linkin park still emo?

[shawdadblah]

i need to know how or what there new Cd is like before getting it for a friend, open to any comments. mainly is it like the last album wich sucked ass!

[Tristan Needler]

Linkin Park never have been and never will be emo.

[BurzumFiend]

Linkin Park never have been and never will be emo.

Agreed. No one knows what emo is these days :/

[DilesMavis]

Hmmm.

[MorbidCuriosity]

i need to know how or what there new Cd is like before getting it for a friend, open to any comments. mainly is it like the last album wich sucked ass!

1) Learn to get your posts to make sense.
2) Learn to use decent grammar.
3) Learn what emo is.

'Kay?

[AP_Punk]

:-|

EDIT: Rad to see more wimmin posters/newbies who actually know what emo is 'round here

[Machu505]

wut

[Tristan Needler]

Agreed. No one knows what emo is these days :/

1) Learn to get your posts to make sense.
2) Learn to use decent grammar.
3) Learn what emo is.

'Kay?
Don't take this the wrong way, but legitimately curious as to what you two (being fairly young) would define emo as?

[MorbidCuriosity]

Don't take this the wrong way, but legitimately curious as to what you two (being fairly young) would define emo as?
Emotional hardcore.

[breeding cancer]

wow, seriously.

[Tristan Needler]

Emotional hardcore.
Fair enough. My faith in the younger generations is upheld for now :-)

[AP_Punk]

Fair enough. My faith in the younger generations is upheld for now :-)

Same here. Haha.

[BurzumFiend]

Don't take this the wrong way, but legitimately curious as to what you two (being fairly young) would define emo as?

I define emo and a genre made from hardcore and indie. ["Emotional hardcore"] Some emo bands are Texas is the Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate, The Rites of Spring, Far, Native Nod, etc.

[Regards]

Linkin Park is so emotionally hardcore.

[Tristan Needler]

I define emo and a genre made from hardcore and indie. ["Emotional hardcore"] Some emo bands are Texas is the Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate, The Rites of Spring, Far, Native Nod, etc.
Fair enough. I think TITR and SDRE are more considered "second wave" emo, and bands like Rites of Spring and Fugazi are more considered first wave. But when I think emo I imediately think SDRE, Mineral, etc. so I'm impressed.

[MorbidCuriosity]

Regards:
Only emotion Linkin Park evokes is misery, due to the inevitable headache that succeeds listening to their music.

[Regards]

MorbidCutiosity gets emotionally hardcore whenever she listens to Linkin Park

[DilesMavis]

I never really considered Fugazi as emo.

[BurzumFiend]

Fair enough. I think TITR and SDRE are more considered "second wave" emo, and bands like Rites of Spring and Fugazi are more considered first wave. But when I think emo I imediately think SDRE, Mineral, etc. so I'm impressed.

Yeah, I guess. Fugazi is defiantly first wave. People now label FOB and MCR emo o__O

[Regards]

I never really considered Fugazi as emo.
From my understanding they're post-hardcore, but whenever I try to figure out genre's I get raped from somebody.

[MorbidCuriosity]

MorbidCutiosity gets emotionally hardcore whenever she listens to Linkin Park
What's a Cutiosity?

[Rodeo]

Fair enough. I think TITR and SDRE are more considered "second wave" emo, and bands like Rites of Spring and Fugazi are more considered first wave. But when I think emo I imediately think SDRE, Mineral, etc. so I'm impressed.

Fugazi's biggest influence was reggae.

[Rodeo]

I never really considered Fugazi as emo.


same here. they HATE the term too.

[Tristan Needler]

I never really considered Fugazi as emo.13 Songs is often considered one of the first emo albums. I'm not a huge Fugazi fan, but they're called that often.

Yeah, I guess. Fugazi is defiantly first wave. People now label FOB and MCR emo o__OI know. It's strange.

[Tristan Needler]

same here. they HATE the term too.
Surefire proof that you're an emo band: you hate being called an emo band.

[DilesMavis]

From my understanding they're post-hardcore, but whenever I try to figure out genre's I get raped from somebody.

I would consider them post-hardcore/post-punk, yeah. That's debatable though. I just never really understood how they're tagged as emo though. It's okay, I'm not very good with putting things into genre's either, but I wouldn't say emo, imo for sure.

[Regards]

What's a Cutiosity?
Someone who is on ap at work too much.

[Rodeo]

13 Songs is often considered one of the first emo albums. I'm not a huge Fugazi fan, but they're called that often.


13 songs wasn't even a real album. It was their first 2 EP's together! Where are you getting your information?

[Tristan Needler]

Courtesy Wikipedia:

In the mid-1990s, the term emo began to refer to the indie scene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28culture%29) that followed the influences of Fugazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugazi), which itself was an offshoot of the first wave of emo. Bands including Sunny Day Real Estate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_Day_Real_Estate), Far (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_%28band%29) and Texas Is the Reason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Is_the_Reason) had a more indie rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_rock) style of emo, more melodic and less chaotic. The so-called "indie emo" scene survived until the late 1990s, when many of the bands either disbanded or shifted to mainstream styles. As the remaining indie emo bands entered the mainstream, newer bands began to emulate the mainstream style.


So I stand corrected. Fugazi is more considered a starter of the second wave emo stuff than the first.

[MorbidCuriosity]

Someone who is on ap at work too much.
Ah. I comprehend.
:-d

[Tristan Needler]

13 songs wasn't even a real album. It was their first 2 EP's together! Where are you getting your information?
First two EPs, yeah. Which more people refer to by 13 Songs rather than the EPs individually. The fact that the collection of songs is often called one of the pioneering collection of songs of the genre still stands.

[Rodeo]

Wikipedia also offers 7 different genres for Fugazi, not one of them being "emo". :-d

[Rodeo]

Repeater > 13

[Regards]

Ah. I comprehend.
:-d
;-)

[DilesMavis]

13 Songs is often considered one of the first emo albums. I'm not a huge Fugazi fan, but they're called that often.

I know. It's strange.

I'm going to say no to that.

[Tristan Needler]

Wikipedia also offers 7 different genres for Fugazi, not one of them being "emo". :-d
True, but Wikipedia isn't an infallible source, that quote I cited included. But many people consider them pioneers of emo.

[BurzumFiend]

Wikipedia also offers 7 different genres for Fugazi, not one of them being "emo". :-d

Don't rely on Wikipedia. Fugazi is more of a band that influenced emo music, and started with the sound.

[kelevra]

Linkin Park never have been and never will be emo.
THIS^
i love them.

[Tristan Needler]

I'm going to say no to that.
Fair enough. I think you'll find a large amount of people disagree with you.

[DilesMavis]

True, but Wikipedia isn't an infallible source, that quote I cited included. But many people consider them pioneers of emo.

Rites of Spring are the pioneers. Always have and will be regardless.

[Tristan Needler]

THIS^
i love them.
Interesting haha. I don't like them. Emo is generally a genre I enjoy, not avoid.

[Rodeo]

True, but Wikipedia isn't an infallible source, that quote I cited included. But many people consider them pioneers of emo.


"Many people" like the like the OP. Most people that know anything about Fugazi wouldn't call them that, unless, you know, Rolling Stone. hahah

[Tristan Needler]

Rites of Spring are the pioneers. Always have and will be regardless.
And I said that as well. Fugazi are often considered pioneers as well.

[DilesMavis]

"Many people" like the like the OP. Most people that know anything about Fugazi wouldn't call them that, unless, you know, Rolling Stone. hahah

'Sup.

[Tristan Needler]

"Many people" like the like the OP. Most people that know anything about Fugazi wouldn't call them that, unless, you know, Rolling Stone. hahah
Lots of people I've seen who are very well versed in emo, midwest emo, etc. would tend to agree with me.

[Rodeo]

Don't rely on Wikipedia. Fugazi is more of a band that influenced emo music, and started with the sound.


:-d


You're just rehashing what wikipedia said. you were, what, 7, when their last record came out?

[Regards]

I love the midwest.

[Rodeo]

Lots of people I've seen who are very well versed in emo, midwest emo, etc. would tend to agree with me.

If they, themselves, wouldn't call it that... what gives me the right?

Respect Ian and he shall respect you.

[MorbidCuriosity]

:-d


You're just rehashing what wikipedia said. you were, what, 7, when their last record came out?
Leave her alone, she may have been young but she's had plenty of time to research and talk to fans about emo since then. Stop making unnecessary assumptions.

[Rodeo]

midwest emo =/= Washington DC.


midwest emo = Braid, Casket Lottery, etc.

[Regards]

midwest = wisconsin = milk, cheese, beer, etc.

[Rodeo]

Leave her alone, she may have been young but she's had plenty of time to research and talk to fans about emo since then. Stop making unnecessary assumptions.


That''s insane. That's like saying that you have some sort of authority over The Beatles or something just becuse you researched it. If you weren't there for it you can't fully grasp it.

[Tristan Needler]

If they, themselves, wouldn't call it that... what gives me the right?

Respect Ian and he shall respect you.
But pretty much no band considers themselves a member of the genre that they are.

[Rodeo]

But pretty much no band considers themselves a member of the genre that they are.


Punk bands are proud to be punk bands.



Dispute that one.

[BurzumFiend]

:-d


You're just rehashing what wikipedia said. you were, what, 7, when their last record came out?

Wikipedia doesn't say anything like that. And no, I was 13, which is young. I am not old, but I do know a decent amount about emo music.

[MorbidCuriosity]

That''s insane. That's like saying that you have some sort of authority over The Beatles or something just becuse you researched it. If you weren't there for it you can't fully grasp it.
Nah, it's not insane. If someone told her what it was like at the time, and how Fugazi influenced emo, she'd be perfectly capable of repeating it. It has nothing to do with authority.

[kelevra]

Interesting haha. I don't like them. Emo is generally a genre I enjoy, not avoid.
haha, now i feel stupid cause of you.
i thank you.

[Tristan Needler]

Punk bands are proud to be punk bands.



Dispute that one.
Ha, okay, that was hyperbole, but it's fairly well known (and often joked about) that many emo bands hate being called emo. I bet Rites of Spring wouldn't consider themselves emo either.

[Rodeo]

Wikipedia doesn't say anything like that. And no, I was 13, which is young. I am not old, but I do know a decent amount about emo music.

What the hell are youre talking about!? Can you not do math either? Fugazi's last album came out in 2001.

[Tristan Needler]

That''s insane. That's like saying that you have some sort of authority over The Beatles or something just becuse you researched it. If you weren't there for it you can't fully grasp it.
So you wouldn't believe a history professor since they didn't witness it?

[DilesMavis]

Yeah, I guess. Fugazi is defiantly first wave. People now label FOB and MCR emo o__O

Wikipedia doesn't say anything like that. And no, I was 13, which is young. I am not old, but I do know a decent amount about emo music.

Hm.

[BurzumFiend]

What the hell are youre talking about!? Can you not do math either? Fugazi's last album came out in 2001.

No, if you include the live series, 2004. And in a few weeks I'm turning 16 :P

[Rodeo]

Nah, it's not insane. If someone told her what it was like at the time, and how Fugazi influenced emo, she'd be perfectly capable of repeating it. It has nothing to do with authority.


Repeating it? You mean... believing everything you hear and not forming your own opinions? Great strategy..

[Rodeo]

No, if you include the live series, 2004. And in a few weeks I'm turning 16 :P

Nobody counts that seeing as they stopped playing shows two years prior.

[MorbidCuriosity]

Repeating it? You mean... believing everything you hear and not forming your own opinions? Great strategy..
If it's from a reliable source, then yes, yes it is a great strategy.

[shit stroll]

:rotfl: all over this thread.

[BurzumFiend]

Nobody counts that seeing as they stopped playing shows two years prior.

I know that. That WAS an album release though.

[Rodeo]

<newbie>


:hitself:

[MorbidCuriosity]

:hitself:

Lol?

[Rodeo]

:rotfl: all over this thread.



lolllll no shittttt. :-d

[Regards]

He went there.

[breeding cancer]

this is one heated arguement

[MorbidCuriosity]

Haha, methinks we're pretty much done now anyway. :-)
My life lacks controversy. I get tons out of this shit.

[breeding cancer]

of course your life lacks controversy, you're 14.

i'm not even being cruel, i'm just saying.

[Rodeo]

I get tons out of this shit.

Out of being on the wrong end of a weak argument? What a weird fetish.

[DaveZeroZero]

Good thread. Would read again.

[MorbidCuriosity]

Yeah. Well, some fourteen year-olds have exciting lives. They shock the media with their self-harm and their alcohol consumption and partying. Me, I sit around the house arguing with people I don't know about emo. So basically, I'm exceptionally sad.

[Rodeo]

Yeah. Well, some fourteen year-olds have exciting lives. They shock the media with their self-harm and their alcohol consumption and partying. Me, I sit around the house arguing with people I don't know about emo. So basically, I'm exceptionally sad.

Instead of sitting at home arguing about it, or reading it on wikipedia, or on livejournal... go to a show and experience it and actually have some first hand knowledge.

[googirl8907]

I wasn't aware that Linkin Park was emo.

[breeding cancer]

:(*

[DilesMavis]

Fair enough. I think you'll find a large amount of people disagree with you.

Lol, when first jumping into this "genre" I was recommended Fugazi. Of course, needless to say of studying, reading interviews, and books, and of course listening, I can now respectfully, and strongly disagree, that Fugazi is NOT an emo band, nor were they the "pioneers" of emo music. I suggest maybe you should do the same. Rather than riding on the claims of wiki and using them as a legitimate source.

[MorbidCuriosity]

Instead of sitting at home arguing about it, or reading it on wikipedia, or on livejournal... go to a show and experience it and actually have some first hand knowledge.
I live on a practically isolated island with no music scene.

[Rodeo]

I live on a practically isolated island with no music scene.

How many more excuses are you going to make?

[Tristan Needler]

Lol, when first jumping into this "genre" I was recommended Fugazi. Of course, needless to say of studying, reading interviews, and books, and of course listening, I can now respectfully, and strongly disagree, that Fugazi is NOT an emo band, nor were they the "pioneers" of emo music. I suggest maybe you should do the same. Rather than riding on the claims of wiki and using them as a legitimate source.
Actually I said to you that wikipedia is not an infallible source. Maybe you should pay attention to the discussion.

Fugazi is a huge influence on the midwest emo sound and are one of the first bands to move in that direction.

[MorbidCuriosity]

How many more excuses are you going to make?
Couple more...
I don't have any money
I'm too lazy to get a job
I don't want my parents to pay for me
I'd rather order or download random albums from the Internet and listen to them in the comfort of my own home anyway

[DilesMavis]

Actually I said to you that wikipedia is not an infallible source. Maybe you should pay attention to the discussion.

Fugazi is a huge influence on the midwest emo sound and are one of the first bands to move in that direction.

But you still used them to help better your argument, or discussion. Either way, you used wiki to back up what you had said. Bottom line.

I do like this wording better. They may have been an influence per se, but they weren't emo.

[DaveZeroZero]

Couple more...
I don't have any money
I'm too lazy to get a job
I don't want my parents to pay for me
I'd rather order download random albums from the Internet and listen to them in the comfort of my own home anyway
The internet is a beautiful thing that allows us to acquire all music for free.

[fadedmemories]

Best thread title ever....

[Burn That Shit]

Fuck genres, Linkin park is fucking shitty, Fugazi is great.

[BlinkinDuke]

Actually I said to you that wikipedia is not an infallible source. Maybe you should pay attention to the discussion.

Fugazi is a huge influence on the midwest emo sound and are one of the first bands to move in that direction.

So Fugazi went from being the pioneers of emo to being one of the biggest influences in emo to being the biggest influence in not emo-emo all in one thread? Interesting

[DilesMavis]

So Fugazi went from being the pioneers of emo to being one of the biggest influences in emo to being the biggest influence in not emo-emo all in one thread? Interesting

Hehe. :-)

[BlinkinDuke]

I define emo and a genre made from hardcore and indie. ["Emotional hardcore"] Some emo bands are Texas is the Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate, The Rites of Spring, Far, Native Nod, etc.

Fucking awesome band that no one here listens to (and should). Chris Leo >>>>>>>>> his brother (Ted Leo, since I know I'll have to spell it out for everyone)

[mht]

Wasn't Fugazi an "indie" band? Not to be confused with the Pitchfork or VLV or this website's version and jockage of "indie" styles today. Obviously they aren't some nu jack Bon Iver or Fleet Foxes or whatever toned down/slow tempo'd, image conscious bands there are that define indie in 2008. But back in the late 80s and early 90s, wasn't the ethics of Fugazi to be... dare I say, INDEPENDENT or indie? Didn't they want to separate themselves from the violence of that current hardcore scene they help build and the over pricing fame of styles like hair spray rock and the rise of grunge? Their independent or indie for short ethics were I believe, all their shows where the same ideal price (wasn't their goal for their shows only like 5 bucks to get all the time). Also they did not believe in marketing, I am pretty sure you cannot find a licensed Fugazi T-shirt. As you can find the bootleg "THIS IS NOT A FUGAZI SHIRT" that is not approved by the band. Formats on vinyl came later once they got more involved with their label no? I am pretty sure their ethics and ideals and DIY approach helped them fall into what the real meaning and style of play was for "indie" at the beginning. Not the how many big summer fests can our band play this year because Pitchfork gave us a 10 out of 10 indie we have in 2008.

We have come a long way in music... heh.

[DilesMavis]

Yeah, they were definitely "indie." Indie isn't a genre I believe though... So maybe we should leave them be and say that they are indie and move on? I can do that. I don't really like putting things into genre's to begin with to be honest. But it just irritates me that sometimes they're labeled as emo.

[mht]

You'd be surprised. Tons of mother fuckers on the internet will argue that indie is most certainly a genre. And that independent is a genre of music. Just like in the mainstream world "emo" is an adjective and not a genre of music from the 90s. Same applies with indie and kids that read pitchfork or post here.

[npmshah]

i know im gonna get raped by everyon here for using wiki
but the article on emo says fugazi is the primary influence on emo music in general
personally i think emo music is synonymous with post-hardcore music and the bands influenced by either post-hardcore bands or primary influences of post-hardcore
and since i worded that so poorly, heres an example:
Anberlin is Post-Hardcore, hence they are emo
Paramore is Pop punk, but since they are heavily influenced by Mewithoutyou (a PH band) and SDRE, they too are emo...
Fugazi and SDRE, since they are cited by many post-hardcore bands as influences, they are in turn emo...

[mht]

did I just read Paramore is influenced by Mewithoutyou and Sunny Day Real Estate.


ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[DilesMavis]

True. And woops, I kinda made the claim it wasn't a genre. (Hopes this won't turn into a complete 180 onto another discussion/"argument" of that...) But anyway yeah, completely true.

[KidRobot]

did I just read Paramore is influenced by Mewithoutyou and Sunny Day Real Estate.


ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?


lolololol

[mht]

I am no music wizard but that seemed like a stretch to me, no?

[mht]

True. And woops, I kinda made the claim it wasn't a genre. (Hopes this won't turn into a complete 180 onto another discussion/"argument" of that...) But anyway yeah, completely true.


I'd rather argue the make up on how you are a good looking female and listen and have knowledge on such good music. Because in real life that is not possible. Ever. You must be made up. Weird Science?

[BlinkinDuke]

Wasn't Fugazi an "indie" band? Not to be confused with the Pitchfork or VLV or this website's version and jockage of "indie" styles today. Obviously they aren't some nu jack Bon Iver or Fleet Foxes or whatever toned down/slow tempo'd, image conscious bands there are that define indie in 2008. But back in the late 80s and early 90s, wasn't the ethics of Fugazi to be... dare I say, INDEPENDENT or indie? Didn't they want to separate themselves from the violence of that current hardcore scene they help build and the over pricing fame of styles like hair spray rock and the rise of grunge? Their independent or indie for short ethics were I believe, all their shows where the same ideal price (wasn't their goal for their shows only like 5 bucks to get all the time). Also they did not believe in marketing, I am pretty sure you cannot find a licensed Fugazi T-shirt. As you can find the bootleg "THIS IS NOT A FUGAZI SHIRT" that is not approved by the band. Formats on vinyl came later once they got more involved with their label no? I am pretty sure their ethics and ideals and DIY approach helped them fall into what the real meaning and style of play was for "indie" at the beginning. Not the how many big summer fests can our band play this year because Pitchfork gave us a 10 out of 10 indie we have in 2008.

We have come a long way in music... heh.

Because everyone should read this a second time. If only we lived in a time when indie bands cared about their fans to the point that they wouldn't play a show if the tickets cost more than $5. My favorite thing they did is bring envelopes with $5 in them to give to hardcore dancers they kicked out of the show

[shit stroll]

anberlin = the definitive post hardcore band of our generation.

[npmshah]

did I just read Paramore is influenced by Mewithoutyou and Sunny Day Real Estate.


ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
yes you did...
Hayley Williams has said that mewithoutyou was a HUUUUGE influence on RIOT! for her....
and the band drops SDRE's name as a major influence in EVERY INTERVIEW
enough said...

[mht]

Because everyone should read this a second time. If only we lived in a time when indie bands cared about their fans to the point that they wouldn't play a show if the tickets cost more than $5. My favorite thing they did is bring envelopes with $5 in them to give to hardcore dancers they kicked out of the show


Yea once and awhile I run into a teacher or someone that for one reason or another talks to me about music, and ask me if I ever heard of Fugazi, as growing up when they were my age, Fugazi was their gateway band. A couple of my teachers have told me stories about Fugazi shows where they have done stuff like that. So clearly they had ideals and ethics, and their fans that supported them knew and appreciated that. When in 2005 I have a high school teacher telling me how he remembers how cheap those shows were, and how sincere the band/live show felt for a connection, compared to the stuff he sees kids wearing/acting like today. But then again I think the style during the Fugazi era was lots of baggy clothes, lots of groovy feels and an overall good time.

One could argue that they were almost a nu-wave hippie band for the late 80s early 90s.

Fucked Up Got Ambushed Zipped In. Obivously with that kind of meaning in their name, they had goals and ideals to preach during their era.


I am not totally sure they were anything close to "emo" or the midwestern emo, that one can argue was the real 1st wave of emo.

[BlinkinDuke]

I'd rather argue the make up on how you are a good looking female and listen and have knowledge on such good music. Because in real life that is not possible. Ever. You must be made up. Weird Science?

Haha. Of all the guys creeping (or whatever word you want to use) onto girls on this website, you're straightforwardness is easily the best. Especially because you brought up Weird Science and thus comparing all of us who actually enjoy this music to movie versions of Die Hard.

[DilesMavis]

I'd rather argue the make up on how you are a good looking female and listen and have knowledge on such good music. Because in real life that is not possible. Ever. You must be made up. Weird Science?

Ew. Stop being so charming :-(.

[mht]

I mean, there is evidence... does this look emo to you?

SGJFWirQ3ks


looks like a bunch of kids that should have been there for 70s woodstock ready to groove to me. Now look up any videos for any actual emo band and compare:

r1_9jI0_K2k


clear difference. just look at the crowd in comparison lol

[npmshah]

anberlin = the definitive post hardcore band of our generation.
that is def true...
stephen is one of the greatest vox of our time

[DilesMavis]

Lmao.

[shit stroll]

:lol:

[xX~Zak~RaWr~Xx]

i need to know how or what there new Cd is like before getting it for a friend, open to any comments. mainly is it like the last album wich sucked ass!

hahahahahahahaha funniest thing i ever heard. they are metalcore/nu metal, not emo.

[BlinkinDuke]

Yea once and awhile I run into a teacher or someone that for one reason or another talks to me about music, and ask me if I ever heard of Fugazi, as growing up when they were my age, Fugazi was their gateway band. A couple of my teachers have told me stories about Fugazi shows where they have done stuff like that. So clearly they had ideals and ethics, and their fans that supported them knew and appreciated that. When in 2005 I have a high school teacher telling me how he remembers how cheap those shows were, and how sincere the band/live show felt for a connection, compared to the stuff he sees kids wearing/acting like today. But then again I think the style during the Fugazi era was lots of baggy clothes, lots of groovy feels and an overall good time.

Stories like that make me wish I'd been born 10 years earlier just to experience Fugazi. Everyone I know who saw them speaks of the show like it was a religious experience

One could argue that they were almost a nu-wave hippie band for the late 80s early 90s.

It was just good dancing music for white kids. I see this

Fucked Up Got Ambushed Zipped In. Obivously with that kind of meaning in their name, they had goals and ideals to preach during their era.

Finding out what the acronym meant made me love them that much more.

[mht]

Stories like that make me wish I'd been born 10 years earlier just to experience Fugazi. Everyone I know who saw them speaks of the show like it was a religious experience



It was just good dancing music for white kids. I see this



Finding out what the acronym meant made me love them that much more.


and with that all said, none of that relates to the emo genre or the bands that fall under the emo genre in my opinion


thus.......................

[ForeverDelayed]

Teh lulz nevar stop in dis thred.

[BurzumFiend]

hahahahahahahaha funniest thing i ever heard. they are metalcore/nu metal, not emo.

Linkin park metalcore or nu metal XD Now THAT'S the funniest thing I've heard, after calling them emo.

[BlinkinDuke]

and with that all said, none of that relates to the emo genre or the bands that fall under the emo genre in my opinion


thus.......................

Thus...I have to make a lemon meringue pie for work. Totally skramz

[Rodeo]

Linkin park metalcore or nu metal XD Now THAT'S the funniest thing I've heard, after calling them emo.

Linkin Park's first album was numetal.

[BurzumFiend]

Linkin Park's first album was numetal.

Their old stuff, but now their pop. And they are most defiantly not metalcore..

[Rodeo]

Modern Rock

[SanePsychotic]

You mean modern crap.

[Rodeo]

You mean modern crap.


Just because I like you, yes.

[handlikesecret]

Linkin Park is the emoest of emos!

[kearn1tm]

Let me tell ya, when I listen to Linkin Park, I can clearly here the Ian MacKaye in it to the point where I'm all "shit, when did Ian MacKaye form a new band to play the hits?!"

[kearn1tm]

Ian MacKaye wants to know Whaaaaa-aaat he's dooooooone!

...

...he hates the kids.

[Burn That Shit]

yes you did...
Hayley Williams has said that mewithoutyou was a HUUUUGE influence on RIOT! for her....
and the band drops SDRE's name as a major influence in EVERY INTERVIEW
enough said...

That doesn't make any sense considering that if a band is an influence on a specific album, that album is supposed to sound at least similar. RIOT! sounds nothing like mewithoutyou, and nothing Paramore has ever written sounds anything like Sunny Day Real Estate.

Furthermore, if what you're saying is actually true and they say shit like that, it just makes me dislike Paramore even more for being huge fucking douchebags.

[DilesMavis]

I do actually remember hearing them say that SDRE was a major influence on their music. I thought that was pretty odd when I heard it, too. That was a long time ago though... about 4 years ago maybe. I don't know about mewithoutYou though.

[TotalCollapse]

Never has, never will.

[theguy77]

oh my god this thread is so STUPID

[KaneFails]

Linkin Park was never emo. Try overrated, instead. I find that that suits them much better. =P

[theguy77]

why the fuck do people spend so much time arguing over the meaning of a term that has been universally illegitimate since it was incepted, fucking 20 years later? every time i see one of these arguments, whether we're talking about the original or current applications of the word, i just get so pissed off.

[BlinkinDuke]

Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that every time you get into one of these debates togepi ends up reaming you a new one?

[theguy77]

Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that every time you get into one of these debates togepi ends up reaming you a new one?

thats a funny assumption to make coming from someone who is so irrelevant and infrequent on this forum. seriously do you ever pop up anywhere on here for any reason other than to set people straight on the "emo" genre? ive never seen you in any other context.

i dont actually remember the last time he called me out for using the word "emo" wrong, simply because i dont actually remember the last time i got it wrong; its one of the first things this site teaches you. but regardless whether i get it "right" it was still always illegitimate because it was never accepted or claimed by any of its' original bands and it was coined under the false assumption that hardcore music had never previously been driven by emotion or personal lyrics.

[BlinkinDuke]

thats a funny assumption to make coming from someone who is so irrelevant and infrequent on this forum. seriously do you ever pop up anywhere on here for any reason other than to set people straight on the "emo" genre? ive never seen you in any other context.

Only reason I joined this site was for the emo forum and once that was gone the quality of people on this site is astonishingly low. Emo threads are the only ones the worthwhile people here post in. Guess that makes me irrelevant that I pick and choose my threads rather than posting all around and gaining e-cred amongst everybody. I'm heartbroken that you think that, truly.


i dont actually remember the last time he called me out for using the word "emo" wrong, simply because i dont actually remember the last time i got it wrong; its one of the first things this site teaches you. but regardless whether i get it "right" it was still always illegitimate because it was never accepted or claimed by any of its' original bands and it was coined under the false assumption that hardcore music had never previously been driven by emotion or personal lyrics.

Most bands readily admit that they are emo (or screamo) if they fit in the genre, its the ones who have nothing to do with the genre who avoid the tag. Its just that anyone associated thinks its a stupid fucking name. Big difference between thinking your genre's tag was coined by dumbasses than completely avoiding the tag.

And with the hardcore thing, it was a completely different take on the hardcore approach. Listen to any 80s hardcore then listen to Rites of Spring/Moss Icon or any other Revolution Summer band, its a stark difference of emotion: (I hate to stereotype both of these this way but you forced it out of ignorance) Anger vs. soul baring. Yes there's emotion in typical hardcore but that emotion isn't in the same ballpark as what is delivered when one listens to End on End or Today Puberty, Tomorrow the World. You aren't gonna listen to Black Flag and go "Man that shit's deep" (or whatever else), its more of "Fuck (insert noun here)."

(Yes I really that last paragraph is very stereotypical but it seemed like the only way to get the point across)

[DilesMavis]

why the fuck do people spend so much time arguing over the meaning of a term that has been universally illegitimate since it was incepted, fucking 20 years later? every time i see one of these arguments, whether we're talking about the original or current applications of the word, i just get so pissed off.

To be honest, the internet is truly the only place where I personally, can have open minded discussions about this. Just let us be.

[ForeverDelayed]

Only reason I joined this site was for the emo forum and once that was gone the quality of people on this site is astonishingly low. Emo threads are the only ones the worthwhile people here post in. Guess that makes me irrelevant that I pick and choose my threads rather than posting all around and gaining e-cred amongst everybody. I'm heartbroken that you think that, truly.


I must have joined after they got rid of all these forums people speak of... but I pretty much joined because of "the REAL emo thread". I was searching for reviews of a few emo CD's I wanted to buy and I found this page. I saw there was a forum so I clicked on it. On the first page was that thread, and it was like a revelation - wow! People really do still know what emo is! I'm not surrounded by brainless Hot Topic kids in MCR shirts! And here's a ton of people punking down said kids! Right then and there I created an account and started posting.

[Nourez]

Linkin Park? Emo? Are you fucking retarded? (PS, no offense or anything, that's just my way of saying "hello")

[shit stroll]

Linkin Park? Emo? Are you fucking retarded? (PS, no offense or anything, that's just my way of saying "hello")
could you name some emo bands for me?

[DaveZeroZero]

Linkin Park? Emo? Are you fucking retarded? (PS, no offense or anything, that's just my way of saying "hello")
You say "hello"? What are you, retarded?

[Nevuk]

I'd heard that Mackaye or Picciotto said recently (in the last 4 or 5 years) that they no longer despise the term emo, although they don't consider Fugazi to be one. Have to remember, the thing where Mackaye said it was a stupid term was 22 years ago, before Fugazi existed.
Really, if Fugazi is emo, then so is Drive Like Jehu and other post-ardcore bands from the time.

[Nevuk]

Fire Party = best revolution summer band.

Edit :
People who argue about the meaning of emo on thanksgiving. All of us must hate our families.

[Nourez]

could you name some emo bands for me?

Rites of Spring, Funeral Dinner, Orchid, etc. for "real" emo.

I also toss in the stuff like SDRE, early JEW, etc.

[brandnizzle2419]

People people people. let us set aside our petty bickering and trying to out-do eachother on emo history knowledge and interpretation thereof. Instead, let's all just come to a consensus that the linkin park thing is just so misinformed it is hilarious.

p.s.-
i love texas is the reez.

[DaveZeroZero]

People people people. let us set aside our petty bickering and trying to out-do eachother on emo history knowledge and interpretation thereof. Instead, let's all just come to a consensus that the linkin park thing is just so misinformed it is hilarious.

p.s.-
i love texas is the reez.
NAMEDROP TIMEZZZZ

[Nevuk]

NAMEDROP TIMEZZZZ
Why are you talking to him?

[RPM1978]

I think Linkin Park is awesome, each album is better than prior, Meteora was better than Hybrid Theory and Minutes to Midnight is better than Meteora and Hybrid Theory, next album will probably make Hybrid Theory sound like a Backstreet Boys CD

[Rodeo]

I think Linkin Park is awesome, each album is better than prior, Meteora was better than Hybrid Theory and Minutes to Midnight is better than Meteora and Hybrid Theory, next album will probably make Hybrid Theory sound like a Backstreet Boys CD


"Let's all point, stare, and laugh, children!"

- Mr. Garrison

[lurker411_k9]

i need to know how or what there new Cd is like before getting it for a friend, open to any comments. mainly is it like the last album wich sucked ass!

No, Minutes to Midnight is not a nu-metal/rap-rock release like Meteora or Hybrid Theory.

It is more alternative rock-ish than their first two releases, and IMO I like it, but it is the worst of the three.

Also, why are you asking here? Go look up the songs on youtube you lazy fuck.

[theguy77]

Only reason I joined this site was for the emo forum and once that was gone the quality of people on this site is astonishingly low. Emo threads are the only ones the worthwhile people here post in. Guess that makes me irrelevant that I pick and choose my threads rather than posting all around and gaining e-cred amongst everybody. I'm heartbroken that you think that, truly.

what the fuck is e-cred? what i mean by you being irrelevant is because you probably saw me arguing with togepi on this topic like 18 months ago and just decide to pop up on here now and call me out on it, like what the fuck where does that even come from?

and if you used ap.net as a routine pastime like i do you'd see how old this same argument gets. like i hate when people use it incorrectly just as much as you do, but its worthless to argue back seeing as people in our generation wouldnt even know or care about real emo if the term didnt get bastardized by the media in the first place, i mean we wouldnt have people finding a very underground scene of music that was local to what, 2 cities, and died before we were old enough to walk. but this applies to both sides, if everyone thinks the term is stupid why does everyone keep throwing it out there? call bands like rites of spring "D.C. hardcore" or "no-violence hardcore" or "mac-pic hardcore" (for mackaye/picciotto), i know my ideas are corny but make up some other catch-phrase that's more specific and that the media wont be tempted to steal. "skramz" works just fine for screamo. the more mainstream music listeners need to realize that depression -- or let me rephrase -- melodrama is not the only fucking display of emotion in the world, so its fruitless to use a term so trivial and vague when it didnt even apply to that in the first place. call all time low whine-rock or rocket-pop or something. that "e" word simply needs to disappear because no one gets it right and everyone hates it.

And with the hardcore thing, it was a completely different take on the hardcore approach. Listen to any 80s hardcore then listen to Rites of Spring/Moss Icon or any other Revolution Summer band, its a stark difference of emotion: (I hate to stereotype both of these this way but you forced it out of ignorance) Anger vs. soul baring. Yes there's emotion in typical hardcore but that emotion isn't in the same ballpark as what is delivered when one listens to End on End or Today Puberty, Tomorrow the World. You aren't gonna listen to Black Flag and go "Man that shit's deep" (or whatever else), its more of "Fuck (insert noun here)."

(Yes I really that last paragraph is very stereotypical but it seemed like the only way to get the point across)

yeah but the latter got the "emotive" tag because clearly there's only one form of real emotion.

it's stupid no matter which way you look at it. picciotto said so himself with the same rhetoric im using.

[DaveZeroZero]

Why are you talking to him?
Because I wanted to post a reply in caps.

[BlinkinDuke]

what the fuck is e-cred? what i mean by you being irrelevant is because you probably saw me arguing with togepi on this topic like 18 months ago and just decide to pop up on here now and call me out on it, like what the fuck where does that even come from?

Because I don't give a shit about this site so I really only remember the stuff that sticks out which is usually togepi reaming someone. You were reamed, thus I remembered (plus it was like 2 or 3 months ago). I don't see what the big fucking deal is.

and if you used ap.net as a routine pastime like i do you'd see how old this same argument gets.

But I don't. And it seems like you're the only one who really cares that someone has no idea what the genre is and we correct them.

like i hate when people use it incorrectly just as much as you do, but its worthless to argue back seeing as people in our generation wouldnt even know or care about real emo if the term didnt get bastardized by the media in the first place,

Who says you have to listen to scene music to enjoy emo? Who says that no one would know about real emo if it wasn't bastardized? Plenty of kids listen to hardcore without the genre being brought up in the media. The implication that the only reason emo is around because the media has no idea what its talking about is fucked on so many different levels.

i mean we wouldnt have people finding a very underground scene of music that was local to what, 2 cities, and died before we were old enough to walk.

You're a fucking idiot. You don't listen to the genre, you don't like anything about the genre, and you know jackshit about it. But you're right, emo was born and died with Guy Picciotto and Rites of Spring. The genre lasted all of 15 shows. Guess all the bands that were playing emo in the last 20 years lied to us as a big joke.

but this applies to both sides, if everyone thinks the term is stupid why does everyone keep throwing it out there?

Because it was an established term before it became bastardized. Sure its stupid, but we know what is being talked about.

call bands like rites of spring "D.C. hardcore"

Because DC is the only place with emo bands and no other types of hardcore music

or "no-violence hardcore"

No

or "mac-pic hardcore" (for mackaye/picciotto),

Yeah, lets name a genre after 2 guys who spent a combined 18 months associated with the genre.

i know my ideas are corny but make up some other catch-phrase that's more specific and that the media wont be tempted to steal. "skramz" works just fine for screamo. the more mainstream music listeners need to realize that depression -- or let me rephrase -- melodrama is not the only fucking display of emotion in the world, so its fruitless to use a term so trivial and vague when it didnt even apply to that in the first place. call all time low whine-rock or rocket-pop or something. that "e" word simply needs to disappear because no one gets it right and everyone hates it.

Why does someone with no involvement in the emo scene feel so determined to kill it? As much as the collective goes around correcting kids, none of us really care that much, its correcting to increase knowledge so kids are more informed. Yeah we think its a stupid name but its not a big deal (except for the fact that I have to explain what I mean, but that takes what 45 seconds?), so if its not a big deal to kids who actually care and take part in the scene why should it matter to someone whose only involvement is bitching about how "emo" is a shitty name for a genre?

yeah but the latter got the "emotive" tag because clearly there's only one form of real emotion.

It wasn't intended to be taken so literal. And like I said, emo covers a broad spectrum of emotions which lends it more credibility than traditional hardcore (or whatever that shit is on the radio thats just whine whine whine).

it's stupid no matter which way you look at it. picciotto said so himself with the same rhetoric im using.

I really don't give a shit what Picciotto says relating to this genre. The guy was in an emo band for like 6 months and he's the spokesman of the genre? If it was someone more involved maybe but this guy was in and out, he had no connection after Rites of Spring ended

[DaveZeroZero]

long post is looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

[Rodeo]

long post is looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.


And repetitive.

[DaveZeroZero]

And repetitive.
Yeah, that too.

[theguy77]

Because I don't give a shit about this site so I really only remember the stuff that sticks out which is usually togepi reaming someone. You were reamed, thus I remembered (plus it was like 2 or 3 months ago). I don't see what the big fucking deal is.

um lets see. some random guy ive never even seen trying to call me out on something that he had no involvement in and didnt actually happen? because that argument that you're talking about had fucking nothing to do with the "emo" genre.

Who says you have to listen to scene music to enjoy emo? Who says that no one would know about real emo if it wasn't bastardized? Plenty of kids listen to hardcore without the genre being brought up in the media. The implication that the only reason emo is around because the media has no idea what its talking about is fucked on so many different levels.

im not saying any of those things. im saying emo is such a tiny subgenre of a subgenre of punk, and since the only time it was prominent in ANY city's music scene was from '85 to '91, i seriously doubt that people our age would know it existed without being familiar with the term due to the mainstream misclassification. no one would get called out on using the term incorrectly becasue they wouldnt use it, no one would try to find the roots of the term because they wouldnt be aware of it.

You're a fucking idiot. You don't listen to the genre, you don't like anything about the genre, and you know jackshit about it. But you're right, emo was born and died with Guy Picciotto and Rites of Spring. The genre lasted all of 15 shows. Guess all the bands that were playing emo in the last 20 years lied to us as a big joke.

wow, irrelevant guy making false assumptions again. i dont have very much of the music but from what ive heard it's actually pretty cool. and i never suggested it died with rites of spring, ive actually done a bit of research cause i was interested and most sources said it stopped being a prominent scene of music anywhere around 1991, when moss icon broke up. im not denying there may have been the occassional bands here and there since then but is there really any focused scene anywhere? just how many bands are playing the music in this day and age?

Because DC is the only place with emo bands and no other types of hardcore music

No

Yeah, lets name a genre after 2 guys who spent a combined 18 months associated with the genre.

the names were based on the origin.

Why does someone with no involvement in the emo scene feel so determined to kill it? As much as the collective goes around correcting kids, none of us really care that much, its correcting to increase knowledge so kids are more informed. Yeah we think its a stupid name but its not a big deal (except for the fact that I have to explain what I mean, but that takes what 45 seconds?), so if its not a big deal to kids who actually care and take part in the scene why should it matter to someone whose only involvement is bitching about how "emo" is a shitty name for a genre?

i dont want to kill the music i want to kill the argument and im sure a bunch of other people do too.

I really don't give a shit what Picciotto says relating to this genre. The guy was in an emo band for like 6 months and he's the spokesman of the genre? If it was someone more involved maybe but this guy was in and out, he had no connection after Rites of Spring ended

right, who gives a fuck what the pioneer of the music has to say about it.

[Cuddleworthy]

"Let's all point, stare, and laugh, children!"

- Mr. Garrison

hahahahah

[DilesMavis]

Eep. This is getting reaaaal ugly now.

[Nevuk]

Eep. This is getting reaaaal ugly now.
You really think so? This is tame as fuck.

[Cuddleworthy]

You really think so? This is tame as fuck.

definitely, no one has even promised to knock someone else's teeth out yet.

[Nevuk]

definitely, no one has even promised to knock someone else's teeth out yet.
I've had more violent drunken brawls.

[DilesMavis]

You really think so? This is tame as fuck.

O. Haha, really? I dunno. I'm still pretty new here and haven't seen any that have gotten worse than this, really, I guess. Whenever I do though I tend to scroll down over them and completely ignore them. I don't really like arguing either unless I feel that someone is talking down to me in a sense.

[DaveZeroZero]

O. Haha, really? I dunno. I'm still pretty new here and haven't seen any that have gotten worse than this, really, I guess. Whenever I do though I tend to scroll down over them and completely ignore them. I don't really like arguing either unless I feel that someone is talking down to me in a sense.
No, they just haven't gotten longer than this. It's tiresome.

[summer skin]

only on ap could you find an argument about the true meaning of emo between a half black, pop punk singer and Cosmo Kramer.

[theguy77]

bahahahaha

jeff have my babies. though im sure youve fucked enough pop-punk singers.

[x togepi x]

im not saying any of those things. im saying emo is such a tiny subgenre of a subgenre of punk, and since the only time it was prominent in ANY city's music scene was from '85 to '91,

wrong. the scene is still doing quite well in europe, and japan, as well as still big enough in the US to warrant pretty prominent reunion shows like Portraits of the Past (which was important enough to warrant 5 days of reunion shows on both coasts that all sold out their respective clubs) and now Swing Kids. People are still putting on "emo/screamo/skramz" fests, I played one last year.

i seriously doubt that people our age would know it existed without being familiar with the term due to the mainstream misclassification. no one would get called out on using the term incorrectly becasue they wouldnt use it, no one would try to find the roots of the term because they wouldnt be aware of it.

also wrong on both accounts. I think you're right when you saya lot of people here who listen to skramz or whatever you want to call it probably wouldn't know about it if not for the media's bastardization, but on the flip side, Rites of Spring was a pretty important band in the history of hardcore. One could even make the claim that the creation of emo/post-hardcore is one of the factors that caused the decline of DC hardcore in the 80s and regionalized the hardcore scene in the east as a more northern phenomena. This means people would still know what emo was, and is.

And people would still be calling people out on mischaracterizations all the time because of the creation of bands like sunny day real estate. or people thinking emo and post hardcore are the same thing. the difference is that instead of like 15 year old kids getting called out, it'd be people in their 20s. meh

, ive actually done a bit of research cause i was interested and most sources said it stopped being a prominent scene of music anywhere around 1991, when moss icon broke up. im not denying there may have been the occassional bands here and there since then but is there really any focused scene anywhere? just how many bands are playing the music in this day and age?

there's actually a really cool video of ian mackaye being interviewed for vice magazine where he talks about how the historiziation of hardcore is something that shouldn't be done because it misunderstands the scenes it talks about. history/media tends to look for easy narratives, ie: Emo started in the mid 80s and died with Moss Icon. That's easy, but in reality, scene's grow and die and new scenes form from that, but that isn't something that really works into a narrative. it's hard to explain that emo died in 1991, then was reborn somewhere else with even more obscure bands that nobody's heard about. I mean, most of the bands in this genre existed for less than 2 years. How do you research that and put it into a nice history of music?

There are plenty of bands playing that kind of music, hell that kind of music has subgenres in itself like the bands that incorporate post-rock. I don't feel like name dropping a bunch of bands, but it's still a fairly active scene. It's just obscure (as it always has been) thus it's easy to say there aren't that many bands (and a lot of them aren't very good). In all reality, there aren't "focused scenes" because most REAL emo bands shun the term, consider themselves punk and play with other punk bands and don't care about sounding different than their peers.

[theguy77]

wrong. the scene is still doing quite well in europe, and japan, as well as still big enough in the US to warrant pretty prominent reunion shows like Portraits of the Past (which was important enough to warrant 5 days of reunion shows on both coasts that all sold out their respective clubs) and now Swing Kids. People are still putting on "emo/screamo/skramz" fests, I played one last year.

also wrong on both accounts. I think you're right when you saya lot of people here who listen to skramz or whatever you want to call it probably wouldn't know about it if not for the media's bastardization, but on the flip side, Rites of Spring was a pretty important band in the history of hardcore. One could even make the claim that the creation of emo/post-hardcore is one of the factors that caused the decline of DC hardcore in the 80s and regionalized the hardcore scene in the east as a more northern phenomena. This means people would still know what emo was, and is.

And people would still be calling people out on mischaracterizations all the time because of the creation of bands like sunny day real estate. or people thinking emo and post hardcore are the same thing. the difference is that instead of like 15 year old kids getting called out, it'd be people in their 20s. meh

there's actually a really cool video of ian mackaye being interviewed for vice magazine where he talks about how the historiziation of hardcore is something that shouldn't be done because it misunderstands the scenes it talks about. history/media tends to look for easy narratives, ie: Emo started in the mid 80s and died with Moss Icon. That's easy, but in reality, scene's grow and die and new scenes form from that, but that isn't something that really works into a narrative. it's hard to explain that emo died in 1991, then was reborn somewhere else with even more obscure bands that nobody's heard about. I mean, most of the bands in this genre existed for less than 2 years. How do you research that and put it into a nice history of music?

There are plenty of bands playing that kind of music, hell that kind of music has subgenres in itself like the bands that incorporate post-rock. I don't feel like name dropping a bunch of bands, but it's still a fairly active scene. It's just obscure (as it always has been) thus it's easy to say there aren't that many bands (and a lot of them aren't very good). In all reality, there aren't "focused scenes" because most REAL emo bands shun the term, consider themselves punk and play with other punk bands and don't care about sounding different than their peers.

oh. haha, every point was pretty well addressed, that all makes sense. i appreciate this.

my main issue was i was just irritated at the fact that people were arguing about it again, and i wanted to jump in and say "based on what ive learned on AP, this and this and this are not emo" but then i took a step back and realized, wait why do i/we care, its not like we're "defending" real emo bands because they hate the term anyway and dont really accept it, they'd rather be just called punk or hardcore bands. so all in all i think that specific genre argument is really pointless to go along with its futility and redundancy.

any recs for some of the good modern bands?

[Nevuk]

Damn, I just realized something. Are Moss Icon and Envy the two longest going emo bands?

And for modern emo, my favorite is probably the japanese Killie, if you can find any of it.

[theguy77]

alright cool i'll search them up

[DilesMavis]

Damn, I just realized something. Are Moss Icon and Envy the two longest going emo bands?

And for modern emo, my favorite is probably the japanese Killie, if you can find any of it.

I'm going to sound like such a dolt if I'm incorrect, but didn't Moss Icon break up a while ago?

[Nevuk]

I'm going to sound like such a dolt if I'm incorrect, but didn't Moss Icon break up a while ago?
Yeah, in 94 or 95, they were the last revolution summer band. That's why I was surprised I hadn't realized.

[DilesMavis]

Yeah, in 94 or 95, they were the last revolution summer band. That's why I was surprised I hadn't realized.

Oh, oops, read that wrong. I thought you meant in the sense of haven't been broken up yet. My badddd. Anyway yeah, I would think so then. :P

[mht]

Eep. This is getting reaaaal ugly now.


your good looks and musical taste are the only things from keeping this thread legitimately ugly.

[Burn That Shit]

only on ap could you find an argument about the true meaning of emo between a half black, pop punk singer and Cosmo Kramer.

/thread

[DilesMavis]

your good looks and musical taste are the only things from keeping this thread legitimately ugly.

:-d LOL! You're too good at this, it's almost suspicious. Hmm. :P

[DilesMavis]

also wrong on both accounts. I think you're right when you saya lot of people here who listen to skramz or whatever you want to call it probably wouldn't know about it if not for the media's bastardization, but on the flip side, Rites of Spring was a pretty important band in the history of hardcore. One could even make the claim that the creation of emo/post-hardcore is one of the factors that caused the decline of DC hardcore in the 80s and regionalized the hardcore scene in the east as a more northern phenomena. This means people would still know what emo was, and is.

Very good point.

[mht]

:-d LOL! You're too good at this, it's almost suspicious. Hmm. :P


haha thread needed a little creepage to keep the balance of the absurd stupid rant posting going on.

[DilesMavis]

Hahah! Makes complete sense. :P

To the dude up there who was wanting to know some bands that are worth checkin' out IMO, What Price, Wonderland? And definitely Daniel Striped Tiger. Oh, and I guess ...Who Calls so Loud, But personally I'd skip it. They don't do anything for me, but they might for you. Definitely sound a lot like Funeral Diner. Australia kinda has a good emo/screamo scene, too atm, in their own way.

[circatbs]

dey waz nvr emo

[x togepi x]

any recs for some of the good modern bands?

off minor, raein, killie, life at these speeds (if you're wanting a throwback to the early stuff), city of caterpillar, older envy, herion, guyver-one, straight no chaser, the assistant (or in first person if you want a current band), i would set myself on fire for you.

not all these bands are current, but they are all bands that existed after 1991.