Bright Eyes On Leno - Love It Or Hate It?

[TJ Wells]

Various people's opinions of Bright Eyes (http://www.saddle-creek.com) performance on Leno are posted on the Saddle Creek splash page (http://www.saddle-creek.com). There are some interesting ones, so check them out. If you missed the performance, you can check it out right here (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2670176?htv=1).

[SLADE775]

Bright eyes = discover america = an angle = wishing they were bob dylan = someones gonna hate this

[Cerpin Taxt]

While on one hand I feel like talking shit about how stupid that little splash page is, I feel the need to restrain myself because, quite frankly, that performance WAS great and Saddle Creek should do everything they can to spread the word.

[eXcivory]

oh no liberal propaganda!>!<!#!#!@#@#@ENWLKWFW

OH MY GOD.
the next person that says liberal propaganda is going to get fucking hacked.

[I Shoot Bands]

such a good preformance

[ShoeSh1ne]

"Would like to know how I can ask Mr. Ober (whatever his name is) to come on down to Fort Bragg and sing his little Talk to God song for all our excellent men and women of the 82nd ABN Div. I am sure they'd love to visit with him afterwards.... *rolls eyes* can't believe that people actually like this punk. Just seen his act on Leno... what a moron. - Julie, Ft. Bragg, NC, Home of the 82nd ABN Div"

Dear Julie,

Just because someone doesn't agree with going to war doesn't mean we don't support the troops. You are the moron of the 82nd ABN Div.

[Cerpin Taxt]

"Would like to know how I can ask Mr. Ober (whatever his name is) to come on down to Fort Bragg and sing his little Talk to God song for all our excellent men and women of the 82nd ABN Div. I am sure they'd love to visit with him afterwards.... *rolls eyes* can't believe that people actually like this punk. Just seen his act on Leno... what a moron. - Julie, Ft. Bragg, NC, Home of the 82nd ABN Div"

Dear Julie,

Just because someone doesn't agree with going to war doesn't mean we don't support the troops. You are the moron of the 82nd ABN Div.

Word.

I love that whenever anyone talks shit about people in the military, they always respond with the same canned bully response. Julie's veiled threats only reinforce Connor's message. I think it's sad when, in a demoacratic enviornment such as this, people can't express their opinions about things like this. Are the voices of the pacifics, ,aethists, socialists and anarchists any less valid than those of the people currently serving in the military? Absolutely not.

That said, I don't support that war and I don't support the troops.

[SLADE775]

I think Bush is a moron.........but "when the president talks to god" is one of the worst songs I have ever heard, and the lyrics are just plain stupid.

[Plaidical]

I respect him for having the guts to go up and say this, becuase its very controversial and will lose him a lot of listeners. this is not the thing you want when you're just making it big.

but also. This is a MUSIC PERFORMACE. as a song, that was the worst performance on late night ever. so damn boring and barely music. it was basically a 3 minute long speech without the chance for Leno or anyone else to interrupt him. overall a huge thumbs down. if you want to preach, find some way else to do it.

[Suprhatch614]

I agree with slade on this one...I've never been much of a bright eyes fan, and while Bush may be an idiot, the song itself was terrible...crappy staccatto strumming, and some guy moaning off key...yeah that's really letting your talents shine through...I understand what he's trying to do with the song, but I'm sure he could have written something musically much better (guitar, vox) and still put similar lyrics in....this was pathetic

[rainraindown]

i love the song, dont agree with the subject matter but oh well who cares :)

[Thisisgoodbye]

this was bright eyes first time to play on a late night show, and he picked a horrible song to play. I personaly like the song, but it gave ppl a wrong impression of him if they had never heard him b4. he should have waited till like his second appearance to play it. The song isnt even on n e of the cds so he wasnt even promoting n e thing

[apl.Tyler]

"I want you all at saddle creek to know that i had a tremendous amount of respect for mr. oberst until i saw his performance on jay leno tonight. This man is an idiot. I do not wish to be subject to his political bial or views on atheism. I simply want to hear his music. I will never again support anything that bright eyes, or saddle creek records, does. This display was completely ridiculous. I think that conor should also note, that the only reason he is libral, is because it's the trendy thing to do right now. It's pathetic that the people who claim to be different; those who people like us are supposed to look up to, people who "think for themselves" and are only who they want to be. People that are supposedly good writers and the thinkers of our time, are subject to the fads of the political system. Congradulations conor, you've lost a fan. - Zach"


See above for an idiot... the liberal is the trendy thing to do right now? hahaha.... I think being a neo-conservative biggot is the choice fad right now. I mean, Ann Coulter was on Leno last night for gods sake. Does this guy have a brain. Or is it all a liberal conspiracy to some people? I just dont get it. Send Zach off to war with Julie. Let them see what their president is fighting for. I mean, I can handle their views but this one is just way off. Julie of the 82nd Airborne sounds like a crazed Wal-Mart worker married to a service man. Either that or a roided out female arab hating machine. Are the service men and women honestly brainwashed by all this? It is just sad to me.

[josiahh]

fantastic performance.

[noles05]

this was bright eyes first time to play on a late night show, and he picked a horrible song to play. I personaly like the song, but it gave ppl a wrong impression of him if they had never heard him b4. he should have waited till like his second appearance to play it. The song isnt even on n e of the cds so he wasnt even promoting n e thing
is it that hard to type the word "any"?

[JuneRock]

I myself... Don't think that we should be at war, but I do think it's nice for the troops to be over there fighting and not me... so I do appriciate them and don't want nothing bad to happen to them... Other than that I think this song is amazing... I like the end of it the best... From the video the crowd seemed to like it, and maybe Jay did to, I duno... Neways good luck to conor. Oh and performing this song his 1st time ever on Jay Leno, actually does say alot about Conor... He doesn't care if he has a 2nd performance or if anyone likes him... He used it as a way to get his thoughts out there. not to sell records.

[Craftsy21]

this was bright eyes first time to play on a late night show, and he picked a horrible song to play. I personaly like the song, but it gave ppl a wrong impression of him if they had never heard him b4. he should have waited till like his second appearance to play it. The song isnt even on n e of the cds so he wasnt even promoting n e thing


Not Conor's first time on late night television - they play Craig Kilborn probably almost A year ago(Sing, Sing, Sing, as it was titled then) and held it down --- and this isn't the only political song Conor has written - his whole Wide Awake album is basically one big, more melodic version of this song, so I don't know why anybody is surprised at this --- I think the guy is a fantastic musician and artist and I don't care what anyone else thinks of him.

Oh yeah - here's a link to see that video from Kilborn -- http://www.personal.psu.edu/rpc148/music/downloads/singsing.wmv

[GAD_guy]

Finally

edit: not so sure i like the whole cowboy outfit, although i understand the meaning behind it. but the performance is good.

[itsahoax]

I respect him for having the guts to go up and say this, becuase its very controversial and will lose him a lot of listeners. this is not the thing you want when you're just making it big.

but also. This is a MUSIC PERFORMACE. as a song, that was the worst performance on late night ever. so damn boring and barely music. it was basically a 3 minute long speech without the chance for Leno or anyone else to interrupt him. overall a huge thumbs down. if you want to preach, find some way else to do it.

this is not the thing you want when you're just making it big? come on, he sells out every fucking show he plays. He is big, so Im pretty sure he's not worried about it though I agree another song wouldve been better

[GAD_guy]

Not Conor's first time on late night television - they play Craig Kilborn probably almost A year ago(Sing, Sing, Sing, as it was titled then) and held it down --- and this isn't the only political song Conor has written - his whole Wide Awake album is basically one big, more melodic version of this song, so I don't know why anybody is surprised at this --- I think the guy is a fantastic musician and artist and I don't care what anyone else thinks of him.

Oh yeah - here's a link to see that video from Kilborn -- http://www.personal.psu.edu/rpc148/music/downloads/singsing.wmv

he also played "the trees get wheeled away" on letterman a while ago. the video is on saddle creek's site i believe.

[kissbangkill]

i think a lot of you that're calling this a terrible performance are missing the point. what better venue to spread a message than the tonight show with millions watching? do you honestly think he gives a shit about gaining fans from this performance? probably not. he probably saw a chance to sing a song that is more about the message than the music and bash the president on national television uninterrupted, with millions watching, and he took it. i thought it was pretty cool. i do however, agree that it's not the greatest song ever written. but i think that's kind of the point. he wants you to hear the lyrics, the music isn't so much the important part.

[pbelamy]

Say what you will about the performance, but you have to give him (or Saddle Creek, or whoever is doing it) some props for posting positive as well as negative reviews on that splash page. And unless I'm missing something, the negative reviews aren't even up to be mocked, just to basically say 'hey, some people liked it, some people didn't'. Take it or leave it, it is what it is.

[jkretz]

fucking fantastic.

agreed, musically this isn't the best ever. but that's not the point.

the point was conor got handed a chance to go up there and sell a couple hundred thousand records purely from exposure on national tv.

and what did he do? he played a song not that isn't found on any commercial release, and is available for free on the web. he railed on bush for his 3 minutes in the spotlight, exactly as he has on every other tv appearance.

conor come to pittsburgh, drinks would be on me.


-josh

[cheeruptheEmo]

im not liking the clothes...but other than that i think he did a good preformance even though i dont favor that song. and i have to say i love bright eyes and his music, but just dont prefer that song over the rest. hey has anyone been to the bright eyes/faint show yet?

[Newairrecords]

In all honesty, I just don't find Bright Eyes to be that great. I've listened to the albums, but they don't move me. I'm sure people like them, some of my friends do, but I just can't get into it. He does have guts to do what he did, but not as much guts as when NoFX played Franco Unamerican on Leno. Find a video of it to see what I'm talking about.

[King K Rool]

Yeah, he was pretty bold in playing that song but for the sake of good music, he should've picked a better song.

[imtriff101]

I like bright eyes a lot and it was great that he was on leno, (i guess...) but I just wish he chose a better song...
there are so many other good, less boring songs he could have chose to sing.

[wesgemm08]

liberal propaganda... hahaha man some people really are fox news toolbags

[Josh Lansing]

Connor was wearing my halloween costume from when I was 7 years old for the performance. As for the performance I could have taken a shit and put a microphone next to it and it would have been more interesting.

[wesgemm08]

"Would like to know how I can ask Mr. Ober (whatever his name is) to come on down to Fort Bragg and sing his little Talk to God song for all our excellent men and women of the 82nd ABN Div. I am sure they'd love to visit with him afterwards.... *rolls eyes* can't believe that people actually like this punk. Just seen his act on Leno... what a moron. - Julie, Ft. Bragg, NC, Home of the 82nd ABN Div"


This persons views are completely ridiculous...

1. Conor never attacks the army in any of his lyrics in this song

2. just because you are in the military, doesnt mean you support president bush and the conservative agenda

3. Its obvioulsy going to be an amazing review when you cant even take the time to spell the mans name right

[johnarc]

the performance was brilliant. I've said enough.

[GAD_guy]

there are a couple of these statements on the splash page i find so riduculous i had to say something about them.

"I want you all at saddle creek to know that i had a tremendous amount of respect for mr. oberst until i saw his performance on jay leno tonight. This man is an idiot. I do not wish to be subject to his political bial or views on atheism. I simply want to hear his music. I will never again support anything that bright eyes, or saddle creek records, does. This display was completely ridiculous. I think that conor should also note, that the only reason he is libral, is because it's the trendy thing to do right now. It's pathetic that the people who claim to be different; those who people like us are supposed to look up to, people who "think for themselves" and are only who they want to be. People that are supposedly good writers and the thinkers of our time, are subject to the fads of the political system. Congradulations conor, you've lost a fan."

first, conor has always thought this way and has had several songs (though typically more subtle) that demonstrated similar beliefs. second, when has it ever been trendy to be conservative? it's not like this is a new thing. liberal belifes have played a large part in the youth movements of every decade since the 50's. before that youth did not generally have an opinion one way or the other on politics. why is it "trendy" among youth? becuase to be liberal in some respects is to be open-minded to different people, situations, policies, etc. that is one of the main reasons why people become more and more conservative as they get older. they get stuck into the same routine for so many years that they forget what it means to be open-minded, and just become numb to everything. this is not always the case, but from my experience with my own family, it is. when i talk to my grandparents it's like they don't know anything outside of the small box they have placed themselves in. if i try to verabalize any slightly progressive idea about politics to them, they get angry. this is why older people do not generally prefer to keep up with new technology and things.

"Would like to know how I can ask Mr. Ober (whatever his name is) to come on down to Fort Bragg and sing his little Talk to God song for all our excellent men and women of the 82nd ABN Div. I am sure they'd love to visit with him afterwards.... *rolls eyes* can't believe that people actually like this punk. Just seen his act on Leno... what a moron. - Julie, Ft. Bragg, NC, Home of the 82nd ABN Div"

this is what i hate about so many people in the military. they think that just becuase they are "brave" enough to put their own life on the line to "defend" our country, nobody should be allowed to have any opinion contradictory to theirs. in reality, many of these people are just so desperate to belong to something greater than themselves, or in such great need of approval that they have no problem risking their life to do so. sure most of them i am sure believe everything they are doing is justified. and this is why i don't "support the troops" like everyone says i am supposed to. even most of the people who don't support our reasons for going to war still spout on and on about how they "support the troops" i don't support their reasons for being there, i don't support killing other human beings for any reason. they are there by their own choice. therefore i do not support them. if there was a draft i would of course feel differently towards our troops.

[thecovertcareer]

IDK if I love it or hate it.

[giantasinrobot]

that was simply terrible, he has two albums released together this year and he cant sing a song off one of those?

he might as well just recited it as a poem and left the third grade strumming out of the act. its cool if youre against bush and the war.... but make the contents of your effort a little better.

[johnarc]

there are a couple of these statements on the splash page i find so riduculous i had to say something about them.

"I want you all at saddle creek to know that i had a tremendous amount of respect for mr. oberst until i saw his performance on jay leno tonight. This man is an idiot. I do not wish to be subject to his political bial or views on atheism. I simply want to hear his music. I will never again support anything that bright eyes, or saddle creek records, does. This display was completely ridiculous. I think that conor should also note, that the only reason he is libral, is because it's the trendy thing to do right now. It's pathetic that the people who claim to be different; those who people like us are supposed to look up to, people who "think for themselves" and are only who they want to be. People that are supposedly good writers and the thinkers of our time, are subject to the fads of the political system. Congradulations conor, you've lost a fan."

first, conor has always thought this way and has had several songs (though typically more subtle) that demonstrated similar beliefs. second, when has it ever been trendy to be conservative? it's not like this is a new thing. liberal belifes have played a large part in the youth movements of every decade since the 50's. before that youth did not generally have an opinion one way or the other on politics. why is it "trendy" among youth? becuase to be liberal in some respects is to be open-minded to different people, situations, policies, etc. that is one of the main reasons why people become more and more conservative as they get older. they get stuck into the same routine for so many years that they forget what it means to be open-minded, and just become numb to everything. this is not always the case, but from my experience with my own family, it is. when i talk to my grandparents it's like they don't know anything outside of the small box they have placed themselves in. if i try to verabalize any slightly progressive idea about politics to them, they get angry. this is why older people do not generally prefer to keep up with new technology and things.

"Would like to know how I can ask Mr. Ober (whatever his name is) to come on down to Fort Bragg and sing his little Talk to God song for all our excellent men and women of the 82nd ABN Div. I am sure they'd love to visit with him afterwards.... *rolls eyes* can't believe that people actually like this punk. Just seen his act on Leno... what a moron. - Julie, Ft. Bragg, NC, Home of the 82nd ABN Div"

this is what i hate about so many people in the military. they think that just becuase they are "brave" enough to put their own life on the line to "defend" our country, nobody should be allowed to have any opinion contradictory to theirs. in reality, many of these people are just so desperate to belong to something greater than themselves, or in such great need of approval that they have no problem risking their life to do so. sure most of them i am sure believe everything they are doing is justified. and this is why i don't "support the troops" like everyone says i am supposed to. even most of the people who don't support our reasons for going to war still spout on and on about how they "support the troops" i don't support their reasons for being there, i don't support killing other human beings for any reason. they are there by their own choice. therefore i do not support them. if there was a draft i would of course feel differently towards our troops.

thanks for typing everything I thought but was too lazy to type. you rule.

[MrChainsaw389]

Anyone who liked his performance honestly needs to be institutionalized. It was horrendous. He has absolutely no educated opinion on politics. He was there to sing a song, not to preform his little bullshit speech.

[Tristan Needler]

that was really good, i liked it better when when i saw it in person.

[QTheDangerMusic]

bright eyes sucks, elliot smith is better

[number1alien]

Conor deserves a massive amount of respect for performing that song, considering how critical the public is when anyone remotely well-known publicly pronounces their beliefs. It doesn't matter what he believes, that takes some fucking guts.

[DeadVictoryRose]

Bright eyes = discover america = an angle = wishing they were bob dylan = someones gonna hate this


Ill only semi-hate you for throwing in discover america, I think Chris Staples has had a much more storied and wonderful career than the other two. He's not as succesful, true, but I find him more genuine and real, trying to be the songwriter he is and has been over his career.

I think Bush is a moron.........but "when the president talks to god" is one of the worst songs I have ever heard, and the lyrics are just plain stupid.

Yeah the song is stupid, did anyone really wonder Conor's thoughts on the matter. I am all for free speech, but sometimes people need to know their is also "Free Non Speech." You have the right to keep your mouth shut Conor, use it. And this applies to actors who try to get political as well.

[yeknom]

bright eyes sucks, elliot smith is better

was.

[johnarc]

attn: everyone complaining about this song. you would've really hated the sixties. sayin'.

[DeadVictoryRose]

"I want you all at saddle creek to know that i had a tremendous amount of respect for mr. oberst until i saw his performance on jay leno tonight. This man is an idiot. I do not wish to be subject to his political bial or views on atheism. I simply want to hear his music. I will never again support anything that bright eyes, or saddle creek records, does. This display was completely ridiculous. I think that conor should also note, that the only reason he is libral, is because it's the trendy thing to do right now. It's pathetic that the people who claim to be different; those who people like us are supposed to look up to, people who "think for themselves" and are only who they want to be. People that are supposedly good writers and the thinkers of our time, are subject to the fads of the political system. Congradulations conor, you've lost a fan. - Zach"


See above for an idiot... the liberal is the trendy thing to do right now? hahaha.... I think being a neo-conservative biggot is the choice fad right now. I mean, Ann Coulter was on Leno last night for gods sake. Does this guy have a brain. Or is it all a liberal conspiracy to some people? I just dont get it. Send Zach off to war with Julie. Let them see what their president is fighting for. I mean, I can handle their views but this one is just way off. Julie of the 82nd Airborne sounds like a crazed Wal-Mart worker married to a service man. Either that or a roided out female arab hating machine. Are the service men and women honestly brainwashed by all this? It is just sad to me.

Being a liberal is very trendy in music and art in general, I wouldnt say only now, but at all times. Granted artists lean more that way naturally, but like honestly, who really thought the Rock Against Bush CD's were not ridiculous? I think they both went Gold, and managed to make someone a lot of money, and got Bush's opponent elect... oh wait that's right, Bush won.

attn: everyone complaining about this song. you would've really hated the sixties. sayin'.

in the sixties they were clever and informed songwriters, Conor sits in omaha(I bet he really has a good world view, let alone a view of america as a whole) and drinks a lot. If you wanna be political get involved, don't just try to nail yourself up to a cross like Jesus one day and pretend like you were walking that way your whole life. I make that comparison with no religious context to anything previously said, just a good way to describe people who suddenly are huge activists.

elliot smith is better

truer words have not been spoken

[wesgemm08]

Being a liberal is very trendy in music and art in general, I wouldnt say only now, but at all times. Granted artists lean more that way naturally, but like honestly, who really thought the Rock Against Bush CD's were not ridiculous? I think they both went Gold, and managed to make someone a lot of money, and got Bush's opponent elect... oh wait that's right, Bush won.



in the sixties they were clever and informed songwriters, Conor sits in omaha(I bet he really has a good world view, let alone a view of america as a whole) and drinks a lot. If you wanna be political get involved, don't just try to nail yourself up to a cross like Jesus one day and pretend like you were walking that way your whole life. I make that comparison with no religious context to anything previously said, just a good way to describe people who suddenly are huge activists. truer words have not been spoken



how is it trendy if thats how its been for a long time? thats like me saying its trendy to drive a car and not ride a horse

[Cocky Caucasion]

how is it trendy if thats how its been for a long time? thats like me saying its trendy to drive a car and not ride a horse
I'm not really a bright eyes fan and I don't agree with his political views that much but that performance blew me away. It was amazing. You could tell he was passionate about it and that made it an amazing performance.

[DeadVictoryRose]

how is it trendy if thats how its been for a long time? thats like me saying its trendy to drive a car and not ride a horse

a trend is something that is consistent with niche groups. In example, punk rockers wear spikes and mohawks, this is still true today and was 30 years ago, but is still a trend of them. Just like its trendy for emo kids to wear girls pants, its trendy for sxe kids in utah to beat people up, examples go on.

[Cerpin Taxt]

that was simply terrible, he has two albums released together this year and he cant sing a song off one of those?

he might as well just recited it as a poem and left the third grade strumming out of the act. its cool if youre against bush and the war.... but make the contents of your effort a little better.

Connor is (amoung other things) a folk musician, and this is exactly what American folk musicians do. If you don't like it, that's not really his fault.

[screwtape]

please do not use the word NOT to negate a previous statement as in: 'that performance was great, NOT!!!"

[wesgemm08]

a trend is something that is consistent with niche groups. In example, punk rockers wear spikes and mohawks, this is still true today and was 30 years ago, but is still a trend of them. Just like its trendy for emo kids to wear girls pants, its trendy for sxe kids in utah to beat people up, examples go on.


its not trendy to be liberal tho... that doesnt even make sense

[BrandNewBen]

I think the performance was awsome. Not the best song he's ever sang; but it had meaning. I can't believe he would loose fans over this. It's just a song, and if you couldn't figure out what his views were politicaly by any inetviews he has done or songs he has written than you don't deserve to be his fan anyway.

[Cerpin Taxt]

Being a liberal is very trendy in music and art in general, I wouldnt say only now, but at all times. Granted artists lean more that way naturally, but like honestly, who really thought the Rock Against Bush CD's were not ridiculous? I think they both went Gold, and managed to make someone a lot of money, and got Bush's opponent elect... oh wait that's right, Bush won.



in the sixties they were clever and informed songwriters, Conor sits in omaha(I bet he really has a good world view, let alone a view of america as a whole) and drinks a lot. If you wanna be political get involved, don't just try to nail yourself up to a cross like Jesus one day and pretend like you were walking that way your whole life. I make that comparison with no religious context to anything previously said, just a good way to describe people who suddenly are huge activists.



truer words have not been spoken

1) The Rock Agains't Bush comps didn't say they were going to get Kerry elected, and the fact that Bush won has nothing to do with how lame those comps were.

2) So... Connor sits around Omaha drinking alcohol all the time. Well, I'm glad you have such a nuanced view of this guy's life. Maybe you don't know shit about Connor Oberst's life - ever consider that? He has played numerous benefits and it's very politicially active. In what was is he not politicially involved? What more do you want?

3) Comparing Bright Eyes and Elliot Smith is like comparing Oreos and wine... they have nothing do with each other.

[Chemical Love]

I thought it was good.

[DeadVictoryRose]

its not trendy to be liberal tho... that doesnt even make sense

in the music world these days you could call liberalism a trend of the niche. Im not saying it is or isnt merely pointing out that the word trendy just doesnt mean the same thing as a fad.

[GAD_guy]

just a good way to describe people who suddenly are huge activists.


suddenly? what the hell are you talking about? i mean for one conor has always been politically active. and second, even if that was true, people aren't just born liberals or conservatives. they have to "suddenly" become that way at some point in their life.
although there are valid arguments against conor's way of thinking and his way of communicating his thoughts, yours are nothing near it.

[rescuejeremy]

this was bright eyes first time to play on a late night show, and he picked a horrible song to play. I personaly like the song, but it gave ppl a wrong impression of him if they had never heard him b4. he should have waited till like his second appearance to play it. The song isnt even on n e of the cds so he wasnt even promoting n e thing

Actually he was on Letterman a long time ago... then, too, he showed up with the vinyl version of his album, but played something NOT on the album, again, he played something controversial that won't help him sell more records, something dealing with religion, I don't remember which song, though.

Gotta hand it to him, he's got balls and he isn't doing it to sell records. I know people either love him or hate him, but that was one of the best performances I've seen on Leno, and the ones who said it was boring, it was more complex and interesting than pop-punk bands when they go on late shows. It had something to say, at the very least.

Also, nobody gets mad when Dennis Miller goes on late shows and talks bad about the Clintons.

Why is that?

-John McKay
(not Jeremy Crawford)

[DeadVictoryRose]

1) The Rock Agains't Bush comps didn't say they were going to get Kerry elected, and the fact that Bush won has nothing to do with how lame those comps were.

2) So... Connor sits around Omaha drinking alcohol all the time. Well, I'm glad you have such a nuanced view of this guy's life. Maybe you don't know shit about Connor Oberst's life - ever consider that? He has played numerous benefits and it's very politicially active. In what was is he not politicially involved? What more do you want?

3) Comparing Bright Eyes and Elliot Smith is like comparing Oreos and wine... they have nothing do with each other.

settle down there buddy. I was attacking those lame comps and just making a joke about it, I thought it was funny the only thing they did was make a lot of money for who? D.oes anyone know where that money went. Im pretty sure the point of them was to get Bush not re-elected, hence i said opponent, not Kerry. So it failed at its goal, yet made someone very rich, hmmm people getting rich off a trend.

I was poking fun at Conor, obviously he travels/tours so he sees part of the world. I just prefer him as the character in the emo game, its much funnier that way. But I will point out, I do not take you that seriously as your grammar/spelling is terrible. It's actually quite hard to understand what you are saying. My point is mostly seperate yr music and yr preaching, if you want to give a speech, give one, but don't just sing us a speech because no one would listen if you just talked. The bottomline is his music has not been very controversial/political so coming across this way now seems rather trendy. That is why people are upset, they listen to Bright Eyes for the music and his lyrics, and then a song like this is sung? He could have been more clever, taken more time, and done something I respect. In example Kevin Devine has a song called "No Time Flat" that he has been playing on tour, and I believe is on the new record, and it is obviously quite political. And while I don't agree with everything, he continued being a great songwriter throughout it all, not compromising things just for a message.

Bright Eyes and Elliot Smith, both singular musicians, both singer/songwriters, both share a lot of influences, both deal fame in interesting ways, Both were in a band before they started a succesful solo career, both have cult underground followings. Yeah so would you like to dip the oreo's in the wine or what?

[road to joy]

Anyone who liked his performance honestly needs to be institutionalized. It was horrendous. He has absolutely no educated opinion on politics. He was there to sing a song, not to preform his little bullshit speech.

Ironically enough, YOU don't have any more of an educated opinion on politics, yet you are still allowed to talk, right? Its not the right of any person any where to decide "who is educated enough to talk." If you don't want to hear it, turn it off, but Conor sells albums; thus, he is asked to go on shows like Leno, and if he wants to use that time to bake a fucking cake, then that's his choice. Same as when I see Ann Coulter spouting off some completely unbased digression against Canada or people who aren't aryan, turn off the TV if you don't want to see it.

Yeah the song is stupid, did anyone really wonder Conor's thoughts on the matter. I am all for free speech, but sometimes people need to know their is also "Free Non Speech." You have the right to keep your mouth shut Conor, use it. And this applies to actors who try to get political as well.

Sure, they have the right to keep their mouth shut, but I believe you do too...doesn't mean you will want to or that you think you should, even if I think that based on this mini paragraph alone you probably have the IQ of a warm stick. Actors are given air-time because people DO want to hear their opinions; if not, shows like Larry King Live, all Late Night talk shows, and Barbara Walters would not exist. So if you really want to make a difference instead of making complaints that no one important will hear, don't watch it. Its not very difficult, you know.

Being a liberal is very trendy in music and art in general, I wouldnt say only now, but at all times. Granted artists lean more that way naturally, but like honestly, who really thought the Rock Against Bush CD's were not ridiculous? I think they both went Gold, and managed to make someone a lot of money, and got Bush's opponent elect... oh wait that's right, Bush won.

Yes, being liberal is trendy in music and art, but so is being conservative. I think that saying that "liberalism" is popular in music is a very short-sighted view, because when you say that, you are essentially looking at variations of rock and roll; to describe rock musicians as liberal is redundant, because the concept of experimentation and creativity largely goes along with liberal views. Were conservatives less....conservative and over-zeaously religious, I have no doubts that more musicians and artists would side with their views on economics and such. However, as long as conservatives largely believe in restricting behavior and forms of self-expression that are prominent in these types of music, liberalism is going to be popular.

And your point that the Rock Against Bush CD's were useless is completely moot; I have no doubts that if I made the argument that fighting al Qaeda was and is "ridiculous" because Osama bin Laden is still alive, you would laugh in my face. Just because the odds are against you doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

Edit: DeadVictoryRose must have posted while I was typing my reply...so I don't think my bit about Rock against Bush still applies. However, as for Conor being consistently political, I would maybe recommend a band called "Desaparecidos" that conor may or may not have been in....

[GAD_guy]

The bottomline is his music has not been very controversial/political so coming across this way now seems rather trendy.
you obviously don't listen to much of his music. don't make a statement like this unless you have at least a mild knowledge of what you are talking about.

[DeadVictoryRose]

suddenly? what the hell are you talking about? i mean for one conor has always been politically active. and second, even if that was true, people aren't just born liberals or conservatives. they have to "suddenly" become that way at some point in their life.
although there are valid arguments against conor's way of thinking and his way of communicating his thoughts, yours are nothing near it.

...and quoting one part of what im saying isnt a valid way of arguing either. My point was discussing trends in music to be liberal not just connor, many artists. Im not attacking Connor, Im attacking the idea of musicians using music for an agenda. I just disagree with it, and think far too often it makes them look stupid.

By the way yr insults are really clever and exciting. I could care less yr opinion on my arguments against connor, I have no arguments against him, I think musicians doing things like this are stupid, not connor. I respect and buy his music when it's good, and I don't listen when it's bad, it's a good way to live, more people should try that.

Here is my biggest fear, connor(or insert like fat mike, or another political musician) is an idol to a lot of young kids. Now these kids love their music and think _______ can do no wrong, so they start accepting the beliefs without knowing what they are believing in. Be it liberal or conservative beliefs it doesnt matter, but this sort of thing happens, artists should be encouraging kids to enlighten themselves(which many do) as opposed to just feeding them their opinion. In a position of fame that is the responsible thing to do.

[TaySavesTheDay]

I don't feel like typing a huge article right now, plus I think people are doing a much better job at doing that than me right now (GAD Guy was one i saw in particular).

well anyways, Conor has always been very outspoken in public events about his beliefs. Last year for my music and subculture class i wrote an essay on "Let's not shit ourselves" and that is a pretty damn political song if you ask me. It may not be pointed directly at one person, but it definitely gets his point across.

Secondly, he played at an awards ceremony a few years back I believe. and at the end he spoke out against Clear Channel, and said that there will be no music anymore if we continue to let it be shoved down our f-ing throats. I think i got the quote almost directly. If anyone wants me to find the article, just IM me.

[Cerpin Taxt]

settle down there buddy. I was attacking those lame comps and just making a joke about it, I thought it was funny the only thing they did was make a lot of money for who? D.oes anyone know where that money went. Im pretty sure the point of them was to get Bush not re-elected, hence i said opponent, not Kerry. So it failed at its goal, yet made someone very rich, hmmm people getting rich off a trend.

I was poking fun at Conor, obviously he travels/tours so he sees part of the world. I just prefer him as the character in the emo game, its much funnier that way. But I will point out, I do not take you that seriously as your grammar/spelling is terrible. It's actually quite hard to understand what you are saying. My point is mostly seperate yr music and yr preaching, if you want to give a speech, give one, but don't just sing us a speech because no one would listen if you just talked. The bottomline is his music has not been very controversial/political so coming across this way now seems rather trendy. That is why people are upset, they listen to Bright Eyes for the music and his lyrics, and then a song like this is sung? He could have been more clever, taken more time, and done something I respect. In example Kevin Devine has a song called "No Time Flat" that he has been playing on tour, and I believe is on the new record, and it is obviously quite political. And while I don't agree with everything, he continued being a great songwriter throughout it all, not compromising things just for a message.

Bright Eyes and Elliot Smith, both singular musicians, both singer/songwriters, both share a lot of influences, both deal fame in interesting ways, Both were in a band before they started a succesful solo career, both have cult underground followings. Yeah so would you like to dip the oreo's in the wine or what?


Hey man, your spelling/grammar is pretty fucked up too. ;)

It's better if you let the oreos soak for a little while.

[DeadVictoryRose]

Yes, being liberal is trendy in music and art, but so is being conservative. I think that saying that "liberalism" is popular in music is a very short-sighted view, because when you say that, you are essentially looking at variations of rock and roll; to describe rock musicians as liberal is redundant, because the concept of experimentation and creativity largely goes along with liberal views. Were conservatives less....conservative and over-zeaously religious, I have no doubts that more musicians and artists would side with their views on economics and such. However, as long as conservatives largely believe in restricting behavior and forms of self-expression that are prominent in these types of music, liberalism is going to be popular.


That is exactly what I was talking about, it is trendy in a particular niche, and has been for a while, and the reasons being Im pretty sure I listed as well, as artists are normally leaning towards liberals. I will however say at this point in time the bands the youth is listening are leaning far more towards liberals, I know of only one who I have heard with my ears support Bush(jimmy Eat World). Please see my post above this about my fear of musicians effects on their fans beliefs, it pretty much sums up what im saying, and applies to liberal and conservative. Im not on the opposing side, im on the side of people making opinions for themselves. And no I am not saying Connor doesnt make his own opinion, chill out.

[sandpaper_silk]

i dont exactly agree with what he believes, but that was an amazing preformance.

[DeadVictoryRose]

you obviously don't listen to much of his music. don't make a statement like this unless you have at least a mild knowledge of what you are talking about.

Ive listened to and own every album he has put out, including Des. and such. Granted I am not his number one fan. However, I have never really felt much political ideas in his writings previously, maybe because it was veiled and more clever, and in a way I could take it in better. I think this song is out of his nature, its flagrantly attacking, which I think Connor is usually more veiled.

Hey man, your spelling/grammar is pretty fucked up too. ;)

It's better if you let the oreos soak for a little while.

I know, I was like damn, ive had like 10 posts on this thread that spelling thing is gonna come back to kick my ass. But it was only sarcasm after all.

[GAD_guy]

...and quoting one part of what im saying isnt a valid way of arguing either. My point was discussing trends in music to be liberal not just connor, many artists. Im not attacking Connor, Im attacking the idea of musicians using music for an agenda. I just disagree with it, and think far too often it makes them look stupid.

By the way yr insults are really clever and exciting. I could care less yr opinion on my arguments against connor, I have no arguments against him, I think musicians doing things like this are stupid, not connor. I respect and buy his music when it's good, and I don't listen when it's bad, it's a good way to live, more people should try that.

Here is my biggest fear, connor(or insert like fat mike, or another political musician) is an idol to a lot of young kids. Now these kids love their music and think _______ can do no wrong, so they start accepting the beliefs without knowing what they are believing in. Be it liberal or conservative beliefs it doesnt matter, but this sort of thing happens, artists should be encouraging kids to enlighten themselves(which many do) as opposed to just feeding them their opinion. In a position of fame that is the responsible thing to do.


don't take offense to what i say. something as outspoken as this performance deserves a good argument. but you are missing the POINT of music. music is supposed to be a product of self-expression, as is all art. if there weren't bands and artists out there expressing their personal political or other beliefs, all we would have would be a bunch of sappy break up/love songs.. not that a song about breaking up isn't nice every once in a while. the fact that conor's music may influence an impressionable kid should not be a reason for him to censor himself, especially if being open in his beliefs can make a real difference. if some young kid is nieve enough to just do whatever some artist he/she likes then be glad he/she is listening to somebody who actually cares instead of some big brainwashing corporation like mtv.

[freakishandazed]

Ive listened to and own every album he has put out, including Des. and such. Granted I am not his number one fan. However, I have never really felt much political ideas in his writings previously, maybe because it was veiled and more clever, and in a way I could take it in better. I think this song is out of his nature, its flagrantly attacking, which I think Connor is usually more veiled.


you my friend, have never really listened to any of the albums you own.

I want to pledge allegiance to the country where I live
I don't want to be ashamed to be American
But opportunity no, it don't exist
It's the opiate of the populace
We need some harder shit now
The truth is getting around
And each public school is a halfway house
Where the huddled masses sober up and up enough There's not enough to fatten the cows
And feed all of us
It's just a rationing of luck
What can't be bought gets raffled off
Oh God good God shed greed on thee
Your shining sea turned a dirty green
From the industry off the shores of New Jersey
I got a letter from the army
So I think that I'll enlist
I'm not brave or proud of nothing
I just want to kill something
-Happiest Place on Earth by conor oberst

There are no art forms now just capitalism so send the national guard to the mall of america
-mall of america by conor oberst

I should stop pointing fingers;
reserve my judgment of all those public action figures, the cowboy president.
So loud behind the bullhorn so proud they can't admit when they have made a mistake.
While poison ink spews from a speechwriter's pen, he knows that he doesn't have to say it,
so it don't bother him. "Honesty" "Accuracy" are really just "Popular Opinion."
And the approval rating is high, so someone is going to die. ABC, NBC, CBS: Bullshit.
-lets not shit ourselves by conor oberst

And in this endless race for property and privilege to be won
We must run, we must run, we must run
-at the bottom of everything by conor oberst



he is a political folk singer. the performance is in the vein of masters of war or any great protest song with minimal instrumentation and enough fire, intensity, and meaning to make up for it and to deliver a message.

[DeadVictoryRose]

don't take offense to what i say. something as outspoken as this performance deserves a good argument. but you are missing the POINT of music. music is supposed to be a product of self-expression, as is all art. if there weren't bands and artists out there expressing their personal political or other beliefs, all we would have would be a bunch of sappy break up/love songs.. not that a song about breaking up isn't nice every once in a while. the fact that conor's music may influence an impressionable kid should not be a reason for him to censor himself, especially if being open in his beliefs can make a real difference. if some young kid is nieve enough to just do whatever some artist he/she likes then be glad he/she is listening to somebody who actually cares instead of some big brainwashing corporation like mtv.

Yes but I think artists must do their part to make sure they are encouraging free thought. Again not saying Conor does not, I am on all musicians now. I agree with yr points, but I feel an artist should take into mind the naive out there in the world, and definitely be strong in their beliefs and outspoken, but also have some fliers or websites available to let the kids get more info, and ideally as in any good arguement see both sides to the issues. I hate when anyone is one sided, be it conservative or liberal, and far too many people fall for it. Unfortunately, not everyone in the world is privy to enlightening dicsussions such as these. A lot of people believe in Bush simply because he is Christian, stuff like this happens all the time, I mean have you ever seen the Christian Contemporary Music Sales numbers, people support terrible bands because they associate themselves with a belief. Sorry for picking 2 religious things there, I dont wanna turn this into religion speak. But they are good examples of people not getting all the facts, or supporting something for a stupid reason. Far too many people in our world act mindless a lot.

[GAD_guy]

Ive listened to and own every album he has put out, including Des. .

alot of it has at least a mild amount of political undertone. 'i'm wide awake, it's morning' was, as has been said previously in this thread, pretty much "when the president talks to god" with more subtlety spread out over an entire record. and the desaparecidos record he did is the most politically charged album ever put out by saddle creek. the entire album is a protest of the urban sprawl and wave of conservatism taking over our nation. what do you think "read music, speak spanish" means?

[Cerpin Taxt]

I know, I was like damn, ive had like 10 posts on this thread that spelling thing is gonna come back to kick my ass. But it was only sarcasm after all.

Spelling is for losers anyway.

I didn't mean to jump on top of you before, by the way, I just wanted to address your points in a systematic way.

I still don't agree with the whole Elliot Smith / Bright Eyes analogy, but if you really want to go there, I have to agree with you that Smith makes Connor look like a child. Therefore...

Elliot Smith = Wine
Connor Oberst = Oreos

[DeadVictoryRose]

you my friend, have never really listened to any of the albums you own.

I want to pledge allegiance to the country where I live
I don't want to be ashamed to be American
But opportunity no, it don't exist
It's the opiate of the populace
We need some harder shit now
The truth is getting around
And each public school is a halfway house
Where the huddled masses sober up and up enough There's not enough to fatten the cows
And feed all of us
It's just a rationing of luck
What can't be bought gets raffled off
Oh God good God shed greed on thee
Your shining sea turned a dirty green
From the industry off the shores of New Jersey
I got a letter from the army
So I think that I'll enlist
I'm not brave or proud of nothing
I just want to kill something
-Happiest Place on Earth by conor oberst

There are no art forms now just capitalism so send the national guard to the mall of america
-mall of america by conor oberst

I should stop pointing fingers;
reserve my judgment of all those public action figures, the cowboy president.
So loud behind the bullhorn so proud they can't admit when they have made a mistake.
While poison ink spews from a speechwriter's pen, he knows that he doesn't have to say it,
so it don't bother him. "Honesty" "Accuracy" are really just "Popular Opinion."
And the approval rating is high, so someone is going to die. ABC, NBC, CBS: Bullshit.
-lets not shit ourselves by conor oberst

And in this endless race for property and privilege to be won
We must run, we must run, we must run
-at the bottom of everything by conor oberst



he is a political folk singer. the performance is in the vein of masters of war or any great protest song with minimal instrumentation and enough fire, intensity, and meaning to make up for it and to deliver a message.

like i said perhaps it is because they are usually far more clever, and general comments on society, not personal attacks. it just was overwhelming for me and stood apart from his other music, like i said Im not a huge fan, I dont relate to his music in ways I do to people Like Elliot Smith's, so I am not one to lecture on how political he is. Forgive me if i appeared that way, I only meant to state it seems out of context for how his lyrics normally are.

[GAD_guy]

Yes but I think artists must do their part to make sure they are encouraging free thought. Again not saying Conor does not, I am on all musicians now. I agree with yr points, but I feel an artist should take into mind the naive out there in the world, and definitely be strong in their beliefs and outspoken, but also have some fliers or websites available to let the kids get more info, and ideally as in any good arguement see both sides to the issues. I hate when anyone is one sided, be it conservative or liberal, and far too many people fall for it. Unfortunately, not everyone in the world is privy to enlightening dicsussions such as these. A lot of people believe in Bush simply because he is Christian, stuff like this happens all the time, I mean have you ever seen the Christian Contemporary Music Sales numbers, people support terrible bands because they associate themselves with a belief. Sorry for picking 2 religious things there, I dont wanna turn this into religion speak. But they are good examples of people not getting all the facts, or supporting something for a stupid reason. Far too many people in our world act mindless a lot.

i agree. this is why before the election he, along with most other politically active bands, were outspoken about their own beliefs but emphsized that they were just that - their own beliefs. and encouraged them to make their voices heard and vote, no matter who it was for.

[DeadVictoryRose]

alot of it has at least a mild amount of political undertone. 'i'm wide awake, it's morning' was, as has been said previously in this thread, pretty much "when the president talks to god" with more subtlety spread out over an entire record. and the desaparecidos record he did is the most politically charged album ever put out by saddle creek. the entire album is a protest of the urban sprawl and wave of conservatism taking over our nation. what do you think "read music, speak spanish" means?

great points, see my last post. I guess I just feel this was extreme maybe? Like just not the way I would have guessed he would deliver his message. I thought he could have done it better is all. i think his comments on our social condition are just about the most fascinating an artist can say, I think he speaks well on this subject.

Spelling is for losers anyway.

I didn't mean to jump on top of you before, by the way, I just wanted to address your points in a systematic way.

I still don't agree with the whole Elliot Smith / Bright Eyes analogy, but if you really want to go there, I have to agree with you that Smith makes Connor look like a child. Therefore...

Elliot Smith = Wine
Connor Oberst = Oreos

hahahaha

i was just listening to Elliot, and I miss that man's presence.

i agree. this is why before the election he, along with most other politically active bands, were outspoken about their own beliefs but emphsized that they were just that - their own beliefs. and encouraged them to make their voices heard and vote, no matter who it was for.

yeah i felt most artists did, but the rock agaist bush thing i felt was stupid. I don't think its good practice to be against things, be for something, whatever it may be. I think we all know where being against something gets you if it is your beliefs. It just doesn't actually show what you stand for. i just hope artists keep this up, and like i said, was never implying conor tries to brainwash people, just pointing out how gullible and ready to be brainwashed people are.

and by the way, scene points for everyone being political. Its soooooo scene. hahahahaha.

[johnarc]

above I read desaparecidos lyrics, and I became a very happy person.

[TheOldJostler]

My point is mostly seperate yr music and yr preaching....

yr? Hunter S. Thompson, is that you?



;)

[GAD_guy]

above I read desaparecidos lyrics, and I became a very happy person.

haha yeah. they need to make another album.

[Cerpin Taxt]

haha yeah. they need tro make another album.

In my opinion, Desaparecidos is the best thing Connor has ever done... at least on recording anyway.

[johnarc]

haha yeah. they need to make another album.
they were supposed to. those bastards.

[GAD_guy]

they were supposed to. those bastards.

yeah i heard something about denver dalley (who does statistics) and conor getting into a fight or something?

[bottledregrets]

Yes, I was one of the victims that had to just simply flip through the channels and see Bright Eyes talking out of his asshole for 3 minutes straight. He sounded horrible and I can't believe Jay actually let him go on. Worst performance I have EVER seen! I have never been into bright eyes and I am glad, what an embarressment.

[Cerpin Taxt]

Yes, I was one of the victims that had to just simply flip through the channels and see Bright Eyes talking out of his asshole for 3 minutes straight. He sounded horrible and I can't believe Jay actually let him go on. Worst performance I have EVER seen! I have never been into bright eyes and I am glad, what an embarressment.

Do you think you could be a little more specific as to your dislike of his performance?

[bottledregrets]

simply no talent. Issue he was talking about was his opinion, which I did not agreee with, but he is entitled to that. He did have guts for getting up there and saying what he did, but half of the time you had to sit there trying to put pieces together to get what he saying. His voice was horrible and he hardly even played his guitar, stupid if you ask me.

[Name]

if i had the chance, i would snap that punk kids neck after talking to him and explaining how misguided he is and after that long conversation, i would snap his neck because bright eyes is a little bitch boy

oh, and it doesnt take guts to do what he did, all his fans already suck that shit down and everyone in hollywood was probably masterbating to that song

what takes guts is an artist backing the president, because all their little teeny bopper fans are going to have to second guess all the shit that nofx and antiflag and rich actors have been shoveling down their throat

[prettydarncool]

this was bright eyes first time to play on a late night show, and he picked a horrible song to play. I personaly like the song, but it gave ppl a wrong impression of him if they had never heard him b4. he should have waited till like his second appearance to play it. The song isnt even on n e of the cds so he wasnt even promoting n e thing

i haven't read all of the replies, so i don't know if this has already been said, but ..

i don't think he was really trying to promote himself or his CDs that night.. i don't think that was really what he cared about.

i think the lyrics to this song are great, whether you agree with the message or not.

[cris545]

love it

[prettydarncool]

im not liking the clothes...but other than that i think he did a good preformance even though i dont favor that song. and i have to say i love bright eyes and his music, but just dont prefer that song over the rest. hey has anyone been to the bright eyes/faint show yet?

i have, in seattle. and it was amazing. he pretty much only plays songs from the "digital" albume though.. so just be prepared for that if you're going. don't expect any older songs or any songs from "i'm wide awake"..

Ill only semi-hate you for throwing in discover america, I think Chris Staples has had a much more storied and wonderful career than the other two. He's not as succesful, true, but I find him more genuine and real, trying to be the songwriter he is and has been over his career.



Yeah the song is stupid, did anyone really wonder Conor's thoughts on the matter. I am all for free speech, but sometimes people need to know their is also "Free Non Speech." You have the right to keep your mouth shut Conor, use it. And this applies to actors who try to get political as well.

what the hell is "free non speech?" .. that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard..

[Sureshot182]

minus politics and anything else that was a bad performance..but i think that is what makes bright eyes what is is. and conor.. "Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends" ,"I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God" thanks for speaking for God. Horrible.

[prettydarncool]

minus politics and anything else that was a bad performance..but i think that is what makes bright eyes what is is. and conor.. "Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends" ,"I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God" thanks for speaking for God. Horrible.

you definitely missed the message of the song.

the song is called "when the president talks to God", not "what God says to do".. conor is basically singing about different things the president has proposed to do, what he has done in the past, and his beliefs.. and is asking the question "is this what God is telling him to do?", since the president is so religious and that has really been apparent during his presidency.

he wasn't saying that this is what God is saying to do, but instead how the president is interpreting his 'conversations' with God.

so, in reality, he was speaking for the president, not God.

[DeadVictoryRose]

yr? Hunter S. Thompson, is that you?



;)


yr stems far deeper than hst my friend, he was just one of the many, and not the first.




what the hell is "free non speech?" .. that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard..

you just don't get it, i will label all elements of sarcasm from now on. it's supposed to be ridiculous.

[tambo41187]

if i had the chance, i would snap that punk kids neck after talking to him and explaining how misguided he is and after that long conversation, i would snap his neck because bright eyes is a little bitch boy

oh, and it doesnt take guts to do what he did, all his fans already suck that shit down and everyone in hollywood was probably masterbating to that song

what takes guts is an artist backing the president, because all their little teeny bopper fans are going to have to second guess all the shit that nofx and antiflag and rich actors have been shoveling down their throat

you act like the only reason he acts this way is to try and live up to an image, grow up and accept that people have diffrent opinons than you. Did it take guts...maybbe not does it matter. he feels passianly about something than i have no problem with him speaking his mind. "How misguided he is?" thats bullshit and you know it, just cuz he has a diff. opion than you does not mean he is ignorant. guess what if u dont like wat he is saying then dont listen to him and stop bitching.

and it doesnt take guts to bak pres. bush, ur poltical views are your own and should not affect your record sales or how fans judge you.

[AlkTrio205]

That is exactly what I was talking about, it is trendy in a particular niche, and has been for a while, and the reasons being Im pretty sure I listed as well, as artists are normally leaning towards liberals. I will however say at this point in time the bands the youth is listening are leaning far more towards liberals, I know of only one who I have heard with my ears support Bush(jimmy Eat World). Please see my post above this about my fear of musicians effects on their fans beliefs, it pretty much sums up what im saying, and applies to liberal and conservative. Im not on the opposing side, im on the side of people making opinions for themselves. And no I am not saying Connor doesnt make his own opinion, chill out.

Are you sure about that?

"The song is about George W. Bush, yeah. It's about being dissatisfied with how things are going and about greed taking over," frontman Jim Adkins said. "The speakers [in the song] are coming from a place where they've done everything right — a successful career, financial stability — but they're still getting squashed by the larger greed. They're taking it to the man."

"We're all political," drummer Zach Lind added. "And ['Futures'] definitely references the idea that it would be great to have a change in the White House in November. It would be irresponsible not to look into what's going on and not do things that counteract any sort of injustice you feel is going on."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492703/20041018/story.jhtml

[giantasinrobot]

attn: everyone complaining about this song. you would've really hated the sixties. sayin'.
maybe if this iraq war was similar to vietnam i would agree.... but vietnam was 20 times worse.

D+ for effort though.

[Craftsy21]

maybe if this iraq war was similar to vietnam i would agree.... but vietnam was 20 times worse.

D+ for effort though.

yeah, because I'll bet you were alive during 'nam. So many people in this thread are talking out of their asses it's not even funny... if you don't know something, don't pretend to.

[Bikeage]

"Would like to know how I can ask Mr. Ober (whatever his name is) to come on down to Fort Bragg and sing his little Talk to God song for all our excellent men and women of the 82nd ABN Div. I am sure they'd love to visit with him afterwards.... *rolls eyes* can't believe that people actually like this punk. Just seen his act on Leno... what a moron. - Julie, Ft. Bragg, NC, Home of the 82nd ABN Div"

Dear Julie,

Just because someone doesn't agree with going to war doesn't mean we don't support the troops. You are the moron of the 82nd ABN Div.

exactly... for someone being in the force trust me, we're not ALL idiots/ignorant

and oh yeah, i'll be in bragg starting next june.. don't worry I'll say hi to her

[choicecore]

He wrote this song on the ferry coming over to England and played it fot the first time at a solo show I went to. He kept fucking it up though and making bits up as he went along but it was still awesome. cocaine > conor > you

[johnarc]

maybe if this iraq war was similar to vietnam i would agree.... but vietnam was 20 times worse.

D+ for effort though.
just stating the fact that in those times, nearly hundreds of protests songs were written in that time period. conor writes one, and everyone is in a tizzy. obviously viet nam was a worse situation, and I wasn't making the statement on how bad the wars were, I was making a statement about the songs. besides, I don't know if you noticed, but things still aren't going to hot over in Iraq, so who knows what will happen in the future.

quick fact: Bush has the lowest second term presidental approval rating ever, and 57% of Americans think the war in Iraq is "not worthwhile". ouch.