they know what they are talking about and the truth is 99% of us dont. get over it. end of discussion.

[YourLatestVicti]

metalcore=stupidest label in music history...

Anything 'core' besides hardcore is stupid. Well actually Tatecore is kind of funny so I guess I can let that slide but besides that there are enough labels out there we don't need anymore 'cores'.

[punkerx99]

metalcore=stupidest label in music history...bottom line is for someone to say hardcore preaches unity then they wouldnt exclude bands out of the genre because they sing about god...or dont sound more like heavy punk ex minor threat etc. for someone to say i dont know what im talking about makes me laugh...ive been around this scene before there was such thing as metalcore or labels...its fucking ridiculous. i love when i get told by 16 year olds what hardcore is. you kids dont know what its about, you just like it cause its cool to like it now. i dont care how many people say :"norma jean is metalcore" that is so fucking stupid. hardcore is hardcore. get over it. the scene is polluted with people that think they know what they are talking about and the truth is 99% of us dont. get over it. end of discussion.

I'm not scene, and I don't give a shit about what's scene and what isn't.


I thought "christcore" was the stupidest label in music history. What happened? Minor Threat is not a "heavy punk band." They are one of, if not THE, original hardcore bands.

I don't care how long you've been in the scene. I know I haven't been in it for a long time. But, that still doesn't mean I can't know what I'm talking about.

I want to know what bands you think are hardcore.

[last light]

Anything 'core' besides hardcore is stupid. Well actually Tatecore is kind of funny so I guess I can let that slide but besides that there are enough labels out there we don't need anymore 'cores'.

agreed

[sweethypocrisy]

my allah core song

Praise be to allah!
you!
have!
SHOWN!
me the light!
We!
will!
bomb!
BOMB!
The americans!
down!
down!
DOWN!
with america!
PRAISE ALLAH!
ALLAH!
repeatx4

[btbam > you]

my allah core song

Praise be to allah!
you!
have!
SHOWN!
me the light!
We!
will!
bomb!
BOMB!
The americans!
down!
down!
DOWN!
with america!
PRAISE ALLAH!
ALLAH!
repeatx4


dude, that's a tight hardcore song.. uh-oh, am i gonna get shit for that?

[sweethypocrisy]

dude, that's a tight hardcore song.. uh-oh, am i gonna get shit for that?
yeah. cause i mightve hinted UNITY against america, but i also mentioned allah. that invalidates its hxc ness.

[last light]

I'm not scene, and I don't give a shit about what's scene and what isn't.


I thought "christcore" was the stupidest label in music history. What happened? Minor Threat is not a "heavy punk band." They are one of, if not THE, original hardcore bands.

I don't care how long you've been in the scene. I know I haven't been in it for a long time. But, that still doesn't mean I can't know what I'm talking about.

I want to know what bands you think are hardcore.


i want to know why you took the time to go read about whats hardcore...a minor threat, comeback kid, with honor all those bands are punk inspired..so to say they arent is ridiculous...that doesnt mean they arent hardcore bands...but if you cant listen to them and hear the punk roots then there is no point argueing with you...you want a list of hardcore bands here ya' go...first of ill ttell you straight up i dont listen to any of those bands...bane, comeback kid, with honor, because frankly they fucking suck. recording are horrid, vocals are horrid the end. sorry im not "hardcore enough" to listen to that shit apparently....
heres some hardcore bands off the top of my head...and i dont give a fuck if you think they are METALCORE or whatever you said. converge, blood has been shed, the acacia strain, as i lay dying, zao, norma jean, love lost but not forgotten, doom riders, the secret, through the eyes of the dead, still remains, dead to fall, poison the well, misery signals. light this city, into the moat, in reverent fear, from a second story window, fear before the march of flames...i dont know too many more

[btbam > you]

yeah. cause i mightve hinted UNITY against america, but i also mentioned allah. that invalidates its hxc ness.



so you've got hardcore lyrics AND allahcore lyrics.. im confused, i didn't think that was allowed.

[sweethypocrisy]

so you've got hardcore lyrics AND allahcore lyrics.. im confused, i didn't think that was allowed.
well yes but you cant be both so its allahcore.

[Candy_Warhol]

im jewish....i wish there was JewCore bands....

im going to start a jewcore band, who wants to be in it? :love:

i'm not jewish...
can i be in it anyway?? :)

[aminorthreat55]

i'm not jewish...
can i be in it anyway?? :)
Shut up, Whitney "Look at me I'm jewish" Walker.

[Candy_Warhol]

Shut up, Whitney "Look at me I'm jewish" Walker.

I SAID I WASN'T JEWISH, ASS
:animateds
hahahh.

[aminorthreat55]

I SAID I WASN'T JEWISH, ASS
:animateds
hahahh.
Liar. You know you are, especially with a name like that, it screams Jewish.

[Candy_Warhol]

Liar. You know you are, especially with a name like that, it screams Jewish.

hah right.
i'm not jewish thanks. my dad's all anti-religious-stuff and my mom just doesn't really care.

[aminorthreat55]

hah right.
i'm not jewish thanks. my dad's all anti-religious-stuff and my mom just doesn't really care.
Your dad is a nut, between the stuff you and Billiam tell me, I don't think I ever want to meet him.

[Candy_Warhol]

Your dad is a nut, between the stuff you and Billiam tell me, I don't think I ever want to meet him.

:headshake
you don't. really. my dad is a crazy bastard.

[deetdeet]

Bottom line is...i have real life friends and am part of a real life scene that means something to me. You internet retards dont know shit with the exception of a few of you. Go fix your eyeliner, losers.

[Candy_Warhol]

Bottom line is...i have real life friends and am part of a real life scene that means something to me. You internet retards dont know shit with the exception of a few of you. Go fix your eyeliner, losers.

ummm....
okay.

[sweethypocrisy]

Bottom line is...i have real life friends and am part of a real life scene that means something to me. You internet retards dont know shit with the exception of a few of you. Go fix your eyeliner, losers.
do you have down syndrome? seriously.
"i have real life friends"
yeah but you sit here and argue with people on the internet?
just because you got your shit ruined and you are a dumbass doesnt mean you have to insult us. please, mr christ core, back up more of your bullshit for us.

[KarolaBloch]

did you have to bring it back?

[Candy_Warhol]

do you have down syndrome? seriously.
"i have real life friends"
yeah but you sit here and argue with people on the internet?
just because you got your shit ruined and you are a dumbass doesnt mean you have to insult us. please, mr christ core, back up more of your bullshit for us.

:thumbsup:

[deetdeet]

do you have down syndrome? seriously.
"i have real life friends"
yeah but you sit here and argue with people on the internet?
just because you got your shit ruined and you are a dumbass doesnt mean you have to insult us. please, mr christ core, back up more of your bullshit for us.

i got my shit ruined? no.

come to orlando and fuck with me and you'll know what ruined shit is.

[a typicalcliche]

oh my, hahaha

[sweethypocrisy]

i got my shit ruined? no.

come to orlando and fuck with me and you'll know what ruined shit is.
HAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hahahahahahahhahahahahahha. dude! ahahhahah

you are threatening someone over the internet?!?! ahahahahahahahah. hahahaha.ahahaha.ahahaha.ahahaha.ah ahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahaahaa

its time you hung yourself.

[YourLatestVicti]

did you have to bring it back?
Yeah, I thought this thread was dead but no. We need more agruing about how this band isn't hardcore they're screamcore or christcore or whatever 'core' people can think of.

[Love As Arson]

domXcore 4 lyfe

[sweethypocrisy]

dont you mean blackxcore

[Love As Arson]

I was going to put "***.gerXcore", but white people would have been afraid to laugh or acknowledge it.

[sweethypocrisy]

haha.
maybe it wont edit you if you spread the word out
***gggggggggggfaaaaaaaggggggggggggg
niggggggggggerrrrrrrrr. niggggggggggerrrrrrrrrrrr.

[hXc_pwnage]

i got my shit ruined? no.

come to orlando and fuck with me and you'll know what ruined shit is.
You're a fucking moron.

Just shut the fuck up and stop being stupid. No one cares how many "real life" friends you have. More than likely you have none, since had to state, "OH MAN I HAVE REAL LIFE FRIENDS SO I'M COOL HAHAHA." Fucking retarded piece of shit.

[punkerx99]

i want to know why you took the time to go read about whats hardcore...a minor threat, comeback kid, with honor all those bands are punk inspired..so to say they arent is ridiculous...that doesnt mean they arent hardcore bands...but if you cant listen to them and hear the punk roots then there is no point argueing with you...you want a list of hardcore bands here ya' go...first of ill ttell you straight up i dont listen to any of those bands...bane, comeback kid, with honor, because frankly they fucking suck. recording are horrid, vocals are horrid the end. sorry im not "hardcore enough" to listen to that shit apparently....
heres some hardcore bands off the top of my head...and i dont give a fuck if you think they are METALCORE or whatever you said. converge, blood has been shed, the acacia strain, as i lay dying, zao, norma jean, love lost but not forgotten, doom riders, the secret, through the eyes of the dead, still remains, dead to fall, poison the well, misery signals. light this city, into the moat, in reverent fear, from a second story window, fear before the march of flames...i dont know too many more

You are really one of the dumbest and most naive people I've ever dealt with online. I enjoy hardcore. When I first got into the music (notice how I said "music"--I'm not part of the scene, and I don't go around calling myself "hardcore"), I wanted to know who inspired the bands I was listening to. I'm a music journalist-- I do interviews, reviews, etc. I like to be educated about music. They aren't inspired by punk bands. Champion, With Honor, Bane, and Comeback Kid have more in common with Minor Threat than they do The Ramones or The Clash.

It's not even like I dislike any of the bands you listed. I don't particuarly like Norma Jean, but As I Lay Dying is great. It's so blatantly obvious that they are metalcore, if not metal. Don't you hear the metal influence? Is it that hard to listen for?

Honestly, I'm tired of this conversation. You are the biggest idiot on absolutepunk.net. It's not because you think As I Lay Dying and Norma Jean are hardcore bands, but it's because you won't hear me out, even though I (and a few others) know what they are talking about. I really don't have much more to say than that.

[a typicalcliche]

You're a fucking moron.

Just shut the fuck up and stop being stupid. No one cares how many "real life" friends you have. More than likely you have none, since had to state, "OH MAN I HAVE REAL LIFE FRIENDS SO I'M COOL HAHAHA." Fucking retarded piece of shit.
pwned

[hXc_pwnage]

You are really one of the dumbest and most naive people I've ever dealt with online. I enjoy hardcore. When I first got into the music (notice how I said "music"--I'm not part of the scene, and I don't go around calling myself "hardcore"), I wanted to know who inspired the bands I was listening to. I'm a music journalist-- I do interviews, reviews, etc. I like to be educated about music. They aren't inspired by punk bands. Champion, With Honor, Bane, and Comeback Kid have more in common with Minor Threat than they do The Ramones or The Clash.

It's not even like I dislike any of the bands you listed. I don't particuarly like Norma Jean, but As I Lay Dying is great. It's so blatantly obvious that they are metalcore, if not metal. Don't you hear the metal influence? Is it that hard to listen for?

Honestly, I'm tired of this conversation. You are the biggest idiot on absolutepunk.net. It's not because you think As I Lay Dying and Norma Jean are hardcore bands, but it's because you won't hear me out, even though I (and a few others) know what they are talking about. I really don't have much more to say than that.
They do have punk roots. Just listen. Yes, there is mostly hardcore in there, but they do have punk influence.

[Love As Arson]

Rule #1: Simply because a band screams doesn't mean they are hardcore.

[hXc_pwnage]

Rule #2: If you think distinguished genres don't exist, kill yourself immediately.

[punkerx99]

They do have punk roots.

Sure, they have punk roots because they were inspired by Minor Threat (etc.), who were in turn inspired by punk bands. At the start, hardcore was just punk played faster--no frills, no bullshit. Minor Threat is a good example of that style.

[Candy_Warhol]

Rule #1: Simply because a band screams doesn't mean they are hardcore.

agreed
:thumbsup:

[hXc_pwnage]

Sure, they have punk roots because they were inspired by Minor Threat (etc.), who were in turn inspired by punk bands. At the start, hardcore was just punk played faster--no frills, no bullshit. Minor Threat is a good example of that style.
Exactly. I mean, you can't say they don't have punk roots, because they do.

But I still can't believe this kid is talking about there not being metalcore. What the fuck?

[a typicalcliche]

agreed
:thumbsup:
so hawthrone heights isnt hardcore :(

[Candy_Warhol]

so hawthrone heights isnt hardcore :(

well, frankly i don't see why it matters what this kid says.
it's obvious he's a closeminded idiot.
he could say whatever he wants about hardcore/metalcore/whateverxxxcore and i couldn't care less.

[sweethypocrisy]

Rule #3: just because a band screams and sings doesnt make them screamo.

[punkerx99]

well, frankly i don't see why it matters what this kid says.
it's obvious he's a closeminded idiot.
he could say whatever he wants about hardcore/metalcore/whateverxxxcore and i couldn't care less.

Are you talking about me?

[hXc_pwnage]

You don't know what screamo is.

And christcore? What the fuck?

[mat1419]

let's get brendon allin to settle this...he'd be impartial

[Candy_Warhol]

Are you talking about me?

no
not you.
"deetdeet" and whoever else feels the need to start that kind of craziness.

[sweethypocrisy]

You don't know what screamo is.

And christcore? What the fuck?
hot cross...saetia.. i think? i dont know. fuck. hh are screamo though right?

christ core my cock.

[punkerx99]

no
not you.
"deetdeet" and whoever else feels the need to start that kind of craziness.

Oh. Alright.

[Alan Rupp]

i want to know why you took the time to go read about whats hardcore...a minor threat, comeback kid, with honor all those bands are punk inspired..so to say they arent is ridiculous...that doesnt mean they arent hardcore bands...but if you cant listen to them and hear the punk roots then there is no point argueing with you...you want a list of hardcore bands here ya' go...first of ill ttell you straight up i dont listen to any of those bands...bane, comeback kid, with honor, because frankly they fucking suck. recording are horrid, vocals are horrid the end. sorry im not "hardcore enough" to listen to that shit apparently....
heres some hardcore bands off the top of my head...and i dont give a fuck if you think they are METALCORE or whatever you said. converge, blood has been shed, the acacia strain, as i lay dying, zao, norma jean, love lost but not forgotten, doom riders, the secret, through the eyes of the dead, still remains, dead to fall, poison the well, misery signals. light this city, into the moat, in reverent fear, from a second story window, fear before the march of flames...i dont know too many more
Wait. You're 20 years old, but yet you claim to be "oh-so-educated" about the scene and you've been in it longer than all of us? Don't be an idiot. I usually try to stay out of these ridiculous arguments (emo anyone?) because no matter what I say it doesn't matter. But I'll make the exception for you because you seem to be so completely uneducated and brickheaded that you need to be told. Here's a rule to live by:

"if it ain't punk, it ain't hardcore"

deal with it

Andrew, Lance, and new guy know what they're talking about. If you listened to them, you might learn something.

[punkerx99]

hot cross...saetia.. i think? i dont know. fuck. hh are screamo though right?

christ core my cock.

I'm not huge on screamo (I don't think I've heard enough), but Hot Cross is damn good from what I've heard.

I consider Hawthorne Heights be screamo-death-core. :animateds

[Drew Beringer]

let's get brendon allin to settle this...he'd be impartial

Very true.

[Alan Rupp]

hot cross...saetia.. i think? i dont know. fuck. hh are screamo though right?

christ core my cock.
I'll say Saetia's screamo, but Hot Cross is probably more "tech-metal"...I guess

post-screamo?

ha

[punkerx99]

Wait. You're 20 years old, but yet you claim to be "oh-so-educated" about the scene and you've been in it longer than all of us? Don't be an idiot. I usually try to stay out of these ridiculous arguments (emo anyone?) because no matter what I say it doesn't matter. But I'll make the exception for you because you seem to be so completely uneducated and brickheaded that you need to be told. Here's a rule to live by:

"if it ain't punk, it ain't hardcore"

deal with it

Andrew, Lance, and new guy know what they're talking about. If you listened to them, you might learn something.

Thank you, Alan.

[sweethypocrisy]

Andrew, Lance, and new guy know what they're talking about. If you listened to them, you might learn something.
mr. christxcore is right?!?! WTF. im gonna go over to UT and cane your ass.

[Alan Rupp]

Thank you, Alan.
No problem. It's hard work setting kids straight.

mr. christxcore is right?!?! WTF. im gonna go over to UT and cane your ass.
haha, not about Christcore (what a moronic genre), but about hardcore in general

Norma Jean is metalcore.

[punkerx99]

No problem. It's hard work setting kids straight.

HA!

Anyway, I wasn't even trying to be a dick. He's just the most closeminded person I've ever seen.

[a typicalcliche]

Very true.
leakmob!

[sweethypocrisy]

ok but hes still a moron.

[Alan Rupp]

HA!

Anyway, I wasn't even trying to be a dick. He's just the most closeminded person I've ever seen.
Oh I know. I didn't think you sounded like a dick at all. I'm just waiting for hardcore to not be fashionable anymore so lame pop-punk bands who scream don't claim to be hardcore.

ok but hes still a moron.
Maybe the way he went about it. But he knows what he's talking about about hardcore.

[Love As Arson]

I consider Public Enemy hardcore.

[Alan Rupp]

I consider Public Enemy hardcore.
911 IS A JOKE!

[punkerx99]

Oh I know. I didn't think you sounded like a dick at all. I'm just waiting for hardcore to not be fashionable anymore so lame pop-punk bands who scream don't claim to be hardcore.


I like most of those bands ( :( ). Not Underoath, but I do dig Boys Night Out, Taking Back Sunday, My Chemical Romance, and some others. I'm a pop-punk kid at heart.

[hXc_pwnage]

HA!

Anyway, I wasn't even trying to be a dick. He's just the most closeminded person I've ever seen.
Sometimes you have to be an asshole.

[Love As Arson]

911 IS A JOKE!
Fight the power.

[hXc_pwnage]

I like most of those bands ( :( ). Not Underoath, but I do dig Boys Night Out, Taking Back Sunday, My Chemical Romance, and some others. I'm a pop-punk kid at heart.
Why no UnderOATH?

[sweethypocrisy]

Maybe the way he went about it. But he knows what he's talking about about hardcore.
cept for the christ core thing.

and the "come to orlando and fuck with me' thing. that gives him moron certification.

[hXc_pwnage]

Fight the power.
Fuck tha po-lice.

[Alan Rupp]

I like most of those bands ( :( ). Not Underoath, but I do dig Boys Night Out, Taking Back Sunday, My Chemical Romance, and some others. I'm a pop-punk kid at heart.
Oh I know, I like a lot of those bands too, but it's annoying when they claim to be hardcore (or even worse, emo). Just realize you're a pop band and I'll have more respect for you.

[punkerx99]

Why no UnderOATH?

The overdramatic singing/screaming Taking Back Sunday rip-off stuff gets old after a while. It's not that I hate them, but unless I'm really in the mood I won't listen to stuff like that. If I had heard them about two years ago, I probably would love them. I think I'm going to give them another listen anyway.

[hXc_pwnage]

Fall Out Boy is so emocore.

[Alan Rupp]

cept for the christ core thing.

and the "come to orlando and fuck with me' thing. that gives him moron certification.
Yeah, I kind of ignored that.

Although, in his defense, he was antagonized.

[punkerx99]

Oh I know, I like a lot of those bands too, but it's annoying when they claim to be hardcore (or even worse, emo). Just realize you're a pop band and I'll have more respect for you.

Word.

Anyway, is there a way I can change my username and keep my stats? I've had this thing for too long, and it is stupid.

[hXc_pwnage]

The overdramatic singing/screaming Taking Back Sunday rip-off stuff gets old after a while. It's not that I hate them, but unless I'm really in the mood I won't listen to stuff like that. If I had heard them about two years ago, I probably would love them. I think I'm going to give them another listen anyway.
When it comes to the poppunk-core stuff, I think UnderOATH does it pretty well. The new stuff is ok, but nothing that good. I'm kind of intrested as to what the next cd will sound like.

[punkerx99]

Fall Out Boy is so emocore.

Fall Out Boy is so the best pop-punk band around.

[hXc_pwnage]

Word.

Anyway, is there a way I can change my username and keep my stats? I've had this thing for too long, and it is stupid.
Nope.

[Drew Beringer]

leakmob!

Hell yeah Leakmob.

[hXc_pwnage]

Fall Out Boy is so the best pop-punk band around.
I can easily agree there.

I love me some Fall Out Boy.

[punkerx99]

When it comes to the poppunk-core stuff, I think UnderOATH does it pretty well. The new stuff is ok, but nothing that good. I'm kind of intrested as to what the next cd will sound like.

I'll give 'em another listen on purevolume right now. I'll let you know what I think.

[Pat Marquez]

new underoath is screamo
old uneroath is christcore

You are a fucking moron.

[hXc_pwnage]

I'll give 'em another listen on purevolume right now. I'll let you know what I think.
It took me a while to get into it. The opening track, the I've Got 10 friends or whatever song is really good, and It's Dangerous Buisness.. are probably their best ones.

[aminorthreat55]

You are a fucking moron.
I love the picture in your signature.

[Love As Arson]

Fact:

The Starting Line makes better pop punk than Fall Out Boy.

Just listen to "Say It Like You Mean It".

[punkerx99]

Fact:

The Starting Line makes better pop punk than Fall Out Boy.

Just listen to "Say It Like You Mean It".

Say It Like You Mean It is quality. I like Fall Out Boy more though.

[aminorthreat55]

I consider Public Enemy hardcore.
Dom, do you have "It Takes A Nation Of Millions..." because I can't find it anywhere and have been dying to listen to it.

[a typicalcliche]

Fact:

The Starting Line makes better pop punk than Fall Out Boy.

Just listen to "Say It Like You Mean It".
agrees

[aminorthreat55]

Or does anyone have it for that matter?

[Love As Arson]

Say It Like You Mean It is quality. I like Fall Out Boy more though.
No taste.

[punkerx99]

It took me a while to get into it. The opening track, the I've Got 10 friends or whatever song is really good, and It's Dangerous Buisness.. are probably their best ones.

The singer's voice sounds exactly like Adam Lazzara's. The music just sounds like a harder version of TBS with some screaming. I probably would have liked this a few years ago, but I don't really like a lot of bands like this anymore.

[Love As Arson]

Dom, do you have "It Takes A Nation Of Millions..." because I can't find it anywhere and have been dying to listen to it.
Nope.

[aminorthreat55]

I'm actually listening to Starting Line right now, media player on shuffle, came up as I read that post, weird.

[punkerx99]

No taste.

Agree to disagree.

[a typicalcliche]

Nope.
hey do you like taken?

[aminorthreat55]

Nope.
Dammit.

[Pat Marquez]

I love the picture in your signature.
ME TO.

[Love As Arson]

hey do you like taken?
They're alright, I suppose.

Agree to disagree.
Nah, I'm right.

[a typicalcliche]

They're alright, I suppose.


Nah, I'm right.
aww i see, have you heard their last ep?

[punkerx99]

hey do you like taken?

Out of curiosity, do you post on the Thrice boards?

[a typicalcliche]

Out of curiosity, do you post on the Thrice boards?
yep

[punkerx99]

yep
You looked familiar. I'm UltraBlue99.

[a typicalcliche]

You looked familiar. I'm UltraBlue99.
aww i see, im billy

[btbam > you]

Norma Jean is metalcore.



how is norma jean metalcore? they have little to no metal influences in their guitar riffs or anything? call them whatever you want, but i don't feel metalcore is an accurate description.

[Love As Arson]

how is norma jean metalcore? they have little to no metal influences in their guitar riffs or anything? call them whatever you want, but i don't feel metalcore is an accurate description.
You're a deaf moron.

[btbam > you]

You're a deaf moron.


sorry, i didnt know that playing a variety of dischords over barred power chords is metal.

[Alan Rupp]

how is norma jean metalcore? they have little to no metal influences in their guitar riffs or anything? call them whatever you want, but i don't feel metalcore is an accurate description.
What are you talking about? No metal influence? I'm not talking Poison and Ratt, I'm talking bands that took bits of hardcore and mixed it with metal in the 80s. I think it's fairly obvious. If you listen to any hardcore from the late 80s, it would hit you like a brick, "Norma Jean is not hardcore." Now, mid-90s hardcore is a different story, that was a lot more metal influenced, but eventually by 98 or so it was starting to come back to some youth crew styles and some even earlier DC influenced hardcore bands. These bands are modern hardcore.

Now, I'm no metalcore expert and I won't be able to tell you its progression or anything, but from what I've read about what I've discovered from my own conclusions, Norma Jean is metalcore.

Just for argument's sake, what would you consider is an accurate description?

[btbam > you]

What are you talking about? No metal influence? I'm not talking Poison and Ratt, I'm talking bands that took bits of hardcore and mixed it with metal in the 80s. I think it's fairly obvious. If you listen to any hardcore from the late 80s, it would hit you like a brick, "Norma Jean is not hardcore." Now, mid-90s hardcore is a different story, that was a lot more metal influenced, but eventually by 98 or so it was starting to come back to some youth crew styles and some even earlier DC influenced hardcore bands. These bands are modern hardcore.

Now, I'm no metalcore expert and I won't be able to tell you its progression or anything, but from what I've read about what I've discovered from my own conclusions, Norma Jean is metalcore.

Just for argument's sake, what would you consider is an accurate description?


as much as i hate these sub-genres when i think of metal-core, i think of as i lay dying. obvious metal influence in the guitar work. norma jean doesn't play metal. they play a bunch of disonant stuff in odd time signatures. that to me, is far from metal.. any kind of metal whether its poison or whether its the mid-90's metal-influenced hardcore, i really don't feel that norma jean takes from any of those bands.

now i know that norma jean doesn't sound like late 80's hardcore, DC hardcore bands, or whatever other types you were talking about.. but those times are past and there's new branches of the genre for the new times so i feel that norma jean is one of those bands.


disagree with me all you want, i don't care.. this is my opinion and i'm sticking by it.

[Love As Arson]

as much as i hate these sub-genres when i think of metal-core, i think of as i lay dying. obvious metal influence in the guitar work. norma jean doesn't play metal. they play a bunch of disonant stuff in odd time signatures. that to me, is far from metal.. any kind of metal whether its poison or whether its the mid-90's metal-influenced hardcore, i really don't feel that norma jean takes from any of those bands.

now i know that norma jean doesn't sound like late 80's hardcore, DC hardcore bands, or whatever other types you were talking about.. but those times are past and there's new branches of the genre for the new times so i feel that norma jean is one of those bands.


disagree with me all you want, i don't care.. this is my opinion and i'm sticking by it.
See, they call bands like Norma Jean with odd time signatures math metal. A variation on metalcore.

[btbam > you]

See, they call bands like Norma Jean with odd time signatures math metal. A variation on metalcore.


i still dont see the "metal" part in it, but i guess the "math" part makes sense.

[Love As Arson]

i still dont see the "metal" part in it, but i guess the "math" part makes sense.
You don't see it because of your ignorance of genres.

[Alan Rupp]

as much as i hate these sub-genres when i think of metal-core, i think of as i lay dying. obvious metal influence in the guitar work. norma jean doesn't play metal. they play a bunch of disonant stuff in odd time signatures. that to me, is far from metal.. any kind of metal whether its poison or whether its the mid-90's metal-influenced hardcore, i really don't feel that norma jean takes from any of those bands.

now i know that norma jean doesn't sound like late 80's hardcore, DC hardcore bands, or whatever other types you were talking about.. but those times are past and there's new branches of the genre for the new times so i feel that norma jean is one of those bands.


disagree with me all you want, i don't care.. this is my opinion and i'm sticking by it.
That's fine. So you don't want to consider them metalcore, I can live with that, I really don't care (because I think they're sort of hard to classify), but they ARE NOT hardcore. It's as simple as that. "A bunch of disonant stuff in odd time signatures" is about as far from hardcore as you can get. It's true, hardcore has changed since then, but not that much. And when it does change, it usually gets a new name (like all genres). You wouldn't call punk "rock and roll" just because rock and roll progressed to that at some point. It gets a new designation to separate it from the different roots of rock and roll and the other bands that retained the old sound.

You can stick to your opinion, you just need to understand that you are dead wrong.

[YourLatestVicti]

Just agree to disagree and let this thread die. I've seen people talk about sub-genres of sub-genres. It's music and some of you like it others don't. Now can we please just end this stupid argument?

I'm sorry that I sound like I'm whining but math metal just seems so unnecissary.

[btbam > you]

That's fine. So you don't want to consider them metalcore, I can live with that, I really don't care (because I think they're sort of hard to classify), but they ARE NOT hardcore. It's as simple as that. "A bunch of disonant stuff in odd time signatures" is about as far from hardcore as you can get. It's true, hardcore has changed since then, but not that much. And when it does change, it usually gets a new name (like all genres). You wouldn't call punk "rock and roll" just because rock and roll progressed to that at some point. It gets a new designation to separate it from the different roots of rock and roll and the other bands that retained the old sound.

You can stick to your opinion, you just need to understand that you are dead wrong.



so then what is this new-named genre?

[AshesAshes]

genres are confusing..... :headshake

[Alan Rupp]

Just agree to disagree and let this thread die. I've seen people talk about sub-genres of sub-genres. It's music and some of you like it others don't. Now can we please just end this stupid argument?

I'm sorry that I sound like I'm whining but math metal just seems so unnecissary.
You can not open the thread can't you?

And yes, classification is necessary to "sort" different bands. That'd be like saying "yellow-orange is an unnecessary color because we already have yellow and orange, why couldn't you just say a mix of yellow and orange to describe something?"

Well, wouldn't it be easier to say "yellow-orange" and have everyone know what you mean than to go into a long spiel about what mixes of what colors it is?

so then what is this new-named genre?
What new named genre?

[leika]

... so are genders. :headshake

[btbam > you]

You can not open the thread can't you?

And yes, classification is necessary to "sort" different bands. That'd be like saying "yellow-orange is an unnecessary color because we already have yellow and orange, why couldn't you just say a mix of yellow and orange to describe something?"

Well, wouldn't it be easier to say "yellow-orange" and have everyone know what you mean than to go into a long spiel about what mixes of what colors it is?


What new named genre?



you said that hardcore has changed since then and gets a new name for it.

[YourLatestVicti]

You can not open the thread can't you?

And yes, classification is necessary to "sort" different bands. That'd be like saying "yellow-orange is an unnecessary color because we already have yellow and orange, why couldn't you just say a mix of yellow and orange to describe something?"

Well, wouldn't it be easier to say "yellow-orange" and have everyone know what you mean than to go into a long spiel about what mixes of what colors it is?


What new named genre?
I see what you're saying and yes I could just ignore this thread. But as for your example yellow-orange makes sense because people know what you're talking about. I mean at the begining of this thread we had 'christ core'. Now you're breaking down metalcore in even smaller parts, to me it seems completely unnecissary. I mean you do have a point but to me it seems there are so many genres that people are trying to be too specific and it's just making things confusing.

[Alan Rupp]

you said that hardcore has changed since then and gets a new name for it.
There are a lot of different genres that grew out of hardcore...I don't know what you're asking. Everytime hardcore changed, it got a new name (emo, post-hardcore, metalcore, grindcore, thrash, etc), but there were still bands playing the original style.
I see what you're saying and yes I could just ignore this thread. But as for your example yellow-orange makes sense because people know what you're talking about. I mean at the begining of this thread we had 'christ core'. Now you're breaking down metalcore in even smaller parts, to me it seems completely unnecissary. I mean you do have a point but to me it seems there are so many genres that people are trying to be too specific and it's just making things confusing.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Kind of ironic that in an attempt at classification and ease, all the genres only confuse people. Remember, there still exists perriwinkle blue and marigold. There are other shades of color that need to be defined just like music that doesn't fit neatly in one genre.

[pjtunes91]

metalcore=stupidest label in music history...bottom line is for someone to say hardcore preaches unity then they wouldnt exclude bands out of the genre because they sing about god...or dont sound more like heavy punk ex minor threat etc. for someone to say i dont know what im talking about makes me laugh...ive been around this scene before there was such thing as metalcore or labels...its fucking ridiculous. i love when i get told by 16 year olds what hardcore is. you kids dont know what its about, you just like it cause its cool to like it now. i dont care how many people say :"norma jean is metalcore" that is so fucking stupid. hardcore is hardcore. get over it. the scene is polluted with people that think they know what they are talking about and the truth is 99% of us dont. get over it. end of discussion.
I don't exclude Norma Jean out of the hardcore genre label because of the fact that they are a Christian band. I exclude them from hardcore simply because they aren't.

I have been, and still am, around a lot of guys who have been involved in and contributed greatly to the hardcore scene (and they still do). I'm talking guys who range from late-20s to mid-40s, guys who had consistently seen bands like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Wrecking Crew, SSD, Slapshot, etc., and more importantly (for the sake of relating to what you had to say about subgenres), they have obviously been around ways before these terms were coined. If anyone knows hardcore (both past and present, and I'm also assuming future), it would be at least one of these guys.

I have consistently talked to them about the present state of hardcore, topics ranging from the whole fashion sense of it (from the whole "fashioncore" craze to camo pants/army hats), to what is and isn't considered hardcore. I've learned a lot, and one of the most important things I've learned is that every person has a different sense of this broad genre. But when it comes down to it, the bands they have mentioned all have the common characteristics and ideals that sprung this scene in the first place. A lot of the trends involving hardcore will eventually fade out, and so will a lot of people who claim to be "true till death," but true hardcore and the blurred sense of the word will remain, via zines, shows, flyers, etc.

Please don't generalize the whole AP population with a phrase like "you kids don't know what it's about." Stick around a little more and you'll see who does and who doesn't.

Sorry, I just started rambling there. Ah well, deal with it.

[r0flc0pt3rz]

im jewish....i wish there was JewCore bands....

im going to start a jewcore band, who wants to be in it? :love:

ill be a groupie even though im not jewish. but i love jews? i dont know why.

[Andy]

Stop calling these shitty new fashion metalcore/christcore bands hardcore. It's fine with me that you listen to them, but, THEY ARE NOT HARDCORE. Before you call me an elitest, i listen to MANY different genres. But I certainly dont insult them by refering to them as something they aren't.
When I saw this thread I thought to myself, this person is suffering from lack of scenepoints.


I was right.

[r0flc0pt3rz]

hey deetdeet,


upon further examination of your "old underoath is christcore, new underoath is screamo" statement..



times the word jesus is said on "the changing of the times" - 1
times the word jesus is said on "they're only chasing safety" - 1



that's all i have to say.

zing!

i got my shit ruined? no.

come to orlando and fuck with me and you'll know what ruined shit is.

WATCH OUT .WAR COS I THINK THAT WAS AN INTERNET THREAT AND THAT IS TEH SERIOUS!!!1

[FinchBulldog2]

You don't see it because of your ignorance of genres.
You're ignorant to theory, though. At least he knows the music part of it. I'm sick of your fucking ego. Sit the fuck down.

[btbam > you]

You're ignorant to theory, though. At least he knows the music part of it. I'm sick of your fucking ego. Sit the fuck down.


thanks buddy.. <3

[AshesAshes]

When I saw this thread I thought to myself, this person is suffering from lack of scenepoints.


I was right.
hahaha

[i fucked him]

Stop calling these shitty new fashion metalcore/christcore bands hardcore. It's fine with me that you listen to them, but, THEY ARE NOT HARDCORE. Before you call me an elitest, i listen to MANY different genres. But I certainly dont insult them by refering to them as something they aren't.
bad boy .. now just look at your sence points

[AshesAshes]

at the moment, my fav hardcore bands are

casey jones
kids like us
no warning
until the end
hatebreed
blood for blood
bold
champion
isnt casey jones that guy from teenage mutant ninja turtles who has the hockey mask and shit :huh:

[i fucked him]

i think so

[XmorganX88]

punkerx99 got hammered, he had thousands of scene points last time i can remember now he speaks the truth and loses them all, pretty stupid i think.

[a typicalcliche]

punkerx99 got hammered, he had thousands of scene points last time i can remember now he speaks the truth and loses them all, pretty stupid i think.
not anymore...

[deetdeet]

Caring about some message board "scene points" is pretty much a summary of whats wrong with a lot of you.

It angers me to see these kids dressing up in tight pants and wearing make-up going to the norma jean and as i lay dying shows and bragging to all the little girlies about how hardcore they are. You aren't hardcore and you never will be untill you learn and live the values of it.

[a typicalcliche]

e

we already went over this, norma jean is metalcore

[KarolaBloch]

all i can say is thank goodness for alan rupp. he speaks truth.

[a typicalcliche]

all i can say is thank goodness for alan rupp. he speaks truth.
hahah your avatar is sweet. i miss that show :(

[KarolaBloch]

haha thanks.. i miss it too... it got pretty scary tho when tapanga and cory were in college and sleeping in the same bed

[NFG4ever]

at the moment, my fav hardcore bands are

casey jones
kids like us
no warning
until the end
hatebreed
blood for blood
bold
champion
Uh oh , you're bad now

[a typicalcliche]

haha thanks.. i miss it too... it got pretty scary tho when tapanga and cory were in college and sleeping in the same bed
hahah yeah. weird when they got married

[FinchBulldog2]

hahah your avatar is sweet. i miss that show :(
I keep thinking it's Dr. Phil when I don't look carefully.

[punkerx99]

so then what is this new-named genre?

Here's a perfect example for you: Refused, who I consider to be a post-hardcore band.

This band started out as a regular hardcore band and then they took it to a completely different level. However, they still retain the hardcore influence. I think the same goes for early Thursday and even Thrice at some points.

[a typicalcliche]

Here's a perfect example for you: Refused, who I consider to be a post-hardcore band.

This band started out as a regular hardcore band and then they took it to a completely different level. However, they still retain the hardcore influence. I think the same goes for early Thursday and even Thrice at some points.
i love thrice/thursday/the refused

[Scott Weber]

jesus christ guys, who fucking cares? a genre is a GENRE. it doesn't change how a band sounds, who cares if somebody calls Norma Jean hardcore and you think they're metalcore? WHO CARES? Metalcore is a branch of hardcore. I'm aware of what true hardcore is, but that's really faded away in recent years, and replacing it has been a wave of more metal oriented hardcore, aka metalcore. Zao, Norma Jean, Unearth, etc... I'm going to refer to those bands in MY life as hardcore and metalcore interchangably. Who fucking cares, honestly. Throwing a huge hissy fit because somebody generalizes a metalcore CD as hardcore is ridiculous, and then deetdeet threatening those same kids is unreal. Go get all your HXC friends to beat up the loser christcore kids - DeetDeet, you are what's wrong with the scene, you create drama and fights between THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LOVE MUSIC. You bring hate to groups of people who would otherwise get along just fine...go draw X's on your hands and sit in a corner with your TRUE hxc friends...I'll go listen to Living Sacrifice and yes, I'll call it hardcore - because I fucking want to. Music is subjective, and if you haven't learned that, then get your head outa your ass.

Caring about some message board "scene points" is pretty much a summary of whats wrong with a lot of you.

It angers me to see these kids dressing up in tight pants and wearing make-up going to the norma jean and as i lay dying shows and bragging to all the little girlies about how hardcore they are. You aren't hardcore and you never will be untill you learn and live the values of it.
and by the way, you aren't "hardcore" if you have a finch icon. Genres are so fucking retarded.

You don't see it because of your ignorance of genres.
additionally, you are a jackass. Go feed your ego some more.

[hXc_pwnage]

Caring about some message board "scene points" is pretty much a summary of whats wrong with a lot of you.

It angers me to see these kids dressing up in tight pants and wearing make-up going to the norma jean and as i lay dying shows and bragging to all the little girlies about how hardcore they are. You aren't hardcore and you never will be untill you learn and live the values of it.
You're a moron.

[pjtunes91]

jesus christ guys, who fucking cares? a genre is a GENRE. it doesn't change how a band sounds, who cares if somebody calls Norma Jean hardcore and you think they're metalcore? WHO CARES? Metalcore is a branch of hardcore. I'm aware of what true hardcore is, but that's really faded away in recent years, and replacing it has been a wave of more metal oriented hardcore, aka metalcore. Zao, Norma Jean, Unearth, etc... I'm going to refer to those bands in MY life as hardcore and metalcore interchangably. Who fucking cares, honestly. Throwing a huge hissy fit because somebody generalizes a metalcore CD as hardcore is ridiculous, and then deetdeet threatening those same kids is unreal. Go get all your HXC friends to beat up the loser christcore kids - DeetDeet, you are what's wrong with the scene, you create drama and fights between THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LOVE MUSIC. You bring hate to groups of people who would otherwise get along just fine...go draw X's on your hands and sit in a corner with your TRUE hxc friends...I'll go listen to Living Sacrifice and yes, I'll call it hardcore - because I fucking want to. Music is subjective, and if you haven't learned that, then get your head outa your ass.
I'm not sure if you were referring to me at any point in your post, but I could care less if someone calls Norma Jean hardcore. It doesn't mean that it's right.

I don't think hardcore has faded away at all in recent years; I just don't think you're looking deeply enough. From the commercial success of Terror to the basement shows of Bones Brigade, the core is very much well and alive. If you want straight up, no breaks, no bullshit, then I recommend Some Kind of Hate, Some Girls, etc. 80's/NYHC/Boston hardcore? Paint It Black, Mental, Righteous Jams, etc. Youth crew? Champion, The First Step, Have Heart, etc. The music, ideals, and lifestyle are still there. They'll never fade.

[Scott Weber]

I'm not sure if you were referring to me at any point in your post, but I could care less if someone calls Norma Jean hardcore. It doesn't mean that it's right.

I don't think hardcore has faded away at all in recent years; I just don't think you're looking deeply enough. From the commercial success of Terror to the basement shows of Bones Brigade, the core is very much well and alive. If you want straight up, no breaks, no bullshit, then I recommend Some Kind of Hate, Some Girls, etc. 80's/NYHC/Boston hardcore? Paint It Black, Mental, Righteous Jams, etc. Youth crew? Champion, The First Step, Have Heart, etc. The music, ideals, and lifestyle are still there. They'll never fade.
I wasn't reffering to you, just deetdeet. I think you make excellent points, and I am well aware of what people describe hardcore as. The purists call it more than music, a lifestyle. While my background and culture is not condusive to that type of belief, I respect those who practice it still. But as far as defining genres of music, I don't feel that hardcore has to be tied up with lifestyle as well. It's the only genre I can think of in which the music itself has to match the lyrics, lifestyle, etc... there is no lifestyle to rap music, (maybe a stereotypical one) or pop, or country...nobody cares enough. THere just seems to be this strange infatuation with hxc kids never wanting to allow any other bands that play similar (and I stress that) style music to be allowed into their elitist genre. And when I say "true" hxc music has faded, I really think it has, at least in a commercial sense. Tons of those bands you mentioned have since broken up, or it is hard to find their albums in stores, etc. I just think that there is a new wave of hardcore, one that is not centered around the lifestyle. It seems to me that any band that plays hxc music but doesn't express the same beliefs (norma jean, zao (especially early zao), living sacrifice) gets lumped into metalcore, or christcore. In this genre, it seems people look past the evolution of the music itself and then perpetuate conflict by elitistly labeling them as "christcore," etc.

[Love As Arson]

additionally, you are a jackass. Go feed your ego some more.
I have others to do that for me. Don't get angry when someone speaks to truth, it only furthers the idea that you are a moron.

[Alan Rupp]

I wasn't reffering to you, just deetdeet. I think you make excellent points, and I am well aware of what people describe hardcore as. The purists call it more than music, a lifestyle. While my background and culture is not condusive to that type of belief, I respect those who practice it still. But as far as defining genres of music, I don't feel that hardcore has to be tied up with lifestyle as well. It's the only genre I can think of in which the music itself has to match the lyrics, lifestyle, etc... there is no lifestyle to rap music, (maybe a stereotypical one) or pop, or country...nobody cares enough. THere just seems to be this strange infatuation with hxc kids never wanting to allow any other bands that play similar (and I stress that) style music to be allowed into their elitist genre. And when I say "true" hxc music has faded, I really think it has, at least in a commercial sense. Tons of those bands you mentioned have since broken up, or it is hard to find their albums in stores, etc. I just think that there is a new wave of hardcore, one that is not centered around the lifestyle. It seems to me that any band that plays hxc music but doesn't express the same beliefs (norma jean, zao (especially early zao), living sacrifice) gets lumped into metalcore, or christcore. In this genre, it seems people look past the evolution of the music itself and then perpetuate conflict by elitistly labeling them as "christcore," etc.
No one is talking about what beliefs they express in the songs. Hell, "real" hardcore bands express a wide range of beliefs. It's mainly the fact that Norma Jean, Zao, Living Sacrifice, etc sound nothing like any current hardcore band. I think that's fairly obvious.

True hardcore has not faded. You live in Seattle, I think you'd know that. The Northwest has an amazing scene right now, probably one of the best in the country (with the exception of Boston and maybe NorCal). Here's what I suggest: go to a Champion, Time For Living, Go It Alone, Sinking Ships, and Barricade show on April 23. You'll see how much "hardcore" means to those kids and why it matters to them that someone who has seemingly no loyalty to the scene and is more concerned with fasion claims to be "hardcore."

P.S. There's little to no violence in hardcore at the moment.

EDIT: About this whole "christcore" thing. Comeback Kid (at least a few of the members) is Christian, but they're very much a hardcore band.

[btbam > you]

jesus christ guys, who fucking cares? a genre is a GENRE. it doesn't change how a band sounds, who cares if somebody calls Norma Jean hardcore and you think they're metalcore? WHO CARES? Metalcore is a branch of hardcore. I'm aware of what true hardcore is, but that's really faded away in recent years, and replacing it has been a wave of more metal oriented hardcore, aka metalcore. Zao, Norma Jean, Unearth, etc... I'm going to refer to those bands in MY life as hardcore and metalcore interchangably. Who fucking cares, honestly. Throwing a huge hissy fit because somebody generalizes a metalcore CD as hardcore is ridiculous, and then deetdeet threatening those same kids is unreal. Go get all your HXC friends to beat up the loser christcore kids - DeetDeet, you are what's wrong with the scene, you create drama and fights between THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LOVE MUSIC. You bring hate to groups of people who would otherwise get along just fine...go draw X's on your hands and sit in a corner with your TRUE hxc friends...I'll go listen to Living Sacrifice and yes, I'll call it hardcore - because I fucking want to. Music is subjective, and if you haven't learned that, then get your head outa your ass.


and by the way, you aren't "hardcore" if you have a finch icon. Genres are so fucking retarded.


additionally, you are a jackass. Go feed your ego some more.

thank you scott.. i know i tried to argue and defend my point, but that is exactly what i wanted to say. i will call whatever bands i want hardcore or metalcore or whatever. metal oriented hardcore is the new wave of hardcore, branching off from the bands that deetdeet claims are the only hardcore bands. and to get threatened by deetdeet because i called norma jean hardcore was probably the funniest thing that's ever happened to me, other than him coining the term "christcore". deetdeet, if hardcore is about unity and respect like you said, then you wouldve respected my place to call a band something and moved on. not threatened me. i'll listen to whatever bands i want and call them whatever i want. the end.


oh, and deetdeet.. nice hardcore norma jean icon.

[punkerx99]

No one is talking about what beliefs they express in the songs. Hell, "real" hardcore bands express a wide range of beliefs. It's mainly the fact that Norma Jean, Zao, Living Sacrifice, etc sound nothing like any current hardcore band. I think that's fairly obvious.

True hardcore has not faded. You live in Seattle, I think you'd know that. The Northwest has an amazing scene right now, probably one of the best in the country (with the exception of Boston and maybe NorCal). Here's what I suggest: go to a Champion, Time For Living, Go It Alone, Sinking Ships, and Barricade show on April 23. You'll see how much "hardcore" means to those kids and why it matters to them that someone who has seemingly no loyalty to the scene and is more concerned with fasion claims to be "hardcore."

P.S. There's little to no violence in hardcore at the moment.

EDIT: About this whole "christcore" thing. Comeback Kid (at least a few of the members) is Christian, but they're very much a hardcore band.

I was under the impression that Comeback Kid is not Christian, but was just signed to Facedown, which happens to be a Christian-oriented label.

The Northwest Hardcore Scene is incredible. That show you listed looks awesome, too. I think that it probably has the best scene right now, even better than the others you listed (unless you consider New England to be a scene).

Anyway, I don't live the lifestyle, I'm just a huge supporter of the music and the shows. I love it.

thank you scott.. i know i tried to argue and defend my point, but that is exactly what i wanted to say. i will call whatever bands i want hardcore or metalcore or whatever. metal oriented hardcore is the new wave of hardcore, branching off from the bands that deetdeet claims are the only hardcore bands. and to get threatened by deetdeet because i called norma jean hardcore was probably the funniest thing that's ever happened to me, other than him coining the term "christcore". deetdeet, if hardcore is about unity and respect like you said, then you wouldve respected my place to call a band something and moved on. not threatened me. i'll listen to whatever bands i want and call them whatever i want. the end.


oh, and deetdeet.. nice hardcore norma jean icon.

Norma Jean is not the wave of hardcore. They don't have anything to do with the genre. I don't understand why some people have to be so close minded about this. You are wrong. We were all wrong at some point (there was definitely a time when I thought Every Time I Die, etc. were hardcore bands), but we've moved on. I'm not asking you to listen to any hardcore bands, but you need to stop being so naive about it.

[btbam > you]

Norma Jean is not the wave of hardcore. They don't have anything to do with the genre. I don't understand why some people have to be so close minded about this. You are wrong. We were all wrong at some point (there was definitely a time when I thought Every Time I Die, etc. were hardcore bands), but we've moved on. I'm not asking you to listen to any hardcore bands, but you need to stop being so naive about it.



question..


is it going to affect your life in ANY WAY if i call norma jean hardcore? stick to your beliefs, i'll stick to mine.. there's no "right" or "wrong" here, it's all a matter of opinion.

[punkerx99]

question..


is it going to affect your life in ANY WAY if i call norma jean hardcore? stick to your beliefs, i'll stick to mine.. there's no "right" or "wrong" here, it's all a matter of opinion.

Of course it doesn't affect my life. It just makes you look stupid. Do what you want, but it's not a matter of opinion.

[btbam > you]

Of course it doesn't affect my life. It just makes you look stupid. Do what you want, but it's not a matter of opinion.



well then thanks for looking out for me.. next time i'm gonna call a band something, i'll be sure to come to you first to get your approval.

[Alan Rupp]

I was under the impression that Comeback Kid is not Christian, but was just signed to Facedown, which happens to be a Christian-oriented label.

The Northwest Hardcore Scene is incredible. That show you listed looks awesome, too. I think that it probably has the best scene right now, even better than the others you listed (unless you consider New England to be a scene).

Anyway, I don't live the lifestyle, I'm just a huge supporter of the music and the shows. I love it.
In interviews I've read they say that a few of the members are Christian and they aren't a Christian band, but obviously some of their beliefs are going to come out in the lyrics, it's inevitable.

I don't know, I think my favorite scene right now is Boston. New York's on the rise too. But at least we can agree that the NW is amazing right now. I can't wait for the new Sinking Ships 7".

The same with me (mainly because I'm an hour away from the nearest scene), but I like to stay as connected to it as possible.
question..


is it going to affect your life in ANY WAY if i call norma jean hardcore? stick to your beliefs, i'll stick to mine.. there's no "right" or "wrong" here, it's all a matter of opinion.
No, it won't affect my life. But think of it this way: let's say you're of a religion and that means a lot to you, but some kids you know who don't share the same ideals and loyalty go around claiming to be of that religion and basically putting a black eye on something that's really close to you. Would you not be pissed off and want to set people straight about what it's really about?

And you are wrong. I'm sorry. I used to think the same way (I also used to think Dashboard was emo). But, people set me straight, provided me with facts and a history and I learned. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, but there is something wrong with completely denying the fact and choosing to stay ignorant. It is NOT a matter of opinion. They either fit the definition of the genre or they don't. I don't see how you can't understand this.

[r0flc0pt3rz]

Caring about some message board "scene points" is pretty much a summary of whats wrong with a lot of you.

It angers me to see these kids dressing up in tight pants and wearing make-up going to the norma jean and as i lay dying shows and bragging to all the little girlies about how hardcore they are. You aren't hardcore and you never will be untill you learn and live the values of it.

thats funny, cos you took away scene points from me.

[btbam > you]

In interviews I've read they say that a few of the members are Christian and they aren't a Christian band, but obviously some of their beliefs are going to come out in the lyrics, it's inevitable.

I don't know, I think my favorite scene right now is Boston. New York's on the rise too. But at least we can agree that the NW is amazing right now. I can't wait for the new Sinking Ships 7".

The same with me (mainly because I'm an hour away from the nearest scene), but I like to stay as connected to it as possible.

No, it won't affect my life. But think of it this way: let's say you're of a religion and that means a lot to you, but some kids you know who don't share the same ideals and loyalty go around claiming to be of that religion and basically putting a black eye on something that's really close to you. Would you not be pissed off and want to set people straight about what it's really about?

And you are wrong. I'm sorry. I used to think the same way (I also used to think Dashboard was emo). But, people set me straight, provided me with facts and a history and I learned. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, but there is something wrong with completely denying the fact and choosing to stay ignorant. It is NOT a matter of opinion. They either fit the definition of the genre or they don't. I don't see how you can't understand this.

okay then i'm wrong, it doesn't change the fact that i'm still gonna call a band what i want. and i do share the same ideals that hardcore kids do. as deetdeet claimed, hardcore is about "friendship, unity, resposibility, strengh, etc." i'm pretty sure that any person who's not a complete douchebag believes in those things.
i seriously don't care about this hardcore scene.. if it's supposed to be about unity and friendship, then stop casting aside people because they call a band something different.

[IAmCountryMusic]

whats hardcore? :huh:

[deetdeet]

thank you scott.. i know i tried to argue and defend my point, but that is exactly what i wanted to say. i will call whatever bands i want hardcore or metalcore or whatever. metal oriented hardcore is the new wave of hardcore, branching off from the bands that deetdeet claims are the only hardcore bands. and to get threatened by deetdeet because i called norma jean hardcore was probably the funniest thing that's ever happened to me, other than him coining the term "christcore". deetdeet, if hardcore is about unity and respect like you said, then you wouldve respected my place to call a band something and moved on. not threatened me. i'll listen to whatever bands i want and call them whatever i want. the end.


oh, and deetdeet.. nice hardcore norma jean icon.

i have a finch icon moron. i love me some pop punk. i also enjoy hardcore and its values, and live by them, as does the rest of the scene i am a part of.

I dont enjoy people pretending to be something they are not.

[allelish]

whats hardcore? :huh:
Ummmm Hawthorne Heights, box car racer, fall out boy, movielife oh and jimmy eat world because Jim screamed a lyric when they were playing live once.

[btbam > you]

i have a finch icon moron. i love me some pop punk. i also enjoy hardcore and its values, and live by them, as does the rest of the scene i am a part of.

I dont enjoy people pretending to be something they are not.


haha you had a finch icon yesterday and just before, you had a norma jean icon. WOW.

[allelish]

i have a finch icon moron. i love me some pop punk. i also enjoy hardcore and its values, and live by them, as does the rest of the scene i am a part of.

I dont enjoy people pretending to be something they are not.
I totally agree, this band hatebreed or something, they act like they're hardcore and stuff but they don't know the meaning of the word. My stupid friend reckons they're more hardcore than fall out boy, and i'm like...."have you heard take this to your grave?!!!"..........duhhhhhhhhh.

[deetdeet]

haha you had a finch icon yesterday and just before, you had a norma jean icon. WOW.

WOW internet dweebs changed my icon how coool.

[IAmCountryMusic]

Ummmm Hawthorne Heights, box car racer, fall out boy, movielife oh and jimmy eat world because Jim screamed a lyric when they were playing live once.
well yeah, then i know it :D
i saw cher scream once in a movie, does that make her hardcore?

[allelish]

well yeah, then i know it :D
i saw cher scream once in a movie, does that make her hardcore?
Yeah, i suppose so....but cher is really more punk rock than hardcore to be honest.

[trustmeimokay]

Stop calling these shitty new fashion metalcore/christcore bands hardcore. It's fine with me that you listen to them, but, THEY ARE NOT HARDCORE. Before you call me an elitest, i listen to MANY different genres. But I certainly dont insult them by refering to them as something they aren't.
Wow, you suck.

[KarolaBloch]

alan rupp is so wise. i admire.

[hXc_pwnage]

Comeback Kid isn't a Christian band, but most of the members are Christian.

[trustmeimokay]

Comeback Kid isn't a Christian band, but most of the members are Christian.
I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday. Even Thursdays.

[hXc_pwnage]

okay then i'm wrong, it doesn't change the fact that i'm still gonna call a band what i want. and i do share the same ideals that hardcore kids do. as deetdeet claimed, hardcore is about "friendship, unity, resposibility, strengh, etc." i'm pretty sure that any person who's not a complete douchebag believes in those things.
i seriously don't care about this hardcore scene.. if it's supposed to be about unity and friendship, then stop casting aside people because they call a band something different.
Then you're just making yourself look retarded. It's like calling Judiasm a branch if Buddhism. You just look stupid. And hardcore isn't just about "sharing the same ideals." Hardcore is about living those ideals, and if you even want to associate with the scene, you should atleast know what you're talking about. Or you look even stupider than before, which is pretty damn hard to do. And you're little "outcry" at the end is moronic. Just because we call you out on your mislabeling of bands doesn't mean we aren't promoting unity. We are promoting unity because we're trying to make you...see the light. You're wrong. You know that. So why continue to be wrong? If a teacher tells you an answer for a test, are you still going to put the wrong answer down?

I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday. Even Thursdays.
If I'm not mistaken, Figure Four was a Christian band.

[Throwback]

Sweet... lambgoat. Not that I dislike As I Lay Dying (because I like them a lot), but I'm sure those kids consider them to be hardcore.

This thread is really hilarious (and sad).

You speak so passionately about something you aren't educated about. You are wrong, and there is no way you can be right. Norma Jean is not a hardcore band.
Say Anything is jewXcore. He even says 'old shool' in the one new song. Man I love Bemis.

[punkerx99]

Say Anything is jewXcore. He even says 'old shool' in the one new song. Man I love Bemis.
Does he? G'DAMN! I need to get my hands on these demos. Where can I hear them?

[Alan Rupp]

okay then i'm wrong, it doesn't change the fact that i'm still gonna call a band what i want. and i do share the same ideals that hardcore kids do. as deetdeet claimed, hardcore is about "friendship, unity, resposibility, strengh, etc." i'm pretty sure that any person who's not a complete douchebag believes in those things.
i seriously don't care about this hardcore scene.. if it's supposed to be about unity and friendship, then stop casting aside people because they call a band something different.
This is my last post in this thread because it's like talking to a wall. The MUSIC is about unity, responsibility, strength, etc. Obviously most people have those ideals, but they aren't expressed through their music. Now, that's not the defining characteristic either, it's just one criterion.

You still don't get it. They aren't casting people aside at all. It's a GENRE. If the music doesn't qualify, then it doesn't. They aren't telling people they can't be into hardcore, they're just saying that whatever band it is isn't hardcore. One more asinine example: I form a green shirt club. You want to join but refuse to wear a green shirt. Am I denying you the right to be in my club? No, you are. You could very easily strap on a green shirt if you wanted in so bad, but you refuse to and claim that we're the "elitists". Don't be an ass.
alan rupp is so wise. i admire.
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not. But if it's not, thanks.

[trustmeimokay]

Say Anything is jewXcore. He even says 'old shool' in the one new song. Man I love Bemis.
Wow, I Can Be Sexual is one of his best songs to date.

And if anyone wants the new demos hit me up on AIM.

[Pat Marquez]

question..


is it going to affect your life in ANY WAY if i call norma jean hardcore? stick to your beliefs, i'll stick to mine.. there's no "right" or "wrong" here, it's all a matter of opinion.
No, it just makes you like WWWWWWEEEEEEEEETARD.

[hXc_pwnage]

This is my last post in this thread because it's like talking to a wall. The MUSIC is about unity, responsibility, strength, etc. Obviously most people have those ideals, but they aren't expressed through their music. Now, that's not the defining characteristic either, it's just one criterion.

You still don't get it. They aren't casting people aside at all. It's a GENRE. If the music doesn't qualify, then it doesn't. They aren't telling people they can't be into hardcore, they're just saying that whatever band it is isn't hardcore. One more asinine example: I form a green shirt club. You want to join but refuse to wear a green shirt. Am I denying you the right to be in my club? No, you are. You could very easily strap on a green shirt if you wanted in so bad, but you refuse to and claim that we're the "elitists". Don't be an ass.

I don't know if this is sarcasm or not. But if it's not, thanks.
Alan.

I love you. Have my babies.

Your hot girlfriend can watch and maybe join in later.

Maybe.

[Pat Marquez]

i have a finch icon moron. i love me some pop punk. i also enjoy hardcore and its values, and live by them, as does the rest of the scene i am a part of.

I dont enjoy people pretending to be something they are not.
Haha, you aren't apart of anything you dumb ass.

- XpatX

[FinchBulldog2]

No, it just makes you like retarted.
And your spelling of retarded just did the same for you. Just kidding with you though.