question about cabs

[theguy77]

if i were to change out the speakers in my marshall AVT 4x12 with celestion G12T-75s from a JCM900 cab, would it sound like that cab, or are there other things that come into play? i'd assume the two marshall cabs were both made out of the same woods and cosmetics.

[patrickhowell]

Since it's a smaller cab, it will have less bass than the 1960A. Really, I think you'd be much better off selling your Marshall cab and getting an Avatar 412 (or even 212) with V30s.

[The Boathouse]

Considering the price range differences in the AVT and JCM lines, I'd say: No, the cabs are not made of the same wood at all. Second, Avatar cabs are fucking awesome, and considerably cheaper than a Marshall because you aren't paying for the name on the grillecloth.

[patrickhowell]

Also, don't be afraid to pick up something used, you'll save a ton of money. I just scanned the Baltimore Craigslist and there's a few good deals on there:

Marshall 1960A 4x12 (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/910801594.html) - $400
Mesa 4x12 (V30's) (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/913797219.html) - $500
Mesa Straight 4x12 (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/902596477.html) - $550

Also, you should look into the Warehouse Veteran 30 (Vintage 30) (http://warehousespeakers.com/products.php?cat=9) - $65 each.

[theguy77]

shit guys, thanks alot

[of_the_rose]

Yeah dude, definitely don't put those Celestions into an AVT. The type of wood used to house the speakers has a lot to do with the sound of it. Try picking up an AVT then pick up a Marshall 1960 and you'll feel the difference. I'd definitely say Avatar or a used Marshall 1960 of some sort.

[theguy77]

avatar cabs are closed-back, arent they? does that change the sound at all, and if so how much? and whats the significance of an angled cab, it doesnt look like avatar makes those either? im not trying to rag on avatar, i have a couple friends who sport those cabs and they're quality for sure.

i also have another issue: my compact-sized AVT 4x12 is the perfect size because it just barely fits in the backseat of my car, which is one of the reasons i was considering switching speakers in the first place. is the difference in bass frequency REALLY noticable? i should note i found a great deal on some G12T-75s straight out of the JCM900 cab for 50 bucks apiece, making it a much cheaper option to keep my cab, but obviously quality is the most important thing and if the size difference between that 4x12 and a 1960A 4x12 is actually a huge deal im not going to keep it.

[patrickhowell]

Avatar 412 cabs are all closed-back, and their 212 cabs can be ordered open or closed. Closed-back cabs have a more focused sound and tighter bass response, while open-back cabs are louder and fill the room better.

If you really like the size of your cab, it's not going to hurt anything to try them, and that's not a bad price for the speakers. If you like the tone of the G12T-75, then it should sound much better than your cab does now, just don't expect it to sound as big and full as the 1960A.

[mylastflight]

acoustic of the cab plays out a role to, make sure to get the right ohms for the amp.
celestion v30s are the safe way to go about it. check out www.veretone.com lopoline or avatar cabs
veretone is awesome : )

[patrickhowell]

Veteran 30s from Warehouse Speakers are generally considered to be at least as good as Celestion Vintage 30s, and they sell for about half the price.

[theguy77]

ive listened to a lot of samples of various celestion speakers and recorded with the G12T-75s, i just love their EQ and how powerful and gritty they are. and call me kooky but im not too much a fan of the V30s.

[The Boathouse]

Be wary of that. The way a speaker sounds recorded is not necessarily how it's going to sound in your living room or a live situation.

[soapboxhero]

Be wary of that. The way a speaker sounds recorded is not necessarily how it's going to sound in your living room or a live situation.

couldnt be more true.

[theguy77]

Be wary of that. The way a speaker sounds recorded is not necessarily how it's going to sound in your living room or a live situation.

i mean ive stood in the room and played with the tone trying to get feedback and shit too, and that was the opposite of a disappointment, plus the recorded sound is more important to me anyway. i'd be happy playing with my AVT head live, but i just got a JCM900 and though it is nice to have amazing tone in your living room i mostly got it so i wouldnt have to worry about recorded electric guitars sounding like shit.

[splitsecond]

Another option if you are looking to save space is the Marshall 1965b 4x10 cab. OR you can go with a good 2x12 like a Bogner, which you can pick up used for a good price if you look around enough. The closed back Bogner cabs sound better and bigger than almost every 4x12 ive played, and certainly better than any in the price range.

[soapboxhero]

orange man.
do it you wont go back haha

[patrickhowell]

orange man.
do it you wont go back haha

Not worth it.

[The Boathouse]

Not worth it.

I second that.

Far better off with an Avatar with hellatones in it.

[patrickhowell]

I second that.

Far better off with an Avatar with hellatones in it.

Or, for example, you could get an unloaded 4x12 (same dimensions as Orange) from abcustomaudio.net for $179.80. They can build either front-loaded cabs (like mesa, marshall, etc) or rear-loaded cabs (like orange). And you could get 4 Veteran 30's from Warehouse Speakers for $65 each - $260 for four, and most reviews I've seen have said they sound better than Celestion Vintage 30's.

Total price: $440 for a brand new cab, and really the same thing as an Orange 412.

[soapboxhero]

i paid $800 for my all original 1976 orange 412 with eminence square backs in it you could not build a cab with that sound and character. i think it was more than worth the $800 but hey thats just my opinion

[guitarguy100487]

Veteran 30s from Warehouse Speakers are generally considered to be at least as good as Celestion Vintage 30s, and they sell for about half the price.

Personally I am a fan of Eminence Patriot Texas Heat 12s. I mean don't get me wrong Celestion Vintage 30s are awesome speakers and they have excellent break up and top end but I just prefer more bottom and more top end.

[guitarguy100487]

orange man.
do it you wont go back haha

Yeah well the problem with Orange Amps is that they're pretty hard to find in certain parts of the country. Like I live about 45 minutes from Nashville and it's pretty fucking hard to find amps that I like. Shit I gotta order my entire rig from Sweetwater and Musicians friend because no one in the area will carry Dean and Randall and I have yet to be able to go to a Guitar Center since I've lived here and I've lived here for almost 8 months.

[patrickhowell]

Yeah well the problem with Orange Amps is that they're pretty hard to find in certain parts of the country. Like I live about 45 minutes from Nashville and it's pretty fucking hard to find amps that I like. Shit I gotta order my entire rig from Sweetwater and Musicians friend because no one in the area will carry Dean and Randall and I have yet to be able to go to a Guitar Center since I've lived here and I've lived here for almost 8 months.

Why not drive the 45 minutes to Nashville?

[patrickhowell]

i paid $800 for my all original 1976 orange 412 with eminence square backs in it you could not build a cab with that sound and character. i think it was more than worth the $800 but hey thats just my opinion

Just the collector's value of that cab makes it worth the price, but you could certainly build another cab with that sound.

[theguy77]

any reason why i should prefer a slant cab or is a straight cab just as good for recording purposes? whats the difference in tones?

[theguy77]

oh and what about 2x12s?