Which AP.net love fest do you understand the least?

[Me & My Arrow]

I'm sure everyone notices that certain bands seem to get a higher, broader amount of praise on AP, in both the staff's blogs, reviews, and news postings, as well as from the users. I was just wondering which band that has received this increased attention, promotion, and support you are mystified by, as in you can't see how they reached this upper echelon of AP stardom?

For my own part, I think All Time Low is a remarkably mediocre band that has literally nothing going for them except their not-really-funny goof act, I think The Graduate is really solid but definitely not as good as they are made out to be by everyone on here, and I agree with the Lydia praise wholeheartedly.

There are others as well (The Dear Hunter, Moving Mountains, etc.), but these 3 struck me as some of the most mentioned and universally loved.

[anamericangod]

I find this thread offensive.

[Machu505]

I chose Lydia but I meant to choose other.

Copeland wins this for me. That was total shit.

[Machu505]

Lydia is pretty boring though.

[fadedmemories]

What the fuck? I'm sure the ratio of ATL haters to fans is 1:1

[njiata603]

manchester orchestra

[notoaststereo]

i dont really listen to any of these bands. i do have a graduate album and when their songs come up on shuffle i do enjoy them though.


edit: nevermind i was thinking of Gratitude. i dont listen to any of these bands.

[LongDistanceDrunk]

Why is Brand New, Thrice, or Say Anything not in this poll? It's obvious you don't frequent AP enough.

BTW more people on here are ATL haters than fans.

[jay_klinkhammer]

Because Max Bemis IS godly.

[Me & My Arrow]

Why is Brand New, Thrice, or Say Anything not in this poll? It's obvious you don't frequent AP enough.

BTW more people on here are ATL haters than fans.

Hah, I don't feel the need to defend how frequently I'm on the website, but each of those 3 came to mind and I didn't include them because they seem to be more fan favorites and more popular in general. The 3 listed above are lesser-knowns (ATL is arguable at this point) that have been propelled and encouraged through AP promotion.

As for ATL having more haters than fans, I think among the staff they are actually liked by the majority. The users are another story.

Not to mention the fact that I did include an OTHER category for a reason. Any comments on whether you agree or disagree with the praise those 3 bands get on here?

[MADSTA]

I've never listened to Lydia, so I'll say them.

[Say Nothing]

All Time Low is garbage so I went with them

[Oddpac87]

I've never listened to Lydia, so I'll say them.
Worst reason ever? :-) Seriously, you're missing out. Give them a listen.

[skellorock]

i've never really listened to any of those bands, i've heard like one original all time low song, and wasnt impressed, so I'd have to say Brand New, I mean they arent terrible, I probably enjoyed tracks 2-6 on Deja Entendu, but everything else I've heard, I swear I don't understand what the fuss is all about, as people they seem pretty pretentious and full of themselves, and I thought it was hilarious hearing on the AP show that they worship Modest Mouse, and MM said they should "rethink their careers" lol

[ManicanParty49]

I chose Say Anything. In Defense was really bad. A few decent songs, but nothing like Is A Real Boy...and outside of that album, I haven't found anything about them that I find even remotely enjoyable. I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but it's just my opinion.

[LongDistanceDrunk]

Hah, I don't feel the need to defend how frequently I'm on the website, but each of those 3 came to mind and I didn't include them because they seem to be more fan favorites and more popular in general. The 3 listed above are lesser-knowns (ATL is arguable at this point) that have been propelled and encouraged through AP promotion.

As for ATL having more haters than fans, I think among the staff they are actually liked by the majority. The users are another story.

Not to mention the fact that I did include an OTHER category for a reason. Any comments on whether you agree or disagree with the praise those 3 bands get on here?

That perfectly explains your poll. I guess the wording just confused me. I find Lydia very boring but that's because it's slow music. I'm pretty sure they are a great band but not my thing. I actually love ATL and find them and Hit the Lights to be the best two pop-punkish bands to come out it the last 3-4 years. I still think AP is way to in love with Brand New

[LongDistanceDrunk]

i've never really listened to any of those bands, i've heard like one original all time low song, and wasnt impressed, so I'd have to say Brand New, I mean they arent terrible, I probably enjoyed tracks 2-6 on Deja Entendu, but everything else I've heard, I swear I don't understand what the fuss is all about, as people they seem pretty pretentious and full of themselves, and I thought it was hilarious hearing on the AP show that they worship Modest Mouse, and MM said they should "rethink their careers" lol

That is amazing. I am disguisted with hearing about their overrated garbage. Modest Mouse is my favorite band and its great to see an amazing band tell of a mediocre and pretentious band. I'm sure Modest Mouse's music will still be relevant in 20 years but I can't say the same about Brand New.

[anamericangod]

I chose Say Anything. In Defense was really bad. A few decent songs, but nothing like Is A Real Boy...and outside of that album, I haven't found anything about them that I find even remotely enjoyable. I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but it's just my opinion.

I don't think there's a love fest for In Defense of the Genre. That album gets a ton of criticism, and rightfully so.

[ManicanParty49]

I don't think there's a love fest for In Defense of the Genre. That album gets a ton of criticism, and rightfully so.

When it first came out, posts about how amazing it was were as common as air molecules. Not saying that's the case now...but I feel that anything they do in the future will be over-hyped on this website, just like In Defense was early on.

I respect the hell out of Max as a singer/songwriter, and the Say Anything songs that I do enjoy are some of my favorite tracks from any artist that I listen to. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy their music, but I feel that too many people blindly follow people like Jason Tate when it comes to forming an opinion on music which is legit to say because Tate pushed In Defense on this website like crazy.

[Lets-Go-Bowling]

lets be honest, the main reason ATL are so popular here is because Mark Hoppus endorses them.

[Machu505]

I've never listened to Lydia, so I'll say them.

I tried one time. I turned it off and listened to something else by the second song because it got so boring.

[Ryzenfall]

Somebody's talented at stereotyping.

[LamarVannoy]

wtf? since when does anyone around here like ATL?

[derekmoyer4]

I find this thread offensive.
amen brother

[phil19]

i dont think ive heard a song by any of those bands to be honest

[m_rue]

Anberlin got a huge amount of love from this site for a good while, which I never understood.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

All Time Low is garbage so I went with them

What this duder said

[screamoutmyname]

brand new/say anything

[OldJersey]

I don't think there's a love fest for In Defense of the Genre. That album gets a ton of criticism, and rightfully so.

How do you personally feel about IDOTG? I'm guessing from that last sentence you are not a fan either?

[Say Nothing]

What this duder said
Haha thanks for the backup!

[MyWorldEntire]

LOL at people choosing Brand New over All Time Low

[princesschad]

The Graduate.

[mike l]

i am in the boat not understanding the level of say anything love

[mybreakingpoint]

Four Year Strong

[sammyboy516]

brand new.

[LongDistanceDrunk]

brand new.

where is your avatar pic from?

[batmannj]

i voted other. i like brand new, but i don not understand the love fest.

[just.Starla.]

I've never listened to Lydia, so I'll say them.

You should listen to at least one song by them; you might like it.

i voted other. i like brand new, but i don not understand the love fest.

Agreed.

[super rad!]

Sorry but I love atl...lol

[just.Starla.]

Sorry but I love atl...lol
We can tell by your avatar.

[I Shot Chicago]

i actually bought Illuminate by Lydia because of all the AP hype and was thoroughly, thoroughly impressed. i don't think i've stopped playing that album since.
i voted for ATL because they're just in the epicenter of this teeney-poppy crap fad that has hit. we've heard them, and probably a better version of them, before.

[sammyboy516]

where is your avatar pic from?


uhh i think i got it on iconator.com

edit: that wasn't it. sorry, ic an't remmebr where i got it.

[emkvetwin]

surprised no one has mentioned Valencia yet... they get a ton of praise here and i figured someone would have a problem with it. but i don't, WANARTB was a great album.

i'll say ATL, although they definitely have more haters than the other two. The Graduate might be my favorite band of the moment, and i actually heard about them and bought their album a week before joining here. i hadn't heard Lydia until the $1.99 deal, and it's a solid album.

[CTMarshall]

manchester orchestra

I haven't seen Manchester get an extreme amount of praise from AP. Oh, and even if they do then it is well deserved.

[SeanEBoy2686]

Four Year Strong

them


but i'm surprised valencia didn't make the poll... i wouldn't have voted for them, but i know a lot of people debate the praise they get

[super rad!]

We can tell by your avatar.

hence the "lol"

[The Personist]

That is amazing. I am disguisted with hearing about their overrated garbage. Modest Mouse is my favorite band and its great to see an amazing band tell of a mediocre and pretentious band. I'm sure Modest Mouse's music will still be relevant in 20 years but I can't say the same about Brand New.

Brand New >>>>> Modest Mouse. Unless, of course, your thing is pretentious indie pop, in which case I can see your point. It's funny that because MM is your favorite band, you overlook their own insane degree of pretension. At least I can admit that Brand New, one of my favorites, is pretentious to a degree. Way to be jaded.

Kanye West gets an undeserved amount of respect on this site. Talk about pretentious.

[LongDistanceDrunk]

Brand New >>>>> Modest Mouse. Unless, of course, your thing is pretentious indie pop, in which case I can see your point. It's funny that because MM is your favorite band, you overlook their own insane degree of pretension. At least I can admit that Brand New, one of my favorites, is pretentious to a degree. Way to be jaded.

Kanye West gets an undeserved amount of respect on this site. Talk about pretentious.

Modest Mouse aren't even pop dumbass. I'm just curious what Modest Mouse Albums did you listen to? I have heard all three Brand New albums and this the last two were pretty good just not as good as AP thinks they are.

[andrewshungry]

hahah Jack voted Lydia

[SuNDaYSTaR]

Copeland wins this for me. That was total shit.Huh?

[Machu505]

Huh?

I don't like Copeland. A lot on AP like Copeland. I chose Other.

[The Personist]

Modest Mouse aren't even pop dumbass. I'm just curious what Modest Mouse Albums did you listen to? I have heard all three Brand New albums and this the last two were pretty good just not as good as AP thinks they are.

Excuse me, my bad:

Pretentious indie rock. Is that better? I could just say pretentious and leave it at that. I'll do that. They're pretentious.

[oh_heykate.]

hahah Jack voted Lydia

lol, came in here to say this. I would have expected him to vote for his own band.

I voted The Graduate. Just can't get into their music. I dig Lydia and ATL though.

[xBrandNew]

lydia is amazing.

[ElevenElm]

hit the lights/say anything

[xmarksthespot]

four year strong

[bailmeout13]

The Graduate, didn't quite do it for me when I gave them a try. As for an "other" I'd go with Say Anything. Not bad, but doesn't do anything for me.

[Miss Heartcore]

I find this thread offensive.
lollll

[circatbs]

say anything

[LongDistanceDrunk]

Excuse me, my bad:

Pretentious indie rock. Is that better? I could just say pretentious and leave it at that. I'll do that. They're pretentious.

I'm a rooster illusion

[Me & My Arrow]

four year strong

I didn't even think of them; they are RIDICULOUSLY undeserving of the praise they receive. I do not get it.

[fadedmemories]

four year strong
Never!

[taylerx0]

I really love both Lydia and The Graduate, so I went with All Time Low partially because I couldn't think of a sufficient "other" and partially because I didn't like So Wrong, It's Right.

[skellorock]

Brand New >>>>> Modest Mouse. Unless, of course, your thing is pretentious indie pop, in which case I can see your point. It's funny that because MM is your favorite band, you overlook their own insane degree of pretension. At least I can admit that Brand New, one of my favorites, is pretentious to a degree. Way to be jaded.

Kanye West gets an undeserved amount of respect on this site. Talk about pretentious.

Excuse me, my bad:

Pretentious indie rock. Is that better? I could just say pretentious and leave it at that. I'll do that. They're pretentious.


hmmm, how exactly is Modest Mouse pretentious? I mean sure stylistically you can hear some of their influences, and you can't say its any diffrent, if not more so with brand new. Is it cause they can be weird, random, quirky, whatever? That's hardly pretentious, I mean whats next? are TMBG pretentious too? honest obsurdity always beats fake sincerity.

[BJW7191]

say anything.... i cant stand them



i hate them like rev. jesse jackson hates white people


oh, i went there

[xSpillFiction]

I didn't even think of them; they are RIDICULOUSLY undeserving of the praise they receive. I do not get it.

I disagree completely. What makes them "undeserving"?

Anyway, I went with All Time Low because I think their music is unoriginal crap. However, I don't understand all the Lydia love either. I'm sure they're good and whatnot (I don't really listen to them so I can't judge), but from what I've heard by them they're nowhere near as great as people on this site make them seem.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

ATL....I dont like The Graduate either though.

[douchemcbag]

i chose other
fall out boy? i get why they got where they are (take this to your grave) i just dont get why people like theyre newer stuff

[douchemcbag]

I haven't seen Manchester get an extreme amount of praise from AP. Oh, and even if they do then it is well deserved.
they got alot in threads when im like a virgin... first came out, not as much now though im sure by the time the second album comes out itll resurface

[douchemcbag]

, as people they seem pretty pretentious and full of themselves,
jesse lacey most definitly is
as for vinnie, the guitarist, met him once, really down to earth.

[songydarko]

Clearly ATL is overated. The others are great.

[rebekahhh]

lydia is fucking amazing, and the graduate are underrated and extremely excellent live. these two bands really live up to all the praise they get, so i went with ATL.

[skellorock]

in what way are All Time Low supposed to be extrordinary? I mean I dunno much about them, havent listened to alot, but Ive heard things like they're trying to bring back the blink sound or somthing, which soundwise they dont sound really any diffrent than any other blink-influenced band thats come about in the last 10 years, i mean if they're a throwback to anything its more like 03 fob or any of those bands that were pretty interchangeable at the time, lol. I mean these guys arent awful, but they're definatly not special enough to catch my attention.

all in all, blink is an easy influence to spot in a band, but almost, if not impossible to imitate, which is weird, being that they're not terribly complex, so really what set them apart was a certain chemistry

[Me & My Arrow]

I disagree completely. What makes them "undeserving"?

Anyway, I went with All Time Low because I think their music is unoriginal crap. However, I don't understand all the Lydia love either. I'm sure they're good and whatnot (I don't really listen to them so I can't judge), but from what I've heard by them they're nowhere near as great as people on this site make them seem.

I think they are undeserving because their music is unoriginal and bores me.

[hockeyguitar99]

I think they are undeserving because their music is unoriginal and bores me.

Good thing nobody but that guy cares what you think.

I don't know why I'm saying that, I really wanted to, but don't have any sort of problem with you or what you said. I like the band, but what you're saying is understandable

[briewer]

Excuse me, my bad:

Pretentious indie rock. Is that better? I could just say pretentious and leave it at that. I'll do that. They're pretentious.

What the fuck does that even mean? Please, enlighten me, what is it about MM's music that makes them pretentious? Is it because Pitchfork seems to like them? Is it because they are innovative? What exactly did you mean when you wrote that?

[The Personist]

What the fuck does that even mean? Please, enlighten me, what is it about MM's music that makes them pretentious? Is it because Pitchfork seems to like them? Is it because they are innovative? What exactly did you mean when you wrote that?

Because they're nothing special and they think they are. End of story.

I could look up "pretentious" in the OED, post the definition, and use it in a sentence, but that might be a bit much, considering that all I'm saying is that Modest Mouse is overrated and full of themselves.

[skellorock]

Because they're nothing special and they think they are. End of story.

I could look up "pretentious" in the OED, post the definition, and use it in a sentence, but that might be a bit much, considering that all I'm saying is that Modest Mouse is overrated and full of themselves.

so i guess that every band is pretentious, confidence (and unfortunatly arogance sometimes) is part of the game my friend, even humble art-rocker's are gonna have an ego to a certain degree, you can't hope for attention, gotta command it. MM does exactly what they wanna do and arent pretending to be somthing grandiose, the same can't be said for lacey. and if your gonna strut yourself like your a big deal, you sure enough better be like Prince and deliver lol, he might be an arogant friggin nutjob and as hard as it might be for some to admit, he's good at what he does hahaha

and speaking of prince has anyone ever seen/heard Kevin Smith's story about "working with him?" lol classic

[alltimecam]

I love the graduate
but all time low I don't feel are praised that much on this site

[briewer]

Because they're nothing special and they think they are. End of story.

I could look up "pretentious" in the OED, post the definition, and use it in a sentence, but that might be a bit much, considering that all I'm saying is that Modest Mouse is overrated and full of themselves.

No, you don't think they're anything special, and there's a larger amount of people who think they are good (me) than people who think they aren't (you). And the "they think they are" part. Is it common knowledge that MM are full of themselves, because this is the first time I'm hearing it (and you don't like Modest Mouse, putting your judgment highly into doubt). Could I have an objective source confirming it, because as far as I can tell you're in the business of spouting bullshit.

And btw, I don't need to be talked down to. I know what pretentious means, you don't have to look it up for me. I was simply confused/annoyed by you making a judgment about things as subjective as their ability, the way they feel about their ability, and the way other people feel about their ability and then concluding that they are pretentious without anything to back you up but your feelings about the matter. If you're jumping to absurd conclusions without any justification, as you did right there, you might not want to be such an ass when someone gets lost in your shitty logic.

[xSpillFiction]

I think they are undeserving because their music is unoriginal and bores me.

To each his or her own then. I happen to like them haha but I respect your opinion on it. :)

[The Personist]

No, you don't think they're anything special, and there's a larger amount of people who think they are good (me) than people who think they aren't (you). And the "they think they are" part. Is it common knowledge that MM are full of themselves, because this is the first time I'm hearing it (and you don't like Modest Mouse, putting your judgment highly into doubt). Could I have an objective source confirming it, because as far as I can tell you're in the business of spouting bullshit.

And btw, I don't need to be talked down to. I know what pretentious means, you don't have to look it up for me. I was simply confused/annoyed by you making a judgment about things as subjective as their ability, the way they feel about their ability, and the way other people feel about their ability and then concluding that they are pretentious without anything to back you up but your feelings about the matter. If you're jumping to absurd conclusions without any justification, as you did right there, you might not want to be such an ass when someone gets lost in your shitty logic.

You listen to Modest Mouse. YOUR judgment's clouded, too.

This is also the first I've heard they're NOT pretentious.

Your impassioned defense of Modest Mouse is, ultimately, lost on me because I think you're reactionary. I'm just arguing that their response to Brand New's statement of adulation was immature and, well, arrogant as can be.

You're not really providing evidence against my point. I know other people who think they aren't anything special either. But they obviously think they are if they can say things like they did about Jesse's comment regarding them.

[RamInGoreville]

jesse lacey most definitly is
as for vinnie, the guitarist, met him once, really down to earth.

Your user name describes you well!

Hop off J-Lace my friend.

[jetblack1231]

ALL TIME LOW

Runner up: THE MAINE

Your user name describes you well!

Hop off J-Lace my friend.

i'm with that guy. the obsession with jesse deserves some kind of recognition. i will not partake in that douchebaggery.

When it first came out, posts about how amazing it was were as common as air molecules. Not saying that's the case now...but I feel that anything they do in the future will be over-hyped on this website, just like In Defense was early on.

I respect the hell out of Max as a singer/songwriter, and the Say Anything songs that I do enjoy are some of my favorite tracks from any artist that I listen to. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy their music, but I feel that too many people blindly follow people like Jason Tate when it comes to forming an opinion on music which is legit to say because Tate pushed In Defense on this website like crazy.

i agree. most of the stuff jason pushes is complete hogwash anyway

[of_the_rose]

So much anger over personal opinions...

I'm down with The Graduate. It's not the first thing I go to in my ipod or anything but it's alright.

I love Lydia. Always have. "Illuminate" was definitely an amazing record and I think they deserve the attention the receive and more.

[LongDistanceDrunk]

You listen to Modest Mouse. YOUR judgment's clouded, too.

This is also the first I've heard they're NOT pretentious.

Your impassioned defense of Modest Mouse is, ultimately, lost on me because I think you're reactionary. I'm just arguing that their response to Brand New's statement of adulation was immature and, well, arrogant as can be.

You're not really providing evidence against my point. I know other people who think they aren't anything special either. But they obviously think they are if they can say things like they did about Jesse's comment regarding them.

I'm glad other people told you off better than I ever could. Who cares if Issac is arrogant as long as he makes good music. He could say he was better than the Beatles and I could care less because his music speaks for itself. Outside of the AP community the general public could give a fuck less about Brand New but the same couldn't be said of Modest Mouse. Outside of our scene hardly anyone above the age of 30 has probably even heard of Brand New.

[Roboman]

I love The Graduate, I enjoy All Time Low when I'm in a pop-punk mood, and I've hardly listened to Lydia. So....I said Lydia.

[The Personist]

I'm glad I could perpetuate an argument that no one's going to win by further whoring the music of Modest Mouse and hopping on the Brand New hating train. It makes me feel great!

Fixed. And for the record, MM's lyrics are shit compared to Brand New's; that counts for a helluva lot.

[Me & My Arrow]

i just remembered another band to throw on this list: paramore.

after how long now, 2 years? of endlessly hearing about riot! and its awesomeness, i just listened to the album as a whole for the first time two days ago, and it was a massive letdown. it's so standard! what's the deal? hayley's voice is wonderful (although i think it is not used to its full potential by any means and becomes repetitive over the course of the album), but the music is just flat out unexciting, very normal pop punk music, similar to the backing music written for kelly clarkson. i'm not saying they are quite as mainstream, or shallow (although i think clarkson has some of the more solid pop songs on the radio in recent years), but man, riot! does not live up to its praise in any way. i didn't even really get guilty pleasure feelings out of it.

[douchemcbag]

i just remembered another band to throw on this list: paramore.

after how long now, 2 years? of endlessly hearing about riot! and its awesomeness, i just listened to the album as a whole for the first time two days ago, and it was a massive letdown. it's so standard! what's the deal? hayley's voice is wonderful (although i think it is not used to its full potential by any means and becomes repetitive over the course of the album), but the music is just flat out unexciting, very normal pop punk music, similar to the backing music written for kelly clarkson. i'm not saying they are quite as mainstream, or shallow (although i think clarkson has some of the more solid pop songs on the radio in recent years), but man, riot! does not live up to its praise in any way. i didn't even really get guilty pleasure feelings out of it.
yea riot really sucks, but seriously you should listen to all we know is falling, youll gain some respect for them

[Colterj_22]

My god, read Brand New's lyrics, then tell me they suck. Jesse Lacey is an incredible lyricist.
Lydia is terrible, terrible, terrible.
Im also not sure why everyone hates All Time Low so much... it seems like anytime a band gets some attention everyone thinks they suck. Thats just being ignorant.
Im also really sick of people saying "This band isn't original" and "That band isnt original" odds are most bands your listening to ARENT original. If they're playing the music they like and want to play, who gives a shit if its "original" or not. Anything you created and wrote on your own IS original. Regardless.

[alann]

atl

[Me & My Arrow]

My god, read Brand New's lyrics, then tell me they suck. Jesse Lacey is an incredible lyricist.
Lydia is terrible, terrible, terrible.
Im also not sure why everyone hates All Time Low so much... it seems like anytime a band gets some attention everyone thinks they suck. Thats just being ignorant.
Im also really sick of people saying "This band isn't original" and "That band isnt original" odds are most bands your listening to ARENT original. If they're playing the music they like and want to play, who gives a shit if its "original" or not. Anything you created and wrote on your own IS original. Regardless.

i'll assume that bit about originality was somewhat directed at my comments about four year strong. my response is two-fold: first of all, i do see what you're saying about what you create on your own being inherently original in some way, but the originality i'm describing is writing something which isn't blatantly a slightly different spin on the music of your predecessors. it's difficult to actually talk about originality, because its such an abstract thing and technically everything is the product of what came before it, but the problem i have with four letter lie ISN'T that they are unoriginal, because i'll be the first to admit that most of the bands i listen to are definitely unoriginal. it's the one-two punch of being unoriginal AND boring that makes me not want to listen to them. granted, i wouldn't much enjoy listening to an original band that was boring, because that sort of thing doesn't do much for me, but that should at least explain my four letter lie comment: it's the combination.

as for atl, i don't think a lot of people dislike them because they've received attention. this whole thread people have been specifically mentioning bands that HAVE received attention and saying they like them, so that can't be the issue. if you read through what people have said about atl, it seems that most people don't understand their popularity because they sound like they are just aping the formula of bands before them, their music or the "jokester" image they try to create is annoying, or they just flat out don't enjoy listening to the band.

[Colterj_22]

i'll assume that bit about originality was somewhat directed at my comments about four letter lie. my response is two-fold: first of all, i do see what you're saying about what you create on your own being inherently original in some way, but the originality i'm describing is writing something which isn't blatantly a slightly different spin on the music of your predecessors. it's difficult to actually talk about originality, because its such an abstract thing and technically everything is the product of what came before it, but the problem i have with four letter lie ISN'T that they are unoriginal, because i'll be the first to admit that most of the bands i listen to are definitely unoriginal. it's the one-two punch of being unoriginal AND boring that makes me not want to listen to them. granted, i wouldn't much enjoy listening to an original band that was boring, because that sort of thing doesn't do much for me, but that should at least explain my four letter lie comment: it's the combination.

as for atl, i don't think a lot of people dislike them because they've received attention. this whole thread people have been specifically mentioning bands that HAVE received attention and saying they like them, so that can't be the issue. if you read through what people have said about atl, it seems that most people don't understand their popularity because they sound like they are just aping the formula of bands before them, their music or the "jokester" image they try to create is annoying, or they just flat out don't enjoy listening to the band.

I wasn't referring to you, specifically. I was just talking about in general, in all threads i go through. It's just annoying. And i wasnt citing attention as the only reason people don't like all time low. Just another thing i've found is people turn on bands when they do get attention. its unfortunate. And thats what i meant when i said if they enjoy playing that music that the bands before them played, let them play it. They must do it well or better than most at least if they are getting all this attention. And i love the "jokester" image. maybe its cuz i dont take myself to seriously either. But to me, music is about having fun, and enjoying the opportunity you have. And if thats how they do it, good for them. Im not saying everyone should like them. Just don't say you dont like them because they arent "original".

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Fixed. And for the record, MM's lyrics are shit compared to Brand New's; that counts for a helluva lot.

Lyrics are a matter of opinion dude. I guess we'll just disagree on that.