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Kid B
11/13/08, 07:57 PM
What albums would you rate 5/5 stars? I don't mean perfect albums, just albums that are as good as they can get for you.

Edit: Well, I'm not quite sure how to explain besides what I said above. Say, your favorite album of all time has a song you don't enjoy as much as the others, but you'd still consider the album 5/5, as in you wouldn't really change it. It still isn't perfect.

Think of the term loosely, it doesn't have to be perfect to be 5/5, at least in this thread.

ThemChains
11/13/08, 07:58 PM
American Nightmare-Background Music

Possibly, more to come.

Regards
11/13/08, 08:10 PM
I would think the 5/5 would mean perfect?

liar23
11/13/08, 08:11 PM
The Replacements-Tim
The Replacements-Let It Be

Colorblind!
11/13/08, 08:11 PM
I thought it was more personalized. Like, albums you know that aren't perfect overall, but are perfect for your tastes.

Regards
11/13/08, 08:12 PM
I thought it was more personalized. Like, albums you know that aren't perfect overall, but are perfect for your tastes.
That would make sense then.

liar23
11/13/08, 08:16 PM
pretty much

TSLROCKS
11/13/08, 08:17 PM
So basically what are your favourite albums?

Pretty much

liar23
11/13/08, 08:18 PM
I said pretty much first

TSLROCKS
11/13/08, 08:20 PM
:ok:

liar23
11/13/08, 08:22 PM
:-)

continuing with the thread purpose

the format-dog problems

TSLROCKS
11/13/08, 08:24 PM
Copeland - Beneath Medicine Tree

Someone'sCoat
11/13/08, 08:30 PM
I&W-OEND
The National-Boxer (been on yet another Boxer kick this past week)
Catherine Feeny- Hurricane Glass (finally get to see her tomorrow)

Kid B
11/13/08, 08:58 PM
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F#A# (Infinity)
Nick Drake - Pink Moon
Radiohead - Kid A

El_Jeffe
11/13/08, 09:30 PM
i posted this list in general the other day. might add to it later

curtis mayfield - curtis
bob marley & the wailers - exodus
split enz - dizrythmia
marvin gaye - here, my dear
tracy chapman - tracy chapman
michael jackson - off the wall
van morrison - veedon fleece
stevie wonder - song's in the key or life
dusty springfield - dusty in memphis
james brown - the payback
finn brothers - everyone is here
joe strummer & the mescaleros - streetcore
toots & the maytals - funky kingston
lauryn hill - the miseducation of lauryn hill
john coltrane - a love supreme
jimi hendrix - electric ladyland
radiohead - kid a
u2 - the joshua tree

PoisonInMyVeins
11/13/08, 09:32 PM
the jackson 5 - diana ross presents the jackson 5

HangsLikeHeaven
11/13/08, 09:38 PM
Till The Sun Turns Black

GueroCanelo
11/13/08, 09:50 PM
State Radio - Us Against The Crown
The Hippos - Heads Are Gonna Roll
Black Keys - Rubber Factory
Eric Clapton - Unplugged

Someone'sCoat
11/14/08, 01:33 AM
i posted this list in general the other day. might add to it later

curtis mayfield - curtis
bob marley & the wailers - exodus
split enz - dizrythmia
marvin gaye - here, my dear
tracy chapman - tracy chapman
michael jackson - off the wall
van morrison - veedon fleece
stevie wonder - song's in the key or life
dusty springfield - dusty in memphis
james brown - the payback
finn brothers - everyone is here
joe strummer & the mescaleros - streetcore
toots & the maytals - funky kingston
lauryn hill - the miseducation of lauryn hill
john coltrane - a love supreme
jimi hendrix - electric ladyland
radiohead - kid a
u2 - the joshua tree
I've been listening to this alot this week and yet somehow forgot to add it. I need new material from her. Badly.

El_Jeffe
11/14/08, 01:38 AM
I've been listening to this alot this week and yet somehow forgot to add it. I need new material from her. Badly.

it really is a great album & has some of the best production values i've ever heard, especially on an american hip-hop based album

& legend has it lauryn's got about 6 albums worth of new material written & recorded, & she's still writing. who knows when she'll release any of it, but it's great to know she's musically active

SLoT
11/14/08, 05:14 AM
Anything Thin Lizzy put out.

Rodeo
11/14/08, 05:54 AM
Hot Water Music - A Flight and a Crash

Paulb-182
11/14/08, 05:57 AM
Blink 182 - Dude Ranch
Thrice - Illusion Of Safety
Alkaline Trio - From Here To Infirmary
Brand New - Deja Entendu
Funeral For A Friend - Casually Dressed and Deep In Conversation

versus_god
11/14/08, 06:04 AM
Hot Water Music - A Flight and a Crash
I'd put No Division, Caution, Fuel For The Hate Game, and Forever And Counting all before that one. :shrug:

Rodeo
11/14/08, 06:08 AM
I'd put No Division, Caution, Fuel For The Hate Game, and Forever And Counting all before that one. :shrug:


Personal pref...i know where you're coming from on this one... but I think A Flight and a Crash incorporates every once of their perfected sound. It's melodic, but not too melodic (The New What's Next). Song-for-song it is their strongest work. I love the other albums, but my favorite band is also Small Brown Bike and HWM was touring with them a lot when this was written / recorded so the influence of them is HUGE in it... and I love it.

versus_god
11/14/08, 06:29 AM
Personal pref...i know where you're coming from on this one... but I think A Flight and a Crash incorporates every once of their perfected sound. It's melodic, but not too melodic (The New What's Next). Song-for-song it is their strongest work. I love the other albums, but my favorite band is also Small Brown Bike and HWM was touring with them a lot when this was written / recorded so the influence of them is HUGE in it... and I love it.
Definitely. All of the songs are solid, but it's the only Hot Water Music album I have trouble listening to in one sitting that isn't the New What Next. It doesn't feel as cohesive as their other records, you know? I think No Division, on the other hand, is about as perfect as a punk rock album can get.

MADSTA
11/14/08, 06:41 AM
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
Elliott Smith - s/t, XO, Either/Or
The National - Boxer
Radiohead - Ok Computer

Rodeo
11/14/08, 06:43 AM
I think No Division, on the other hand, is about as perfect as a punk rock album can get.


Such a true statement.

xEmlehx
11/14/08, 06:44 AM
fall out boy-under the cork tree even tho i dont like them
i-empire-angels and airwaves
the beatles-rubber soul

i can't think of anymore but thats off the top of my head

Kid B
11/14/08, 06:45 AM
fall out boy-under the cork tree even tho i dont like them
i-empire-angels and airwaves
the beatles-rubber soul

i can't think of anymore but thats off the top of my head
WHAT!?

x

Rodeo
11/14/08, 06:47 AM
The best review in punknews.org history:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/DejaGuitarist/hwm-review.jpg

versus_god
11/14/08, 06:49 AM
The best review in punknews.org history:


http://www.punknews.org/images/interviews/hwm-review.jpg
It's not showing for me but if it's the Calvin and Hobbes review, I agree. Hard.

kwsqd
11/14/08, 06:49 AM
Radiohead - OK Computer
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Thursday - Full Collapse
Pearl Jam - Ten
The Beatles - Abbey Road
Thrice - Vheissu

those are what first come to mind.

Rodeo
11/14/08, 06:50 AM
It's not showing for me but if it's the Calvin and Hobbes review, I agree. Hard.





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kwsqd
11/14/08, 06:52 AM
<33333333333333333333333333333333333 333
your heart is broken. lolz

Rodeo
11/14/08, 06:53 AM
your heart is broken. lolz



Weird. I saw that... then went to edit it... but it's not broken in the edit.

MADSTA
11/14/08, 06:56 AM
fall out boy-under the cork tree even tho i dont like them
i-empire-angels and airwaves
Huge WTF right there.

kwsqd
11/14/08, 06:57 AM
Weird. I saw that... then went to edit it... but it's not broken in the edit.
just delete the last few "3"s
Huge WTF right there.
yes

Rodeo
11/14/08, 06:58 AM
just delete the last few "3"s



word. ;-)

Troggy
11/14/08, 07:07 AM
Huge WTF right there.

What's even more disturbing is that she admits that FUCT is a 5/5 album, and then claims to not like Fall Out Boy. Wouldn't it make sense that people who DON'T think it's a good album don't like the band? Giving these kids too much credit, I guess.

Contributions:

Opeth - Blackwater Park

Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come

kwsqd
11/14/08, 07:09 AM
What's even more disturbing is that she admits that FUCT is a 5/5 album, and then claims to not like Fall Out Boy. Wouldn't it make sense that people who DON'T think it's a good album don't like the band? Giving these kids too much credit, I guess.

Contributions:

Opeth - Blackwater Park

Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
I like your llama

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 07:53 AM
Empires - Howl
The Gaslight Anthem - The '59 Sound
Gatsby's American Dream - Gatsby's American Dream
Valencia - We All Need a Reason to Believe
Boys Night Out - Trainwreck
Fall Out Boy - Take This To Your Grave
This Time Next Year - A Place for You
Pierce the Veil - A Flair for the Dramatic
The Assembly Line - Explodes Like Fireworks
The Graduate - Evergreen

new_arbiter
11/14/08, 08:00 AM
Weezer - Pinkerton
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Pixies - Doolittle
Refused - The Shape of Punk To Come
The Beatles - Abbey Road
Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
Radiohead - Kid A

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 08:07 AM
My god you like horrible music.
We can't all love the Beatles like you do.

Troggy
11/14/08, 08:14 AM
You could, what's stopping you?

I do not understand why with over 70 years of music to listen to you are limiting yourself to music made in the last 10 years and music from two or three genres. I don't understand how you can even consider yourself a fan of music.

95% + of AP.net users.

kwsqd
11/14/08, 08:16 AM
Also:
Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out
Ahmad Jamal - Poinciana

Troggy
11/14/08, 08:17 AM
It's futile trying to reach them all. I was in that same rut when I was younger, some of these kids may need time...or they will be so infused with AP culture that they will never get out. Hard to say.

new_arbiter
11/14/08, 08:17 AM
95% + of AP.net users.

Nice edit.

Troggy
11/14/08, 08:18 AM
Nice edit.

meh, 90 and 95% are pretty much the same.

kwsqd
11/14/08, 08:19 AM
It's futile trying to reach them all. I was in that same rut when I was younger, some of these kids may need time...or they will be so infused with AP culture that they will never get out. Hard to say.
It's most likely the latter.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 08:20 AM
You could, what's stopping you?

I do not understand why with over 70 years of music to listen to you are limiting yourself to music made in the last 10 years and music from two or three genres. I don't understand how you can even consider yourself a fan of music.
I don't confine myself to anything. I used to listen to a bunch of stuff from the '60s, '70s and '80s, but I have a terribly short attention span and, within a year or two, I had completely grown out of it - that music no longer did anything for me at all. This time last year I was listening to a bunch of shitty metalcore bands with whom I wouldn't be associated dead now, a) because they suck and b) because they bored me.
Even since I've been on this site I've just been rolling through different things, always keeping about 3 albums from any previous cycle with me before getting bored of things and moving onto the next cycle. I also happen to be partial to a bit of good production - the feel of old records just doesn't appeal to me anymore and any dynamism within most of that music is lost on me. Sure, I don't go about exploring it, but that's not to say that I wouldn't enjoy it were I to try it out. It's just that it's easier for me to develop tastes as new music comes out and discover new things, or at least old things done in a new way/by different people. I wasn't spoon-fed good, old music by my parents when I was a kid and I'm glad that I've been able to come to my own conclusions on music without having been overly influenced by my parents' rather limited music collection and having a tunnel-view of old music being by far and away the best, with very few recent artists having any merit, whether it be artistic merit or just in making fun music.

kwsqd
11/14/08, 08:21 AM
and oh god, I forgot Domestica.

Troggy
11/14/08, 08:25 AM
I find it impossible to believe there isn't something which isn't AP approved in the entire range of music that has ever been made they wouldn't like. A lot just seem to like music to fit in with something.

That's what really worries me about the young teens these days. They absorb scene music like its their own "cool" version of mainstream. They eat up everything in it, have favorite bands lists that go on for days, and then disregard everything else.

new_arbiter
11/14/08, 08:28 AM
That's what really worries me about the young teens these days. They absorb scene music like its their own "cool" version of mainstream. They eat up everything in it, have favorite bands lists that go on for days, and then disregard everything else.

I think they're in it more for the aesthetic than anything else. Being "scene" seems more important than actually enjoying the music.

I'm not really referring to anyone in this thread, though. And to be fair, there's tons of people who do this with "indie" and other types of music.

Kid B
11/14/08, 08:29 AM
Isn't the whole point of music personal enjoyment? It shouldn't be such a social thing if you think of it as seriously as you do. Nobody is listing any reasons as to why their music is better, because there are no reasons. If people cannot stand the community on this website, then why stay? There are a ton of other forums out there, built around people with similar music tastes as yourselves. I know this has been said a thousand times, and I know you all will probably just reply with something along the lines of "I do it because the members are so stupid that it's hilarious", and that's fine, but it really is about as good of a reply as coming back with "because it's in the bible" when asked how one would know that god exists. I don't even see why it matters at all. I don't understand why you are posting with all of these people that you can't even have a decent conversation with, let alone discuss music with, when you could instead be listening to the music that you think is so beautiful. And all you have to show for it is that you've sat around on your computer and typed in "Wow you're music taste is horrible" about 27,000 times.

You remind me of Jack Black in High Fidelity, when that middle-aged man walks in the record store to buy something for his teenage daughter. Jack Black senselessly ridicules him, for what, self enjoyment? I think not. It's obviously to exercise the sense of superiority. Yeah, Dave's music taste sucks, but who gives a fuck? What are you trying to prove?

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 08:31 AM
I think they're in it more for the aesthetic than anything else. Being "scene" seems more important than actually enjoying the music.
This is the internet. The scene matters to nobody here. You have people with whom you agree and people with whom you disagree on what are almost purely arbitrary judgements made upon the quality of artists, albums and songs. People identify with those who are most similar to them on these fronts, and these people tend to also be similar in terms of personality, such is the quality of music. These people develop friendships which, in time, may develop into their own discrete "cliques" or "scenes", but that doesn't mean that they're sheep.

Troggy
11/14/08, 08:32 AM
I think they're in it more for the aesthetic than anything else. Being "scene" seems more important than actually enjoying the music.

Yeah that's somewhat it. But hey, I was like that when I was 14, just with nu metal. What is disturbing now is that instead of it being me, the 14 year old digging up obscure nu metal bands to have CDs to listen to on the way to school, scene has become this engulfing culture much bigger than just some bad music.

That is, the way people view and make music is changing so much faster than it ever has in history, unfortunately, much of it is headed for the drain.

new_arbiter
11/14/08, 08:33 AM
This is the internet. The scene matters to nobody here. You have people with whom you agree and people with whom you disagree on what are almost purely arbitrary judgements made upon the quality of artists, albums and songs. People identify with those who are most similar to them on these fronts, and these people tend to also be similar in terms of personality, such is the quality of music. These people develop friendships which, in time, may develop into their own discrete "cliques" or "scenes", but that doesn't mean that they're sheep.

Yeah, I edited the post. I wasn't really talking about this site.

versus_god
11/14/08, 08:33 AM
You don't own fucking Blonde On Blonde?

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 08:39 AM
Yeah, I edited the post. I wasn't really talking about this site.
Still, some people just don't know any better about how to find other kinds of music. There's always got to be some doorway and we don't all have time machines like Ben does. I've got a few people on this site who I trust on matters of music, and a couple IRL with whom I may occasionally confer on such matters, but this place is really my primary musical caregiver and without it I'd still be listening to Blessthefall and Drop Dead, Gorgeous. Sure, there are probably "better" things out there, but I either don't know about them or don't have a sufficient level of maturity to appreciate them.

Justin_stacy
11/14/08, 08:42 AM
Its sort of a tough question because there is a difference, at least for me, between what is a 5 star 'great'/'unmatchable' album and what is a personal favorite, which might not be up to the standards of what most might consider a 5 star album but is more enjoyable or meaningful to the listener (me). Example: Link 80's 17 Reasons is probably my second favorite album ever, but I couldn't honestly pretend to tell you that it's content deserves a 5 star rating.

My 5 starers

Wilco's Being There;, probably the greatest album ever record, and certainly the greatest double album.

Gaslight Anthem's '59 Sound; yes its new, but it doesn't matter.

Counting Crows' Recovering the Satellites.

Face To Face's Ignorance is Bliss.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 08:44 AM
Bullshit. You're fucking 17, as if we're going to believe you liked jazz or soul or whatever at 14/15.
You are 14. Stop trying to be smart and let the older boys talk. You will of course cry your pre-pubescent eyes out now that your age doesn't matter but it does and it oozes from everything you have ever said on this site.
Stop pulling the fucking age card. You're just sad that you weren't born in the '60s so that you could pioneer rock music and stop us all listening to the shit that we do now, am I right?

You do not know what production is and you have not listened to older music. Basically anything made post Abbey Road has perfectly acceptable production if it came out on a major label and usually old music sounds far better because it is a little more natural rather than having a studio compensate for the musicians ineptitude and make everything flawless and perfect.

Well firstly while my Dad is huge into music I only have only ever discovered music by myself.

Secondly you are not a music fan. Continue to listen to music you impress your friends at shows and pull girls.
Wanting to sound natural depends entirely on the music being played and, in the hands of the end user, nobody cares whether or not the artist is inept in the studio as long as the studio has worked its magic and made is sound good on the record. That's what they're there to do. If the band's inept, they have a shit live show, it's as simple as that.

And this music hardly impresses my friends, people are too enveloped in the even more sound-alike "indie" scene to even think about anything else.

Kid B
11/14/08, 08:45 AM
You are 14. Stop trying to be smart and let the older boys talk. You will of course cry your pre-pubescent eyes out now that your age doesn't matter but it does and it oozes from everything you have ever said on this site.
Haha, well at least now we know how you respond to well-made points.

new_arbiter
11/14/08, 08:46 AM
Still, some people just don't know any better about how to find other kinds of music. There's always got to be some doorway and we don't all have time machines like Ben does. I've got a few people on this site who I trust on matters of music, and a couple IRL with whom I may occasionally confer on such matters, but this place is really my primary musical caregiver and without it I'd still be listening to Blessthefall and Drop Dead, Gorgeous. Sure, there are probably "better" things out there, but I either don't know about them or don't have a sufficient level of maturity to appreciate them.

My grief isn't really with anybody liking a certain type of music. That doesn't really matter to me. It's these kids that list obscene amounts of Victory bands on their myspace in attempt to be...I guess "accepted" into something. I find it hard to believe that's all the music they've had a chance to listen to. They seem to have closed themselves off to other types of music.

But like I said before, that happens with all types of music.

Kid B
11/14/08, 08:54 AM
May I ask why it matters enough for you guys to whine about it all of the time?

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 08:54 AM
My grief isn't really with anybody liking a certain type of music. That doesn't really matter to me. It's these kids that list obscene amounts of Victory bands on their myspace in attempt to be...I guess "accepted" into something. I find it hard to believe that's all the music they've had a chance to listen to. They seem to have closed themselves off to other types of music.

But like I said before, that happens with all types of music.
It does indeed and it's a little sad, moreso in some cases than others.

Kid B
11/14/08, 09:05 AM
The age card is of huge importance because for most people you have a hard time appreciating less 'obvious' music the younger you are so appreciating the genuis of Tom Waits or Captain Beefheart or Miles Davis is unlikely. However when you are older you become much more receptive the everything and can make a better more informed judgement. Additionally the vast majority of young people listen to music or certain types of music for one of two reasons; A) To fit in with and have mutual interest with their friends or B) To be different from (and therefore better) than their friends or people they know and what they like. As you grow older and especially once you leave college/high school you begin to realise that you don't care what other people listen to in music and they don't care what you listen to in music and you just listen whatever you like the best. As most young people listen to certain music as a reaction against other people and not through honest judgement their opinion on music is of far less merit because they do not get it so to speak.



I'm not talking about it in terms of oh this band sucks because they don't sound like that live I'm talking about how everything is too perfect and is devoid of any real emotion or feeling, overproduction, which plagues the pop punk scene completely sucks the human aspect of music out of the songs and turn it into a predictable and formulaic mess. With so many bands in this scene and others it's as though they actual band members are completely disposable and have no real bearing on the way the songs come out.

Where as with old music you firstly get the benefit of history having weeded out the bad for you and there is a way more personable aspect on music. For example, no one plays guitar the way Hendrix played guitar. He has a style which is unique to himself and even had you never heard the specific song before you could say that is a Hendrix riff or that is a Beach Boys or a Beatles melody. Where as with all those bands you listed they could quite easilly be literally hundreds of other bands and you'd never know the difference. The only unique aspect is vocally and even that is so homogenised with people trying to sing and sound a certain way rather than trying to sound like themselves. Old music is by and large (the old music which has survived to be popular to this day) is a much more organic expression of the people who made it where as most but not all modern music is far more stale and conformist in every department other than lyrically. The vast majority of modern music is just an inferior rehash of stuff made before it.



You mean what British people call indie not what Americans call indie?
This is probably true, but I wasn't saying anything about music taste. You just further backed my point. What other people listen to doesn't matter. But I'm 15 so I don't get it.

Rodeo
11/14/08, 09:05 AM
The age card is of huge importance because for most people you have a hard time appreciating less 'obvious' music the younger you are so appreciating the genuis of Tom Waits or Captain Beefheart or Miles Davis is unlikely. However when you are older you become much more receptive the everything and can make a better more informed judgement. Additionally the vast majority of young people listen to music or certain types of music for one of two reasons; A) To fit in with and have mutual interest with their friends or B) To be different from (and therefore better) than their friends or people they know and what they like. As you grow older and especially once you leave college/high school you begin to realise that you don't care what other people listen to in music and they don't care what you listen to in music and you just listen whatever you like the best. As most young people listen to certain music as a reaction against other people and not through honest judgement their opinion on music is of far less merit because they do not get it so to speak.



I'm not talking about it in terms of oh this band sucks because they don't sound like that live I'm talking about how everything is too perfect and is devoid of any real emotion or feeling, overproduction, which plagues the pop punk scene completely sucks the human aspect of music out of the songs and turn it into a predictable and formulaic mess. With so many bands in this scene and others it's as though they actual band members are completely disposable and have no real bearing on the way the songs come out.

Where as with old music you firstly get the benefit of history having weeded out the bad for you and there is a way more personable aspect on music. For example, no one plays guitar the way Hendrix played guitar. He has a style which is unique to himself and even had you never heard the specific song before you could say that is a Hendrix riff or that is a Beach Boys or a Beatles melody. Where as with all those bands you listed they could quite easilly be literally hundreds of other bands and you'd never know the difference. The only unique aspect is vocally and even that is so homogenised with people trying to sing and sound a certain way rather than trying to sound like themselves. Old music is by and large (the old music which has survived to be popular to this day) is a much more organic expression of the people who made it where as most but not all modern music is far more stale and conformist in every department other than lyrically. The vast majority of modern music is just an inferior rehash of stuff made before it.



You mean what British people call indie not what Americans call indie?



You have the most intelligent and well thought out responses and I agree with everything you said. Especially the part about the genius of Tom Waits and Capt. Beefheart! ;-)

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 09:17 AM
The age card is of huge importance because for most people you have a hard time appreciating less 'obvious' music the younger you are so appreciating the genuis of Tom Waits or Captain Beefheart or Miles Davis is unlikely. However when you are older you become much more receptive the everything and can make a better more informed judgement. Additionally the vast majority of young people listen to music or certain types of music for one of two reasons; A) To fit in with and have mutual interest with their friends or B) To be different from (and therefore better) than their friends or people they know and what they like. As you grow older and especially once you leave college/high school you begin to realise that you don't care what other people listen to in music and they don't care what you listen to in music and you just listen whatever you like the best. As most young people listen to certain music as a reaction against other people and not through honest judgement their opinion on music is of far less merit because they do not get it so to speak.



I'm not talking about it in terms of oh this band sucks because they don't sound like that live I'm talking about how everything is too perfect and is devoid of any real emotion or feeling, overproduction, which plagues the pop punk scene completely sucks the human aspect of music out of the songs and turn it into a predictable and formulaic mess. With so many bands in this scene and others it's as though they actual band members are completely disposable and have no real bearing on the way the songs come out.

Where as with old music you firstly get the benefit of history having weeded out the bad for you and there is a way more personable aspect on music. For example, no one plays guitar the way Hendrix played guitar. He has a style which is unique to himself and even had you never heard the specific song before you could say that is a Hendrix riff or that is a Beach Boys or a Beatles melody. Where as with all those bands you listed they could quite easilly be literally hundreds of other bands and you'd never know the difference. The only unique aspect is vocally and even that is so homogenised with people trying to sing and sound a certain way rather than trying to sound like themselves. Old music is by and large (the old music which has survived to be popular to this day) is a much more organic expression of the people who made it where as most but not all modern music is far more stale and conformist in every department other than lyrically. The vast majority of modern music is just an inferior rehash of stuff made before it.

You mean what British people call indie not what Americans call indie?
If it's of such huge importance and has such a huge bearing upon what people listen to, then why do you constantly berate people for listening to things and holding opinions that, according to you, are largely governed by their ages, something that they cannot change? Your arguments appear to be highly circular.

There are still plenty of bands out there with good production - sure, people like Matt Squire go out and rip out any authenticity in the music that they're producing, but that doesn't mean that, therefore, you should place a blanket over all bands and all albums released over the past ten years because of a few isolated examples who happen to produce a lot of popular albums.

Yes, with the musicians and bands of yore it is much easier to identify them, but do you think that that's because they've been so popular for so long that nearly everyone has been given significant exposure to them? It's hard for contemporary artists to be as original as the older bands were, thanks to the huge saturation of the market that we have today. Not only that, but also have you considered that, back then, there could have been a similar situation, with many other bands attempting to piggyback off of the successful sounds of these bands? Of course, there weren't the nearly as many artists around then as there are now, as the industry has since boomed, but the same principles may still have applied.

And I do indeed mean what the British call indie.

Kid B
11/14/08, 09:27 AM
You have the most intelligent and well thought out responses and I agree with everything you said. Especially the part about the genius of Tom Waits and Capt. Beefheart! ;-)
:lolatpost:

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 10:28 AM
Radiohead are boring.
Oh, and you mis-spelled dilemma and trapt is an archaic spelling.

Note that most people find it an annoyance rather than a service. We do not care for our tastes, along with what is 'good' and what is 'bad' to be dictated to us. There are very few absolutes and music goes a long way towards cementing this notion. Of course there are bands who are worse than others, but you need to stop taking things like this so seriously. It's a few differences on a matter of taste, it's not like it's a life-or-death situation or people are telling you that the world is flat. Suggesting that the music to which you listen is superior to all other music is like saying "God definitely exists. There is no question in the matter." People vary in what appeals to them and what they enjoy, it's a fact of life. We'd all be absolute sheep if we were to follow you and would be no better than those who you constantly slam for "following the AP.net music trend".

mattmatumbo
11/14/08, 10:55 AM
the jackson 5 - diana ross presents the jackson 5

the samuel jackson five- goodbye melody mountain hahaha, (thats actually my 5 star album though)

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 12:11 PM
I saw your perfect albums. Suffice to say your opinion on music is as valuable as Gary Glitter's opinion on consent laws.



It's a shame spelling doesn't denote intelligence else you may actually be smart. Kind of.



Wow music is subjective...how can any of us ever compete with brains like this?
The point is that you treat it like there is some objective standard of which you are the arbiter.

Do you have any other put-downs that don't involve Gary Glitter? Because you sure seem to make a lot.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 12:20 PM
Nothing is objective, ever. There are no absolutes. You should know that by now. Everything you could ever possibly debate is subjective and involves one person using evidence and persuation to convince others that their opinion is correct.
If I shut my eyes the laptop in front of me does not cease to exist. That is an absolute.

MADSTA
11/14/08, 12:38 PM
Pixies - Doolittle
Mmm, yes!
Bullshit. You're fucking 17, as if we're going to believe you liked jazz or soul or whatever at 14/15.



You do not know what production is and you have not listened to older music. Basically anything made post Abbey Road has perfectly acceptable production if it came out on a major label and usually old music sounds far better because it is a little more natural rather than having a studio compensate for the musicians ineptitude and make everything flawless and perfect.



Well firstly while my Dad is huge into music I only have only ever discovered music by myself.

Secondly you are not a music fan. Continue to listen to music you impress your friends at shows and pull girls.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you constitute as a 'music fan'?

Jake's got woe
11/14/08, 12:41 PM
It's a shame spelling doesn't denote intelligence else you may actually be smart. Kind of.

Actually, when it comes to evaluating basic intelligence, spelling is one of the best and most reliable overall indicators.

Carry on.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 12:42 PM
Assuming your eyes, touch, ears etc.. work. Give me objective proof they do.
All human science of the last couple of hundred years.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 12:48 PM
All that means is every human's senses work the similar way. Not that they are all correct or see an objective reality.

All flies or small animals see the universe in the same way but they don't see it as we see it, who is to say we are the peak and actually see and know what is real?
for the purposes of reality we need to take beyond all reasonable doubt to be absolute in cases such as this. You're trying to pick holes in things that don't actually have holes. Give it up and do something better with your Friday night than argue the toss over absolute truth with me.

PoisonInMyVeins
11/14/08, 12:49 PM
I saw your perfect albums. Suffice to say your opinion on music is as valuable as Gary Glitter's opinion on consent laws.



It's a shame spelling doesn't denote intelligence else you may actually be smart. Kind of.



Wow music is subjective...how can any of us ever compete with brains like this?

complete domination.

kwsqd
11/14/08, 12:56 PM
You two could have the best makeup sex right now.

Kid B
11/14/08, 12:56 PM
How it is complete domination I will never know. He is not responding to Dave's points in any way furthering his argument. He is just making sarcastic remarks. Anybody can do that. Dave does it all of the time. It seems as the Lunch isn't even attempting to make a point, but is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 12:56 PM
Flies live on that assumption albeit they don't acknowledge it. It serves their life perfectly, as does our assumption. They however are wrong, we know that. Once again who's to say we are?



I am waiting for Football Manager to download and my Pizza to arrive.
Are you drawing comparisons between flies and humans because you surmise that they have similar cognitive abilities? Wow, the educational systems in this country are really failing.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 12:57 PM
Actually, when it comes to evaluating basic intelligence, spelling is one of the best and most reliable overall indicators.

Carry on.
I read a similar thing in "What is intelligence?" by Robert Plomin. Good call.

caLLmEnOoNe
11/14/08, 01:08 PM
You two could have the best makeup sex right now.
LOL

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 01:12 PM
You two could have the best makeup sex right now.

But that would be gay.
And for the forum: Paper Walls - Yellowcard
Hits - NFG
Millenium - Backstreet Boys (Amazing album when it came out)
In Love And Death - The Used

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:14 PM
lol.


It just seems that a 20 year old would have better things to do on a Friday.

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:15 PM
But that would be gay.
And for the forum: Paper Walls - Yellowcard
Hits - NFG
Millenium - Backstreet Boys (Amazing album when it came out)
In Love And Death - The Used
Is this a joke?

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:16 PM
tHa CaRtEr 3 iS dEfInEtLy TeH bEsT hIp-HoP cD eVaR 111!!

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:17 PM
So instead of making money, you sit around and argue... "naivity", eh?

Either way, I doubt that I will regret posting in this thread when I "grow up".

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:23 PM
This doesn't explain why you're not making money now...

what with the 50,000$ soundsystem of your father's, I can understand why you aren't accustomed to working that much.

MADSTA
11/14/08, 01:29 PM
Secondly you are not a music fan. Continue to listen to music you impress your friends at shows and pull girls.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you constitute as a 'music fan'?
??

chipdip18
11/14/08, 01:30 PM
This doesn't explain why you're not making money now...

what with the 50,000$ soundsystem of your father's, I can understand why you aren't accustomed to working that much.


How do you know what his Dad has? That's just weird.

caLLmEnOoNe
11/14/08, 01:31 PM
I didn't feel like answering. Life is unfair sometimes.
tell me about it

MADSTA
11/14/08, 01:33 PM
M-(

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:35 PM
How do you know what his Dad has? That's just weird.

I listened to Pet Sounds on my Dads $10,000 system remastered in stero on audio DVD format last week. If you had heard that album on that system you would not be even entertaining the idea that any Beatles album is better than it.

10k, my mistake

HangsLikeHeaven
11/14/08, 01:36 PM
lol Ben getting tag teamed by minors. Love it.

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 01:37 PM
Is this a joke?
Umm... no?
They're all albums that were "perfect for me" when they were released

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:41 PM
You are 14. Stop trying to be smart and let the older boys talk. You will of course cry your pre-pubescent eyes out now that your age doesn't matter but it does and it oozes from everything you have ever said on this site.
I will agree that age does matter, there's bands i loved at 12 that i absolutely cant stand now, and i know that 2-3 years from now i'll be be cleaning out my iTunes and replacing it with the Radioheads and the Beatles.

Of course i'll prolly always love the Blink-182's and the Jimmy Eat World's somewhat, but most kids that are into "scene" music grow out of it, and those who don't will always have a limited view of music

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:41 PM
I just remember that argument, sorry lol I didn't mean to contradict you or anything, I just didn't want Chipdip thinking I was a creeper.

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:42 PM
Umm... no?
They're all albums that were "perfect for me" when they were released
What do you mean "no?"? are you asking me if the answer no is allowed? If so, no, it isn't allowed.

Where is "perfect for me" cited from?

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:43 PM
Umm... no?
They're all albums that were "perfect for me" when they were released
ignore it, Kid B is much more sophisticated than you

El_Jeffe
11/14/08, 01:48 PM
??

a real music fan? a definition open to some interpretation. but along the lines of someone who sees music as more than a mere cheap means of entertainment, someone who sees the artistic side to it all. someone who sees the entire musical realm as a whole, as one world full of different paths & diversity, awaiting exploration & personal discovery, completely blind to age, genre, trend, chart success or independent barriers. someone who allows their emotions to flow with the music, let the colours wash upon their minds, the messages stream through their conscious & soul. & definitely someone who can understand that music (well all art really) is defined by all it's glorious imperfections. if music can excite you in any of these ways, then play on my friend, you are a real music fan

/that's my interpretation anyway & seldom do people agree with me haha. i just thought it was an interesting question to ask

chipdip18
11/14/08, 01:48 PM
I just remember that argument, sorry lol I didn't mean to contradict you or anything, I just didn't want Chipdip thinking I was a creeper.

haha yeah that throw me off a bit. Earlier this week i was reading through some thread where people quoted Ben from way back, and i was wondering if Ben haters had compiled a word document of what he says, ready to throw him off guard. Well, that's exaggerated but you get what i mean.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:50 PM
lunchforthesky has a scene kid rebellion coming towards him sometime soon

_jonas
11/14/08, 01:53 PM
Guys guys guys. Quit the fighting. There's obviously only one album that could top Pink Moon, and that would be Pink Moon.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:53 PM
a real music fan? a definition open to some interpretation. but along the lines of someone who sees music as more than a mere cheap means of entertainment, someone who sees the artistic side to it all. someone who sees the entire musical realm as a whole, as one world full of different paths & diversity, awaiting exploration & personal discovery, completely blind to age, genre, trend, chart success or independent barriers. someone who allows their emotions to flow with the music, let the colours wash upon their minds, the messages stream through their conscious & soul. & definitely someone who can understand that music (well all art really) is defined by all it's glorious imperfections. if music can excite you in any of these ways, then play on my friend, you are a real music fan

/that's my interpretation anyway & seldom do people agree with me haha. i just thought it was an interesting question to ask
sig'd it

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:55 PM
ignore it, Kid B is much more sophisticated than you
You said it, not me.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:56 PM
You said it, not me.
It could have been sarcasm or truth, i'll let your internet body language reading skill figure that out

Kid B
11/14/08, 01:58 PM
It could have been sarcasm or truth, i'll let your internet body language reading skill figure that out
I already knew that it was sarcasm... have you ever done this kind of thing before?

Also, it could be sarcasm and truth. They are not opposites.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 01:59 PM
I already knew that it was sarcasm... have you ever done this kind of thing before?

Also, it could be sarcasm and truth. They are not opposites.
No, i havn't mastered my forum arguing yet

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 02:00 PM
ignore it, Kid B is much more sophisticated than you
lol is that good or bad?
and thati was my intentions

Kid B
11/14/08, 02:00 PM
I know, I used my internet body language reading skill to figure that one out.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:01 PM
lol is that good or bad?
and thati was my intentions
Bascially if your dad didn't tell you that Radiohead was a good band, then it's bad

Kid B
11/14/08, 02:02 PM
lol is that good or bad?
and thati was my intentions

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Holy shit...

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:02 PM
I know, I used my internet body language reading skill to figure that one out.
:appl:

MADSTA
11/14/08, 02:03 PM
a real music fan? a definition open to some interpretation. but along the lines of someone who sees music as more than a mere cheap means of entertainment, someone who sees the artistic side to it all. someone who sees the entire musical realm as a whole, as one world full of different paths & diversity, awaiting exploration & personal discovery, completely blind to age, genre, trend, chart success or independent barriers. someone who allows their emotions to flow with the music, let the colours wash upon their minds, the messages stream through their conscious & soul. & definitely someone who can understand that music (well all art really) is defined by all it's glorious imperfections. if music can excite you in any of these ways, then play on my friend, you are a real music fan

/that's my interpretation anyway & seldom do people agree with me haha. i just thought it was an interesting question to ask
Thanks! I actually really like your definition.

Kid B
11/14/08, 02:04 PM
Bascially if your dad didn't tell you that Radiohead was a good band, then it's bad
This post makes absolutely no sense. My dad died of cancer when I was 3, so yeah, you're right. Good point in saying that since my Dad apparently came to me from beyond the grave and told me that Radiohead is good, makes me superior. My god, I realize that I was just arguing against this type of posting, but you are a fucking moron.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:06 PM
This post makes absolutely no sense. My dad died of cancer when I was 3, so yeah, you're right. Good point in saying that since my Dad apparently came to me from beyond the grave and told me that Radiohead is good, makes me superior. My god, I realize that I was just arguing against this type of posting, but you are a fucking moron.
Because i knew that, right?

El_Jeffe
11/14/08, 02:07 PM
sig'd it

haha i wasn't expecting that, but good on ya mate. i like topics that are open to different perspectives, makes for interesting discussion. & what makes a "real" music fan in my view my be very different from your own view, or that of anyone else's. but that's what keeps this place interesting

Thanks! I actually really like your definition.

i have no idea what you were after, i just chime in with my two cents from time to time

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:07 PM
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Holy shit...
"And all you have to show for it is that you've sat around on your computer and typed in "Wow you're music taste is horrible" about 27,000 times"

_jonas
11/14/08, 02:07 PM
My dad told me Radiohead was a shit band for stoner hippies, so I fucking sliced that bitch up to shit.

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 02:08 PM
Bascially if your dad didn't tell you that Radiohead was a good band, then it's bad
Oh, I HATE Radiohead.
Most overrated band EVER

Jumpoff
11/14/08, 02:08 PM
My Dad is a computer programmer. I do not know anything about computer programming and even if I did I would need either a degree or decades of experience to get anything like the contracts required to make a lot of money and I am too young for either.

I make money by running my own small business, or rather several businesses and it would be impossible to make money all the time doing it.

What kind of small business do you run?

By the way, I was wondering, is SMiLE by Bryan Wilson worth getting for someone who likes Pet Sounds? I was told that it would have been considered better than Sgt. Peppers if it was released when it was supposed to be so wondering.

Kid B
11/14/08, 02:08 PM
Because i knew that, right?
Your post still made absolutely no sense. If my dad had told me that Radiohead was a good band, then suddenly I would think myself superior? How does this make any sense at all? It looks like you are just splurting out random words in attempt to cluster them into a sentence.

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 02:10 PM
This post makes absolutely no sense. My dad died of cancer when I was 3, so yeah, you're right. Good point in saying that since my Dad apparently came to me from beyond the grave and told me that Radiohead is good, makes me superior. My god, I realize that I was just arguing against this type of posting, but you are a fucking moron.
God did it to punish you. Douche bag

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:10 PM
Your post still made absolutely no sense. If my dad had told me that Radiohead was a good band, then suddenly I would think myself superior? How does this make any sense at all? It looks like you are just splurting out random words in attempt to cluster them into a sentence.
And it looks like you're just attempting to be witty

_jonas
11/14/08, 02:12 PM
Golden Sun was brilliant

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:13 PM
Golden Sun was brilliant
Found it the other day and havn't been able to stop playing

Jumpoff
11/14/08, 02:13 PM
I loved Golden Sun when it came out. Went back and played it recently and realized I would consider it complete shit if it was the first time I played it.

Jumpoff
11/14/08, 02:14 PM
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Holy shit...

You are kind of an asshole. Kinda.

DaveZeroZero
11/14/08, 02:15 PM
There's not even any objective reason we have better cognitive abilities than flies actually but please continue to not get it.

Even working on that assumption our grasp of the universe may well be so insufficient that the difference between our senses and that of a fly is only slight.
You're being absurd. Stop making all of these facetious comments about the ifs and buts of the universe.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:16 PM
I don't think i ever beat it


EDIT: that's what she said

_jonas
11/14/08, 02:17 PM
But we must know of the universal laws which govern our principles, our morals if we're ever to master the art that is the 5 star album.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:20 PM
But we must know of the universal laws which govern our principles, our morals if we're ever to master the art that is the 5 star album.

But only Kid B knows what that is.
fixed

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 02:21 PM
fixed
lol

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 02:22 PM
You are kind of an asshole. Kinda.
Me?

_jonas
11/14/08, 02:22 PM
But we must know of the universal laws which govern our principles, our morals if we're ever to master the art that is the 5 star album.

but only lunchforthesky knows that

fixed myself.

_jonas
11/14/08, 02:22 PM
Me?
The person he quoted would be a better guess.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 02:23 PM
Me?
no, the kid who quoted you

Dubui_209
11/14/08, 02:28 PM
The person he quoted would be a better guess.
That's what I thought, just making sure.

IWasaCamera
11/14/08, 02:45 PM
Wow, this place has really gone down the shitter since I last checked.

Anyway, Pink Moon and A Love Supreme are the only albums I've ever heard that come anywhere near 5 star status. Perhaps I hold albums to too high a standard. Oh well.

Jumpoff
11/14/08, 03:47 PM
Wow, this place has really gone down the shitter since I last checked.

Anyway, Pink Moon and A Love Supreme are the only albums I've ever heard that come anywhere near 5 star status. Perhaps I hold albums to too high a standard. Oh well.

This thread isn't meant for perfect albums. It's meant for for albums you consider personal classics that others would disagree with.. the OP just stated it in a weird way.

IWasaCamera
11/14/08, 05:51 PM
This thread isn't meant for perfect albums. It's meant for for albums you consider personal classics that others would disagree with.. the OP just stated it in a weird way.
Yeah, didn't get that at all from the title or the first post. In that case, I don't think I could name any "personal classics" others don't take as kindly to. Looking over my favorites list now, everything I really enjoy has been whored by others here at some point. Maybe Paul Simon's self-titled or On The Beach by Neil Young?

_jonas
11/14/08, 05:54 PM
For me it'd be Pink Moon, Sea Change and Agaetis Byrjun.
Completely perfect in my opinion.

Jumpoff
11/14/08, 05:59 PM
Yeah, didn't get that at all from the title or the first post. In that case, I don't think I could name any "personal classics" others don't take as kindly to. Looking over my favorites list now, everything I really enjoy has been whored by others here at some point. Maybe Paul Simon's self-titled or On The Beach by Neil Young?

Was just pointign that out to justify some of the picks you disagree with haha. I don't know why he stated it like that, considering 5/5 shoudl essentially be "perfect"... but he says albums you consider 5/5 but aren't perfect. Oh well.

aliciaAUTOPSY
11/14/08, 06:03 PM
in love and death.

IWasaCamera
11/14/08, 06:03 PM
Was just pointign that out to justify some of the picks you disagree with haha. I don't know why he stated it like that, considering 5/5 shoudl essentially be "perfect"... but he says albums you consider 5/5 but aren't perfect. Oh well.
Basically post a shorter list of favorites ha.

_jonas
11/14/08, 06:04 PM
Just perfect to your eardrums.

_jonas
11/14/08, 06:05 PM
in love and death.
lulz lulz lulz

CellarGhosts
11/14/08, 06:23 PM
Eh, my usual picks, nothing I haven't said before but whatever.

Rain Dogs - Tom Waits
Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen
12 Small Steps One Giant Disappointment - Bad Astronaut
The Greatest Story Ever Told - The Lawrence Arms
If I Should Fall From Grace... - The Pogues
Abbey Road - The Beatles
Bivouac - Jawbreaker
Reunion Tour - The Weakerthans
Tim - The Replacements
Beggar's Banquet - The Rolling Stones


etc etc etc

Someone'sCoat
11/14/08, 06:45 PM
in love and death.
? I have no idea what this is

_jonas
11/14/08, 06:48 PM
? I have no idea what this is
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002XEDMG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

funkel
11/14/08, 06:55 PM
For me it'd be Pink Moon, Sea Change and Agaetis Byrjun.
Completely perfect in my opinion.
Agaetis Byrjun is arguably their worst.

CellarGhosts
11/14/08, 06:55 PM
Haha, someone told me before that one of the songs on that album is about getting ass-raped.

edit: I'm talking about In Love and Death.

funkel
11/14/08, 06:57 PM
Haha, someone told me before that one of the songs on that album is about getting ass-raped.

edit: I'm talking about In Love and Death.
Well one of the songs on Agaetis could be about being ass-raped for all we know, ha.

_jonas
11/14/08, 06:57 PM
Aegatis Byrjun is arguably their worst.
Hey, nuts to you.

CellarGhosts
11/14/08, 06:58 PM
Well one of the songs on Agaetis could be about being ass-raped for all we know, ha.
Haha

funkel
11/14/08, 07:00 PM
Hey, nuts to you.
( ) = Takk... > Med Sud > Hvarf/Heim > Agaetis

I've yet to hear Von.

_jonas
11/14/08, 07:01 PM
Von is unarguably their worst. Yet, still goodish.

bowl of oranges
11/14/08, 07:02 PM
Arcade Fire- Funeral
The Beatles- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Bob Dylan- Blood on the Tracks
Bright Eyes- Lifted..., I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
David Bowie- Hunky Dory
Death Cab For Cutie- Transatlanticism
Desaparecidos- Read Music/Speak Spanish
The Flaming Lips- The Soft Bulletin
Iron & Wine- The Creek Drank the Cradle
mewithoutYou- Brother, Sister
Modest Mouse- The Moon & Antarctica
The National- Boxer
Neutral Milk Hotel- In The Aeroplane, Over The Sea
The Postal Service- Give Up
Radiohead- Kid A
Sigur Ros- Takk...
Sufjan Stevens- Illinois
Weezer- Pinkerton
Yeah Yeah Yeahs- Fever To Tell

Sorry about the long list.

_jonas
11/14/08, 07:12 PM
Arcade Fire- Funeral
The Beatles- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Bob Dylan- Blood on the Tracks
Bright Eyes- Lifted..., I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
David Bowie- Hunky Dory
Death Cab For Cutie- Transatlanticism
Desaparecidos- Read Music/Speak Spanish
The Flaming Lips- The Soft Bulletin
Iron & Wine- The Creek Drank the Cradle
mewithoutYou- Brother, Sister
Modest Mouse- The Moon & Antarctica
The National- Boxer
Neutral Milk Hotel- In The Aeroplane, Over The Sea
The Postal Service- Give Up
Radiohead- Kid A
Sigur Ros- Takk...
Sufjan Stevens- Illinois
Weezer- Pinkerton
Yeah Yeah Yeahs- Fever To Tell

Sorry about the long list.
Almost perfect except I'm a Wide Awake guy. Next to that, spot on for each band.

Kid B
11/14/08, 07:12 PM
God did it to punish you. Douche bag
Wow, I bet you feel real high and mighty now.

_jonas
11/14/08, 07:15 PM
No gooddamn arguments. Pink Moon is winner.

funkel
11/14/08, 07:15 PM
Jonsi is gay so anal sex is well on the cards.
Well yeah, I meant it in two ways.

funkel
11/14/08, 07:16 PM
No gooddamn arguments. Pink Moon is winner.
Aeroplane.

_jonas
11/14/08, 07:16 PM
Hey Jonsi is brilliant

funkel
11/14/08, 07:20 PM
Sigur Ros is in my top 5 or 7 bands, so I'd agree.

Kid B
11/14/08, 07:24 PM
"And all you have to show for it is that you've sat around on your computer and typed in "Wow you're music taste is horrible" about 27,000 times"

I made an exception. I don't have 27k posts. A male human being that thinks Millenium deserves 5/5 obviously needs some ridicule. He made fun of my dad dying when I was three... he's already a pretty fucked up person anyway.

omgshe'sdead
11/14/08, 07:27 PM
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
Neutral Milk Hotel - In an Aeroplane Over The Sea

Kid B
11/14/08, 07:31 PM
For some reason I've still never listened to any Refused.

omgshe'sdead
11/14/08, 07:36 PM
Good calls. I replied to your University thread.

Thanks!

The Clash - London Calling just barely didn't make the cut. I'm quite confident with some more listening, it'll be on the same level as I consider those two.

CellarGhosts
11/14/08, 07:36 PM
For some reason I've still never listened to any Refused.
Check out Shape Of Punk to Come. It's jocked alot but with good reason.

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 07:50 PM
I made an exception. I don't have 27k posts. A male human being that thinks Millenium deserves 5/5 obviously needs some ridicule. He made fun of my dad dying when I was three... he's already a pretty fucked up person anyway.
Well, this is true.

funkel
11/14/08, 07:50 PM
For some reason I've still never listened to any Refused.
Fail.

oncedarkness
11/14/08, 09:59 PM
Define the great line- UO
Polarity- the wedding
Phenomenon- Thousand Foot Krutch
Two lefts... -Relient K
Cities- Anberlin

c_rob2700
11/14/08, 10:03 PM
Christian br00tality

Kid B
11/15/08, 07:37 AM
:-d

Rodeo
11/15/08, 08:33 AM
Small Brown Bike - Dead Reckoning
Jawbreaker - Dear You
Against Me! - ...is Re-Inventing Axl Rose
Leatherface - Mush
Avail - Front Porch Stories
Bear Vs. Shark - Terrorhawk

DilesMavis
11/15/08, 10:06 AM
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Slowdive - Souvlaki
Galaxie 500 - On Fire

kearn1tm
11/15/08, 10:46 AM
Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you constitute as a 'music fan'?

So much stupidity in this thread. A fan of music is one who embraces the entire medium and does not limit themselves to marginalized sects of the artform. If you find yourself primarily listening to a certain sound and unwilling to explore outside of it, you're not a fan of music, you're a person who want to tailor themselves to a specific aesthetic and feel of a compartmentalized portion of a vast spectrum.

Most people are not music fans. They treat music as a monetary entertainment medium, grabbing what little they like and never bothering to explore it beyond easily digestible jingles or the music that matches their sensibilities.

funkel
11/15/08, 10:50 AM
So much stupidity in this thread. A fan of music is one who embraces the entire medium and does not limit themselves to marginalized sects of the artform. If you find yourself primarily listening to a certain sound and unwilling to explore outside of it, you're not a fan of music, you're a person who want to tailor themselves to a specific aesthetic and feel of a compartmentalized portion of a vast spectrum.

Most people are not music fans. They treat music as a monetary entertainment medium, grabbing what little they like and never bothering to explore it beyond easily digestible jingles or the music that matches their sensibilities.
Minimum song requirement needed to be a music fan?

c_rob2700
11/15/08, 10:59 AM
I'd go with 1

kearn1tm
11/15/08, 11:07 AM
Minimum song requirement needed to be a music fan?

2 cubed.

ThisIsNotDan
11/15/08, 11:10 AM
fall out boy-under the cork tree even tho i dont like them
i-empire-angels and airwaves
the beatles-rubber soul

i can't think of anymore but thats off the top of my head

if you love the album and think it is that good (even though I disagree), that's fine and all, but that was an awful attempt at trying to make yourself look cool

You could, what's stopping you?

I do not understand why with over 70 years of music to listen to you are limiting yourself to music made in the last 10 years and music from two or three genres. I don't understand how you can even consider yourself a fan of music.

agreed

Isn't the whole point of music personal enjoyment? It shouldn't be such a social thing if you think of it as seriously as you do. Nobody is listing any reasons as to why their music is better, because there are no reasons. If people cannot stand the community on this website, then why stay? There are a ton of other forums out there, built around people with similar music tastes as yourselves. I know this has been said a thousand times, and I know you all will probably just reply with something along the lines of "I do it because the members are so stupid that it's hilarious", and that's fine, but it really is about as good of a reply as coming back with "because it's in the bible" when asked how one would know that god exists. I don't even see why it matters at all. I don't understand why you are posting with all of these people that you can't even have a decent conversation with, let alone discuss music with, when you could instead be listening to the music that you think is so beautiful. And all you have to show for it is that you've sat around on your computer and typed in "Wow you're music taste is horrible" about 27,000 times.

You remind me of Jack Black in High Fidelity, when that middle-aged man walks in the record store to buy something for his teenage daughter. Jack Black senselessly ridicules him, for what, self enjoyment? I think not. It's obviously to exercise the sense of superiority. Yeah, Dave's music taste sucks, but who gives a fuck? What are you trying to prove?

you bring up some very good points and I lol'd at the High Fidelity paragraph

You are 14. Stop trying to be smart and let the older boys talk. You will of course cry your pre-pubescent eyes out now that your age doesn't matter but it does and it oozes from everything you have ever said on this site.

come on Ben. you're a cool dude and all but he did put up a good response and you kinda shit on him. this is something I'd expect from a general forum-go'er

a real music fan? a definition open to some interpretation. but along the lines of someone who sees music as more than a mere cheap means of entertainment, someone who sees the artistic side to it all. someone who sees the entire musical realm as a whole, as one world full of different paths & diversity, awaiting exploration & personal discovery, completely blind to age, genre, trend, chart success or independent barriers. someone who allows their emotions to flow with the music, let the colours wash upon their minds, the messages stream through their conscious & soul. & definitely someone who can understand that music (well all art really) is defined by all it's glorious imperfections. if music can excite you in any of these ways, then play on my friend, you are a real music fan

/that's my interpretation anyway & seldom do people agree with me haha. i just thought it was an interesting question to ask

this is why you're one of my favorites on here

Kid B
11/15/08, 11:28 AM
Blood On The Tracks is another 5/5 for me. Maybe Blonde on Blonde too.

c_rob2700
11/15/08, 11:39 AM
How El Jeffe isn't on staff baffles me, the guy is the best poster on this website

Kid B
11/15/08, 11:40 AM
Something that everyone must acknowledge^

DaveZeroZero
11/15/08, 11:46 AM
How El Jeffe isn't on staff baffles me, the guy is the best poster on this website
There was a campaign to get him promoted once.

c_rob2700
11/15/08, 11:53 AM
I've never seen him make a non-brilliant statement, and his music recs. are second to none

Praetor
11/15/08, 12:15 PM
Isn't the whole point of music personal enjoyment? It shouldn't be such a social thing if you think of it as seriously as you do. Nobody is listing any reasons as to why their music is better, because there are no reasons. If people cannot stand the community on this website, then why stay? There are a ton of other forums out there, built around people with similar music tastes as yourselves. I know this has been said a thousand times, and I know you all will probably just reply with something along the lines of "I do it because the members are so stupid that it's hilarious", and that's fine, but it really is about as good of a reply as coming back with "because it's in the bible" when asked how one would know that god exists. I don't even see why it matters at all. I don't understand why you are posting with all of these people that you can't even have a decent conversation with, let alone discuss music with, when you could instead be listening to the music that you think is so beautiful. And all you have to show for it is that you've sat around on your computer and typed in "Wow you're music taste is horrible" about 27,000 times.

You remind me of Jack Black in High Fidelity, when that middle-aged man walks in the record store to buy something for his teenage daughter. Jack Black senselessly ridicules him, for what, self enjoyment? I think not. It's obviously to exercise the sense of superiority. Yeah, Dave's music taste sucks, but who gives a fuck? What are you trying to prove?Paper Walls (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Paper+Walls), Ocean Avenue (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Ocean+Avenue), If Only You Were Lonely (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=If+Only+You+Were+Lonely), Appetite For Destruction (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Appetite+For+Destruction), The Black Parade (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=The+Black+Parade), Greetings From The Imrie House (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Greetings+From+The+Imrie+Hou se), Don't You Fake It (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Don%27t+You+Fake+It), Can't Love (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Can%27t+Love), Can't Hurt (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Can%27t+Hurt), In Love And Death (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=In+Love+And+Death), We All Need A Reason To Believe (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=We+All+Need+A+Reason+To+Beli eve), We The Kings (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=We+The+Kings), I-Empire (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=I-Empire), Truly Madly Completley (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Truly+Madly+Completley), Turn The Radio Off (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Turn+The+Radio+Off), Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Three+Cheers+For+Sweet+Reven ge), Liberation Transmission (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Liberation+Transmission), My December (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=My+December), Continuum (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Continuum), Collision Course (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Collision+Course), Foot In Mouth Disease (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Foot+In+Mouth+Disease), The Possibility And The Promise (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=The+Possibility+And+The+Prom ise), Millenium (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=Millenium), NFG hits (http://www.absolutepunk.net/memberlist.php?do=getall&field6=NFG+hits)

Holy shit...
Congratulations! You just completely contradicted yourself.

Someone'sCoat
11/15/08, 12:49 PM
Congratulations! You just completely contradicted yourself.
Haha yeah I noticed it too. Not too bright a fellow.

Kid B
11/15/08, 02:22 PM
Congratulations! You just completely contradicted yourself.
One, this has already been said, two, I already explained it one or two pages back, three, I never contradicted myself because I never said that I didn't criticize other people's music tastes.

_jonas
11/15/08, 02:30 PM
Music sucks

Jackfrost50
11/15/08, 02:53 PM
Foo Fighters- The Colour & The Shape
Third Eye Blind- Self-titled

_jonas
11/15/08, 02:54 PM
lulz

Kid B
11/15/08, 03:00 PM
Both are great albums

DaveZeroZero
11/15/08, 03:02 PM
more lulz

_jonas
11/15/08, 03:03 PM
third eye lulz

Kid B
11/15/08, 03:15 PM
more lulz
I would think that you'd love both those albums, well, maybe not the Foo Fighters as much as 3eb.

DaveZeroZero
11/15/08, 03:18 PM
I would think that you'd love both those albums, well, maybe not the Foo Fighters as much as 3eb.
I listened to a little bit of 3eb on Yahoo! Launch when I was 13 and that was the end of it.

_jonas
11/15/08, 03:23 PM
Dear Science,
Dear Science,
Dear Science,

Too goooood

fran.182
11/15/08, 03:38 PM
blink-182 self titled

Dubui_209
11/15/08, 07:25 PM
blink-182 self titled

Their Greatest hits Album is definetley up there.
If "All The Small Things" was on the self-titled album. I would agree

ThemChains
11/15/08, 07:27 PM
Their Greatest hits Album is definetley up there.
If "All The Small Things" was on the self-titled album. I would agree


Quite possibly the worst Blink 182 song of all time.

c_rob2700
11/15/08, 07:28 PM
How can a Compilation album be considred 5/5?

_jonas
11/15/08, 08:34 PM
No collection of Blink songs could ever garner a perfect score.
They hardly have enough songs that are themselves "perfect".
Screw the hub bub on what perfect is. Whatever it is, they don't have it.

kanyewong
11/15/08, 08:50 PM
blink-182 Take off your pants and jacket

_jonas
11/15/08, 08:50 PM
lulz you silly bastard

Dubui_209
11/15/08, 08:52 PM
How can a Compilation album be considred 5/5?
it can't... wasn't really considering that

Troggy
11/15/08, 08:53 PM
blink-182 self titled

doesn't that one have "i miss you" on it? What a huge sack of turd that song is.

Jackfrost50
11/16/08, 12:26 AM
I forgot Valencia - We Need A Reason To Believe
Although it's not really fair, because it's 6 songs, Cinematic Sunrise - Long Playing EP is phenomenal.

I would think that you'd love both those albums, well, maybe not the Foo Fighters as much as 3eb.

I love how apparently this board knows my taste already. It's only because all these threads are Greatest of all Time or album of the year or favorite song of all time. A lot of it I havent listened to in awhile, but it left its mark on me.

xEmlehx
11/16/08, 05:42 AM
if you love the album and think it is that good (even though I disagree), that's fine and all, but that was an awful attempt at trying to make yourself look cool


yeah. you're right. that's the only reason why i go on this website. sorry that i'm not as cool as you. :worship:

ThisIsNotDan
11/16/08, 05:45 AM
yeah. you're right. that's the only reason why i go on this website. sorry that i'm not as cool as you. :worship:

no offense to you. I just don't see why you felt the need to add that. if you really think their album is that good, then whatever floats your boat, but you don't need to try and cover it up. maybe you meant you don't like them anymore and I'm just being an ass haha

xEmlehx
11/16/08, 05:53 AM
thats what i meant. like in seventh grade i was obsessed with them and went to their concerts and stuff. then in like 8th grade i realized how amazing their album was. then in 9th grade i was like (after Infinity On High came out) this band is worthless to me now. i just think they are overplayed and i'm just sick of them now. but from under the cork tree is a well put together album. thats what im saying.

ThisIsNotDan
11/16/08, 05:58 AM
gotcha

xEmlehx
11/16/08, 06:01 AM
gotcha

so we're cool now?

ThisIsNotDan
11/16/08, 06:04 AM
yes

xEmlehx
11/16/08, 06:05 AM
k good

Kid B
11/16/08, 08:33 AM
I forgot Valencia - We Need A Reason To Believe
Although it's not really fair, because it's 6 songs, Cinematic Sunrise - Long Playing EP is phenomenal.



I love how apparently this board knows my taste already. It's only because all these threads are Greatest of all Time or album of the year or favorite song of all time. A lot of it I havent listened to in awhile, but it left its mark on me.
I wasn't talking to you and I don't understand how you think I was, I had quoted DaveZeroZero. :-|

kearn1tm
11/16/08, 08:46 AM
What are the parameters we're working under in relation to "Five Star albums?" Does this mean albums we perceive to be perfect or infallible?

If so, I suppose:

The Beach Boys -- Pet Sounds
Joan Baez -- Diamonds & Rust
Bob Dylan -- Blonde on Blonde

Close to perfection:

Buck Owens -- You're for Me
Bob Dylan -- Blood on the Tracks
Joni Mitchell -- Blue
Richard Hell & the Voidoids -- Blank Generation
The Fall -- Hex Enduction Hour
Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force -- Planet Rock: The Album
Woodie Guthrie -- Dust Bowl Ballads (collection)
Miles Davis -- Kind of Blue and Bitches Brew

Rodeo
11/16/08, 08:51 AM
More perfection:

Television - Marquee Moon
The Damned - Damned Damned Damned
Black Flag - Damaged
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme & Blue Train
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue

Kid B
11/16/08, 08:55 AM
thats what i meant. like in seventh grade i was obsessed with them and went to their concerts and stuff. then in like 8th grade i realized how amazing their album was. then in 9th grade i was like (after Infinity On High came out) this band is worthless to me now. i just think they are overplayed and i'm just sick of them now. but from under the cork tree is a well put together album. thats what im saying.
Well put together album =/= 5/5 album

Jackfrost50
11/16/08, 11:55 AM
I wasn't talking to you and I don't understand how you think I was, I had quoted DaveZeroZero. :-|

Whoops, sorry bud, I thought I saw that dick Troggy post that, haha. No worries.

Oh, throw City & Colour - Bring Me Your Love on this list.

TotalCollapse
11/16/08, 12:13 PM
All's Well That Ends Well -Chiodos
Voices -Matchbook Romance
On the Frail Wings of Vanity and Wax -Alesana
The Fall of the Ideals -All That Remains
An Ocean Between Us -As I Lay Dying
Downtown Battle Mountain -Dance Gavin Dance
For Those Who Have Heart -A Day to Remember
Relativity -Emarosa
Lovers' Requiem -I Am Ghost

DaveZeroZero
11/16/08, 12:17 PM
All's Well That Ends Well -Chiodos
Voices -Matchbook Romance
On the Frail Wings of Vanity and Wax -Alesana
The Fall of the Ideals -All That Remains
An Ocean Between Us -As I Lay Dying
Downtown Battle Mountain -Dance Gavin Dance
For Those Who Have Heart -A Day to Remember
Relativity -Emarosa
Lovers' Requiem -I Am Ghost
none of those are 5/5 albums, by any standards.

HangsLikeHeaven
11/16/08, 12:20 PM
none of those are 5/5 albums, by any standards.

Didn't you put Pierce The Veil in your list?

TotalCollapse
11/16/08, 12:29 PM
none of those are 5/5 albums, by any standards.
To my standards, yes. I can understand that they aren't the type of bands you listen to. That's fine. That was just my opinion.

kearn1tm
11/16/08, 12:41 PM
Empires - Howl
The Gaslight Anthem - The '59 Sound
Gatsby's American Dream - Gatsby's American Dream
Valencia - We All Need a Reason to Believe
Boys Night Out - Trainwreck
Fall Out Boy - Take This To Your Grave
This Time Next Year - A Place for You
Pierce the Veil - A Flair for the Dramatic
The Assembly Line - Explodes Like Fireworks
The Graduate - Evergreen

none of those are 5/5 albums, by any standards.

Hilarious.

ThisIsNotDan
11/16/08, 12:42 PM
none of those are 5/5 albums, by any standards.

to be honest at least half of your list isn't close either

Jumpoff
11/16/08, 12:47 PM
What are the parameters we're working under in relation to "Five Star albums?" Does this mean albums we perceive to be perfect or infallible?

If so, I suppose:

The Beach Boys -- Pet Sounds
Joan Baez -- Diamonds & Rust
Bob Dylan -- Blonde on Blonde

Close to perfection:

Buck Owens -- You're for Me
Bob Dylan -- Blood on the Tracks
Joni Mitchell -- Blue
Richard Hell & the Voidoids -- Blank Generation
The Fall -- Hex Enduction Hour
Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force -- Planet Rock: The Album
Woodie Guthrie -- Dust Bowl Ballads (collection)
Miles Davis -- Kind of Blue and Bitches Brew

Love that Richard Hell album.They really deserve more notice than they get.

DaveZeroZero
11/16/08, 12:56 PM
Didn't you put Pierce The Veil in your list?
Yeah, that was a poor call, I'll admit.

To my standards, yes. I can understand that they aren't the type of bands you listen to. That's fine. That was just my opinion.
No, I enjoy about three of the albums on there, but they're still not 5/5 albums.

to be honest at least half of your list isn't close either
True, but "at least half" =/= all

HangsLikeHeaven
11/16/08, 12:58 PM
Yeah, that was a poor call, I'll admit.


No, I enjoy about three of the albums on there, but they're still not 5/5 albums.


True, but "at least half" =/= all

Sort've a bad call on the other one's, eh.

TotalCollapse
11/16/08, 01:02 PM
No, I enjoy about three of the albums on there, but they're still not 5/5 albums.

In your opinion they aren't, and I respect your opinion. But based on exactly what style of music I like, the albums I listed are my favorites.

kearn1tm
11/16/08, 01:02 PM
True, but "at least half" =/= all

None of the albums you listed are anywhere near "five stars."

DaveZeroZero
11/16/08, 01:23 PM
Sort've a bad call on the other one's, eh.
*sort of
*ones
and you missed a question mark.

_jonas
11/16/08, 01:29 PM
Guys understand this, only my opinion matters.

DaveZeroZero
11/16/08, 01:30 PM
Guys understand this, only my opinion matters.
Clearly.

IWasaCamera
11/16/08, 07:15 PM
Buck Owens -- You're for Me
Woodie Guthrie -- Dust Bowl Ballads (collection)

Great picks.

Rodeo
11/16/08, 07:16 PM
Fugazi - Repeater

versus_god
11/16/08, 07:19 PM
1-2-3...

hf57
11/16/08, 07:38 PM
william fitzsimmons - goodnight

_jonas
11/16/08, 07:42 PM
william fitzsimmons - goodnight
Dude, he sooo doesn't get enough love around here. Represent!

katekate
11/16/08, 08:17 PM
MGMT - Oracular Spectacular
taking back sunday - tell all your friends
brand new - deja entendu
brand new - the devil and god
sum 41 - all killer no filler
blink-182 - dude ranch
blink-182 - enema of the state

katekate
11/16/08, 08:19 PM
oh and death cab - transatlanticism

Jumpoff
11/16/08, 08:27 PM
Guys understand this, only my opinion matters.

I think everyone knows this, but were just saying that DZZ shouldn't be insulting anyone else's lists when his is equally shit...

kearn1tm
11/16/08, 08:27 PM
Great picks.

Thanks.

Jumpoff
11/16/08, 08:29 PM
Is Arlo Guthrie any good in comparison to Woody?

kearn1tm
11/16/08, 08:47 PM
Is Arlo Guthrie any good in comparison to Woody?

He's nowhere near the songwriter his father was, but he inherited Woodie's penchant for crafting songs around social injustice and Hobo's Lullaby and Last of the Brooklyn Cowboys are two good folk albums. The rest of his catalogue isn't necessary listening.

IWasaCamera
11/16/08, 08:49 PM
Arlo is hit or miss.

Jumpoff
11/16/08, 08:49 PM
He's nowhere near the songwriter his father was, but he inherited Woodie's penchant for crafting songs around social injustice and Hobo's Lullaby and Last of the Brooklyn Cowboys are two good folk albums. The rest of his catalogue isn't necessary listening.

Heard that his best was Alice's Restaurant :shrug:

What other folk albums do you consider necessary listening?