Veronica Mars (Official Thread)

[hot damn!]

i found da bish
http://www.corporatepunk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=376

[varock]

:eek:

[mxpx]

ip banned?!?

*sniff*

[jesus teh feesh]

ip ban is no big deal. been there, done that

[hot damn!]

260 posts eh.....you're getting close to the magical 300!

[jesus teh feesh]

shhh! he isnt here, so maybe theyll forget. or i can just stalk you at the corporate punk forums. take your pick...

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by jesus teh feesh
shhh! he isnt here, so maybe theyll forget. or i can just stalk you at the corporate punk forums. take your pick...
hahah that was like the first thread made in 2 weeks over there......that place is slowww like whoa.

[fluke182]

I don't know if anyone else watches this, but they just finished up their first season last night and it may be my favorite show on television. Anyone that doesn't watch it is missing out, its a great great show, I entirely recommend, and just for insight, my favorite shows are Lost, Arrested Development, Smallville and the OC, besides Ronnie Mars. So if you are interested in good TV, watch it! They will probably be repeating episodes this summer and the DVD's will probably come out in September. So watch watch watch, this show deserves a huge audience!

[FrancesTheMute]

kristen bell is pretty hot.

[AshesAshes]

i'd tap it

[Nick Lopez]

Come on, I can't be the only one who watches this.

[A picasso blue]

never heard of it

[btbam > you]

i love this show

[FondestMemory]

i love it.

there's so much happening in the second season though.

i still watch it and love it though.

she's the cutest thing ever.

[ThexQuietxCull]

mmmmm i watch it as well

[boldt_action]

can't say i've ever seen it.

[DroppedUrPocket]

She's hawt.

[whiteboypain]

ive seen it. It's kinda cool.

[A picasso blue]

what is it??

[Louise Heng]

oh man i love love love veronica mars!

[btbam > you]

kristen bell is way cute

[roxy]

i watched the first season religiously, the second season i saw the firstl 4 or 5 episodes and now i am lost. i am just going to wait for them to replay the whole second season over the summer and get caught up.
the whole cast did a meet and greet at our local mall. the sketchiest people ever were there.

[Nick Lopez]

I thought I was alone. There's actually talks they won't pick it up next season, but it's veeerrry, veerry minor. They probably will, considering polls have shown it being more popular than Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, and a few other big shows.

[btbam > you]

I thought I was alone. There's actually talks they won't pick it up next season, but it's veeerrry, veerry minor. They probably will, considering polls have shown it being more popular than Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, and a few other big shows.


i hope it does. is there gonna be a new episode tonight?

[RyuTseTung]

hella bangable...

[fluke182]

Come on, I can't be the only one who watches this.
Best show on television in my opinion. My problem is I need a second dish to watch UPN (Why the fuck do I need a second dish to watch UPN?!) and on Dish it's on the same time as Lost, and every week Wednesday is Lost Night, so I'm not going to kill that. Veronica Mars is ridiculously good, it's good to see anyone talking about it here, I had a thread about it last year and there was approximately three responses.

Edit: The last episode was television perfection. Half of the season, if not more, has been nearly perfect.

[Nick Lopez]

Best show on television in my opinion. My problem is I need a second dish to watch UPN (Why the fuck do I need a second dish to watch UPN?!) and on Dish it's on the same time as Lost, and every week Wednesday is Lost Night, so I'm not going to kill that. Veronica Mars is ridiculously good, it's good to see anyone talking about it here, I had a thread about it last year and there was approximately three responses.

Edit: The last episode was television perfection. Half of the season, if not more, has been nearly perfect.
I actually wasn't a fan of the latest episode. I thought it was by far the worst of the season.

The first season and the majority of this season are amazing, though, and I hope more people will catch on to watching this so it doesn't have the same fate as Arrested Development.

[fluke182]

Wow. Really? Everyone I watched it with was absolutely shocked by it, they thought it was amazing. That's odd.

[whiteboypain]

Someone Tell me when this show is on. I saw it once, it was awsome, please send a private message or just IM me on aim, i probably will forget about this thread. Don't be shy! LET ME KNOW, PLEASE.thanks.

[Nick Lopez]

Wow, that episode had me fooled. Such a great show, and it needs more credit. Did anyone happen to see the numbers from Lost (4 8 15 16 23 42) on that fortune cookie thing she put up on her mirror at the end of the episode?

Weird.

[TJ Wells]

I hear it's a great show, i've got the first season on hold at the library.

[Jentheoptimist]

Every episode I've seen has been good, it's one of those shows that you can actually tune into in the middle of the season and still get into it.

[Nick Lopez]

This episode was the best of the season. Season One was spectacular, and Season Two has been great.

[fluke182]

Wow. That was absolutely insane. This season has really stepped it up a notch. I don't even follow what the overwhelming mystery is anymore, I thought it was the bus crash, now there's the babyness and Felix Toombs. It's crazy!

[ThexQuietxCull]

veronica is excellent

[Ratherbedead22]

all i know is the chick is hot.

what is this show about?

[xTJx]

all i know is the chick is hot.

what is this show about?

All you need to know is that she's hot..

So does this mean that Duncan isn't going to be in anymore episodes now?

[boekebong]

I know it's up against LOST, but why aren't more people watching this show? Entertainment Weekly just gave season 2 an A-. This is one of the best shows on tv right now. If you don't watch LOST, watch this. If you watch LOST, find a way to tape this. If you do watch Veronica Mars, discuss how amazing it is below.

[hobbes2809]

Im a lost watcher, but I could easily download and keep up with veronia mars if I wanted

whats it about? could you give me some more info on the show before I make space on my computer for it?

[fedhed7]

I saw the first episode and was bored out of my mind.

[FondestMemory]

i really like this show. it's one of only about 4 that i follow religeously.

i can see it having trouble with viewers though. especially this season. it's hard to just randomly stumble onto one and know all that's going on.

great great show though.

[boekebong]

Im a lost watcher, but I could easily download and keep up with veronia mars if I wanted

whats it about? could you give me some more info on the show before I make space on my computer for it?

Basically it's about a teen age girl named Veronica Mars, but it's really sort of a detective noir show set in the OC. The first season opens with Veronica's best friend murdered, her boyfriend (also the dead best friend's brother) having dumped Veronica, all her friends abandoning her, her mother having walked out on the family, and her father having lost his job. The plot of the first season is Veronica trying to figure out who killed her friend while dealing with all that other stuff.

Why you should watch it:
-The plot is very complex. Entertainment Weekly says the mythology has become more complex than LOST.
-Kristen Bell does an amazing job as Veronica. She is in almost every scene and you love to root for her.
-The supporting cast rules.
-The mysteries of the show are great to try and figure out. Veronica helps out with her dad who is now a private detective, and so there are both large and small mysteries/problems that she is always dealing with.

I can say more if you want to know it, but those are some basics.

[hobbes2809]

Basically it's about a teen age girl named Veronica Mars, but it's really sort of a detective noir show set in the OC. The first season opens with Veronica's best friend murdered, her boyfriend (also the dead best friend's brother) having dumped Veronica, all her friends abandoning her, her mother having walked out on the family, and her father having lost his job. The plot of the first season is Veronica trying to figure out who killed her friend while dealing with all that other stuff.

Why you should watch it:
-The plot is very complex. Entertainment Weekly says the mythology has become more complex than LOST.
-Kristen Bell does an amazing job as Veronica. She is in almost every scene and you love to root for her.
-The supporting cast rules.
-The mysteries of the show are great to try and figure out. Veronica helps out with her dad who is now a private detective, and so there are both large and small mysteries/problems that she is always dealing with.

I can say more if you want to know it, but those are some basics.

thanks, I just got the first season bc of your recommendation, and I will watch it as soon as I can

[Scott Weber]

Basically it's about a teen age girl named Veronica Mars, but it's really sort of a detective noir show set in the OC. The first season opens with Veronica's best friend murdered, her boyfriend (also the dead best friend's brother) having dumped Veronica, all her friends abandoning her, her mother having walked out on the family, and her father having lost his job. The plot of the first season is Veronica trying to figure out who killed her friend while dealing with all that other stuff.

Why you should watch it:
-The plot is very complex. Entertainment Weekly says the mythology has become more complex than LOST.
-Kristen Bell does an amazing job as Veronica. She is in almost every scene and you love to root for her.
-The supporting cast rules.
-The mysteries of the show are great to try and figure out. Veronica helps out with her dad who is now a private detective, and so there are both large and small mysteries/problems that she is always dealing with.

I can say more if you want to know it, but those are some basics.
I just got done watching the first season because it came so highly recommended. Here are my thoughts on it. Kristen Bell is very engaging, witty, and fun to watch. She IS the show, although Ernie C. does a great job as well. After that, the acting is questionable at best. Logan is the only other actor with any significant amount of talent (or maybe I just enjoy his character), Lilly is painful to watch, as is Duncan. The plot line is decent, but I really dislike how the show seems to tackle some ultimately petty plot for 70% of the show, while engaging in typical WB/UPN high school drama for a decent portion of it. Fortunately, the rest of the show is intriguing. The plot is pretty good, but the development of it is pretty poor. I also dislike how they introduce what you think are going to be key characters/plot lines and then they abandon them forever, up and gone after 1 or 2 episodes.

As for the mini-mysteries that her and her dad solve, they're fun to watch, but they're incredibly shallow, and it's obvious. There's very little development as to the actual conclusion of the mysteries, every episode just ends with Veronica pulling something completely out of her ass that she found out somewhere - unfortunately, the reasoning behind it was lost in the mix of high school drama. If you've ever watched shows with REAL mysteries and well developed plots, like Lost or The Shield, then you'd understand why this is so frustrating. Another minor thing that bugs me is how random people from other UPN shows keep showing up as guest stars.

All criticisms aside, Kristen Bell is super cute and she steals the show. Her friend Wallace also provides a solid amount of comic relief and the writing isn't bad. I've been pleasantly suprised at how deep the plot is for a teen drama, but it's still that...a teen drama. The plot's pretty shallow for a mystery, and the progression and development need a lot of work. That being said, this show is fun to watch because it's light-hearted and funny without being entirely cheesy or soap-opera.

Entertainment Weekly are IDIOTS for saying VM has become more complex than Lost. There's never been a show on television, EVER that has more complexity than Lost - period. I don't believe they said that until I actually see it. Don't buy that hype guys - it's a mystery/teen drama show and that's it.

Sorry for the mini-review, just wanted to express my thoughts on it since I've been watching it recently. I'd still give it a solid B, but it's not worth switching over from Lost.

[fedhed7]

I just got done watching the first season because it came so highly recommended. Here are my thoughts on it. Kristen Bell is very engaging, witty, and fun to watch. She IS the show, although Ernie C. does a great job as well. After that, the acting is questionable at best. Logan is the only other actor with any significant amount of talent (or maybe I just enjoy his character), Lilly is painful to watch, as is Duncan. The plot line is decent, but I really dislike how the show seems to tackle some ultimately petty plot for 70% of the show, while engaging in typical WB/UPN high school drama for a decent portion of it. Fortunately, the rest of the show is intriguing. The plot is pretty good, but the development of it is pretty poor. I also dislike how they introduce what you think are going to be key characters/plot lines and then they abandon them forever, up and gone after 1 or 2 episodes.

As for the mini-mysteries that her and her dad solve, they're fun to watch, but they're incredibly shallow, and it's obvious. There's very little development as to the actual conclusion of the mysteries, every episode just ends with Veronica pulling something completely out of her ass that she found out somewhere - unfortunately, the reasoning behind it was lost in the mix of high school drama. If you've ever watched shows with REAL mysteries and well developed plots, like Lost or The Shield, then you'd understand why this is so frustrating. Another minor thing that bugs me is how random people from other UPN shows keep showing up as guest stars.

All criticisms aside, Kristen Bell is super cute and she steals the show. Her friend Wallace also provides a solid amount of comic relief and the writing isn't bad. I've been pleasantly suprised at how deep the plot is for a teen drama, but it's still that...a teen drama. The plot's pretty shallow for a mystery, and the progression and development need a lot of work. That being said, this show is fun to watch because it's light-hearted and funny without being entirely cheesy or soap-opera.

Entertainment Weekly are IDIOTS for saying VM has become more complex than Lost. There's never been a show on television, EVER that has more complexity than Lost - period. I don't believe they said that until I actually see it. Don't buy that hype guys - it's a mystery/teen drama show and that's it.

Sorry for the mini-review, just wanted to express my thoughts on it since I've been watching it recently. I'd still give it a solid B, but it's not worth switching over from Lost.

Thank you. I wasn't planning on switching over in the first place, but this confirms it.


Veronica Mars sounds like a cheap rip-off of Chloe from Smallville.

[hobbes2809]

thoughts on veronica mars

while it sounds decent, you said it pretty much boils down to a fun teen drama

and ive only got your opinion and boekebong's opinion to go on, so I dunno if i'll watch it now

If im going to watch teen drama Im going to download and watch Freaks and Geeks again.

that show was awesome.

edit: gonna stick with Lost on wed nights

[aCe_]

Yeah, i'll stick with my Lost.

[fedhed7]

edit: gonna stick with Lost on wed nights
Smart man.

[hobbes2809]

haha this was never a question of switching from lost to veronica mars. (lost, 24) > rest of television

this was a question of whether or not to download the show and watch it at my leisure

[fedhed7]

haha this was never a question of switching from lost to veronica mars. (lost, 24) > rest of television

this was a question of whether or not to download the show and watch it at my leisure
Very true.

I could easily just watch Lost and Tivo Veronica Mars, but I just don't feel like it.

[Scott Weber]

while it sounds decent, you said it pretty much boils down to a fun teen drama

and ive only got your opinion and boekebong's opinion to go on, so I dunno if i'll watch it now

If im going to watch teen drama Im going to download and watch Freaks and Geeks again.

that show was awesome.

edit: gonna stick with Lost on wed nights
Yeah. I mean, it's more than say, the OC, but the writing isn't as good (as the OC's first season) and character development is pretty underdeveloped.

[Nick Lopez]

This show is very, very good.

[Scott Weber]

This show is very, very good.
psh, you could at least respond to the points I made in my minor essay I wrote about this show...I want to talk about it with people.

[btbam > you]

i love this show. i watch lost and tivo this to watch later

[GoWaitInTheCar]

BenTen on Cartoon Network is my favorite new cartoon.

On the subject of shows like that.

What about Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends?

And also..

Drake and Josh?


There is always Reno 911 on Comedy Central.

[FondestMemory]

I just got done watching the first season because it came so highly recommended. Here are my thoughts on it. Kristen Bell is very engaging, witty, and fun to watch. She IS the show, although Ernie C. does a great job as well. After that, the acting is questionable at best. Logan is the only other actor with any significant amount of talent (or maybe I just enjoy his character), Lilly is painful to watch, as is Duncan. The plot line is decent, but I really dislike how the show seems to tackle some ultimately petty plot for 70% of the show, while engaging in typical WB/UPN high school drama for a decent portion of it. Fortunately, the rest of the show is intriguing. The plot is pretty good, but the development of it is pretty poor. I also dislike how they introduce what you think are going to be key characters/plot lines and then they abandon them forever, up and gone after 1 or 2 episodes.

As for the mini-mysteries that her and her dad solve, they're fun to watch, but they're incredibly shallow, and it's obvious. There's very little development as to the actual conclusion of the mysteries, every episode just ends with Veronica pulling something completely out of her ass that she found out somewhere - unfortunately, the reasoning behind it was lost in the mix of high school drama. If you've ever watched shows with REAL mysteries and well developed plots, like Lost or The Shield, then you'd understand why this is so frustrating. Another minor thing that bugs me is how random people from other UPN shows keep showing up as guest stars.

All criticisms aside, Kristen Bell is super cute and she steals the show. Her friend Wallace also provides a solid amount of comic relief and the writing isn't bad. I've been pleasantly suprised at how deep the plot is for a teen drama, but it's still that...a teen drama. The plot's pretty shallow for a mystery, and the progression and development need a lot of work. That being said, this show is fun to watch because it's light-hearted and funny without being entirely cheesy or soap-opera.

Entertainment Weekly are IDIOTS for saying VM has become more complex than Lost. There's never been a show on television, EVER that has more complexity than Lost - period. I don't believe they said that until I actually see it. Don't buy that hype guys - it's a mystery/teen drama show and that's it.

Sorry for the mini-review, just wanted to express my thoughts on it since I've been watching it recently. I'd still give it a solid B, but it's not worth switching over from Lost.

nice review.

i agree and disagree with parts of it. but it was fair.

have you caught any of the second season? just wondering. the first season concentrated a lot more on the 'teen' aspect of it. the second is much more complex and seemingly geared for adults. there are more than one season long story line and there's some twists and turns ya really don't see coming. it seems like your biggest beefs with the show aren't in the second season. at least not as much.

the only thing about the second season though, is that there's so much going on you need to start from the beginning. everything with every character is different now than it was at the end of the first season. it's definitely worth going back and catching up on though, especially if you even remotely enjoyed the first season.

[Scott Weber]

nice review.

i agree and disagree with parts of it. but it was fair.

have you caught any of the second season? just wondering. the first season concentrated a lot more on the 'teen' aspect of it. the second is much more complex and seemingly geared for adults. there are more than one season long story line and there's some twists and turns ya really don't see coming. it seems like your biggest beefs with the show aren't in the second season. at least not as much.

the only thing about the second season though, is that there's so much going on you need to start from the beginning. everything with every character is different now than it was at the end of the first season. it's definitely worth going back and catching up on though, especially if you even remotely enjoyed the first season.
Haven't seen any of the 2nd season. I'll probably watch it, but not until I can see it all in it's entirety without pausing - that's how I like to watch TV shows. That review is first season only.

[aheroinmyeyes]

I just got done watching the first season because it came so highly recommended. Here are my thoughts on it. Kristen Bell is very engaging, witty, and fun to watch. She IS the show, although Ernie C. does a great job as well. After that, the acting is questionable at best. Logan is the only other actor with any significant amount of talent (or maybe I just enjoy his character), Lilly is painful to watch, as is Duncan. The plot line is decent, but I really dislike how the show seems to tackle some ultimately petty plot for 70% of the show, while engaging in typical WB/UPN high school drama for a decent portion of it. Fortunately, the rest of the show is intriguing. The plot is pretty good, but the development of it is pretty poor. I also dislike how they introduce what you think are going to be key characters/plot lines and then they abandon them forever, up and gone after 1 or 2 episodes.

As for the mini-mysteries that her and her dad solve, they're fun to watch, but they're incredibly shallow, and it's obvious. There's very little development as to the actual conclusion of the mysteries, every episode just ends with Veronica pulling something completely out of her ass that she found out somewhere - unfortunately, the reasoning behind it was lost in the mix of high school drama. If you've ever watched shows with REAL mysteries and well developed plots, like Lost or The Shield, then you'd understand why this is so frustrating. Another minor thing that bugs me is how random people from other UPN shows keep showing up as guest stars.

All criticisms aside, Kristen Bell is super cute and she steals the show. Her friend Wallace also provides a solid amount of comic relief and the writing isn't bad. I've been pleasantly suprised at how deep the plot is for a teen drama, but it's still that...a teen drama. The plot's pretty shallow for a mystery, and the progression and development need a lot of work. That being said, this show is fun to watch because it's light-hearted and funny without being entirely cheesy or soap-opera.

Entertainment Weekly are IDIOTS for saying VM has become more complex than Lost. There's never been a show on television, EVER that has more complexity than Lost - period. I don't believe they said that until I actually see it. Don't buy that hype guys - it's a mystery/teen drama show and that's it.

Sorry for the mini-review, just wanted to express my thoughts on it since I've been watching it recently. I'd still give it a solid B, but it's not worth switching over from Lost.
I have to say that is the most complete review of any TV show I have ever seen. Well done.

I saw one episode of this show on accident a while ago. I never watch TV, so I can't really see myself getting into any show, but I really didn't find anything special about Veronica Mars. I've heard good things about it, but it didn't seem to match up with what I saw. However, I'm only basing this off of one episode which isn't fair to the show at all.

[fluke182]

Scott - Fondest Memory is right, EW was referring to season 2. The plot has gotten significantly more serpentine to say the least, everything is interconnected, everything is weaving together. That's the complexity they were speaking about. It's been one of the most intriguing seasons of any show I've ever followed this year. Also, the acting is perfect in my opinion, with two exceptions. Duncan and Lilly. They both couldn't act their way out of a paper bag, theoretically if you ever needed to do that. Really however, I do think it is a lot more than just a "teen drama." You compared it to the writing of the OC, and it is significantly better than any season of the OC's writing. There are little things to the writing that are fantastic, and it may be just a question of what people prefer. I thought the first season was one of the best shows on television last year, and this year maybe the best show, with only Battlestar Galactica and Lost contending with it. I agree with a lot in your review, I just think it has a lot more depth than you give it credit for.

[Scott Weber]

Scott - Fondest Memory is right, EW was referring to season 2. The plot has gotten significantly more serpentine to say the least, everything is interconnected, everything is weaving together. That's the complexity they were speaking about. It's been one of the most intriguing seasons of any show I've ever followed this year. Also, the acting is perfect in my opinion, with two exceptions. Duncan and Lilly. They both couldn't act their way out of a paper bag, theoretically if you ever needed to do that. Really however, I do think it is a lot more than just a "teen drama." You compared it to the writing of the OC, and it is significantly better than any season of the OC's writing. There are little things to the writing that are fantastic, and it may be just a question of what people prefer. I thought the first season was one of the best shows on television last year, and this year maybe the best show, with only Battlestar Galactica and Lost contending with it. I agree with a lot in your review, I just think it has a lot more depth than you give it credit for.
Well, it might have more depth than I give it credit for because I haven't seen season 2. I still seriously doubt it's deeper than Lost...I mean, come on. And the writing in season one of The OC is better than the writing in Season 1 of Veronica Mars. It's wittier, the characters are better...I'm anxious to see Season 2 now. I'd have to download them all though. Any torrents of season 2 up to date floating around? Haha

[Jentheoptimist]

I'm a little upset because they said Kristen from Laguana Beach was gonna be on the show one day and I watched it, and no Kristen.

[FondestMemory]

I'm a little upset because they said Kristen from Laguana Beach was gonna be on the show one day and I watched it, and no Kristen.

the only kristen the world needs is kristen bell.

[Nick Lopez]

I'm a little upset because they said Kristen from Laguana Beach was gonna be on the show one day and I watched it, and no Kristen.
She will be playing a lesbian cheerleader on the March 15th episode.

What they said was that she'd be on the next new episode, which will be on March 15th.

[Nick Lopez]

psh, you could at least respond to the points I made in my minor essay I wrote about this show...I want to talk about it with people.
I didn't notice it before. I didn't read through the thread.

Regarding the acting, I think the majority of it is very good. Teddy Dunn as Duncan and whoever play Lilly are both terrible, but I think those are the only sore spots regarding the acting. Luckily, Lilly is not in season two at all, and Duncan just left the show. Jason Dohring does a great job as Logan, in my opinion. And Ernie Colantoni and Kristen Bell are both exceptional.

You're right in the sense that it does deal with a lot of high school drama, but I'm going to have to disagree when you say 70% of the show. I think that would be an unfair representation, and it's half at most. While I realize that isn't that big of a difference, I don't know, 70% just seems so much more.

The mini-mysteries are nearly completely taken out of the second season, too, which I'm happy about. The plot twists and complexities have become so tangled that they can't waste time with Veronica solving mysteries for most of the time. There have been a few episodes as of yet having to do with that, but they usually atleast tie in to the overarcing storyline. But yes, they ultimately do have them ending with Veronica pulling some obscure thing out of her ass to solve it, which is kind of lame. I do also watch Lost, and I too feel that this is frustrating. I'm not bothered by people from UPN shows as guest stars, though. ;)

Fact is, it..is a teen drama. I mean, if you really think about it, that's what it is. However, as opposed to The OC, it is not completely devoted to high school drama (nor, actually, does it ever get too involved in love triangles and whatnot). Yes, there are some storylines having to do with high school drama, but the more central and intriguing arcs don't have to do with it. The writing on the show is so much better than on any other teen drama, even The OC's first season. You're right, Scott, it isn't cheesy or soap-opera like, and it's very, very clever and funny.

And even if EW was referring to the second season, I still think that VM is nowhere near the complexity of Lost.

Also, I'm going to agree, this show is not worth switching over from Lost. It is, however, worth watching. Rent the DVD's, download the torrents, record it, whatever. When it boils down to it, it's a really, really good show that needs more viewers.

[Jentheoptimist]

She will be playing a lesbian cheerleader on the March 15th episode.

What they said was that she'd be on the next new episode, which will be on March 15th.
Yeah I know, I read it in star and they put she was gonna be on sooner, I don't remember what day exactly but the one I seen she was looking at phone cards that some girl stole from her boyfriend in europe. She also found a body in the ice dispenser at a motel. So that's when the mag told me to tune in and I did. Everytime I've seen it, it's good.

[Jentheoptimist]

the only kristen the world needs is kristen bell.
ehhh she is cool but NBD.

[Scott Weber]

I didn't notice it before. I didn't read through the thread.

Regarding the acting, I think the majority of it is very good. Teddy Dunn as Duncan and whoever play Lilly are both terrible, but I think those are the only sore spots regarding the acting. Luckily, Lilly is not in season two at all, and Duncan just left the show. Jason Dohring does a great job as Logan, in my opinion. And Ernie Colantoni and Kristen Bell are both exceptional.

You're right in the sense that it does deal with a lot of high school drama, but I'm going to have to disagree when you say 70% of the show. I think that would be an unfair representation, and it's half at most. While I realize that isn't that big of a difference, I don't know, 70% just seems so much more.

The mini-mysteries are nearly completely taken out of the second season, too, which I'm happy about. The plot twists and complexities have become so tangled that they can't waste time with Veronica solving mysteries for most of the time. There have been a few episodes as of yet having to do with that, but they usually atleast tie in to the overarcing storyline. But yes, they ultimately do have them ending with Veronica pulling some obscure thing out of her ass to solve it, which is kind of lame. I do also watch Lost, and I too feel that this is frustrating. I'm not bothered by people from UPN shows as guest stars, though. ;)

Fact is, it..is a teen drama. I mean, if you really think about it, that's what it is. However, as opposed to The OC, it is not completely devoted to high school drama (nor, actually, does it ever get too involved in love triangles and whatnot). Yes, there are some storylines having to do with high school drama, but the more central and intriguing arcs don't have to do with it. The writing on the show is so much better than on any other teen drama, even The OC's first season. You're right, Scott, it isn't cheesy or soap-opera like, and it's very, very clever and funny.

And even if EW was referring to the second season, I still think that VM is nowhere near the complexity of Lost.

Also, I'm going to agree, this show is not worth switching over from Lost. It is, however, worth watching. Rent the DVD's, download the torrents, record it, whatever. When it boils down to it, it's a really, really good show that needs more viewers.
Basically you're saying the show has good acting based on 3 characters...that just doesn't cut it for me. Season 1 is 70% about HS drama, if not more, because so many of Veronica's somewhat lame mysteries involve something in her high school that is, well, HS drama related. I'm not judging the 2nd season because I haven't seen it, so remember that. And there is no fucking way this comes close to the OC's first season of writing. Sandy and Seth Cohen are such golden characters that Veronica Mars can never touch, nor come close. There's wit, but it's not as inspired or charismatic as the OC writers made it.

[fluke182]

I don't know, as much as I did love the first season of the OC, I find Logan to be one of the best characters on television, as great in his own way as Seth or Sandy were. I also love Veronica and Keith, but Logan is a standout in my opinion. Sure the dialogue is excellent in the first season of the OC, but most of the plot lines were pretty damn cliche. Not saying that Ronnie Mars is some sort of cliche free zone, but I think the overarching mystery made the first season just as good as the first season of the OC. The main problem with the first season was that there were a decent amount of throw away episodes, sort of like the freak of the week episodes in Smallville early on, they just felt tacked on. Still highly enjoyable in VM's part, but superfluous really. As far as the good acting because of 3 characters, I think the acting is uniformly excellent, with the exception of the Kane children, from the main 3, to Weevil and Wallace, to small characters like the Chief and the lawyer that Kieth is always working for. Check out TorrentSpy though Scott, they have all of the episodes. You really will quite like the second season, it's an amazing step up for the show because every episode feels crucial and huge to me. I'd say year 1 goes to Lost, but year 2 so far for me VM has been better. I still watch Lost every week instead of VM (Partially because for some reason UPN needs a second satellite to watch on Dish Network, wtf is up with that, partially because Lost is always badass), but I think it's a bad comparison really anyways. I would put both shows in the top 3 on television right now, so I'm just happy both exist.

[Scott Weber]

That's cool, I mean I respect your opinion, but I just think you're nuts to compare Logan to Seth. There's episodes where Logan isn't even ON the show, and others where he shows up but he really has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have the one-liners, he doesn't have the delivery, he's just kind of fun to watch. I don't really think the people that play Weevil (mexi hard-ass with a soft side...yawn) and Wallace (cocky, fun-loving token black guy) are anything special.

[Nick Lopez]

That's cool, I mean I respect your opinion, but I just think you're nuts to compare Logan to Seth. There's episodes where Logan isn't even ON the show, and others where he shows up but he really has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have the one-liners, he doesn't have the delivery, he's just kind of fun to watch. I don't really think the people that play Weevil (mexi hard-ass with a soft side...yawn) and Wallace (cocky, fun-loving token black guy) are anything special.
I think the acting is great throughout, I was simply stating the standouts. I didn't want to list every actor and say what I thought about them, just giving a few examples.

Also, I don't like Weevil's character, either. In Season Two, actually, they make it very interesting.

Also, Logan is in every single episode in Season Two, as opposed to thirteen in Season one.

[fluke182]

That's cool, I mean I respect your opinion, but I just think you're nuts to compare Logan to Seth. There's episodes where Logan isn't even ON the show, and others where he shows up but he really has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have the one-liners, he doesn't have the delivery, he's just kind of fun to watch. I don't really think the people that play Weevil (mexi hard-ass with a soft side...yawn) and Wallace (cocky, fun-loving token black guy) are anything special.
The reason why I think Logan is such a great character is because organically, within the story and realistically, he turned from a guy you loved to hate to a guy you loved to love. He went from just being a jackass that seems like a thorn in Veronica's side into being a incredibly troubled guy that has all kinds of depth that never was apparant before, he was still a dick, but he was the guy that fought for Veronica, the guy that was always trying to save her. I just thought it was amazing how he changed through the season and it felt so damn natural. Seth is a great character, my problem is I hated this season so much of the OC I basically hate the show now, and I discount what was a fantastic season of television. In the past two seasons, they've turned Seth into a whiny bitch who isn't all that clever anymore. He's just annoying. First season, loved him. That's the difference, Veronica Mars hasn't jumped the shark to make me hate Logan yet so he's the big winner!

Oh yeah, and to what you said about not even in all of the episodes. That was a little weird, but he still felt incredibly integral to the story.

[Nick Lopez]

That's the difference, Veronica Mars hasn't jumped the shark to make me hate Logan yet so he's the big winner!

..Veronica Mars has been around for a year and a half. I certainly hope it hasn't jumped the shark already.

[Scott Weber]

The reason why I think Logan is such a great character is because organically, within the story and realistically, he turned from a guy you loved to hate to a guy you loved to love. He went from just being a jackass that seems like a thorn in Veronica's side into being a incredibly troubled guy that has all kinds of depth that never was apparant before, he was still a dick, but he was the guy that fought for Veronica, the guy that was always trying to save her. I just thought it was amazing how he changed through the season and it felt so damn natural. Seth is a great character, my problem is I hated this season so much of the OC I basically hate the show now, and I discount what was a fantastic season of television. In the past two seasons, they've turned Seth into a whiny bitch who isn't all that clever anymore. He's just annoying. First season, loved him. That's the difference, Veronica Mars hasn't jumped the shark to make me hate Logan yet so he's the big winner!

Oh yeah, and to what you said about not even in all of the episodes. That was a little weird, but he still felt incredibly integral to the story.
At least you admit your bias. I think the OC has totally gone downhill too, but the first season of that absolutely destroys this show. I like VM, but I just cannot get into the insane hype for it. It's too....I don't know. It's too light-hearted and teenie-bopper to be an actual good mystery/suspense show, and it's too mystery oriented to be a good, funny, HS drama. It's just caught in the middle.

[Shatter590]

its like nancy drew with sass...and ass lol

i cant say why i like it, i just do.

[FondestMemory]

At least you admit your bias. I think the OC has totally gone downhill too, but the first season of that absolutely destroys this show. I like VM, but I just cannot get into the insane hype for it. It's too....I don't know. It's too light-hearted and teenie-bopper to be an actual good mystery/suspense show, and it's too mystery oriented to be a good, funny, HS drama. It's just caught in the middle.

i think that's why it appeals to so many people. there's a little in there for everybody, and there's little else like it on tv.

but, i'll have to admit a bit of a bias. not only is this one of the few shows i watch, but i've never even watched an episode of lost, 24 or the oc. so i'm not arguing this show is better than them, i'm just stating that i enjoy it greatly.

[Scott Weber]

my opinion on this show is slowly declining. I know, I need to see season 2, but I just re-watched some of season 1...there's a LOT more teen drama plotline than you guys admit, especially with Veronica's nice little love tango with the cop and Logan. There were lines in that little triangle so bad I cringed.

And on a completely different note - WTF is with all the Home Improvement kids showing up on this show? It seriously has the most random guest stars...i mean, JTT?

[FondestMemory]

my opinion on this show is slowly declining. I know, I need to see season 2, but I just re-watched some of season 1...there's a LOT more teen drama plotline than you guys admit, especially with Veronica's nice little love tango with the cop and Logan. There were lines in that little triangle so bad I cringed.

And on a completely different note - WTF is with all the Home Improvement kids showing up on this show? It seriously has the most random guest stars...i mean, JTT?

haha. i'm not denying there's more than their fair share of high school drama. especially in the first season. there's still a good amount in season two, but there's way more mature material being dished out too.

but even with a declining opinion, catch up on season two. sometimes there's a bit much going on, but it's entertaining.

much better than i expected from a show i only started watching cause i thought the star was uber cute. i got sucked in.

[Shatter590]

my opinion on this show is slowly declining. I know, I need to see season 2, but I just re-watched some of season 1...there's a LOT more teen drama plotline than you guys admit, especially with Veronica's nice little love tango with the cop and Logan. There were lines in that little triangle so bad I cringed.

And on a completely different note - WTF is with all the Home Improvement kids showing up on this show? It seriously has the most random guest stars...i mean, JTT?
Kevin Smith and Joss Whedon

[Scott Weber]

haha. i'm not denying there's more than their fair share of high school drama. especially in the first season. there's still a good amount in season two, but there's way more mature material being dished out too.

but even with a declining opinion, catch up on season two. sometimes there's a bit much going on, but it's entertaining.

much better than i expected from a show i only started watching cause i thought the star was uber cute. i got sucked in.
I'll still watch the 2nd season. I'm interested enough to keep watching

[fluke182]

Yeah I'm definitely biased against the OC at this point. Kinda sad it's gotten that way because I used to love it.

[Scott Weber]

it's still entertaining so I still watch it. It's definitely not as good as it used to be, but neither are most shows. Family Guy, The Simpsons...hell, even Arrested Development took a step down this year in my opinion, but of course I still watch it - I can assume you still watch the OC, too?

[fluke182]

Nah, I honestly gave up midway through this year. I was watching enough other shows that I quit on it, and then I tried going back and watching it and it honestly was kind of painful to watch at that point. Something about it, the self-important lame drama was really getting to me. I didn't like what they were doing with the characters and I seriously could not stand watching Mischa Barton "act" anymore. Thankfully I got out before her sister came and took her magic aging potion. It was just ridiculous. Ironically the show that replaced it in my watching habits was Nip/Tuck, which is basically the king of ridiculous drama.

[Scott Weber]

Nah, I honestly gave up midway through this year. I was watching enough other shows that I quit on it, and then I tried going back and watching it and it honestly was kind of painful to watch at that point. Something about it, the self-important lame drama was really getting to me. I didn't like what they were doing with the characters and I seriously could not stand watching Mischa Barton "act" anymore. Thankfully I got out before her sister came and took her magic aging potion. It was just ridiculous. Ironically the show that replaced it in my watching habits was Nip/Tuck, which is basically the king of ridiculous drama.
I hope you know that the actress who plays Marisa's sister Kaitlin on the OC is actually 14 in real life. So...yeah. Don't use that as defense for not watching the show. I've heard so many people say that about her, but.... it's true. She's 14...and she played 15 on the show.

http://imdb.com/name/nm1473267/

[fluke182]

I hope you know that the actress who plays Marisa's sister Kaitlin on the OC is actually 14 in real life. So...yeah. Don't use that as defense for not watching the show. I've heard so many people say that about her, but.... it's true. She's 14...and she played 15 on the show.

http://imdb.com/name/nm1473267/
Actually I was referring to the fact that she was 8 in season 1, then she was 15 in season 3. Weird math! But anyways, that wasn't a big reason. The reason why I stopped watching was because the drama became too overwhelming and ridiculous, I hated the new characters, I hated the directions they were taking with the old characters, and the writing reminded me of Oceans 12, it felt like they were incredibly smug about their success, or lack their of based off ratings. But no less, it just felt vapid to me. The connections I had with it previously disintegrated and I moved onto bigger and better television shows.

[Scott Weber]

Actually I was referring to the fact that she was 8 in season 1, then she was 15 in season 3. Weird math! But anyways, that wasn't a big reason. The reason why I stopped watching was because the drama became too overwhelming and ridiculous, I hated the new characters, I hated the directions they were taking with the old characters, and the writing reminded me of Oceans 12, it felt like they were incredibly smug about their success, or lack their of based off ratings. But no less, it just felt vapid to me. The connections I had with it previously disintegrated and I moved onto bigger and better television shows.
Haha, it's amusing how you've kinda gotten so beat up about this. Actually, she was 11 in season 1, so they stretched it a year, not 6/7 years.

[TJ Wells]

Haha, it's amusing how you've kinda gotten so beat up about this. Actually, she was 11 in season 1, so they stretched it a year, not 6/7 years.
I'm too lazy to look back in the thread, but you guys are aware it's two different actresses right?

[Scott Weber]

I'm too lazy to look back in the thread, but you guys are aware it's two different actresses right?
Uh, no shit...the actresses are the same age, though. And Kaitlin's character in season 1 was 11....not 8.

[fluke182]

Even I knew that TJ, and I've been officially retarded for this whole thread. I'm not doing so well. Final point. Loved season 1 OC. Love all Veronica Mars. Can't stand Season 3 OC. You win again, you always do.

[Scott Weber]

Even I knew that TJ, and I've been officially retarded for this whole thread. I'm not doing so well. Final point. Loved season 1 OC. Love all Veronica Mars. Can't stand Season 3 OC. You win again, you always do.
:P

[TJ Wells]

Uh, no shit...the actresses are the same age, though. And Kaitlin's character in season 1 was 11....not 8.
Just checking.

[punkpixie]

It's the only show that fills the Buffy void, in my opinion. Smart and witty.

[TJ Wells]

Yeah, so I just rented the first season on DVD, and I am hooked. I am through three discs already. Anyone else watch the show? Oh, and don't post anything that happens past the episode with whoever is stalking Logan's dad, that's as far as i've gotten.

[FondestMemory]

it's fucking good. i love that show.

and something to look forward to: as great as the first season is, the second blows it away.

[fluke182]

Yeah, exactly what FondestMemory said. Second best show on television in my opinion, behind only Battlestar Galactica. There was a decent sized thread on this a month, month and a half ago. I'd suggest checking that out, although there may be things in there you haven't gotten to yet.

[EndlessMike]

I've fallen so behind on Veronica Mars. It was one of my favorite shows to watch last year, but I just haven't been able to keep up while at college. The show is so witty and well written, and Kristen Bell is super hot which doesn't hurt at all.

[Nick Lopez]

Yeaah, I talk about this all the time.

[ClemTiger0408]

I've only seen the episodes that guest star Alyson Hannigan because, well, its Alyson Hannigan.

[btbam > you]

good show

[Scott Weber]

Good show, but the 2nd season got really really hyped up in an earlier thread and I've been mostly un blown away. It's fun, but the teenage bullshit in it is really holding it back from being a brashly smart and witty comedy/mystery show. Fluke, you realllllllllly overhyped the depth of the plot line. It's seriously nothing at all. But yeah. Good, but not anything special...B. And yes, I'm up to date with the show now.

[gilatron5000]

I actually enjoy this show, but it's on the same time as LOST. Which blows

[fluke182]

Hey! It wasn't just me first off, and I tried to err on the side of caution when it came to the hyping, maybe I did tend to do it a bit too much still, but I think you're just remembering someone else and putting my name too it. Now if you go back and find quotes from me, I'd appreciate it if you kept those to yourself!

[Scott Weber]

didn't you use a quote from EW in saying that the plot line was more in depth than Lost in your defense?

[lucky_krystle]

i have only seen it a few times. one of my good friends went to high school with her in michigan. not that anyone cares, but kind of a neat connection.

[Shatter590]

a long time ago
we used to be friends...

veronica mars>most tv

[lanolynn]

i watched the first season on dvd but by the time i was done the second season had already started, and between lost, 24, and prison break, i figured i'd save the second season for the summer when there won't be shit on.

[Scott Weber]

a long time ago
we used to be friends...

veronica mars>most tv
remember when they stole the VM mars theme song from The OC, and OC Mix Vol. 1...that always bugs me

[Shatter590]

remember when they stole the VM mars theme song from The OC, and OC Mix Vol. 1...that always bugs me
dandy warhols rule lol

[i_dono_me]

it's a GREAT show but since i work the day it comes on i havta wait till sunday's to watch it but at least i get to watch it and actually i havn't seen it that much.

[fluke182]

didn't you use a quote from EW in saying that the plot line was more in depth than Lost in your defense?
I was hyping it, but I definitely didn't say that because I disagree with that. It's a tough comparison to use that and I thought that EW sort of forced that, although the complexity has grown in second season.

[fluke182]

remember when they stole the VM mars theme song from The OC, and OC Mix Vol. 1...that always bugs me
I'm virtually certain they stole that from Welcome to the Monkey House, it was a good song before the OC and it is after it.

[tymsnurmn04]

Did you guys see it?

[fluke182]

I thought it was actually playing tonight?

[tymsnurmn04]

it is, I just got excited and jumped the gun...so to speak

[Serenity]

Season Finale. Killer revealed. Twists. Turns.

Thoughts?

[Nick Lopez]

I Will Nto Read This Thread I Will Not Read This Thread.

[tymsnurmn04]

Tonight was the season finale?

No wonder shit hit the fan.

[Saves The Night]

She is hot

/thread

[Nick Lopez]

She is hot

/thread
God, I love this show. Probable spoilers ahead.

Honestly, I was kind of dissapointed. I wanted it to be someone completely left field, and I really kind of..well, figured it out. Beaver was totally one of my top guesses. Also, I had a vaaaague clue that Aaron was going to die. I just had NO idea that it would be from Duncan. I could have sworn Logan was going to be holding that gun, not Clarence Weedman, of all people.

They brought back a lot of shit from Season One. I was surprised.

Any guesses as to what's in the case?

[Serenity]

I'm going to be honest, I was a little underwhelmed at first, I think it was because I predicted it would be Beaver and then there was no twist to make it not him. But I liked the episode; the dream sequences were excellent, and Kristen Bell was phenomenal.

Sooo... spoilers here.


The whole Beaver raping Veronica bit... so does that mean that Duncan didn't have sex with Veronica that night? Or did Beaver rape her afterwards? On that same note then... wouldn't Duncan have an STD then too?

As for the case, I mean I think they want you to believe it's a lot of money since Kendal had just gotten a lot of it from Beaver's property business, but I'm sure it's something else.

Was everyone just unaware of Aaron's murder? Since after he was shot, it seemed like it wasn't mentioned at all again.

The show better get picked up by the CW. On that note... "CW?" "It's a done deal." --- clever.

[Scott Weber]

Now that redeemed this season. Amazing episode..I wish the whole season would have been as intense/eheavy as that. That officially re-won me over.

[roxy]

I missed so much of this season so I hope they reair it over the summer like they did with season 1. I can no longer come back to this thread because I don't want to know what happened.

[fluke182]

I loved that episode. That episode was everything I love about this, it followed through on the entire season + things from first season using basically two characters as pivot points for the rest of the pieces to fall together. With that said, they even brought new mysteries for next season into the picture already, gracefully set up by Thomas and crew. That was about as well put together a season finale I've seen. I personally was not reading any spoiler things or doing any contemplating on who I thought it was, I just went in with a blank slate besides what happened before, and Cassidy definitely surprised me. I figured he would have been molested, but the maestro behind all of these events. That was fantastic. The whole part on the roof of the building and the plane exploding and Logan saving Veronica, superb scene work there.

On another note, what's people's opinion of Rob Thomas saying he's going to have three mysteries next year, shorter stint mysteries, not full season ones. I think I like it, but he's done so well with these full season ones so far.

[FondestMemory]

one question, maybe i'm looking too much into it.

in the first dream sequence about what graduation would be like if lily was never murdered, logan was her boyfriend. that threw me off, it'd make sense that she would have still been with duncan had that been the case.

again, maybe i'm looking too into it, but that makes me think that her feelings are there for logan and that it may actually work out this time.

great great finale though. i was very pleased.

[fluke182]

one question, maybe i'm looking too much into it.

in the first dream sequence about what graduation would be like if lily was never murdered, logan was her boyfriend. that threw me off, it'd make sense that she would have still been with duncan had that been the case.

again, maybe i'm looking too into it, but that makes me think that her feelings are there for logan and that it may actually work out this time.

great great finale though. i was very pleased.
I loved that dream sequence. I'd like to think that's what it meant in terms of Veronica and Logan also.

[Nick Lopez]

I'm going to be honest, I was a little underwhelmed at first, I think it was because I predicted it would be Beaver and then there was no twist to make it not him. But I liked the episode; the dream sequences were excellent, and Kristen Bell was phenomenal.

Sooo... spoilers here.


The whole Beaver raping Veronica bit... so does that mean that Duncan didn't have sex with Veronica that night? Or did Beaver rape her afterwards? On that same note then... wouldn't Duncan have an STD then too?

As for the case, I mean I think they want you to believe it's a lot of money since Kendal had just gotten a lot of it from Beaver's property business, but I'm sure it's something else.

Was everyone just unaware of Aaron's murder? Since after he was shot, it seemed like it wasn't mentioned at all again.

The show better get picked up by the CW. On that note... "CW?" "It's a done deal." --- clever.

How odd, that sounds almost exactly like somethign over at the eonline boards..

But yeah, I, too, was underwhelmed at first. After letting it sink in, though..wow.

[Serenity]

On another note, what's people's opinion of Rob Thomas saying he's going to have three mysteries next year, shorter stint mysteries, not full season ones. I think I like it, but he's done so well with these full season ones so far.

I think I'll trust Rob's judgment... he's done a good job so far. I think he said he'll be handling the rape investigation at the college Veronica visited this year, along with a couple others.

I do think I'll miss the season long mystery and the big reveal, though.

[sbalfourish]

The whole Beaver raping Veronica bit... so does that mean that Duncan didn't have sex with Veronica that night? Or did Beaver rape her afterwards? On that same note then... wouldn't Duncan have an STD then too?

Was everyone just unaware of Aaron's murder? Since after he was shot, it seemed like it wasn't mentioned at all again.


Duncan had sex with Veronica after she was raped by Beaver. He admitted as much in A Trip To The Dentist last year. I believe it was implied that they used a condom that time, as well as it's more difficult to transmit an STD from female -> male than male -> female, so it's more than possible that Duncan does not have it.

Aaron's murder got one mention, which was Keith asking how Logan was handling everything. And Veronica said he was referring to himself as Little Orphan Annie, so not very well at all.

As far as the killer reveal, I liked it. I had a feeling it'd be Cassidy, but it took real balls to stick with that route. People liked Beaver, he was a fan favorite. To reveal him as a rapist and mass murderer was awesome. Especially since one of the reasonings behind people thinking Logan wasn't Lilly's murderer was that the fans liked the character too much. This year the villian wasn't so cut and dry. So, Aaron murdered Lilly? No one really cared about him to the point where they were like NO NOT HIM. But with Beaver/Cassidy, you have people going "oh, that poor fucked up kid" and nooooo not Beaver.

The Jackie and Wallace subplot could have been dropped though.

[to kill this]

hey guys, thanks for the update. i missed it and i'm pissed. i forgot and watched house instead, i know i'm a dumbfuck. haha

[TJ Wells]

Confirmed for a 3rd season!!! EVERYONE CELEBRATE!!!

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20060518/114795386400.html;_ylt=Al.pSn7yQkhm NqYd4luns5KRsVoB

[Serenity]

cheers

[drudo182]

No thanks.

Everwood didn't make the CW lineup.

I hope every show on that network flatlines, besides Smallville.

Sorry, I'm a tad pissed off to see my favorite show snubbed considering it IS the best writing and acting on TV now.

[TJ Wells]

No thanks.

Everwood didn't make the CW lineup.

I hope every show on that network flatlines, besides Smallville.

Sorry, I'm a tad pissed off to see my favorite show snubbed considering it IS the best writing and acting on TV now.
ill give you its a good show...but sorry: lost, 24, greys anatomy, desperate housewives, all better writing/acting

[drudo182]

ill give you its a good show...but sorry: lost, 24, greys anatomy, desperate housewives, all better writing/acting

Nah.

I'll say LOST and 24 are two of my favorite shows, but those other two....ugh.

[Saves The Night]

I want to see her naked.

[livethesounds]

yea i want to seee her naked too

[Serenity]

http://www.veronicamarsonline.com/newsphotos/KristenBell_Self0205_1.jpg

mmm yummy.

[Saves The Night]

http://www.veronicamarsonline.com/newsphotos/KristenBell_Self0205_1.jpg

mmm yummy.Oh God, Thank you, thank you, thank you, i love you!!!!

[Serenity]

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/9893/kristenbell19vg.jpg

[Saves The Night]

http://somebodystopme.net/photos6/KristenBell1.jpg

I love google search... haha.please link it to your own server! oh god please!

[Serenity]

hmm does it show now?

otherwise:
http://www.giantmag.com/issue_08/girls_kristenbell.aspx

[Nick Lopez]

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/9893/kristenbell19vg.jpg
wow.

[Scott Weber]

wow, that's awesome.

[Saves The Night]

i love boobs in general

[Coronary Parasite]

i just watched the entire 2nd season in about 24 hours. haha go me.

and supernatural got renewed too, which was my major concern.

[TJ Wells]

Looks like I won't be doing much next week

[TJ Wells]

nope, not much at all.

[LostSymphonies]

beating off?

[EndlessMike]

This is gonna own me next week too. I missed a bunch of episodes while at school, and I swear to god I missed the exact same episodes when they replayed them this summer, so I can't wait to watch season 2 in its entirety.

[TJ Wells]

5 days and counting. Who's excited?

[fluke182]

I was going to tell you this but I figured you'd not cheat on the show and wait for it on TV, but it is playing MSN Entertainment already so if you want to watch the premiere you can. GOD I WANT TO! They changed the theme song apparently, they've remixed We Used to Be Friends and made it a lot slower is the word on the street. Stupid CW messing with perfection! No less, beyond excited. Next week = best week in TV history, or at least til Finales. Veronica Mars Tuesday, Lost Wednesday and the grand poobah, Battlestar Galactica on Friday. Cannot wait!

[ClemTiger0408]

I'm excited. The writing style is going to be different this season. Only picked up for like a dozen episodes so far. So we need to make sure it stays on the air!

[EndlessMike]

Yeah, I couldn't wait and ended up watching it online. They did change the opening sequence completely, but I didn't really mind it. The episode was fantastic and that's all that matters.

[livethesounds]

i dont watch it, but i have, and i think shes the hottest girl on tv.

[Split2nd]

i dont watch it, but i have, and i think shes the hottest girl on tv.
First time I've ever agreed with you.

Not gonna lie, I fuckin' love this show.

[EndlessMike]

If you watched the season premiere online or if you watch it tonight, tell me where the hell I've seen the teacher's assistant in Veronica's Criminal Justice class from? I searched all over and couldn't figure it out for the life of me. It's really pissing me off

[xTJx]

Link to the premier?

[TJ Wells]

WHAT is with the girl talk during the commercials?

[LearningFromPop]

If you watched the season premiere online or if you watch it tonight, tell me where the hell I've seen the teacher's assistant in Veronica's Criminal Justice class from? I searched all over and couldn't figure it out for the life of me. It's really pissing me offI'm pretty sure it's Lucky the janitor who was in an episode or two in S2

[TJ Wells]

I'm pretty sure it's Lucky the janitor who was in an episode or two in S2
correct

[fluke182]

Loved the episode, was confused as to what was going on with the Fitzpatrick brother and Keith (and the ensuing mess that was going on). Should I have gotten it? The season ended with Kendall and Keith working out some sort of deal, but I am not sure what was happening with that.

Also, I absolutely detest the new credits. They are terrible. Bring back the old ones, they were a thousand times better. Last years were timed so perfectly, use those and add Piz and Mac to them and we're set! Come on Ronnie Mars!

[FondestMemory]

i was fairly underwhelmed with the opener.

i don't know. i guess i just wish it picked up not as long after the finale. wasn't bad though. i'll keep watching.

and i'm glad kendall's dead finally. hated her character. but man will i miss those boobies.

[AloneInTheDark]

I can't wait to see it, but I picked up on the show late (I just finished the first season, and now I'm on the second season), but now I am tivoing everything until I finish season two.

[KOJINAKAMURA]

This is the Second Best Show ever Aired on T.V. right behind Angel

[xTJx]

I don't understand what's going on with the plot now. Why did Kendall get shot by the Ex-Mayor?

[TJ Wells]

Holy SHIT. SHAWN HUNTER is on Veronica Mars!!!

[EndlessMike]

Holy SHIT. SHAWN HUNTER is on Veronica Mars!!!

Hahaha. When the showed Wallace I caught a glimpse of him and was like "what the fuck is that Shawn Hunter?" Then they showed the kid from Freaks & Geeks, then they went back and I was like "holy shit is is Shawn Hunter!" He was pretty fucking crazy in this episode.

[TJ Wells]

Hahaha. When the showed Wallace I caught a glimpse of him and was like "what the fuck is that Shawn Hunter?" Then they showed the kid from Freaks & Geeks, then they went back and I was like "holy shit is is Shawn Hunter!" He was pretty fucking crazy in this episode.
im surprised theyve done almost nothing w/ veronica and logan so far...im sure they will later though...and i thought at the beginning the rapist was the dude from AD, i may be wrong as he's not in any of these episodes, though

[xTJx]

The season is rather gay so far. Is the big mystery the rape? Who the fuck cares?

[fluke182]

The season is rather gay so far. Is the big mystery the rape? Who the fuck cares?
You suck at life. Rob Thomas said there is going to be 3 mysteries this year, each in small arcs as opposed to the full season mysteries of the previous two season. I personally love it, is there anything wrong with a little bit of character based stories that aren't mysteries? This show is good regardless of mysteries, and these two episodes have shown it very well.

[EndlessMike]

im surprised theyve done almost nothing w/ veronica and logan so far...im sure they will later though...and i thought at the beginning the rapist was the dude from AD, i may be wrong as he's not in any of these episodes, though

Yeah I read an interview with the creator a little while ago that said that he wanted both of the AD kids who were on it last year to come back, but I guess if it happens it's only going to be for another episode or two again, which makes me doubt he'll be the rapist.

I'm sure Veronica and Logan's story will have more to do with it at some point, and Dick will probably be involved with their story too, as I don't really see how else they'll get him in the plot, unless he's the rapist (which wouldn't really make sense).

And just as a side note, I think the new kid Piz is going to end up getting on my nerves.

[TJ Wells]

hey! regina spektor!!!

[EndlessMike]

hey! regina spektor!!!

Yeah that was sweet. Fit nicely too. The OC gets all the hype for the music they use, but VM usually has pretty good music in its eps.

Do you think Logan's gambling problem will be a continuous story or not? If it is it could be used for a couple of the single episode mysteries. It didn't really seem like they resolved it, but it didn't really seem like they were going to keep it going. I don't know.

And what the hell happened to Weevil. Dude's bloated as hell.

[TJ Wells]

Yeah that was sweet. Fit nicely too. The OC gets all the hype for the music they use, but VM usually has pretty good music in its eps.

Do you think Logan's gambling problem will be a continuous story or not? If it is it could be used for a couple of the single episode mysteries. It didn't really seem like they resolved it, but it didn't really seem like they were going to keep it going. I don't know.

And what the hell happened to Weevil. Dude's bloated as hell.
it didnt really seem like a problem. he was just gambling.

[bduke13]

I don't watch this show but apparantly a band from around here, 451, was in the first episode as 'The Unwashed'

[EndlessMike]

It's a bummer this thread isn't more alive, I could talk about this show all day.

I really don't think that Mercer guy commited the rapings, it's just a little too obvious. Right now my money's on the T.A., although that seems a little obvious as well. I really wish there was a little more Wallace this season, hopefully once the rape story ends and the new arc starts up he'll be featured more prominently. The Logan/Veronica realtionship looks like it's gonna come to a head next week, and I can't friggin' wait.

And lastly, I used find the woman who plays Harmony attractive when I saw Just Shoot Me(mainly due to her huge breasts), but she's pretty much disgusting me on VM, I don't know what happened.

[livethesounds]

It's a bummer this thread isn't more alive, I could talk about this show all day.

I really don't think that Mercer guy commited the rapings, it's just a little too obvious. Right now my money's on the T.A., although that seems a little obvious as well. I really wish there was a little more Wallace this season, hopefully once the rape story ends and the new arc starts up he'll be featured more prominently. The Logan/Veronica realtionship looks like it's gonna come to a head next week, and I can't friggin' wait.

And lastly, I used find the woman who plays Harmony attractive when I saw Just Shoot Me(mainly due to her huge breasts), but she's pretty much disgusting me on VM, I don't know what happened.

i cant talk about anything all day. much less a dumb tv show.

but veronica mars is the hottest girl on tv, so yea.

[xTJx]

i cant talk about anything all day. much less a dumb tv show.

but veronica mars is the hottest girl on tv, so yea.
True that. It's half the reason why I watch the show.

[Kram41]

More people need to watch this show so it gets picked up for another season. It's the best show on TV right now.

[xTJx]

I'm calling the residence RA to be the rapist. That guy is creepy as woah.

[xTJx]

Damn that was one crazy ending.

[EndlessMike]

Damn that was one crazy ending.

Yeah it was. But seriously, isn't Veronica supposed to be smart? I don't think a smart person would really decide to go find a rapist all by herself, although it was badass when she stabbed him with the unicorn. When Logan went and bashed the cops windshield, that was fantastic, probably my favorite part of the episode.

So I know this thread isn't super alive, but who does everyone think killed Dean O'Dell? I'm pretty much positive Weevil will be arrested for it, but I doubt he did it. My bet is the crazy TA/Lucky. He just got finished reading all those perfect murder papers, and while the only motive I could see is possibly the Professor paying him to do it or something, that's something I'm sure Veronica would figure out for me. So what do you think?

[fluke182]

Yeah it was. But seriously, isn't Veronica supposed to be smart? I don't think a smart person would really decide to go find a rapist all by herself, although it was badass when she stabbed him with the unicorn. When Logan went and bashed the cops windshield, that was fantastic, probably my favorite part of the episode.

So I know this thread isn't super alive, but who does everyone think killed Dean O'Dell? I'm pretty much positive Weevil will be arrested for it, but I doubt he did it. My bet is the crazy TA/Lucky. He just got finished reading all those perfect murder papers, and while the only motive I could see is possibly the Professor paying him to do it or something, that's something I'm sure Veronica would figure out for me. So what do you think?
Logan going to beat the windshield and then going to jail to kick their ass was the best part of the entire series in my opinion. Logan is so awesome, it bothers me how lame Veronica is to him. Not to act like a girl, but there relationship is my favorite part of the series. I've loved watching it bob and weave and grow, although this year Logan hasn't been able to throw down his anger. Not so much anymore!

Great, great, great fall finale. Loved it to pieces.

[a speedo model]

She is very hawt..

[Scott Weber]

What a fucking GREAT finale. Best episode of Veronica Mars ever. huge.

[Chancetobe]

What a fucking GREAT finale. Best episode of Veronica Mars ever. huge.

That was the finale????? It couldn't have been. I need more, more i say, more!!!!!!

[Scott Weber]

That was the finale????? It couldn't have been. I need more, more i say, more!!!!!!
fall finale. i believe it got extended for a full season pickup.

[Chancetobe]

fall finale. i believe it got extended for a full season pickup.

o thank goodness. I was worried there for a bit. When does it come back on?

[hardluck]

o thank goodness. I was worried there for a bit. When does it come back on?

I dont think until January or some bullshit.


Anyone think there is something with that one feminist w/ the septum piercing? maybe she was raped? killed the dean?

[Chancetobe]

I dont think until January or some bullshit.


Anyone think there is something with that one feminist w/ the septum piercing? maybe she was raped? killed the dean?

Ahh, January. That sucks.

But, i don't know what feminist your reffering too.

[Serenity]

fall finale. i believe it got extended for a full season pickup.

yeah, 20 episodes. there's two mysteries left, I think the the next one is 5 episodes and then the last one will be 6. I wish it was as long as last season.

Anyone think there is something with that one feminist w/ the septum piercing? maybe she was raped? killed the dean?

She annoys the hell out of me. I originally thought she was going to be the one shaving the heads of the girls, and that it was part of their plot to get rid of the frat houses. I think she'll end up as a suspect to the murder at least.

Great episode, and I agree about the Logan/windshield part...

[fluke182]

I want to rewatch this, so far these fall finales are coming up aces (2 for 2 so far, Prison Break and VM), let's hope Heroes can match the other two's goodness. It's going to be tough though, bought of those finales were series classics.

[EndlessMike]

yeah, 20 episodes. there's two mysteries left, I think the the next one is 5 episodes and then the last one will be 6. I wish it was as long as last season.

I read something a while ago that it's actually supposed to be 7 episodes for the second mystery and 6 for the third, but stupid CW only ordered 20 episodes instead of 22. It seriously bothers me how such good shows don't get the viewers while lame ones stay on the air forever.

[Serenity]

I read something a while ago that it's actually supposed to be 7 episodes for the second mystery and 6 for the third, but stupid CW only ordered 20 episodes instead of 22. It seriously bothers me how such good shows don't get the viewers while lame ones stay on the air forever.



errr shit. I was wrong. I saw an interview and Rob Thomas said the plans for the last arc are being compressed down to only FOUR episodes long. Damn.

[Chancetobe]

I read something a while ago that it's actually supposed to be 7 episodes for the second mystery and 6 for the third, but stupid CW only ordered 20 episodes instead of 22. It seriously bothers me how such good shows don't get the viewers while lame ones stay on the air forever.

I know. Anytime there's a fairy decent show on tv, viewers just don't seem to like it. Personaly, I think Veronica Mars is too smart and witty for the average person. It's just over thier heads.

[Serenity]

Link: Rob Thomas talks VM (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4992edd6-8f92-4afd-b1a4-d98abaf9af4f)

check it out. some interesting stuff.


What’s the plan for the rest of the season?
Well, you’ll be the first person to hear this. There has been talk—more than talk—about dropping the whole big mystery idea after this middle mystery and to do all stand-alone episodes and sort of a combination of a few things. The network is behind it, and I am interested in heading in that direction.

[Scott Weber]

Link: Rob Thomas talks VM (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4992edd6-8f92-4afd-b1a4-d98abaf9af4f)

check it out. some interesting stuff.


What’s the plan for the rest of the season?
Well, you’ll be the first person to hear this. There has been talk—more than talk—about dropping the whole big mystery idea after this middle mystery and to do all stand-alone episodes and sort of a combination of a few things. The network is behind it, and I am interested in heading in that direction.
noooooooooo. i don't like it when VM is stand-alone stuff, i like bigger, drawn out mysteries.

[EndlessMike]

Link: Rob Thomas talks VM (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4992edd6-8f92-4afd-b1a4-d98abaf9af4f)

check it out. some interesting stuff.


What’s the plan for the rest of the season?
Well, you’ll be the first person to hear this. There has been talk—more than talk—about dropping the whole big mystery idea after this middle mystery and to do all stand-alone episodes and sort of a combination of a few things. The network is behind it, and I am interested in heading in that direction.


That was a pretty good interview, but I don't know if I'm fully behind the whole stand-alone episodes thing. I mean, I know the show will still be good no matter what, but I like the on-going mystery thing, it just adds something. A lot of the episodes have their own case, but finding out something new about the big mystery every week is awesome. I guess I can understand why they would want to change it up a bit to bring in more viewers, but I definitely wouldn't them to do all stand-alone episodes in season 4.

[chokeychicken]

Is anybody as sick-to-your-stomach obessed with this show as i am? i got introduced to it about a month ago and after watching the pilot episode, i dropped everything else I was watching (including season 6 of the sopranos!) and tore through season 1 like it was a drunk cheerleader.

if you need some good television, please rent this show. it's like the OC except with wit, charm, and good acting....mixed in with a little law and order.

thoughts?

[Chancetobe]

I'm pretty sure there's already a Veronica Mars thread. But, to answer your question, i'm just as obsessed with this show as you are. It's amazing. There's honestly nothing bad about this show.

[Serenity]

I hope it gets renewed for next season, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of individual episode mysteries...

[chokeychicken]

I hope it gets renewed for next season, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of individual episode mysteries...

i'm about 3/4 of the way through season 2, so i haven't touched season 3 yet, but i heard they do something different. personally, i loved season's one method where there was a mini-mystery each episode but somehow someway we got closer and closer to finding out who killed whatsherface.

this show makes me beyond happy. before i started my winter break class, i was watching 3 or 4 episodes a day. its sickening.

[AloneInTheDark]

Isn't there supposed to be new episodes this season? starting in like January?

[chokeychicken]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_mars

[chokeychicken]

ressurecting this thread.

new episodes january 23rd.

[xTJx]

I would totally bang her.

[chokeychicken]

I would totally bang her.

i want to date her. we can just kiss and hold hands. i just want to date her.

[music3chick]

so should i start a new thread for the 4th season?

i loves the first episode. Classic Mars digging for the truth.
Almost makes me want to become a private investigator myself.

[EndlessMike]

so should i start a new thread for the 4th season?

i loves the first episode. Classic Mars digging for the truth.
Almost makes me want to become a private investigator myself.


It's still the 3rd season, so no. First episode back was pretty solid, I just wish they went through with the no fur nudes.

[FondestMemory]

i don't like piz. i really don't want them to end up together by the end of the season.

and fucking wallace needs to be in it more. fucking mac is taking all his face time.

[Scott Weber]

why's everyone hate piz? my roommate hates him too. i like him - logan's fallen out of favor me. he treats veronica like crap and he's so sullen all the time now. plus, he's become a really bad "low talker" and that pisses me off.

[FondestMemory]

i'm not the biggest logan fan either, however i like him much more this season than in the past, but piz just annoys me. i'm perfectly fine with her not being with either one. i don't mind her with logan, but i wouldn't care if they break up for good. i just don't want to see her with piz because that would mean him being on the show more.

[Scott Weber]

hm. i like piz. i think he's nice, supportive, and mildly funny. i think him and veronica have good chemistry - a great moment was when they set up lawn chairs on that guy's driveway while the cops opened his garage and busted him for all the stuff he stole from the college.

[FondestMemory]

i think he's just coming off as desperate and that's why i don't like him. like, he knows about logan but just seems to shut himself off to finding an alternative and just seems kinda pathetic. veronica clearly likes him as a freind, but he doesn't seem content with that, and that bothers me. i think that's why i don't like him.

[chokeychicken]

piz is a tool.

[chokeychicken]

i'm not the biggest logan fan either, however i like him much more this season than in the past, but piz just annoys me. i'm perfectly fine with her not being with either one. i don't mind her with logan, but i wouldn't care if they break up for good. i just don't want to see her with piz because that would mean him being on the show more.

how can you not be a logan fan?

he's the best part of the show!

almost everything he says is hysterical and snarky.

plus, he's the ONLY person who can actually hang with V in a battle of wit.

[Scott Weber]

i think he's just coming off as desperate and that's why i don't like him. like, he knows about logan but just seems to shut himself off to finding an alternative and just seems kinda pathetic. veronica clearly likes him as a freind, but he doesn't seem content with that, and that bothers me. i think that's why i don't like him.
who wouldn't be less than content with friendship? it's veronica dude, she's hot.

[Scott Weber]

how can you not be a logan fan?

he's the best part of the show!

almost everything he says is hysterical and snarky.

plus, he's the ONLY person who can actually hang with V in a battle of wit.
logan USED to be those things. he's so sulky now.

[music3chick]

It's still the 3rd season, so no. First episode back was pretty solid, I just wish they went through with the no fur nudes.

oh, my mistake


i like piz. he's adorable.

[fluke182]

logan USED to be those things. he's so sulky now.
True that. Logan is awesome, however he's been de-balled this season. That's coming from Ronnie Mars superfan #1 here. They've made him a glorified pet of Veronica, he needs to stop looking like he's going to cry all the time and be a badass again. The type of person we'd believe would destroy a cop's windshield so he could kick the shit out of the two guys that tried to rape his girlfriend. Honestly, if he was back to that, the show would be back to it's former glory. Still great, just not AS great. Very good ep this week though, I enjoyed.

And I like Piz. I'd prefer Logan to quit being a baby all the time and take control of the situation, but having both of them is preferable. Here's an idea though, how about Wallace appears in consecutive episodes...ever. That'd be cool. The show needs more supporting cast. More Wallace. More Keith. More Mac. More Dick being stupid and hilarious.

[Chancetobe]

Did you guys just see that? Dick seemed to have had feelings!

[ghostyouare]

This episode better be good. I'm almost growing out of favor with this show, and I used to be such a HUGE fan. Season 3 has left me severely dissapointed.

Season 1 remains, in my eyes, to be one of the best overall seasons of television.

[Chancetobe]

This episode better be good. I'm almost growing out of favor with this show, and I used to be such a HUGE fan. Season 3 has left me severely dissapointed.

Season 1 remains, in my eyes, to be one of the best overall seasons of television.

Season 3, while not as good as Season 1, is still better than the majority of the stuff on tv. I've stopped watching most tv, but, I watch VM religiously.

[ghostyouare]

For me, it used to be:

Veronica Mars is better than anything on TV.

Then it was:

Veronica Mars is better than the majority of the stuff on TV.

Now it's:

Veronica Mars is better than some of the stuff on TV.

[ghostyouare]

There are multiple shows that I would choose over Veronica Mars right now. I really hope tonight is good, and gives me some more faith.

[Chancetobe]

This episode doesn't seem that great so far, but, last weeks episode was amazing. I was glued to the tv, and freaking out when they made it seem like Veronica was pregnant.

[ghostyouare]

Last week was okay, and I was just so dissapointed that they were even putting it out there that they might take it that route. I guessed it was for a MOTW (I haven't seen the ep yet, so don't tell me what it is for..) but damn the CW for thinking that's what its viewers want to see.

A lot of the blame lies with the CW.

[Chancetobe]

Yeah, they were just trying to get more viewers, by taking away the season long mystery. But, I enjoyed them. They may be under-estimating the general public a bit by doing that. Because, I thought the season long mysterys added something to the show, that it's kinda lacking now. It's still good, but, it was better before.

[ghostyouare]

After watching that episode, I was pleased.

[Chancetobe]

Good... Veronica Mars can't afford to loose any more viewers.

[ghostyouare]

Agh! Not to be a downer on everything VM lately, but damn this: Ausiello said that Piz and Veronica will for sure be getting together. I mean, I like his character and all but as a replacement for Logan?! No way. Hopefully they don't screw it up.

[Chancetobe]

What? Thats... really not an idea I like. He's a sweet guy, but I just can't see them being together. Logan or Duncan all the way.

[chokeychicken]

logan is the best character on the show.

i just downloaded tuesdays episode. so pumped.

[Chancetobe]

logan is the best character on the show.

i just downloaded tuesdays episode. so pumped.

Well... I'd say Veronica is the best character on the show. But Logan's up there. I like Mac too. And I liked Bever a lot before he turned out to be a crazed killer/rapist.

[FondestMemory]

not enough wallace this season. that's really starting to bug me.

[TJ Wells]

So this may have already been discussed, but did anyone see what is replacing VM for like 8 weeks starting in March?

Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search For The Next Doll

sounds like unbelievably exciting tv.

I always wondered if CBS would pick up Veronica Mars if it was cancelled, as they aired reruns of it a lot awhile back. Anyone have any info on this?

[Chancetobe]

So this may have already been discussed, but did anyone see what is replacing VM for like 8 weeks starting in March?

Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search For The Next Doll

sounds like unbelievably exciting tv.

I always wondered if CBS would pick up Veronica Mars if it was cancelled, as they aired reruns of it a lot awhile back. Anyone have any info on this?

That's like replacing Diamonds with dirt. WTF CW?

-I'd hope that CBS would pick up Veronica Mars if it ever get's canceled. Although, i'm not sure they will - I guess it depends on the numbers. Is veronica getting any more viewers than last year? Then again... maybe if this show was on a more mainstream network, it would get more viewers, since semi-smart shows have been doing well lately.

[chokeychicken]

i would lose all faith in television if a show as solid as veronica mars got dropped due simply to lack of promotion.

[Chancetobe]

I would agree. However, it's not all that un-probably that it'll get dropped at some point because it doesn't have enough attention.

[TJ Wells]

Yeah, chances are this'll be it's last season...at least on the CW. But to whoever asked, yes, it did receive a nice little ratings boost due to the move to the CW, but not a huge one.

[Chancetobe]

Well... every little bit of a ratings boost helps. I don't want this show to go. If I loose Veronica Mars and Gilmore at the same time... I would probably just stop watching tv all together.

[EndlessMike]

Seriously where the fuck is Wallace. This is getting ridiculous.

[FondestMemory]

i'm convinced the network wanting to go to only single episode mysteries means the end is near. if they do get a third season, the network doesn't want a season long mystery, or even any mystery with a multi episode arc.

that just seems to me like they're preparing to rip it off the air if need be without leaving a major story untold.

[ghostyouare]

Um, that's definitely not true. @ TJ Wells saying this is most likely their last season.

Rob Thomas said it's "more than a coin's toss" chance that it will be four, and Kristen Bell said there most likely WILL be. This was just a week and a half ago.

[Chancetobe]

i'm convinced the network wanting to go to only single episode mysteries means the end is near. if they do get a third season, the network doesn't want a season long mystery, or even any mystery with a multi episode arc.

that just seems to me like they're preparing to rip it off the air if need be without leaving a major story untold.

No... this is just to get new viewers, since some people wern't watching, because they felt like they couldn't catch up.

[burnsobright]

the thought of the show being canceled...M-(
i will be a sad girl.

[FondestMemory]

No... this is just to get new viewers, since some people wern't watching, because they felt like they couldn't catch up.

yeah, that's what they're gonna say. i'm still convinced it's to make it easier to pull off the air if they want to.

[Chancetobe]

yeah, that's what they're gonna say. i'm still convinced it's to make it easier to pull off the air if they want to.

That would suck if they decide to pull it off the air and use this as a precursor. It would show that there's absolutly no honestly in today's media whatsoever.

[chokeychicken]

season 3 has not impressed me whatsoever. i found myself almost BORED with last weeks episode, and that has never even come close to happening to me with this show.

[TJ Wells]

Despite what happens, from what I understand they didn't write a series finale, they wrote a season finale, so maybe they know something we don't.

[whiteboypain]

This is the best.