View Full Version : Your ideal society
loveisdead
11/17/08, 07:19 PM
Thought this might be interesting. If you could live in your own perfect society, what elements would it include? Socially, economically and whose ideas might you borrow from? How would you fund certain things, and which parts of your society would be your priority?
For me, everyone would be able to marry, regardless of being straight or gay. I'd have a ton of laws preventing discrimination of any group. A lot of what I would do comes straight from Marx, as I think he has the best ideas for a lasting society.
apoemtothedead
11/17/08, 07:25 PM
Socialism is pretty cool.
Matthew Tsai
11/17/08, 07:30 PM
obviously ideally communism's the best. near impossible on this earth though
loveisdead
11/17/08, 07:36 PM
Basically any society where everyone is hard working and intelligent. The reason societies fail is because they are populated by lazy idiots not because capitalism, communism, anarchism, libertarianism and so on are flawed ideas.
Yeah but there is no way to ensure that everyone will be hardworking and intelligent. So how do you go about that?
calmly haven't
11/17/08, 07:41 PM
No Racism, or obese people. i want to live in a society where there is no such thing as diseases, and everyone has good health lol
loveisdead
11/17/08, 07:45 PM
As I am both I propose we kill off everyone aside from me and a suitable women and repopulate the earth from there.
Haha, so similar to Hitler?
loveisdead
11/17/08, 07:46 PM
No Racism, or obese people. i want to live in a society where there is no such thing as diseases, and everyone has good health lol
It can't be done. How are you going to regulate that? A war on racism is as fruitless as the war on drugs or terror.
loveisdead
11/17/08, 07:54 PM
Freedom of speech would be an absolute must. I wouldn't regulate any of the media outlets.
calmly haven't
11/17/08, 08:21 PM
yeah but still.. i just wish it could be llike that. damn...
QuikTrig
11/17/08, 08:49 PM
It can't be done. How are you going to regulate that? A war on racism is as fruitless as the war on drugs or terror.
maybe she'd introduce the "anti-discrimination" laws that you discussed seven posts earlier?
It can't be done. How are you going to regulate that? A war on racism is as fruitless as the war on drugs or terror.
But we've already won the war on drugs, and are about to win the war on terror. So how can you say it's fruitless?
loveisdead
11/17/08, 09:10 PM
But we've already won the war on drugs, and are about to win the war on terror. So how can you say it's fruitless?
Haha, i hope to god you're kidding.
Haha, i hope to god you're kidding.
Typical of you liberals to be anti-American.
loveisdead
11/17/08, 09:38 PM
Religion is tricky to play with. I'd allow people to have whatever religion they choose and to congregate in any way they choose but put restrictions on what the religious bodies can/can't do within the society.
One that wouldn't cancel Arrested Development.
My ideal society : a desert island, with me on it. Unfortunately, that society ends with suicide rather rapidly.
My ideal society : a desert island, with me on it. Unfortunately, that society ends with suicide rather rapidly.
I'd totally be all for that.
I'd totally be all for that.
Did you just tell me to kill myself?
And I had so much to live for... I mean, not really.
QuikTrig
11/18/08, 12:04 AM
Religion is tricky to play with. I'd allow people to have whatever religion they choose and to congregate in any way they choose but put restrictions on what the religious bodies can/can't do within the society.
example?
lew_1987
11/18/08, 02:46 AM
It would be less environmentally lazy/apathetic.
And less dipshits would sprout from a tampered truth of the way things work and what things are.
&IllBeTheReason
11/18/08, 05:44 AM
Not remotely realistic, but:
People running for office would not be allowed to mention religion. The only law regarding religion would promise the complete freedom of it and that would be final. College education would be free and funded by government running oil, energy, and banks. Thousands of public works programs. Complete freedom of speech and some sort of law that could keep the white house honest. Harsh punishment for the creepers of the world and repeat offenders. We'd have the money to help neighboring countries fix their economy so that we wouldn't worry about them migrating here, but if they did we wouldn't kick them out but help them become useful members of society. War should only start if the country unanimously agrees it is necessary.
Meh, it's practically impossible but I'd love to live in a place like that.
EasySkankin
11/18/08, 12:10 PM
State owns everything, but everyone within the state has a vote and say on any legislation to be enacted. There is no figurehead that has control in domestic policies, but perhaps a few important people to represent the state to other countries. The point is to create a true democracy. The massive amount of people involved in government would be supported by a protected electronic system to take their votes and testimonies smoothly and quickly.
Not many people would have to work, because by the time the state is formed technology will replace humans as workers and be much more efficient in it.
Economic classes are eliminated by regulating the income of everyone to fit their needs, and sparingly to their wants.
For anyone to intake any substances is legal, which would include any drugs that are illegal now. People are allowed to do anything that doesn't directly harm fellow citizens. Anyone violating a crime would be put through rehabilitation courses, instead of punishing them with confinement(unless the crime is violent, then the criminal would be restrained), which would include required education courses.
No army, but every person who goes through school takes a required minimum of military courses. Citizen militia can act as policemen after being certified by gov't.
those are just a few specifics I can think of at the top of my head.
P.S. music is free
Machu505
11/18/08, 01:12 PM
Chemical castration for sex offenders.
Lueda Alia
11/18/08, 01:19 PM
I would definitely have to go with John Rawls' ideas regarding society. A just society, that is.
1. Everyone should have equal political rights and duties
2. The only justifiable economic inequalities are those required to make everyone better off by serving as incentives
In other words, everyone should be treated equally in the eyes of the law and economic inequalities and differences are just only if the poor and the disadvantaged are still supported by welfare programs. Such a socialist thought, eh?
myhearturhands
11/18/08, 01:23 PM
legalize weed, not alcohol
that's all i got
Nobody has rights but me. You are all drones chained to my every word.
Any signs of life will be terminated. Cannibalism? Yeah I'd give it a shot.
The supple and sweet, all mine to eat.
Babies are dead. No need for them.
I will be the last of the species. All will be terminated before I break.
Marshmallows, everything is made from marshmallows.
c_rob2700
11/18/08, 01:44 PM
Harrison Burgeron or Farenheit 451 type shit brahs.
thespearkid
11/18/08, 01:53 PM
lol at a thread about our "ideal" society where the OP tells everyone their ideas are impossible.
Adeniz19
11/18/08, 01:54 PM
lol at a thread about our "ideal" society where the OP tells everyone their ideas are impossible.i was thinking the same thing while reading the first page haha
QuikTrig
11/19/08, 01:17 AM
I would definitely have to go with John Rawls' ideas regarding society. A just society, that is.
1. Everyone should have equal political rights and duties
2. The only justifiable economic inequalities are those required to make everyone better off by serving as incentives
In other words, everyone should be treated equally in the eyes of the law and economic inequalities and differences are just only if the poor and the disadvantaged are still supported by welfare programs. Such a socialist thought, eh?
i am currently taking studies in ethics, and literally 99% of our class is dedicated to studying rawlsian theory. just found that interesting.
Broken Parachute
11/19/08, 07:12 AM
I would definitely have to go with John Rawls' ideas regarding society. A just society, that is.
1. Everyone should have equal political rights and duties
2. The only justifiable economic inequalities are those required to make everyone better off by serving as incentives
In other words, everyone should be treated equally in the eyes of the law and economic inequalities and differences are just only if the poor and the disadvantaged are still supported by welfare programs. Such a socialist thought, eh?
i am currently taking studies in ethics, and literally 99% of our class is dedicated to studying rawlsian theory. just found that interesting.I am in my Ethics class right now, and we were just talking about Rawls' ideas, haha.
loveisdead
11/19/08, 08:57 AM
lol at a thread about our "ideal" society where the OP tells everyone their ideas are impossible.
i was thinking the same thing while reading the first page haha
My point was that I want it to be something realistic. I should have mentioned that in the first post, my bad.
MorningWillCome
11/20/08, 06:19 AM
But we've already won the war on drugs, and are about to win the war on terror. So how can you say it's fruitless?
say what?
saysmydoctor
11/20/08, 10:51 AM
Welfare capitalism.
jagermeister
11/20/08, 12:31 PM
lol at a thread about our "ideal" society where the OP tells everyone their ideas are impossible.
Thats why this thread is so awful.
As long as the OP can't ban you there is no need to respect his/her wishes.
Child rape/rape in general is legal and you can use bald eagles as shivs.
ArmedROBery
11/20/08, 01:15 PM
Typical of you liberals to be anti-American.
Shit like this just boils my blood... you misguided imbecile.
Anyways, hmm. If the government, by some act of god, was effiecent and incorruptible and resources were abundant, I'd say socialism is the way to go.
On a semi-side note, there's a pretty interesting idea I've heard about called the Venus Project. I forget details, but one thing that stuck out was the possibility of natural energy (wind, solar, geothermal, tidal). If we harnessed all of those to their maximum potential, we could easily supply enough energy for the whole world population. Crazy.... google that shit (or just watch Zeitgeist).
saysmydoctor
11/20/08, 01:23 PM
But we've already won the war on drugs, and are about to win the war on terror. So how can you say it's fruitless?
You haven't seen the US budget recently.
War on Drugs is a misnomer, which the US uses to cloak its heavy-handed involvement in Central American politics and is the front for its continued 'war against communism.'
shit stroll
11/20/08, 01:26 PM
i think peoples sarcasm detectors are broken.
In all honesty, my perfect society would only involve my own gain.
But if I held some high power on today's world, yeah I'd be one of the good guys. It's just the thought of so much power that makes an Orwell type society so appealing.
say what?
/sarcasm.
Shit like this just boils my blood... you misguided imbecile.
Anyways, hmm. If the government, by some act of god, was effiecent and incorruptible and resources were abundant, I'd say socialism is the way to go.
On a semi-side note, there's a pretty interesting idea I've heard about called the Venus Project. I forget details, but one thing that stuck out was the possibility of natural energy (wind, solar, geothermal, tidal). If we harnessed all of those to their maximum potential, we could easily supply enough energy for the whole world population. Crazy.... google that shit (or just watch Zeitgeist).
Sarcasm you moron.
You haven't seen the US budget recently.
War on Drugs is a misnomer, which the US uses to cloak its heavy-handed involvement in Central American politics and is the front for its continued 'war against communism.'
I would hope people would know when I'm being serious by now and when I'm not. I guess I browse a lot more than post in this forum.
i think peoples sarcasm detectors are broken.
I'm at glad at least one person could tell...
Machu505
11/20/08, 03:08 PM
Bring me the socialism.
It's already brought obama
QuikTrig
11/20/08, 06:36 PM
Crazy.... google that shit (or just watch Zeitgeist).
dont watch zeitgeist. or at least dont buy into it. for the sake of everyone intelligent.
ArmedROBery
11/20/08, 09:02 PM
dont watch zeitgeist. or at least dont buy into it. for the sake of everyone intelligent.
Yeah, I certainly don't buy into everything. It just brings up some interesting stuff.
loveisdead
11/20/08, 10:18 PM
Yeah, I certainly don't buy into everything. It just brings up some interesting stuff.
It does a good job of sparking interest and making you think, but I you can't really take it seriously. Since a few people jumped on me for it, I'm sorry for saying some people's ideal society is impossible, but I think people are taking the question a little out of context. Of course my ideal society would be that everyone is wealthy, there is equal rights for all and every girl has big tits. I want people to give some backing as to how they would go about making these things happen.
saysmydoctor
11/20/08, 10:20 PM
Welfare capitalism is the most ideal.
My proof: Sweden.
Wealth is not a necessity. Comfort is.
/thread
loveisdead
11/20/08, 10:22 PM
Welfare capitalism is the most ideal.
My proof: Sweden.
Wealth is not a necessity. Comfort is.
/thread
I pretty much agree with you. Do you think that would be hard to implement in a society like ours that is so much different in terms of technology and worldview?
Lueda Alia
11/23/08, 10:26 AM
i am currently taking studies in ethics, and literally 99% of our class is dedicated to studying rawlsian theory. just found that interesting.
I am in my Ethics class right now, and we were just talking about Rawls' ideas, haha.
What do you guys think about him?
He's my favourite modern philosopher, so choose your words carefully!
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