Fan Reports In: Long Island TREOS/Emanuel Show [Archive]

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 04:07 PM

Fan Reports In: "I attended the Emanuel (www.thisisemanuel.com)/The Receiving End Of Sirens (www.purevolume.com/thereceivingendofsirens) show in Long Island,NY two nights ago and I must say, Treos was absolutely incredible. Every single note was perfect and it sounded amazing. Their set-list is below. Emanuel unfortunately let me down, not only because they lacked everything Treos had and had to follow them up, but because they looked totally uninterested in playing...kind of boring. The crowd turn out was kind of crappy, but kids really seemed to be won over by Treos. I was impressed, although their set was cut short by the venue. Set list (in the best order I can remember):

-Prologue
-Planning A Prison Break
-This Armistice
-Flee the Factory
-Dead Men Tell No Tales
-Broadcast Quality "

Submitted By GunshotLullaby

Jesse2

04/20/05, 04:17 PM

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 04:19 PM

that setlist looks really short on paper, until you factor in that their songs are 19 minutes long, and all fucking rule.

I hope they play This Armistice at bamboozle and 6 pillion kids sing along. that'd make my day.

NOBODY knew them at the LI show... they couldnt even do the chant part, bc nobody knew the words. I dont think a lot of kids will know them at bamboozle...bc its only like 2 days after their record drops, ya know?

rainraindown

04/20/05, 04:19 PM

yeah i found that with emanuel too, which is such a shame cause the album has so much energy and one of my favorite of the year. hopefully with time they will learn how to rock out more.

Brianfarg

04/20/05, 04:29 PM

Was this the show where there was a huge fight?

JeffPopular

04/20/05, 04:30 PM

logantogovcentr

04/20/05, 04:31 PM

The Gun Stays was really good at that show, and I was singing along to a lot of the TREOS lyrics, too. I thought they were phenominal.

Jesse2

04/20/05, 04:36 PM

NOBODY knew them at the LI show... they couldnt even do the chant part, bc nobody knew the words. I dont think a lot of kids will know them at bamboozle...bc its only like 2 days after their record drops, ya know?

that suuuuucks. i can't imagine how amazing that would sound on the main stage with a huge crowd singing along. maybe next year....

Gabe Borquez

04/20/05, 05:03 PM

emanuel is pretty fresh too...like they haven't been around that long? The record fuckin shreds (of course it will with Machine) but maybe they haven't hit their stride in live shows yet. And for TREOS, everyone really is getting me pumped for the album with all the hype! I have the EP, and it reminds me of As Tall As Lions...only "The Dark Side of the Force" version. Its a good thing.

emanuel has been around for a good long while. the record recorded with machine was recorded almost two years ago now. their live shows are always fucking great and they aren't band that's gonna do stupid whack tricks and go crazy, they are a straight up rock band and do their own thing.

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 05:10 PM

emanuel has been around for a good long while. the record recorded with machine was recorded almost two years ago now. their live shows are always fucking great and they aren't band that's gonna do stupid whack tricks and go crazy, they are a straight up rock band and do their own thing.

Yeah, I respect that, but you have to appeal to kids, whether you go crazy or not.. people should leave the place feeling satisfied. I love the album, and literally couldn't bare watching them... I think a lot of people in the venue felt that way. It was a snooze fest and failed to catch the emotion that's on their disc. To be blunt... it fucking blew and If you're going to follow treos, the very very last thing you want to do is blow. I definetly won't be attending Emanuel's next show in the area.

shane hennessey

04/20/05, 05:19 PM

i thought emanuel was good when i saw them but not amazing. they definatley do not play live like they should

Bury Your Head

04/20/05, 05:19 PM

thats such a bummer! i love their cd and was hoping to see them live, hopefully they were having a bad nite or something. and thats crAZY if they recorded soundtrack to a headrush two years ago, i hope a new record will come out sometime soon then. i hate when hella bands finnish a record and it doesnt come out for days (senses fail for example)

xOMGmyspacex

04/20/05, 05:21 PM

Was this the show where there was a huge fight?

yeah brah. there was a crazy thug vs. emo kid fight. i heard it was ill.

no, actually it was at the red chord/bury your dead show,

GaryCondit

04/20/05, 05:23 PM

yeah brah. there was a crazy thug vs. emo kid fight. i heard it was ill.

no, actually it was at the red chord/bury your dead show,

I love you like a thug kid loves mosh!

xOMGmyspacex

04/20/05, 05:25 PM

I love you like a thug kid loves mosh!

ditto roomie. see you in the pit in the common room.

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 05:26 PM

I mean, not to sound like a prick, but if a band doesnt look interested in playing their songs, how the hell can they expect kids to be interested in them?

quitmyscene

04/20/05, 05:27 PM

they didn't play "this armistice" last night, but they played "the rival cycle" and "the evidence" ..if anyones curious haha

Brianfarg

04/20/05, 05:28 PM

yeah brah. there was a crazy thug vs. emo kid fight. i heard it was ill.

no, actually it was at the red chord/bury your dead show,

I hate fights at shows. It's really a dumb thing.

xOMGmyspacex

04/20/05, 05:30 PM

I hate fights at shows. It's really a dumb thing.

yeah man, its really lame. the whole tougher than thou thing isnt very cool.

GaryCondit

04/20/05, 05:36 PM

yeah man, its really lame. the whole tougher than thou thing isnt very cool.

It's because "the mosh" has become less about dancing or a release and more about showing that you are tougher than someone by flailing your arms and legs in the same mannor as the guy next to you...kids are out for blood and do stupid lame ass shit...especially during Bury Your Dead...fuck tough guys.

Tough guys and shit talk are the reason From A Second Story Window are out of commision for a while and they give hardcore a bad name.

Brianfarg

04/20/05, 05:40 PM

It's because "the mosh" has become less about dancing or a release and more about showing that you are tougher than someone by flailing your arms and legs in the same mannor as the guy next to you...kids are out for blood and do stupid lame ass shit...especially during Bury Your Dead...fuck tough guys.

Tough guys and shit talk are the reason From A Second Story Window are out of commision for a while and they give hardcore a bad name.

I agree. If you want to dance--dance. And if you get hit--you get hit. It should end there.

GaryCondit

04/20/05, 05:42 PM

Brianfarg

04/20/05, 05:47 PM

It used to...I started going to shows back in '97 and back then a little fight was a huge deal and bands would stop playing and walk off stage in protest...bands like SIlent Majority and the Movielife (pre Drive Thru) never used to put up with that shit and now all of a sudden bands are all about taking a hit and being tough guys...fuck that I don't subscribe to that bullshit.

It sucks that I can't say I remember a time like that. I am only sixteen and I never got to experience that. I wish I could have. I do my best to stop fights, but I'm not exactly a force of authority. I broke up one at a show a while back. I just want to see the scene be what I know it can be.

GaryCondit

04/20/05, 05:49 PM

Good luck getting that to happen on LI...as long as the whole sing-scream-mosh thing is popular it won't happen. The scene goes with ttends...first ska, then punk, then emo and now metalcore...its the way shit is.

Brianfarg

04/20/05, 05:51 PM

Chemical Love

04/20/05, 06:14 PM

i saw emanuel the other night and they were awesome.

CrySonic

04/20/05, 06:42 PM

emanuel hurts my feelings when they tell me to "get the fuck out."

guthriePC

04/20/05, 06:49 PM

This Is The Last Night In My Body, Yeahhhhhhh

seancoia

04/20/05, 06:55 PM

Mannn, I just bought my ticket for the next time Emanuel is in town. The other bands are still really good. Also I saw TREOS at this club called Hamilton Street not too long ago. They were amazing, and I bought a shirt before there set and their singer(one of them) shook my hand and thanked me for knowing them. He also told me to get a good spot for their set. It was just cool to see someone go out of their way cuz most bands dont.

JIMMYateEARTH

04/20/05, 06:58 PM

I love these Bands and still look forward to seeing Emanuel perfrom with Say Anything

as for the fighting thing I think it is about the stupidest thing you can do, I am a big fella and do my best to break them up or atleast keep those NOT involved from getting hurt. I like to look out for those I can.

weworemasks

04/20/05, 07:07 PM

I mean, not to sound like a prick, but if a band doesnt look interested in playing their songs, how the hell can they expect kids to be interested in them?

ive noticed that bands get discouraged when they are playing to brick walls too. i just saw GAD/rufio etc, and im sure every band hated the crowd, since they were fucking statues. me and a couple of friends jammed out to GAD though.

ThriftWhore

04/20/05, 07:11 PM

Firstly, if you're going to dance, practice how to do it or else you, or someone will get hurt. People who know how to dance may hit kids with their fists sometimes, but they know what they are doing as opposed to 6'1, 120 pound kids kicking and punching the air. That was the whole pit for any band, except The Gun Stays. That's when kids end up with their noses broken, and thick black frames shattered.

Next, Dancing isn't even dancing anymore the way people take it. LI is full of fights, that's why the downtown is the last GOOD venue on Long Island. We've lost a lot of great venues and that leaves us with having to take a train to the city, with fares going up by the day, to see the same show we could see within a 15 minute drive.

The show was awesome, there weren't any dicks here. I thought Emanuel was tight, but they did look disinterested, I guess it was the low turn out. They're probably used to larger crowds on the Senses Fail tour. TREOS had the biggest crowd, I think. And they stole the show. Awesome guys too, got two free stickers for yelling "yankees suck", haha.

Anthc413

04/20/05, 07:13 PM

I cant believe i had to miss this show....TREOS album is gonna be album of the year.....from what i have listened to it is absolutely incredible and i cannot wait til bamboozle.....a little upset and excited that not many knew them at the downtown....at least i know ill make the venue at the bamboozle without a problem

CourtesyRock

04/20/05, 07:21 PM

saw em last night in providence... its close to boston so TREOS had a huge showing... but most people were there for senses fail which i found very surprising considering treos destryoys them in all terms of talent... every guy in that band sings its ridiculous... the production on the record doesnt even come close to doing them justice thats how amazing they are live.

FrancesdaMute

04/20/05, 07:29 PM

treos in philly before circa survive? oh yes, and like lions opening. life will be good this sunday. very good.
im getting excited just thinking about the armistice chant.

oh yeah, does anyone have any tabs to treos...i think i have the intro to war of all against all down. not casey's tapping part, but the other 2. key word, think. its similar to coheed's delerium trigger in parts....rambling and this was random, so watch my scene points drop drop drop...

PerfectMess

04/20/05, 07:51 PM

Based on what everyones been saying, and on how amazing the new cd is, I can't freakin wait to see TREOS live. Thank god for Flipside...

AshesAshes

04/20/05, 08:00 PM

may 8th can not be any sooner..

Lemieux66

04/20/05, 08:16 PM

Yeah, I respect that, but you have to appeal to kids, whether you go crazy or not..

Or you could, you know, play the music how you want to and fuck appealing to anyone in particular. I found their live show a week or so ago very appealing without a lot of the bullshit that other bands do on stage.

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 08:18 PM

Or you could, you know, play the music how you want to and fuck appealing to anyone in particular.

Haha, if that was the case, record labels owuldn't exist. Neitehr would music videos, photographers, magazines, cover artwork...fuck, even this website. Appealing to people IS THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. If you think otherwise, you're living in a dream world.

Aileen

04/20/05, 08:20 PM

a) yes, treos is an incredible band both live and recorded. nice boys too.

b) emanuel has been on tour forever, so cut them a break they're probably getting tired of constantly being on the road day after day, crowd after crowd. besides, all you jerkoffs downloaded their album when it leaked six months before its release date, and to not have kids singing back your lyrics and getting into your music when they've had it for this long - for free, much less? it probably isn't the most encouraging feeling in the world.

splatoutofluck

04/20/05, 08:21 PM

fuck, they need to come to seattle. man a gatsbys and treos show would probably be one of the coolest things to ever happen.

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 08:22 PM

Lemieux66

04/20/05, 08:35 PM

Haha, if that was the case, record labels owuldn't exist. Neitehr would music videos, photographers, magazines, cover artwork...fuck, even this website. Appealing to people IS THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. If you think otherwise, you're living in a dream world.

Go see a band called Isis. They're incredible, selling out their tours, their vinyl, and making some of the best music today. They dont address the crowd once, they get up there and make it happen.

I go to shows for the music. I'm sorry for voicing that opinion.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more you miss the point. Obviously the industry is about appealing to people. Hell, any entertainment industry is. My perspective has nothing to do with the industry, but is a utopian perspective in which good MUSIC is what does well, not an image. Bands can use everything you mention to produce their product how THEY want to. If people like it, great, as long as band themselves is happy with their performance. A band doesnt have to cater to what you or anyone else wants or expects from them, they can stick by their music, their show, their art. The wonderful thing about this is that you, as a consumer, have the power to NOT spend your money on shows, CDs, merch, of bands that don't appeal to you. If you forget this, maybe you should take a step back from the scene/industry and spend a little less time on the guest list.

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 08:39 PM

Go see a band called Isis. They're incredible, selling out their tours, their vinyl, and making some of the best music today. They dont address the crowd once, they get up there and make it happen.

I go to shows for the music. I'm sorry for voicing that opinion.

Naa, I respect your opinion wholeheartedly. But why go to the shows then? Why not sit home, save money, and listen to the cd if it's all about the "music"?

Lemieux66

04/20/05, 08:44 PM

Naa, I respect your opinion wholeheartedly. But why go to the shows then? Why not sit home, save money, and listen to the cd if it's all about the "music"?

Looks like I missed your post. I edited above, so please read that.

I go to shows because there are bands that appeal to me. I happen to really like live songs that are different versions than the CD version. Very rarely does a band play a song EXACTLY like it is on CD, so it's like hearing a new version. Also, if they do play it exactly the same as it is on the CD, it's much louder than I can get it at home which is a cool experience.

Oh, and because I like to support the band? Because I feel as though that whatever small percentage of my ticket the band gets is valuable? *shrug*

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 08:48 PM

Looks like I missed your post. I edited above, so please read that.

I go to shows because there are bands that appeal to me. I happen to really like live songs that are different versions than the CD version. Very rarely does a band play a song EXACTLY like it is on CD, so it's like hearing a new version. Also, if they do play it exactly the same as it is on the CD, it's much louder than I can get it at home which is a cool experience.

Oh, and because I like to support the band? Because I feel as though that whatever small percentage of my ticket the band gets is valuable? *shrug*

I understand your point, but my point with Emanuel is not that they should fake it, or act energetic to appeal to people. It's that they should be interested and into their own songs enough to naturally get into the music, ya know? I'd rather have them stand there like statues then fake a stage presence, I'm so not about that. It's just, they seemed completely bored and uninterested in even being on stage, and to me, it's hard to be interested in a band that really has no interest in themselves. I'm not saying they should fucking slay each other with instruments and run around like coked out behemoth's, but I like seeing natural passion and emotion in a performance, not just going through the motions.

Lemieux66

04/20/05, 08:56 PM

I understand your point, but my point with Emanuel is not that they should fake it, or act energetic to appeal to people. It's that they should be interested and into their own songs enough to naturally get into the music, ya know? I'd rather have them stand there like statues then fake a stage presence, I'm so not about that. It's just, they seemed completely bored and uninterested in even being on stage, and to me, it's hard to be interested in a band that really has no interest in themselves. I'm not saying they should fucking slay each other with instruments and run around like coked out behemoth's, but I like seeing passion and emotion in a performance, not just going through the motions.

I understand what you're saying, definately. I just didnt read it like that. And I personally am of the opinion that a major problem with the scene is that a band can sound awful live and still be viewed as "good" or even "great" just because their singer swings the mic and hangs from the rafters. (Not trying to call out TBS, just an example) I think a band can show that they're interested in their own songs by playing them really well. If they didnt play well on top of their lackluster performance, then definately that sucks. From the fan who submitted I just didnt hear anything about their sound, just that particlar aspect of their show. I guess the bottom line is that stage presence/performance/theatrics/whatever you want to call it is a component of every persons evaluation of a live band, it's just what weight that aspect has that's a variable between different people. For me it probably has a lower value than you, and that's cool.

Also, thanks for having a civilized discussion on these forums. It seems pretty rare.

Frank Giaramita

04/20/05, 09:22 PM

I understand what you're saying, definately. I just didnt read it like that. And I personally am of the opinion that a major problem with the scene is that a band can sound awful live and still be viewed as "good" or even "great" just because their singer swings the mic and hangs from the rafters. (Not trying to call out TBS, just an example) I think a band can show that they're interested in their own songs by playing them really well. If they didnt play well on top of their lackluster performance, then definately that sucks. From the fan who submitted I just didnt hear anything about their sound, just that particlar aspect of their show. I guess the bottom line is that stage presence/performance/theatrics/whatever you want to call it is a component of every persons evaluation of a live band, it's just what weight that aspect has that's a variable between different people. For me it probably has a lower value than you, and that's cool.

Also, thanks for having a civilized discussion on these forums. It seems pretty rare.

Haha, Well, I can actually respect other people's opinions, a lot of kids on here can't. But yes, I agree with you, playing the songs solid comes first, before anything. I remember seeing Underoath at last years Warped Tour, they put on a great SHOW, but I couldn't bare to be in the area because the guitarist was playing his guitar like a drum set. It sounded absolutely awful, to the point where I held my ears for almost all of their set. I'm not into them to begin with, but I can't take a band who only gives a fuck about throwing themselves around like morons while forgetting that they're actually supposed to be playing songs. It's a waste of fans' money.

jkbyerly

04/20/05, 09:26 PM

I've known the guys in Emanuel for awhile, though I'm not super close with them or anything, and there were probably a couple reasons they didn't have a great show the other night.

1. I think that was their first (maybe second) show after playing their hometown, so the crowd probably sucked in comparison. Playing Louisville, they had a blast and there were tons of kids there really getting into it. To go from a show where everybody in the crowd knows every single lyric to your song and then play a venue where a lot of the kids may have never even heard of you has got to be tough.

2. I've heard through the grapevine, and it could just be nonsense, that Emanuel is kinda down right now. They thought they were getting their big break and they were psyched and played a ton of amazing shows last year. Then their album came out and its sales were nowhere near what they were expecting. So if you downloaded their album and didn't buy it later, you're probably somewhat responsible for any lackluster performances they give. But I'll also admit that, if anything, they should be playing even better now if they want to win more fans over and get the support they need.

3. It's got to be hard for them to stay interested in those songs, because many of them are VERY old. The Hey Man, Stay Tonight, and Soundtrack to a Headrush were first recorded in 2002! And other than The Hotline, The Willing, and Dislocated, they've been playing all the other songs live since 2003.

Anyway, I don't mean to defend them, but I personally feel kinda sorry for them because they've been working their asses off for years and when their album finally came out, nobody bought it because it had been leaked for so long.

Aileen

04/20/05, 10:17 PM

yeah, that.

frank- i'm gonna stop posting in emanuel threads now.
as if that wasn't the biggest shocker in the world.

xsavesthelinex

04/20/05, 10:42 PM

LTJ182

04/21/05, 07:47 AM

go see simple plan...

and i heard the best band on the show was Hit the Lights...added three days before

Bury Your Head

04/21/05, 08:47 AM

to the person who says these guys slay Senses fail in every way ....i disagree. Yea they have more complicated guitar parts and maybe sound less predictable and what not, but it's just a matter of what you look for in a band...to me SF's songs, while quite simple, have amaizing melodies, alot of cool musical arrangements, and alot of raw emotion...but to each their own...I just felt like sticking up for senses fail, cuz no one here ever really does.

if i could id hug you brother hahah or sister? cause everyone bashes SF and i love them, yeah i agree alot of parts arent likeomg thats amazing in their songs like riffs saosin has or other sutff by emmanuel but its their stage presence that keeps me going to their shows. i DO like their lyrics *prepared to be bashes and shunned* even tho most ppl say they are the worst songwriters ever... yeah um canu say simple plan? and their crazy on stage, well buddy is the craziest one time he was hanging upside down on a huge pole at slims in the bay area and it was awesome and one time i was singing onstage with him on rum is for drinking not for burning. it was AWESOME