Fall Out Boy Review #3

[Frank Giaramita]

Here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/reviews/showproduct.php?product=723) is my review of the new Fall Out Boy (www.falloutboyrock.com) album, From Under The Cork Tree.

Note: This is my blunt and honest opinion on the album. I'm entitled to one and If you can't handle that, don't bother reading it.

[irthesteve]

now that just wasnt very well written...

[Frank Giaramita]

now that just wasnt very well written...

I'm not looking to display writing skills or knowledge... if I was, I'd hang out in the english forums. I was looking to express an opinion, I feel I did that.

[hXc_pwnage]

The majority of the album sounds nothing like Take This To Your Grave.

[Frank Giaramita]

The majority of the album sounds nothing like Take This To Your Grave.

Hence why I said "This review is MY OPINION".. not once, but twice. People perceive sounds in different ways. I think this album is the "To Be Continued" of TTTYG and I need maturity in an album... or else I get sick of it EXTREMELY fast.

[Jared Kaufman]

The majority of the album sounds nothing like Take This To Your Grave.
I agree. I'm not sure, but I might even like it better than "TTTYG."

[LPMagic]

How does it feel to be different? I've been trying for years, but man, this is the most honest attempt I've ever seen.

Just kidding. ;)

- Jeff

[Scott Weber]

i declare this national "have an opinion on fall out boy" day

[OveriseFan]

i declare this national "have an opinion on fall out boy" day

damn, you "stole" my joke and delivered it better.

oh well, in my opinion I heard the 7 song sampler, and I just wasn't impressed. None of them stood out as even remotely good except Sugar and that was... eh, and Nobody puts baby in the corner has a fairly nice chorus but whatever. I don't like this at all.

[djUbilla]

I'm kinda disappointed I haven't seen/heard anymore news on the new Kevin Devine album.

[alifetmeaway]

how could you say that "The Starting Line's "Based On A True Story" is a perfect example of growth and maturity", when all they sing about is sex. I understand that you have your own opinion.

[I Miss Weezer]

I'm kinda disappointed I haven't seen/heard anymore news on the new Kevin Devine album.

I'm interviewing him sometime in the near future, is their anything you'd like me to ask him?
- Tim

[coandca33]

Note: This is my blunt and honest opinion on the album. I'm entitled to one and If you can't handle that, don't bother reading it.

it is sad that you have to attach that with bad reviews, but it is probably because everything on this site is so positive that the backlash of a bad review (of a band that normally wouldn't get bashed here) is inevitable.

[FourStarters]

how could you say that "The Starting Line's "Based On A True Story" is a perfect example of growth and maturity", when all they sing about is sex. I understand that you have your own opinion.
I think there's effectively ONE song on the album about sex, and it's probably the worst on the album to begin with.

Frank makes me all warm and tingly inside.

[Scott Weber]

how could you say that "The Starting Line's "Based On A True Story" is a perfect example of growth and maturity", when all they sing about is sex. I understand that you have your own opinion.
that's one song. not "all they sing about" - that's like saying all fall out boy sings about is "liars".

[Jared Kaufman]

how could you say that "The Starting Line's "Based On A True Story" is a perfect example of growth and maturity", when all they sing about is sex. I understand that you have your own opinion.
Haha. Have you listened to the whole album or just one song?

[Frank Giaramita]

how could you say that "The Starting Line's "Based On A True Story" is a perfect example of growth and maturity", when all they sing about is sex. I understand that you have your own opinion.

ALL they sing about is sex? Shit, I didn't know "Bedroom Talk" was the only song on the final version of the album.... :headshake . To me, lyrics are last thing that decide if a band has matured or not. Melodies, instrumentals and vocals are the three main things that determine that for me... than lyrics.

[IcedOpethBlind]

how could you say that "The Starting Line's "Based On A True Story" is a perfect example of growth and maturity", when all they sing about is sex. I understand that you have your own opinion.

yea. i know what you mean. especially "bedroom talk". lyrics arent exactly very mature imho. :\

[Manbotisdead]

I liked the review, it struck me as accurate.

[Jared Kaufman]

damn, you "stole" my joke and delivered it better.

oh well, in my opinion I heard the 7 song sampler, and I just wasn't impressed. None of them stood out as even remotely good except Sugar and that was... eh, and Nobody puts baby in the corner has a fairly nice chorus but whatever. I don't like this at all.
Not to be a dick, but I just think that's funny coming from an Overise fan. I, personally, feel FOB is far more creative, unique and talented. Just my opinion, though.

[ShoeSh1ne]

For a band that got most of it's attention from this website, it's refreshing to see some staff members state they don't like this album. Although I have liked what I hear so far, and will buy it Tues, it just good to see an album where every staff member isn't making love to it. Ex: Over It.

[Spicoli hey bud]

I slept with Someone and XO are great, the rest of the album is pretty good as well..
but I'm going to have to say that Take this To Your Grave was a little better.

[I Miss Weezer]

To me, lyrics are last thing that decide if a band has matured or not. Melodies, instrumentals and vocals are the three main thigns that determine that for me... than lyrics.

I agree. I don't know much about music theory, but I want to learn.How do you judge vocals though? Like do they still have a nasal tone? Or a clearer production progression like Ben Gibbard has had over the years?

[Frank Giaramita]

it is sad that you have to attach that with bad reviews, but it is probably because everything on this site is so positive that the backlash of a bad review (of a band that normally wouldn't get bashed here) is inevitable.

Yeah, I know a lot of people disagree with me and a lot of people tend to not respect other people's feelings around here... so I felt the need to put that in the post. I mean, I think Pete is extremely awesome and he was super super nice the times I've talked to him on AIM. I totally respect them as musicians and what they do, and I also respect anyone who digs the album but personally, I think it's horrible, and I felt the need to voice my opinion on the matter. To each their own though...

[FourStarters]

Can we all agree on one thing?

Fall Out Boy are talented guys, and this album could have been so much more.

[Jared Kaufman]

ALL they sing about is sex? Shit, I didn't know "Bedroom Talk" was the only song on the final version of the album.... :headshake . To me, lyrics are last thing that decide if a band has matured or not. Melodies, instrumentals and vocals are the three main things that determine that for me... than lyrics.
I agree with all that, but I feel lyrics are equally as important. I can't say one of those things is more important than the other. I think they all have to come together. However, "Bedroom Talk" is the only song I think lacks something in regards to lyrics. If the lyrics on the album were similar to those of some random band you'd find on pureVOLUME made up of 15 year olds that listen to only Hawthorne Heights, then I'm sure you'd have less to say about their "growth and maturity." Anyway, I think the rest of the album is much better than Say It Like You Mean It. Kenny's voice has improved dramatically and the structure of the songs are far more mature and professional.

[hXc_pwnage]

i declare this national "have an opinion on fall out boy" day
Hahahahahhaa.

Hence why I said "This review is MY OPINION".. not once, but twice. People perceive sounds in different ways. I think this album is the "To Be Continued" of TTTYG and I need maturity in an album... or else I get sick of it EXTREMELY fast.
Calm down.

God damn.

[Frank Giaramita]

I agree with all that, but I feel lyrics are equally as important. I can't say one of those things is more important than the other. I think they all have to come together. However, "Bedroom Talk" is the only song I think lacks something in regards to lyrics. If the lyrics on the album were similar to those of some random band you'd find on pureVOLUME made up of 15 year olds that listen to only Hawthorne Heights, then I'm sure you'd have less to say about their "growth and maturity." Anyway, I think the rest of the album is much better than Say It Like You Mean It. Kenny's voice has improved dramatically and the structure of the songs are far more mature and professional.

I think lyrics are important, but not nearly as important as the other issues I stated earlier. I mean, look at band's like Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses etc. all have horrendous lyrics ( in my opinion) yet they've been on top for decades. I just think it's MUCH MUCH easier for me to look past lyrics then melody, vocal tone, production, song structure etc. That might just be me though.

[Jared Kaufman]

For a band that got most of it's attention from this website, it's refreshing to see some staff members state they don't like this album. Although I have liked what I hear so far, and will buy it Tues, it just good to see an album where every staff member isn't making love to it. Ex: Over It.
I hardly hear anyone besides March hype that Over It record actually.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

I think it's awesome that you're willing to be so frank and blunt about your opinion on this site, Frank, finally a little diversity.


ps
i heard some rumors about a breakup or at least a member or two leaving, uh oh! was i supposed to say that? oops. don't care.

[Jared Kaufman]

I think lyrics are important, but not nearly as important as the other issues I stated earlier. I mean, look at band's like Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses etc. all have horrendous lyrics ( in my opinion) yet they've been on top for decades. I just think it's MUCH MUCH easier for me to look past lyrics then melody, vocal tone, production, song structure etc. That might just be me though.
I suppose that makes sense. I guess my opinion just differs because I'm so into lyrics and they're very important to me personally. For example, Say Anything was definitely the most innovative album last year in my opinion, but I could relate far more to Jimmy Eat World's record, hence the reason it was my favorite album of the year. I guess I could say the same this year with Acceptance and Gatsby's American Dream for example. GAD, I think, is insanely unique and creative, but Acceptance just has so much that I can relate to and it pulls me even more into the music.

[OveriseFan]

Not to be a dick, but I just think that's funny coming from an Overise fan. I, personally, feel FOB is far more creative, unique and talented. Just my opinion, though.

First off, I realize Overise aren't the most original band ever, but when I first needed a name that's what I chose, I shouldn't of cause now everyone uses that on me, ask me what else I listen to, though I'll probably never finish.

In all honesty, MOST pop-punk is just getting old and tired, someone, some band, needs to re-invent it, because it's truly hard for me to listen to a pop-punk ALBUM all the way through and not get bored...

Bands also should realize that I don't wanna listen to 50 - 60 minute long records unless they're epics(i.e. TREOS, Mars Volta[which I actually haven't heard yet])

[Frank Giaramita]

Calm down.

God damn.

Did I come off un-calm? Sorry, not my intentions. I have a habit of capitalizing words that I'd normalize emphasize when speaking in real life.

[projectmayhem16]

my prediction for the next FOB album is slander of ap.net in a song title, j/k folks

[Jared Kaufman]

First off, I realize Overise aren't the most original band ever, but when I first needed a name that's what I chose, I shouldn't of cause now everyone uses that on me, ask me what else I listen to, though I'll probably never finish.

In all honesty, MOST pop-punk is just getting old and tired, someone, some band, needs to re-invent it, because it's truly hard for me to listen to a pop-punk ALBUM all the way through and not get bored...

Bands also should realize that I don't wanna listen to 50 - 60 minute long records unless they're epics(i.e. TREOS, Mars Volta[which I actually haven't heard yet])
I respect that. I guess we just differ because I think this record is fresh and I can listen to it from start to finish sans one track. Nothing about this record bores me. I just have to be in the mood for this kind of music. I think you'll be impressed with new Cartel btw if that's what you're looking for in this genre.

[Spicoli hey bud]

I think lyrics are important, but not nearly as important as the other issues I stated earlier. I mean, look at band's like Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses etc. all have horrendous lyrics ( in my opinion) yet they've been on top for decades. I just think it's MUCH MUCH easier for me to look past lyrics then melody, vocal tone, production, song structure etc. That might just be me though.
I've always thought of it this way...
The sound of music is always what you are attracted to first. Lyrics simply make the song better, depending on how good they are. The only way lyrics can hurt a song is if they are ridiculously bad.

[Jared Kaufman]

I think it's awesome that you're willing to be so frank and blunt about your opinion on this site, Frank, finally a little diversity.


ps
i heard some rumors about a breakup or at least a member or two leaving, uh oh! was i supposed to say that? oops. don't care.
I saw them and hung out with them for a bit last night and everything seemed chill, but hey, what do I know? :shrugs:

[Kiss Of Octopus]

I saw them and hung out with them for a bit last night and everything seemed chill, but hey, what do I know? :shrugs:
hmmm, i do believe it had a little sum-something to do with their drummer getting sick of the whole "joke band" and wanting to get back to hardcore.

[OveriseFan]

I respect that. I guess we just differ because I think this record is fresh and I can listen to it from start to finish sans one track. Nothing about this record bores me. I just have to be in the mood for this kind of music. I think you'll be impressed with new Cartel btw if that's what you're looking for in this genre.

Indeed I will be, I love cartel, they're exactly what I need.

Perfect pop-punk, like old Spitalfield kinda... just not really haha.

and I respect your opinion as well, I guess I just don't like the new direction...

hmmm, i do believe it had a little sum-something to do with their drummer getting sick of the whole "joke band" and wanting to get back to hardcore.

haha. it would be funny if the drummer and pete went and formed a new hardcore band...

[Frank Giaramita]

About lyrics... Like Jared said, they play a HUGE HUGE roll for me. But I don't tihnk they're even a factor in deciding the "maturity" of a band's sound, unless of course they're ridiculously ridiculous. ("Bedroom Talk" almost crosses that line, but it's only one song).

[AndThinkOfTexas]

I have never been a fan of Fall Out Boy's music, or them personally. Just like Frank, I have no problem with Pop Punk, but FOB is, in my opinion, not the type of band I feel should be respected in such an overwhelmingly talented scene.

As Frank mentioned, Fall Out Boy doesn't seem to have mattured musicly, let alone lyrically. The Starting Line, on the other hand, have proven that they have. Matturity is something expected from an artist and their music over time, even if that band is Blink 182. However, Fall Out Boy hasn't grown past the point of getting out of my 13 yr olds sister's bedroom, so until they do... I will continue to not be a fan. There are way too many bands and musicians out there with talent for me to devote any of my attention, or love, or support, and especially my money to a band like Fall Out Boy.

And how they've gotten over 3 million plays on PV, I'll never understand.

Great post, Frank.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

haha. it would be funny if the drummer and pete went and formed a new hardcore band...
yeah it sure would be, cause last time I checked... hardcore kids don't have much respect for bands like fall out boy.

[saintjoel]

my prediction for the next FOB album is slander of ap.net in a song title, j/k folks

dude thats totally gonna happen tho.

BEDROOM TALK IS A TERRIBLE SONG ...i dont really know what that has to do with anything, i just hate it so much

[Trainsaw]

YES!!! finally someone not kissing this 2nd rate band's ass

[Jared Kaufman]

YES!!! finally someone not kissing this 2nd rate band's ass
Did you read Ryan and Scott's review? I think that was far from kissing the band's ass. Btw, my review wasn't to kiss their ass. :(. I sincerely meant everything I wrote.

[PaperclipAnemia]

godamn. before long wark is going to show up with his review.

[saintjoel]

Did you read Ryan and Scott's review? I think that was far from kissing the band's ass. Btw, my review wasn't to kiss their ass. :(. I sincerely meant everything I wrote.

dude that face makes me feel so bad for you

godamn. before long wark is going to show up with his review.

yeah, i wonder where he was when that gnarly finch thread was goin on

[Jared Kaufman]

dude that face makes me feel so bad for you
Mission accomplished.

[saintjoel]

Mission accomplished.

its just so depressed, its like the cats face in shrek2

[Frank Giaramita]

dude that face makes me feel so bad for you

Yeah, the blinking eyes does it for me.

[Jared Kaufman]

its just so depressed, its like the cats face in shrek2
OMG. I couldn't resist the urge to go "Awwww" out loud when I saw that. I'm such a sissy.

[Darren McLeod]

Does this mean that Under The Cork Tree is 2005's "Where You Want To Be"? People shall be forced to hide in caves to listen to it and they MUST keep positive comments about it to themselves, unless they wish to be stoned and flogged in public.

[The Gray Ghost]

I like From Under The Cork Tree, and I could care less if it's given negative reviews by anyone. At the end of the day it's just someone's opinion and if you can't deal with that then that sucks for you.

[Jared Kaufman]

Does this mean that Under The Cork Tree is 2005's "Where You Want To Be"? People shall be forced to hide in caves to listen to it and they MUST keep positive comments about it to themselves, unless they wish to be stoned and flogged in public.
I don't see why people have a problem with other people being honest with their opinions or why they find a need to keep their opinions which may differ from the majority to themselves. For example, I have no problem in saying that I like Where You Want To Be. I don't love it and it's definitely not as good as Tell All Your Friends, but there's definitely some tracks on there I really enjoy and still listen to. There are also some I can't stand and totally skip; unlike the first album. I have no problem being honest and admitting that I really like this new FOB record and to me it could possibly be better than Take This To Your Grave. I just need more time and listens. So far, though, I'm really into it. I guess people will never realize opinions are subjective and vary from person to person.

[steve-0]

i dont understand why everyone talks about the new TSL album like its some monumental leap for them. Basically they got rid of their catchy choruses and replaced them with attempts at more complex song structures. it didnt work in my opinion

As for the FOB album, I dont think its great either, but this is the 2nd review where someone has compared FOB's musical growth to TSL's and I think its kind of silly.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

Does this mean that Under The Cork Tree is 2005's "Where You Want To Be"? People shall be forced to hide in caves to listen to it and they MUST keep positive comments about it to themselves, unless they wish to be stoned and flogged in public.
yes.

my god, "where you want to be" was a let down. "tell all your friends" like defined eighth grade.


haha, 8th grade. i was a stonerrr. :FIREdevil :pimp: :git: :strongbad




sorry that was the first time i ever looked through the smilies

[King Caesar]

haven't heard from under the cork tree yet
but hear it i will
and have an opinion i shall

[tommyhaych]

i dont understand why everyone talks about the new TSL album like its some monumental leap for them. Basically they got rid of their catchy choruses and replaced them with attempts at more complex song structures. it didnt work in my opinion



I totally disagree with that, I had the pleasure of listening to it on PureVolume just earlier and I think they've just hit the nail between the eyes with the growth of their sound.

I'm not even gonna attempt to listen to this new FOB album, TTTYG bored me after 3 or 4 tracks. Only good thing about the new album is 'Nobody Puts Baby In The Corner', I loved that song when I first heard it in acoustic form, now it's refreshing to hear it in.. erm... non-acoustic form.

:all:

yes.




haha, 8th grade. i was a stonerrr. :FIREdevil :pimp: :git: :strongbad




sorry that was the first time i ever looked through the smilies

It was worth it to bring the king of StrongBadia out though.

[Jared Kaufman]

haven't heard from under the cork tree yet
but hear it i will
and have an opinion i shall
Thanks, Yoda.

[Darren McLeod]

I don't see why people have a problem with other people being honest with their opinions or why they find a need to keep their opinions which may differ from the majority to themselves. For example, I have no problem in saying that I like Where You Want To Be. I don't love it and it's definitely not as good as Tell All Your Friends, but there's definitely some tracks on there I really enjoy and still listen to. There are also some I can't stand and totally skip; unlike the first album. I have no problem being honest and admitting that I really like this new FOB record and to me it could possibly be better than Take This To Your Grave. I just need more time and listens. So far, though, I'm really into it. I guess people will never realize opinions are subjective and vary from person to person.
I understand that. I'm just saying that when I was here last year and TBS was released, almost everyone joined in the bashing. Barely anyone stood up for it. The same thing will probably happen with this album. I like WYWTB, it was a fun summer album. It wasn't on the same level as their debut, but it still was better than most people made it sound. Same thing with this Fall Out Boy. Even though it's a decent album, a lot of people are going to start saying how much it sucks because this release has been shadowed by a previous release. I'm not referencing Frank or Ryan and Scott's reviews, because their opinions were the first ones out. They let out pure unbiased reviews, and their feelings are going to be regurgitated by everyone on these boards. It seems that whatever the general consensus on something is, that's what everyone has to feel, which is odd.

When someone talks trash about one band, someone else comes in and makes fun of a band in that guy's profile. It's like some weird bizzaro world where opinions don't matter, that you have to fall into the norm or else your scene points could dip below zero.

[splitsecond]

It seems like all anyone does on this site anymore is bash popular bands. Since when did this become Rolling Stone?

[ShoeSh1ne]

I hardly hear anyone besides March hype that Over It record actually.

Are you serious?

[Jared Kaufman]

Are you serious?
Yeah. I think it's ok. I haven't had a chance to listen a lot. I know Tate had them as a featured band and digs the record, but I haven't heard an insane amount of hype from him. I also know Kelsey has made a few posts for them. I'm not saying it's not true, I just don't recall it. If you can show me, then I'd be interested in seeing.

[rbozz]

Using the excuse "this is my blunt and honest opinion" to write a poorly thought out and all around piss poor review is about the biggest most ***giest thing i think i've ever seen on this site. Unfortunately it happens pretty regularly so thats what I get for acting like an alzheimers patiently and constantly reading things here only to be reminded why i normally try not to read them.

congratulations on your inability to write a nice and readable review thats worth the time it takes to read it.

*note* whether you liked the album or not has nothing to do with writing a nicely written review.

[Frank Giaramita]

It seems like all anyone does on this site anymore is bash popular bands. Since when did this become Rolling Stone?

I bash thigns I don't like, if what I don't like happens to be popular, oh fucking well.

[ShoeSh1ne]

I don't have links, you can search the archives and you will find numerous news posts about how it is an awesome record and so on and so on. In my time here, Silverstrand was probably the most hyped album.

[I Miss Weezer]

It seems like all anyone does on this site anymore is bash popular bands. Since when did this become Rolling Stone?

You deserve to be quoted, but I'm not sure about the scene points:sombrero:.

[JunkBondTrader]

maybe this record will mark the end of the reign fall out boy never had....i can only hope....i think this band is fucking horrible, nothing but unoriginal shitty pop punk.....in my opinion they suck obviously......go ahead take away my scene points

[Willsi]

i bought fall out boys album 'take it to your grave' a few months ago and it has been my favourite album since. I have heard some of their new album and i disagree with what you say about it sounding the same. It is just full of amazing songs like the first album.

So dont listen to what has been said about not being worth your money because i can esure you that it is worth every penny (or cent).

i bought fall out boys album 'take it to your grave' a few months ago and it has been my favourite album since. I have heard some of their new album and i disagree with what you say about it sounding the same. It is just full of amazing songs like the first album.

So dont listen to what has been said about not being worth your money because i can esure you that it is worth every penny (or cent).

[EvilButters]

This is funny. I mean I don't remember as many people making as big of a deal when New Found Glory released Catalyst. There wasn't much growth or maturity in that album, but it was still good. I understand that you're just posting a review that states your opinion and I respect the shit out of that. It's just you can't really expect something new and original with every album that comes out nowadays, especially if it's pop punk. If a band that's classified as pop punk releases an album that's catchy, has a good rhythm, and is just fun to listen to, then they've released a pretty damn good album. Every band can't release a mind blowing record. Sometimes it's good to stick a CD in that you don't have to think about and just have fun.

[Frank Giaramita]

Using the excuse "this is my blunt and honest opinion" to write a poorly thought out and all around piss poor review is about the biggest most ***giest thing i think i've ever seen on this site. Unfortunately it happens pretty regularly so thats what I get for acting like an alzheimers patiently and constantly reading things here only to be reminded why i normally try not to read them.

congratulations on your inability to write a nice and readable review thats worth the time it takes to read it.

*note* whether you liked the album or not has nothing to do with writing a nicely written review.
"poorly thought out".. because you're in my head, and you know my thought process and exactly what I did prior to writing the review? Very interesting. I guess you're idea of a "poorly thought out review" is one you don't agree with? Because there really is no other way for you to have any idea how much thought I did or didn't put into it, and that's the only conclusion i can come to. I like how you say... "congratulations on your inability to write a nice and readable review thats worth the time it takes to read it"... yes, you're soooo tight for time that you actually came into the forums to reply. Ironic...very. I always do shit like that when I don't have a lot of time... "Fuck, I just wasted a half hour at the bank and I have other shit to do, but let me go back in there and carry on a lengthy conversation with the accountants because I'm tight for time."--- Makes a lot of sense, moron. I put two fucking disclaimers around that review to keep complete dipshits like yourself from accessing it... I guess you just chose not to read them? Or maybe you like bitching? Who knows.

[Jared Kaufman]

This is funny. I mean I don't remember as many people making as big of a deal when New Found Glory released Catalyst. There wasn't much growth or maturity in that album, but it was still good. I understand that you're just posting a review that states your opinion and I respect the shit out of that. It's just you can't really expect something new and original with every album that comes out nowadays, especially if it's pop punk. If a band that's classified as pop punk releases an album that's catchy, has a good rhythm, and is just fun to listen to, then they've released a pretty damn good album. Every band can't release a mind blowing record. Sometimes it's good to stick a CD in that you don't have to think about and just have fun.
Great point.

"poorly thought out".. because you're in my head, and you know my thought process and exactly what I did prior to writing the review? Very interesting. I like how you say... "congratulations on your inability to write a nice and readable review thats worth the time it takes to read it"... yes, you're soooo tight for time that you actually came into the forums to reply. Ironic...very. I always do shit like that when I don't have a lot of time... "Fuck, I just wasted a half hour at the bank and I have other shit to do, but let me go back in there and carry on a lengthy conversation with the accountants because I'm tight for time."--- Makes a lot of sense moron. I put two fucking disclaimers around that review to keep complete dipshits like yourself from accessing it... I guess you just chose not to read them? Or maybe you like bitching? Who knows.
Even better point.

[Frank Giaramita]

This is funny. I mean I don't remember as many people making as big of a deal when New Found Glory released Catalyst. There wasn't much growth or maturity in that album, but it was still good. I understand that you're just posting a review that states your opinion and I respect the shit out of that. It's just you can't really expect something new and original with every album that comes out nowadays, especially if it's pop punk. If a band that's classified as pop punk releases an album that's catchy, has a good rhythm, and is just fun to listen to, then they've released a pretty damn good album. Every band can't release a mind blowing record. Sometimes it's good to stick a CD in that you don't have to think about and just have fun.

By the time NFG's "Catalyst" came out... i had already given up on the band and really couldn't give a fuck what they released. I'm not asking FOB to release an incredibly ground breaking and revolutionary album. I'm asking them to release a record that isn't the same as the older ones with different artwork and one that doesn't leave me bored after a mere 2 listens. But I totally understand what you're saying, and I totally respect it, bc I love fun albums.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

After I had mentioned that Fall Out Boy hadn't grown out of my little sister's bedroom, 20 mins later... I hear "Our Lawyer Made Us... " blaring from her room.

I told you so, haha.

[Northstar1245]

I think this is fucking bullshit...honestly he's right he did warn you not to read it if you didn't want to hear his opinion...I like the CD, contrary to his opninion,but hes entitled to it and no one should be making this big of a deal out of a review where he criticized the album...it happens no band will ever get ALL good reviews :headshake

[Jared Kaufman]

After I had mentioned that Fall Out Boy hadn't grown out of my little sister's bedroom, 20 mins later... I hear "Our Lawyer Made Us... " blaring from her room.

I told you so, haha.
I'd rather your sister listen to Fall Out Boy then Avril Lavigne or Ashlee Simpson or whatever flavor of the week is ruling the TRL countdown currently.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

I'm not asking FOB to release an incredibly ground breaking and revolutionary album. I'm asking them to release a record that isn't the same as the older ones with different artwork and one that doesn't leave me bored after a mere 2 listens.
Well put.

[supadupa003]

I understand that. I'm just saying that when I was here last year and TBS was released, almost everyone joined in the bashing. Barely anyone stood up for it. The same thing will probably happen with this album. I like WYWTB, it was a fun summer album. It wasn't on the same level as their debut, but it still was better than most people made it sound. Same thing with this Fall Out Boy. Even though it's a decent album, a lot of people are going to start saying how much it sucks because this release has been shadowed by a previous release. I'm not referencing Frank or Ryan and Scott's reviews, because their opinions were the first ones out. They let out pure unbiased reviews, and their feelings are going to be regurgitated by everyone on these boards. It seems that whatever the general consensus on something is, that's what everyone has to feel, which is odd.

When someone talks trash about one band, someone else comes in and makes fun of a band in that guy's profile. It's like some weird bizzaro world where opinions don't matter, that you have to fall into the norm or else your scene points could dip below zero.

Honestly, your point about everyone just bashing on Fall Out Boy's album doesn't really make sense. For the past few months, anytime a new Fall Out Boy song was made available to download or stream, there were hundreds of replies of kids creaming their pants ( ;) ) .Now that other people are sharing their opinion of their dissaproval of this record, you feel backed in the corner and try to say people don't like it because other people don't like it. It's everyones opinion. I do feel that the new TSL album is ten times more refreshing then a rehash of material that could easily be put on TTTYG. If you like Fall Out Boy and their new cd, great for you. Tell everyone how much you like it. The kids that are taking the scene points and being immature are the kids who like Fall Out Boy and feel offended that their 3 million played band is getting ripped on by people who have different tastes in music.

[Frank Giaramita]

Not to be a prick, but if someone wants to tell me "Your review fucking sucks, it's piss poor" atleast give me a REASON WHY YOU THINK THAT. An argument has no foundation unlesss it's justified with reasoning. It would be equivalent to me saying, "Fall Out Boy's new album sucks" as a review. That statement would be absolutely meaningless. That kid above tells me..."your review is piss poor and not thought out"...meanwhile, his opinion on my review is even more piss poor and not thought out.. because he provided NO REASONING. Atleast my review is thought out enough to have have foundation, unlike his review of my review.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

I'd rather your sister listen to Fall Out Boy then Avril Lavigne or Ashlee Simpson or whatever flavor of the week is ruling the TRL countdown currently.
See, that's the thing... my sister does listen to Avril and Ashley, which is why her listening to Fall Out Boy is unsurprising.

[supadupa003]

Not to be a prick, but if someone wants to tell me "Your review fucking sucks, it's piss poor" atleast give me a REASON WHY YOU THINK THAT. An argument has no foundation unlesss it's justified with reasoning. It would be equivalent to me saying, "Fall Out Boy's new album sucks" as a review. That statement would be absolutely meaningless. That kid above tells me..."your review is piss poor and not thought out"...meanwhile, his opinion on my review is even more piss poor and not thought out.. because he provided NO REASONING. Atleast my review is thought out enough to have have foundation, unlike his review of my review.

Your review had nothing wrong with it buddy. People just don't like it when someone can be so harsh to a band they are in love with. They feel like it's the end of the world when its just one persons opinion. They don't have to agree; they just need to respect it.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

Your review had nothing wrong with it buddy. People just don't like it when someone can be so harsh to a band they are in love with. They feel like it's the end of the world when its just one persons opinion. They don't have to agree; they just need to respect it.
Ha, the same goes for people when they talk about politics. However, being muscially bipartisan is probably a lot easier than being politically bipartisan

[projectmayhem16]

Not to sound like a begger but if anyone could hook me up with some scene points it would be greatly appreciated, I was raped of them yesterday for absolutely no reason other than laughing at an image Slade posted, as were like 5-6 others.

[supadupa003]

Ha, the same goes for people when they talk about politics. However, being muscially bipartisan is probably a lot easier than being politically bipartisan

Haha good call man. It's great that people can believe in something so much or have it affect them so much. Everyone just needs to chill out though and respect other people's opinions too. We're all coming from different backgrounds and musical experiences; We all have different tastes. I'm just so tired of people thinking you're a horrible person for loving or hating one album by one band in one genre.

[finch425]

I hardly hear anyone besides March hype that Over It record actually.

thats becoause the album was a HUGE LET DOWN from their first album, very laid back, but it does have some good songs on it, and by the way, i do like the new fob, its exactily what i expected it to be.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

Haha good call man. It's great that people can believe in something so much or have it affect them so much. Everyone just needs to chill out though and respect other people's opinions too. We're all coming from different backgrounds and musical experiences; We all have different tastes. I'm just so tired of people thinking you're a horrible person for loving or hating one album by one band in one genre.
Yeah, I agree. It's great that people can be as passionate about their own beliefs as they are, but... being considerate about other's beliefs is still a must.

[heartlock]

Not to sound like a begger but if anyone could hook me up with some scene points it would be greatly appreciated, I was raped of them yesterday for absolutely no reason other than laughing at an image Slade posted, as were like 5-6 others.

and here i thought scene points was just a meaningless number

[MidniteVulture]

At least the new Springsteen album was pretty good.

[Manbotisdead]

At least the new Springsteen album was pretty good.
:spacecraf

The Boss never disappoints.

[projectmayhem16]

At least the new Springsteen album was pretty good.his Storytellers was AMAZING, it was really inspiring to see how much passion and thought went into his song-writing, he's the best.

[Jared Kaufman]

By the way, some people made some comments about the song title "Our Lawyers Made Us Change The Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued." Pete wanted me to let you know that, for the record, the song was originally going to be called "My Name Is David Ruffin And These Are My Temptations", but he threatened them with a lawsuit, hence the reason for the change.

[Burnout2888]

"I bet you would all like me a lot more if I could come up with the right words to describe the new Fall Out Boy songs I heard being mixed today (huge thank you to Neal, Patrick, and Pete for the invite). I'm sorry guys, my mind is sufficiently blown - it'll take a few days to register and report. My vocab isn't vast enough to describe some of the things I heard." -Jason Tate

Sorry, had to.

[ShoeSh1ne]

By the way, some people made some comments about the song title "Our Lawyers Made Us Change The Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued." Pete wanted me to let you know that, for the record, the song was originally going to be called "My Name Is David Ruffin And These Are My Temptations", but he threatened them with a lawsuit, hence the reason for the change.

How does David Ruffin find out about a little band named Fall Out Boy? And did he spend all his money already and need some more which is why he wanted to sue.

[projectmayhem16]

By the way, some people made some comments about the song title "Our Lawyers Made Us Change The Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued." Pete wanted me to let you know that, for the record, the song was originally going to be called "My Name Is David Ruffin And These Are My Temptations", but he threatened them with a lawsuit, hence the reason for the change.do you have MSN Messenger by chance? I hate not being able to talk to you.

[Manbotisdead]

How does David Ruffin find out about a little band named Fall Out Boy? And did he spend all his money already and need some more which is why he wanted to sue.

A little thing called no free time.

[mctwist]

I have to say I disagree with Frank's opinions in his review, but I completely see where he is coming from. I am one of FOB's biggest supporters, but come on, there is no way this album was going to live up to the hype. I still think FUTCT is definitely a good record and true to the FOB style, but a lot of the same song ideas were used again (even though Pete says they wanted to stop writing songs about hating girls). Though I do think Frank's comparison to the new TSL album (which is great as well) was a little off. Outside of "Photography" and "Ready", the songs all sound as if they could have been part of Say It Like You Mean It, which isn't a bad thing. Good reviews by everyone, but what kind of a major record release would it be without opinion drama?

[projectmayhem16]

and who the fuck is David Ruffin? for some reason the guy that won big on Jeopardy comes to mind but I know thats wrong, haha.

[Manbotisdead]

and who the fuck is David Ruffin? for some reason the guy that won big on Jeopardy comes to mind but I know thats wrong, haha.

Ken Jennings? Wow that hit a new level of ridiculousness.

[Lemieux66]

Not to be a prick, but if someone wants to tell me "Your review fucking sucks, it's piss poor" atleast give me a REASON WHY YOU THINK THAT.

Your review fucking sucks, it's piss poor because it's a strong opinion that most people cant handle.

Oh wait, that doesnt mean it sucks. It just means it's different. Thanks for airing another view/opinion on this site. It seems that unless a staff member does it any member will be squelched anonymously by scene point whores. It's a shame that it has to be that way, but thanks for doing your part.

[Jared Kaufman]

I have to say I disagree with Frank's opinions in his review, but I completely see where he is coming from. I am one of FOB's biggest supporters, but come on, there is no way this album was going to live up to the hype. I still think FUTCT is definitely a good record and true to the FOB style, but a lot of the same song ideas were used again (even though Pete says they wanted to stop writing songs about hating girls). Though I do think Frank's comparison to the new TSL album (which is great as well) was a little off. Outside of "Photography" and "Ready", the songs all sound as if they could have been part of Say It Like You Mean It, which isn't a bad thing. Good reviews by everyone, but what kind of a major record release would it be without opinion drama?
A lot of songs on here are so far from being about hating on girls. I'm not even sure if one is.

[saintjoel]

and who the fuck is David Ruffin? for some reason the guy that won big on Jeopardy comes to mind but I know thats wrong, haha.

the guy who sang "my girl" in the group, he basically thought he was the reason why they were succesful, but he developed a coke-habit, got fired from the band, then went broke, etc. watch the movie on vh1 if you ever get the chance he's played by the guy who played the the driver in cool runnings, LEON

on a now side note: im listening to the record right now and its pretty much what i expected, certainly not terrible tho, in my opinion

[Manbotisdead]

the guy who sang "my girl" in the group, he basically thought he was the reason why they were succesful, but he developed a coke-habit, got fired from the band, then went broke, etc. watch the movie on vh1 if you ever get the chance he's played by the guy who played the the driver in cool runnings, LEON

on a now side note: im listening to the record right now and its pretty much what i expected, certainly not terrible tho, in my opinion

That guy is a loser.

[projectmayhem16]

the guy who sang "my girl" in the group, he basically thought he was the reason why they were succesful, but he developed a coke-habit, got fired from the band, then went broke, etc. watch the movie on vh1 if you ever get the chance he's played by the guy who played the the driver in cool runnings, LEON

on a now side note: im listening to the record right now and its pretty much what i expected, certainly not terrible tho, in my opinionhaha, thx for the input I was completely lost.

[saintjoel]

That guy is a loser.

dude it wasnt his fault, he had a faulty sled

[van_morrison]

this band is so overrated

[FourStarters]

Someone wanna explain exactly how you bash someone's review of the album? It's a personal review...if Frank or Scott or Ryan don't like the album, they don't like it and really, if you like FOB, their review isn't going to make or break you on their band.

Reviews are subjective...it's all about opinion, and Bob forbid anyone have one of those. ;)

[Samuel]

i agree with Frank

good job for showing some balls

[Jared Kaufman]

this band is so overrated
Like Van Morrison?

[saintjoel]

Like Van Morrison?

dont hate on Van Morrison

[supadupa003]

Like Van Morrison?

...wow.

[Manbotisdead]

Like Van Morrison?

Come on man, that is classic stuff.

[mctwist]

A lot of songs on here are so far from being about hating on girls. I'm not even sure if one is.
Okay, "hating on girls" was a bad description, maybe rather just the whole "about girls" angle. It's just that you can definitely tell Pete wrote all the lyrics for this record. His style is unique, but you can pick up on it after a while. I'd really like to (seriously) hear what you think some of the songs are about, because I believe all but Our Lawyers..(about the scene), and Champagne For My Real Friends...(about friends) are about girls...which we heard all about on the last cd, minus Grenade Jumper. Not that the fairer sex isn't commonly a song topic in music in general these days, but just something that stood out for me during my listen.

[Sureshot182]

people saying THEIR opinion is not being rude or cutting down the fact that the review was written. i don't think from under the cork tree sounds like ttyg much at all. it has the catchiness and tongue in cheek lyrics out the ass, but that is what makes fob so fucking great. i love this cd and band. nothing short of a 5/5.

[marchfaster]

Okay, "hating on girls" was a bad description, maybe rather just the whole "about girls" angle. It's just that you can definitely tell Pete wrote all the lyrics for this record. His style is unique, but you can pick up on it after a while. I'd really like to (seriously) hear what you think some of the songs are about, because I believe all but Our Lawyers..(about the scene), and Champagne For My Real Friends...(about friends) are about girls...which we heard all about on the last cd, minus Grenade Jumper. Not that the fairer sex isn't commonly a song topic in music in general these days, but just something that stood out for me during my listen.
no way, the cool thing to do now isnt hate on girls...but now its cool to write songs about how the genre's cliched and everyone ELSE writes about hating on girls...or suddenly become obnoxiously political.

[Jared Kaufman]

I wasn't being serious. I dig Morrison and The Doors. I was just stressing a point that it's all opinion. Some feel Nirvana is overrated while others will say that's a blasphemous statement. It's all opinion.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

Like Van Morrison?
Haha, good one. You just owned that suckuh.

[projectmayhem16]

damn you Jared :( you never responded

[veronabryce]

I Can Honestly Say That I Havent Read A Single Review For This Album That Doesnt Have The Words "The Starting Line" or "Based On A True Story" in it. Both albums are awesome in my opinion, but yes, the starting line is way better.

[Frank Giaramita]

I Can Honestly Say That I Havent Read A Single Review For This Album That Doesnt Have The Words "The Starting Line" or "Based On A True Story" in it. Both albums are awesome in my opinion, but yes, the starting line is way better.

I actually didn't read Ryan/Scott's review of it, I just read Jared's. Kind of ironic that they dropped TSL's name in there's as well. I was actually going to use B182 as an example and not TSL, bc I think B182 really matured on their self-titled album. But I chose to use TSL instead, don't ask me why.

[Manbotisdead]

I actually didn't read Ryan/Scott's review of it, I just read Jared's. Kind of ironic that they dropped TSL's name in there's as well. I was actually going to use B182 as an example and not TSL, bc I think B182 really matured on their self-titled album. But I chose to use TSL instead, don't ask me why.
Why?

[s.deel.besonym]

Here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/reviews/showproduct.php?product=723) is my review of the new Fall Out Boy (www.falloutboyrock.com) album, From Under The Cork Tree.

Note: This is my blunt and honest opinion on the album. I'm entitled to one and If you can't handle that, don't bother reading it.
I read your disclaimer but come on man. This CD doesn't even sound like Blink 182. Whatever, your opinion. At least the other reviews were more than a paragraph.

[mondeoman]

I disagree with the review but I liked it. The whole Hurley caps/spikey hair thing made me feel nostalgic. One question, why are these reviews all over the place on the site instead of in one place? I thought you guys put all your reviews in one place.

[Frank Giaramita]

I read your disclaimer but come on man. This CD doesn't even sound like Blink 182. Whatever, your opinion. At least the other reviews were more than a paragraph.

Nooo, i didnt mean it sounds like Blink 182... what I meant was, I was going to say "Blink 182 is a great example of maturing. They matured A LOT from Take Off Your Pants... to their last self-titled release... Fall Out Boy on the other hand, haven't matured at all, not one bit."...but I instead used TSL as that example... for whatever reason.

[s.deel.besonym]

I don't even see what's so wonderful about the new TSL CD. It's TSL. It's still TSL. Listen to Surprise, Surprise. Sure, he ripped off Max Bemis. Sure, he learned a few new vocal tricks. Sure, he's a little cockier and a little less heartbroken. Sure, he has a song about the industry. Wow, look at the maturity there.

</sarcasm>

[Jared Kaufman]

Nooo, i didnt mean it sounds like Blink 182... what I meant was, I was going to say "Blink 182 is a great example of maturing. They matured A LOT from Take Off Your Pants... to their last self-titled release... Fall Out Boy on the other hand, haven't matured at all, not one bit."...but I instead used TSL as that example... for whatever reason.
How many albums prior to maturing did Blink 182 have, though? They didn't go from "Dude Ranch" to self-titled for example.

[AmIWrong]

penis

[saintjoel]

I wasn't being serious. I dig Morrison and The Doors. I was just stressing a point that it's all opinion. Some feel Nirvana is overrated while others will say that's a blasphemous statement. It's all opinion.

thats jim morrison silly, van morrison was another singer/songwriter from the 60s/70s wrote several hits, most notibly "Brown Eyed Girl"

One question, why are these reviews all over the place on the site instead of in one place? I thought you guys put all your reviews in one place.

i was wondering about that too

[Jared Kaufman]

thats jim morrison silly, van morrison was another singer/songwriter from the 60s/70s wrote several hits, most notibly "Brown Eyed Girl"



i was wondering about that too
Duh. Sorry. It's been one of those days. I need to learn to pay attention before jumping the gun.

[Manbotisdead]

Duh. Sorry. It's been one of those days. I need to learn to pay attention before jumping the gun.
Nice.

[AndThinkOfTexas]

Duh. Sorry. It's been one of those days. I need to learn to pay attention before jumping the gun.
Understandable mistake.

[neo506]

let's face it: there is a lot worse music out there

[LPMagic]

By the time NFG's "Catalyst" came out... i had already given up on the band and really couldn't give a fuck what they released. I'm not asking FOB to release an incredibly ground breaking and revolutionary album. I'm asking them to release a record that isn't the same as the older ones with different artwork and one that doesn't leave me bored after a mere 2 listens. But I totally understand what you're saying, and I totally respect it, bc I love fun albums.

To be honest, I really didn't read all of the posts in this thread, I think I read up to this one and a few after. (I'll get to the above post in a little bit)

The problem that I have with this entire thread is that you're posting a review on AbsolutePunk.net, a site that is read by hundreds (thousands?) of people at any given time (I don't really know how many at one time, just guessing).

You're typing out your opinion and then you're saying "Now what I want you to do is 1. read my review, 2. whether you agree or disagree, it doesn't matter because I got to say what I wanted to say, and 3. if you do happen to disagree, too fucking bad." ("Note: This is my blunt and honest opinion on the album. I'm entitled to one and If you can't handle that, don't bother reading it.") You're basically telling people that if they read it, they can only post if they'll kiss your ass or at least agree with what you have to say. You discourage debate with your note, which goes against everything any message board encourages.

For example (a minor one at that):

The majority of the album sounds nothing like Take This To Your Grave.

Hence why I said "This review is MY OPINION".. not once, but twice. People perceive sounds in different ways. I think this album is the "To Be Continued" of TTTYG and I need maturity in an album... or else I get sick of it EXTREMELY fast.

You attack him for saying his opinion on your review, yet you post a review that's made for feedback. (???) Now it wasn't an attack in the sense of name calling or anything like that, but you were sarcastic by saying "this review is MY OPINION not once but twice", which not only insults his intelligence, but makes it seem like you're on a higher pedistal because, afterall, it's "YOUR" opinion.

If you're telling people up front that your review is blunt and honest, why can't people be blunt and honest about what they have to say about your review? Why even post your review at all unless you want us to discuss what you have to say? I guess today has just infuriated me beyond words and I don't mean to attack you or single you out, Frank (in fact I generally respect what you have to say and admire that you're on staff) but this is your review and feedback for what you had to say.

Now to get back to your original post... (Oh and honestly not to be sarcastic, but I'm going to be honest and give my opinion of what you say. Is that ok in your threads or not? Because I really don't wanna waste my time if that's the case.)...

1. Why would you give up on a band and "not give a fuck" about them? There are obvious bands/singers that sell out, and that's understandable, but what the fuck has a band like New Found Glory done that's so wrong? They've made music, toured, and worked their asses off for years now. Just 4 years ago, they released what is widely accepted as one of the best pop punk albums out there. I'm not trying to force my opinion down your throat, so don't come back at me with that, I'm just trying to figure out why you would turn your back on a band and not at least keep an open ear to anything they're making. It's one thing if your music interests change, but you're obviously into pop punk if you're writing a review on a Fall Out Boy album. (And if you're not into pop punk, then it would be kinda irrelevant and silly to write a review, especially one for critical examination and/or for a mass audience such as AP.net)

2. You say in your post "I'm not asking FOB to release an incredibly ground breaking and revolutionary album. I'm asking them to release a record that isn't the same as the older ones with different artwork and one that doesn't leave me bored after a mere 2 listens." So let me see if I'm following you. You completely wrote off and gave the finger to a band that changed their style (NFG) yet you're criticizing another band for giving you what you consider more of the same? It sounds to me (and I stress that this is my opinion, I'm not trying to bash you) like 1. you completely overanalyze music or 2. you're just looking to write something negative about a band that's on such a high pedestal right now. It seems like a lot of people out there expect a band to pull a (recent example) TSL and completely change their sound so that way critics and fans can look at them and say "oooooh, they've progressed." or "They're hip, they're different, they're making a statement." (By the way, that's not an attack on TSL or their intentions, I really like the new album)

To throw my opinion about FOB in here (if I can), I'm glad that they kept a similar sound. I was a fan before, so why wouldn't I be a fan now? You have to admit that they are good at what they do (check out their Purevolume plays (+3 million and counting), check out their rapidly growing fanbase, hell check out 1st week sales in a couple weeks... you might not like what they do, but admit that they're good at it) If you were a fan of them before, I don't see how FUCT can leave you bored after 2 listens. Again, it seems like you're overanalyzing and/or searching for something that you know won't be there.

- Jeff

[Manbotisdead]

LP magic that was way too long, no one is seriously gonna read that.

[LPMagic]

LP magic that was way too long, no one is seriously gonna read that.

I wrote it for Frank, as long as he reads it then I guess what you say is fine with me.

- Jeff

[saintjoel]

I wrote it for Frank, as long as he reads it then I guess what you say is fine with me.

- Jeff

yeah but its way too long for frank too, his attention span is so short, he gives up on jerking off if it takes longer than 15 seconds

[whitelines]

i agree with his opinion on the album.
i enjoyed reading his review.
way to go frank :]

[Lemieux66]

I wrote it for Frank, as long as he reads it then I guess what you say is fine with me.

- Jeff

I read it all, one of the best posts i've seen on here. Nice work.

[Frank Giaramita]

How many albums prior to maturing did Blink 182 have, though? They didn't go from "Dude Ranch" to self-titled for example.

Yeah, hence why Enema and Take Off... BLEW ASS.

To be honest, I really didn't read all of the posts in this thread, I think I read up to this one and a few after. (I'll get to the above post in a little bit)

The problem that I have with this entire thread is that you're posting a review on AbsolutePunk.net, a site that is read by hundreds (thousands?) of people at any given time (I don't really know how many at one time, just guessing).

You're typing out your opinion and then you're saying "Now what I want you to do is 1. read my review, 2. whether you agree or disagree, it doesn't matter because I got to say what I wanted to say, and 3. if you do happen to disagree, too fucking bad." ("Note: This is my blunt and honest opinion on the album. I'm entitled to one and If you can't handle that, don't bother reading it.") You're basically telling people that if they read it, they can only post if they'll kiss your ass or at least agree with what you have to say. You discourage debate with your note, which goes against everything any message board encourages.

For example (a minor one at that):





You attack him for saying his opinion on your review, yet you post a review that's made for feedback. (???) Now it wasn't an attack in the sense of name calling or anything like that, but you were sarcastic by saying "this review is MY OPINION not once but twice", which not only insults his intelligence, but makes it seem like you're on a higher pedistal because, afterall, it's "YOUR" opinion.

If you're telling people up front that your review is blunt and honest, why can't people be blunt and honest about what they have to say about your review? Why even post your review at all unless you want us to discuss what you have to say? I guess today has just infuriated me beyond words and I don't mean to attack you or single you out, Frank (in fact I generally respect what you have to say and admire that you're on staff) but this is your review and feedback for what you had to say.

Now to get back to your original post... (Oh and honestly not to be sarcastic, but I'm going to be honest and give my opinion of what you say. Is that ok in your threads or not? Because I really don't wanna waste my time if that's the case.)...

1. Why would you give up on a band and "not give a fuck" about them? There are obvious bands/singers that sell out, and that's understandable, but what the fuck has a band like New Found Glory done that's so wrong? They've made music, toured, and worked their asses off for years now. Just 4 years ago, they released what is widely accepted as one of the best pop punk albums out there. I'm not trying to force my opinion down your throat, so don't come back at me with that, I'm just trying to figure out why you would turn your back on a band and not at least keep an open ear to anything they're making. It's one thing if your music interests change, but you're obviously into pop punk if you're writing a review on a Fall Out Boy album. (And if you're not into pop punk, then it would be kinda irrelevant and silly to write a review, especially one for critical examination and/or for a mass audience such as AP.net)

2. You say in your post "I'm not asking FOB to release an incredibly ground breaking and revolutionary album. I'm asking them to release a record that isn't the same as the older ones with different artwork and one that doesn't leave me bored after a mere 2 listens." So let me see if I'm following you. You completely wrote off and gave the finger to a band that changed their style (NFG) yet you're criticizing another band for giving you what you consider more of the same? It sounds to me (and I stress that this is my opinion, I'm not trying to bash you) like 1. you completely overanalyze music or 2. you're just looking to write something negative about a band that's on such a high pedestal right now. It seems like a lot of people out there expect a band to pull a (recent example) TSL and completely change their sound so that way critics and fans can look at them and say "oooooh, they've progressed." or "They're hip, they're different, they're making a statement." (By the way, that's not an attack on TSL or their intentions, I really like the new album)

To throw my opinion about FOB in here (if I can), I'm glad that they kept a similar sound. I was a fan before, so why wouldn't I be a fan now? You have to admit that they are good at what they do (check out their Purevolume plays (+3 million and counting), check out their rapidly growing fanbase, hell check out 1st week sales in a couple weeks... you might not like what they do, but admit that they're good at it) If you were a fan of them before, I don't see how FUCT can leave you bored after 2 listens. Again, it seems like you're overanalyzing and/or searching for something that you know won't be there.

- Jeff


He didn't say it in an opinion form, he said..."this albums sound nothing like TTTYG"... that is actually a factual remark. Saying... "I think this album sounds nothing like TTTYG" is an opinion, and is infact totally totally different. He opposed my opinion with a statement that was written as a fact... hence why I responded with what I responded with. Also, about people "discussing" what I have to say. Saying "This review is piss poor" without providing any foundation or justification for that statement is not "discussing", it's called slandering for absolutely no reason. SO if people want to actually "discuss" my review and use evidence as to why they feel the way they do about it, feel free to do so, but don't judge something if you're not going to provide the reasons as to why you say what you say. Never once did I call NFG sellouts, nor did I ever ever say they weren't hardworking. Where you got those ideas from... I have no idea, I guess you made them up? What the person I responded to said was "NFG haven't progressed how come nobody gives them shit"... and the reason I said I don't listen to them, as because they didn't progress or mature. In my opinion THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THEIR SOUND... I don't know where you got the idea that I said otherwise, but I didn't. Not to attack you, but it seems your post is full of statements I NEVER SAID. I said, NFG's stuff is old, recycled and boring, not the opposite, like you believe. Secondly, do you honestly believe TSL said to themselves.. "hmm, let me write this melody this way, instead of that way so people can think we matured"? I'm not saying they didn't do that, but I personally don't believe that was not their thought process going into this album. AT ALL., because if it was, it would lack emotion, truth and be extremely bland. Also, if you read my review (which I'm actually beginning to doubt) you could see where I said, "I loved "Take This To Your Grave", and I really don't mind pop-punk... if it's done correctly."... so where you got the idea I didn't like pop-punk, is also beyond me. I'm not quite sure where you conjured up these thoughts, and/or came up with the stuff you said I said, but really didn't. One things for sure, I don't think half of the things you think I do (NFG selling, NFG style changing, NFG not being hardworking, Me not liking pop punk etc.). Also, your "If you were a fan of them before, I don't see how FUCT can leave you bored after 2 listens" comment... I cleared this up in my review. I was a fan of them before... and when I listen to the new album, I don't want to hear the same shit I heard before... because it GETS OLD FAST. I want to hear something different and I want to hear growth. These songs sound like every other song the band has written in the past (in my opinion) and to me, it gets old fast as a result. Trust me, if I was looking for a reason to bash it, I would've tore it apart a lot more than i did.

[jusscali]

i really like this album...maybe not as much at tttyg, but there are some great stand out tracks. This cd does not replicate tttyg at all, they are alot more hard and diverse than they were, YES THEY ARE THE SAME BAND..so chances are they sound a lot alike but this album does show some signs of growth, but honestly IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT. I also am a big fan of the new tsl, but i do not see where the "oh they are so much more mature" bullshit, jsut becuz kennys spends half the cd yelling his pussy ass off trying to sound more badass.. ready and photography are most certianly a different approach from previous efforts, but most of the albums is the same pop punk shit as Say it Like you Mean it, i still love it though! I really get sick of people being bitches when someone posts a review about a band they are just out to get so they can probably piss off the whole site while they have a coke and a smile. Chances are i dont like the music they like at all but that just means i dont listen to them when review day comes. Fall out boy is great, its catchy, its funny, and its good summer music to bounce around too, if someone wants to neglect that fact because they are no weird mother fucking Mar Volta shit then too bad. The new tsl is good, the new fob is good, the newer taking back that so many people talk shit bout is also a great record, and all the other albums half the people on here talk smack about are great listens as well.

[leocorrea]

why didn't you talk about a few of the songs rather than just talk about how much you hate it?
this shouldn't even be called a "review".

[Frank Giaramita]

why didn't you talk about a few of the songs rather than just talk about how much you hate it?
this shouldn't even be called a "review".

Because I look at albums as a whole. I don't look at them 3 mins by 3 mins... and I don't think that's how an album should be looked at.... at all. I review albums based on the overall product, not pieces of it.

I read it all, one of the best posts i've seen on here. Nice work.

it would be one of the best things written on here if it actually consisted of things I said, thought or conveyed. About 99% of it is things I don't believe or feel.. I'm not quite sure where he came up with that stuff, but I don't like when people accuse, put words in my mouth or create arguments out of things they've made up.

[XPrettyXWasteX]

i didn't read the review or any of these billions of replies.. i just wanna say i'm stoked on the new FOB album. and they were awesome last night in DC.

[two_days_slow]

I tend to agree with 99% of what Frank says, because I usually feel the same.... except this review. Oh well though, I guess thats why he writes the reviews and I read them.

[Frank Giaramita]

I tend to agree with 99% of what Frank says, because I usually feel the same.... except this review. Oh well though, I guess thats why he writes the reviews and I read them.

Haha, I DON'T WRITE REVIEWS!!! The main reason being, because I suck at writing and because I am an opinionated fuck face. I respect anyone who thinks otherwise about this album and I encourage everyone who likes the band to pick it up, but I am just a normal fucking person and normal listener who had a feeling about the album I felt needed to be expressed. Don't listen to a word I said in teh review for all I care... it doesn't matter to me, I just wrote this for my own expression purposes and it's not like me to rip apart an album at all.

[exthuse]

I think, you've all overestimated how good this album could have been with all the demo's and live tracks. If you'd have just waited and got a final copy, i personally feel your thoughts and opinions might be a little different.

It's not at all a bad album, it's still good, i just feel it's slightly more anthemic though. TTTYG is better.

[radxbandit]

i dont know if this has already been said but having an opinion is different than posting a review, you shouldn't post your opinion as a "review," most of the time reviews try to be objective and to go a little more in depth...i dunno just something to point out i suppose. sorry for being lame.

[exthuse]

i dont know if this has already been said but having an opinion is different than posting a review, you shouldn't post your opinion as a "review," most of the time reviews try to be objective and to go a little more in depth...i dunno just something to point out i suppose. sorry for being lame.
Dude, that's not lame. That's exactly the point.

He's used his opinion as a review, therefore he's not praising the album or detailing the fuck ups.

But maybe some reviews are an opinion, and I guess you have to take journalists opinions or find out yourself.

[discoyears]

Hence why I said "This review is MY OPINION".. not once, but twice. People perceive sounds in different ways. I think this album is the "To Be Continued" of TTTYG and I need maturity in an album... or else I get sick of it EXTREMELY fast.


WE GET THAT IT'S "YOUR OPINION." get over yourself.

[LPMagic]

Never once did I call NFG sellouts, nor did I ever ever say they weren't hardworking. Where you got those ideas from... I have no idea, I guess you made them up?

The above statement is absolutely rediculous. I'm gonna use your own words against you here and say... where you got the above ideas from... I have no idea, I guess YOU made them up? Way to make me sound like an asshole, Frank.

Since you failed to read what I said correctly the first time, here it is again.

1. Why would you give up on a band and "not give a fuck" about them? There are obvious bands/singers that sell out, and that's understandable, but what the fuck has a band like New Found Glory done that's so wrong?

I was using selling out as an example for giving up on a band and for "not giving a fuck" about them anymore. Did I EVER say that you called NFG sellouts? Did I EVER say that you claimed NFG isn't hardworking? Talk about slander.

Do you honestly believe TSL said to themselves.. "hmm, let me write this melody this way, instead of that way so people can think we matured"? I'm not saying they didn't do that, but I personally don't believe that was not their thought process going into this album. AT ALL., because if it was, it would lack emotion, truth and be extremely bland.

To be quite honest with you, Frank, you haven't really given me a chance to answer your question here. You ask me if I believe something and then you push your opinion on me as if you know how I feel about the issue. I said that I had nothing against TSL or their intentions (how the fuck would I know their intentions?) in my original post. I was saying that people who are affiliated with media outlets such as AP.net often try to search for a band's musical sound to change/"mature" (one of the most overused/overanalyzed cliches in music if you ask me) as if it is a neccesity for success. TSL happened to be a recent example, as I clearly stated, of a band that CLEARLY has a different sound than their last album... whether they did that for themselves, their critics, their label, I don't really know and to be honest, that is way outside the point I was trying to convey.

Do you want to see another example of how your response to my honest thoughts makes me feel like YOU are the one making things up? Read this:

so where you got the idea I didn't like pop-punk, is also beyond me. I'm not quite sure where you conjured up these thoughts, and/or came up with the stuff you said I said, but really didn't.

you're obviously into pop punk if you're writing a review on a Fall Out Boy album.

I mean, c'mon. I write something and then you completely disregard it.

One things for sure, I don't think half of the things you think I do (NFG selling, NFG style changing, NFG not being hardworking, Me not liking pop punk etc.).

I don't think you even know what you're talking about considering I didn't say you thought any of those things.

it would be one of the best things written on here if it actually consisted of things I said, thought or conveyed. About 99% of it is things I don't believe or feel.. I'm not quite sure where he came up with that stuff, but I don't like when people accuse, put words in my mouth or create arguments out of things they've made up.

I'm almost regretting writing words that seem to have been glanced at and not actually read.

- Jeff

[Don Trump]

Here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/reviews/showproduct.php?product=723) is my review of the new Fall Out Boy (www.falloutboyrock.com) album, From Under The Cork Tree.

Note: This is my blunt and honest opinion on the album. I'm entitled to one and If you can't handle that, don't bother reading it.


You just broke some magical rule by giving a terrible band a terrible review.



































Good job.

[a typicalcliche]

Rating: Honestly...do you really need a number to tell you what I thought of the album?

no

[Frank Giaramita]

i dont know if this has already been said but having an opinion is different than posting a review, you shouldn't post your opinion as a "review," most of the time reviews try to be objective and to go a little more in depth...i dunno just something to point out i suppose. sorry for being lame.

Naaa, I told this to someone earlier. I HATE reviews that are extremely subjective and opinionated... but I know Jared's is right below mine and I feel that keeps it balanced. If Jared's review wasn't below mine... I wouldn't have posted this. He is the sole reason why I did, because I personally hate when reviews are opinionated and stuff, I just knew you could see it from both side with Jared's review below mine.

WE GET THAT IT'S "YOUR OPINION." get over yourself.

You tell me to "get over myself" yet you speak on behalf of ALL of the 2 million viewers who visit this site... why don't you shut the fuck up, take your own advice and get over yourself because you have no right to speak on behalf of anyone except yourself. Some kids don't respect my opinion, that's why I made that statement (and I actually said it to someone who didn't)... so the next time you choose to represent a whole website's worth of people, atleast look at the comment I responded to, jackass. Get over yourself.

[volcom l stone]

i couldn't agree with this review anymore. SO so true.

[chordlessheart]

love how you're actually a reviewer, a lot of people just want to suck up to everyone's opinion.
but the thing is I think fall out boy is amazing and they're one of my first bands, so I'm gonna buy their new album no matter what. call me crazy. I'm thinking it's loyalty.

keep writing like nobody's business.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

okay okay guys. let's all just agree on one thing.


the bitch in my avatar has a really. really, really, nice rack.



Now can't we all get along? ;) ;)

[Manbotisdead]

okay okay guys. let's all just agree on one thing.


the bitch in my avatar has a really. really, really, nice rack.



Now can't we all get along? ;) ;)
Yes we can agree on that.

[PunkRckrDude182]

Shit, yeah she does!

[Charlieistony]

you guys really consider fallout boy talented? their lyrics are so cliche and their music involves no talent whatsoever, i play guitar, and basically every song they play is powerchords, and most of their riffs are generic, and they're not that good, now if you're a 14 year old girl i would understand why you think they're great... but that's a whole other topic

[rbozz]

poorly thought out".. because you're in my head, and you know my thought process and exactly what I did prior to writing the review?I don't need to be in your head to read and comment on a poorly written review.

Very interesting. I guess you're idea of a "poorly thought out review" is one you don't agree with?I never said I agreed with the review or disagreed with the review. I simply said it was a poor review. In case you missed it at the end of my post it said "whether or not you liked the album has nothing to do with it being a good review".

Because there really is no other way for you to have any idea how much thought I did or didn't put into it, and that's the only conclusion i can come to.If you want people to think you put forth an effort in doing a review, then I suggest you put forth more time in actually writing the review. It takes less than 10 minutes to put forth a well written review, whether or not you like the album or not.

I like how you say... "congratulations on your inability to write a nice and readable review thats worth the time it takes to read it"... yes, you're soooo tight for time that you actually came into the forums to reply. Ironic...very.Yes I know i'm cool for doing such things. I don't post often but sometimes a post has to be made. Also maybe you're not sure what the word "ironic" means, but you probably meant to use the word "hypocritical" instead. I wouldn't expect you to know the difference though. After all, in your own words, "I'm not looking to display writing skills or knowledge..."

I always do shit like that when I don't have a lot of time... "Fuck, I just wasted a half hour at the bank and I have other shit to do, but let me go back in there and carry on a lengthy conversation with the accountants because I'm tight for time."--- Makes a lot of sense, moron.[quote]Nobody asked you to put forth a lot of time. What I asked was for you to put forth some thought. And that doesn't take much time at all.

[quote]I put two fucking disclaimers around that review to keep complete dipshits like yourself from accessing it... I guess you just chose not to read them? Or maybe you like bitching? Who knows.Yes I read yoru disclaimes and I already called you on them. Maybe you missed that part? The problem with keeping dipshits from reading your article is the mere fact it was written by a dipshit. It calls to its own people.

Thanks for trying to make a "cool guy" response though. I happen to know its a volunteer basis doing reviews and I semi-applaud your effort in attempting to do so. But if you're just going to make a mockery of it and do a shitty job maybe your time would be well spent doing other things. It doens't take a lot of time to do something of this nature, but you're welcome to keep using that as an excuse for your bullshit.

[Frank Giaramita]

You say "it takes less than 10-minutes to put forth a well-written review" (which doesn't make sense or help your argument to begin with, but that's beside the point), who are you to assume how long it took me to write this? Your argument consists of "you suck, your review sucks" and assumptions...that's not really a solid argument AT ALL. The point in this review was to convey a point and express an opinion on something... obviously I did that pretty damn effectively if 99% of the people on here commented on the opinion I expressed and understood where I was coming from (whether they agreed with it or not). I'm not quite sure what a "cool guy" response consists of, but hell, if you can make up your own terms to further your argument, why the hell not?! You also have failed to give any reasoning why you believe my review is "poor" or why I'm a "dipshit", as as far as I'm concerned, you have NO FOUNDATION FOR ANYTHING. Like I said earlier, you're technically doing a review of my review... and at least my review consisted of reasoning and justified opinions as to why I felt the way I did about the album. Your statements provide absolutely no justification as to why you feel the way you do about my review, and in essence, are equivalent to me saying, "Fall Out Boy sucks and they're all dipshits". PROVIDE REASONING AND DETAILS AS TO WHY YOU THINK MY REVIEW SUCKS AND MAYBE I'LL CONSIDER HAVING A CIVIL DISCUSSION WITH YOU ON THE MATTER. SIMPLY SAYING "THIS REVIEW SUCKS, YOU'RE A DIPSHIT" DOESN'T REPRESENT AN ARGUMENT...AT ALL.

[Tyler Revolution]

The majority of the album sounds nothing like Take This To Your Grave.
I agree. And Franks comment after this was "Hence my opinion." This isn't an opinion. The majority of this album doesn't sound like TTTYG, that's a fact. They have grown musically on this album, and that is also a fact. A majority of the lyrics are still similar, witty and for the most part, well written. They play pop punk, a genre of music that is fun and simple. Were you looking for the next Beatles album? Like I said, they matured musically, they still have pretty good lyrics, and the vocals are still great. Terrible review, but a good effort.

[Frank Giaramita]

I agree. And Franks comment after this was "Hence my opinion." This isn't an opinion. The majority of this album doesn't sound like TTTYG, that's a fact. They have grown musically on this album, and that is also a fact. A majority of the lyrics are still similar, witty and for the most part, well written. They play pop punk, a genre of music that is fun and simple. Were you looking for the next Beatles album? Like I said, they matured musically, they still have pretty good lyrics, and the vocals are still great. Terrible review, but a good effort.

No it isn't a "fact". People hear sounds in different ways. You may think a singer sounds like somebody else, I may not. "They matured musically, they still have pretty good lyrics and the vocals are great" are ALL OPINIONS. People perceive, take-in and grasp things differently. What may sound similar to you, might sound different to someone else. My dad says to me all of the time, "Why do the vocalists in the genre of music you listen to all sound the same?" and I laugh at him, but I respect his OPINION. For example, lets say you saw someone on the streets that looked like Tom Cruise, and you said to your friend..."dude, that guy looks exactly like Tom Cruise", you're telling me your friend would be wrong in saying..."I don't see it at all, I don't think he looks anything like him". Like I said before, people perceive Things differently, hence why it's an opinion.

[rbozz]

You say "it takes less than 10-minutes to put forth a well-written review" (which doesn't make sense or help your argument to begin with, but that's beside the point)It doesn't make sense that i'm saying your review is pisspoor and that you were stating you had no time, and then I pointed out it takes relatively little time to make a well thought out review? Seriously thats pretty disturbing.

who are you to assume how long it took me to write this? "I always do shit like that when I don't have a lot of time... ". You flat out said you didnt' have any time. If your'e going to post in reply to my posts then try and remember what you've previously typed out.

Your argument consists of "you suck, your review sucks" and assumptions...that's not really a solid argument AT ALL. Wrong. I never said you sucked. I said your review sucked. Although it is relatively clear you suck.

The point in this review was to convey a point and express an opinion on something... obviously I did that pretty damn effectively if 99% of the people on here commented on the opinion I expressed and understood where I was coming from (whether they agreed with it or not).Yes you expressed your opinion. And I expressed mine. Are you saying that youre' allowed to express your opinion yet i'm not?

I'm not quite sure what a "cool guy" response consists of, but hell, if you can make up your own terms to further your argument, why the hell not?!I'm pretty sure you know what "cool guy" response is. But yet again you come at me with something that you already did.. remember your "tight" comment? Got hypocrisy?

You also have failed to give any reasoning why you believe my review is "poor" or why I'm a "dipshit", as as far as I'm concerned, you have NO FOUNDATION FOR ANYTHING.No I've given reasons, you've simply failed to read and comprehend them.

Like I said earlier, you're technically doing a review of my review... and at least my review consisted of reasoning and justified opinions as to why I felt the way I did about the album. Your statements provide absolutely no justification as to why you feel the way you do about my reviewObviously you either a) haven't bothered to read what i've typed out, or b) have absolutely no reading comprehension. Either way its saddening.

and in essence, are equivalent to me saying, "Fall Out Boy sucks and they're all dipshits".Which is pretty much what you did. Oh sure you managed to mention the words growth and throw in some idiocy about being in junior high but it boils down to the same thing.

PROVIDE REASONING AND DETAILS AS TO WHY YOU THINK MY REVIEW SUCKS AND MAYBE I'LL CONSIDER HAVING A CIVIL DISCUSSION WITH YOU ON THE MATTER. SIMPLY SAYING "THIS REVIEW SUCKS, YOU'RE A DIPSHIT" DOESN'T REPRESENT AN ARGUMENT...AT ALL. LOOK I CAN TYPE IN CAPS AS WELL. Try reading what i've written before and understanding it. And after you do that then form your arguement/statement back to me. Instead of forming yoru arguement/statement without reading or understanding anything. Thank you in advance.

Also take note you called me a dipshit first. I never even called you a name till after you decided to spout obcenities at me. Obviously you enjoy sharing your opinion but get angry when other people share theirs. Not overly surprising all things considered.

[Frank Giaramita]

Not to be a total prick... but you're either 1) retarded 2) illiterate. When I said "Yes, I always do that when I don't have a lot of time"... I was mocking the fact that you said "Thanks for wasting my time" and then came in here to reply to the thread, and in essence wasting more of your ever-so-precious time. NEVER ONCE did I say "I always write shitty reviews when I don't have a lot of time", and the only way you could perceive any statement I've made in this thread as that, is if youre a complete and utter moron. I respect peoples OPINIONS, saying something is "piss poor" ISN'T AN OPINION because it has nothing supporting it. Telling me... 'I think your album is piss poor because it fails to etc. etc. etc." would be a justified opinion... you never did that once. At all. My review is an opinion because I give reasons as to why I feel the way I did, that's why I said it should be respected. You on the other hand, fail to give solid foundation as to why you feel the way you do, and fall very short of the word "opinion"...your statements on my review don't warrant any respect from me at all... not unless you can provide details. I commented on FOB's lyrics, their melodies, compared them to other albums and even went as far as to compare the album to a previous one they released. I justified my statement regarding their "lack of growth" by saying the disc consisted of recycled ideas, typical hooks and very similar sounding songs... nothing new at all. If you're telling me this isn't "reasoning", I'm not quite sure what is. You never even came close to justifying your statements on my review as I did my statements on FOB's disc. You have no right to call my review "piss poor" when you can't even create foundation for your review of mine. If you actually had an opinion, I'd respect it... but you still don't, and it looks as if you never will. Sad.

[Gleebo]

Wow....look at all these FOB review threads with 6 gajillion replies. I refuse to read a review before I have a chance to listen to it. And even then I don't think it is fair to accurately review an album without having listened to it for a while(usually 7 or 8 listens through....or a period of time like a month or so of occasionally listening...hell it took me almost 2 years to fall in love with The Rocket Summer's "Calendar Days", then one day I listened to it and everything clicked at the right time and I started loving it and listening to it nonstop).

Im gonna assume that since there are this many replies in so many threads that there was some negative reviews involved causing an uproar, seperating nations, dividing families, and infighting between nuts over who is getting sucked and how jealous the other one is over it.

More than likely it is your inevitable "we love FOB and TTTYG was awesome" but "this new one sucks balls compared to it", and the old and unfair most of the time "they sold out their sound/I cant like them anymore no matter what because now the preps and jocks at school are listenting to them " card.
All this stuff seems to happen on bands sophomore or junior albums all the time. You can argue all you want that the quality of the music is either better or worse but subconciously alot of people already have their minds made up to dislike something before ever having been exposed to it. Like it or not, it happens. Just look at some semi recent releases and how they were accepted or rejected by the masses strongly, Taking Back Sunday - Where You Want To Be, The Used- In Love and Death, Saves the Day - In Reverie, Spitalfield - Stop Doing Bad Things, Goldfinger -Disconnection Notice, A Static Lullaby - Faso Latido and so on and so on.
Same thing happens with movie sequels and later seasons of television shows. But like I said I haven't heard it yet so it could suck so im not gonna read negative reviews in advance that may subconciously cement my opinion of it before the first listen.

Maybe its not negative post after negative post about the negative post. Maybe its just an overwhelming agreement that its a fucking amazing album. Who knows?? Well, not me. I wont find out until it shows up in my mailbox tomorrow at 11 AM.

[Tyler Revolution]

Wow....look at all these FOB review threads with 6 gajillion replies. I refuse to read a review before I have a chance to listen to it. And even then I don't think it is fair to accurately review an album without having listened to it for a while(usually 7 or 8 listens through....or a period of time like a month or so of occasionally listening...hell it took me almost 2 years to fall in love with The Rocket Summer's "Calendar Days", then one day I listened to it and everything clicked at the right time and I started loving it and listening to it nonstop).

Im gonna assume that since there are this many replies in so many threads that there was some negative reviews involved causing an uproar, seperating nations, dividing families, and infighting between nuts over who is getting sucked and how jealous the other one is over it.

More than likely it is your inevitable "we love FOB and TTTYG was awesome" but "this new one sucks balls compared to it", and the old and unfair most of the time "they sold out their sound/I cant like them anymore no matter what because now the preps and jocks at school are listenting to them " card.
All this stuff seems to happen on bands sophomore or junior albums all the time. You can argue all you want that the quality of the music is either better or worse but subconciously alot of people already have their minds made up to dislike something before ever having been exposed to it. Like it or not, it happens. Just look at some semi recent releases and how they were accepted or rejected by the masses strongly, Taking Back Sunday - Where You Want To Be, The Used- In Love and Death, Saves the Day - In Reverie, Spitalfield - Stop Doing Bad Things, Goldfinger -Disconnection Notice, A Static Lullaby - Faso Latido and so on and so on.
Same thing happens with movie sequels and later seasons of television shows. But like I said I haven't heard it yet so it could suck so im not gonna read negative reviews in advance that may subconciously cement my opinion of it before the first listen.

Maybe its not negative post after negative post about the negative post. Maybe its just an overwhelming agreement that its a fucking amazing album. Who knows?? Well, not me. I wont find out until it shows up in my mailbox tomorrow at 11 AM.
I like you.