Dun Dun Dun, TBS Video

[Frank Giaramita]

Here (http://music.yahoo.com/ar-291852---Taking-Back-Sunday) is the controversial Taking Back Sunday (www.takingbacksunday.com) video for "Set Phasers To Stun".

[Codered11]

ok im confused...i saw it earlier today, ive read about it...whats so controversial about it?! its a joke..bands can have fun

[leocorrea]

people said it was funny.. and i agree, the first few seconds of it were funny. but its only kids dancing the whole time, which isn't so funny after a while.

dumb video. idiots

[Frank Giaramita]

ok im confused...i saw it earlier today, ive read about it...whats so controversial about it?! its a joke..bands can have fun

It's controversial because supposedly this whole ordeal a direct shot at Victory Records. I don't know, this band has gone down the shitter anyway. "Where You Want To Be" made for a good frisby... that's about the extense of it.

[Francese5]

how many more posts are we going to have about this video?

[somebodypunchme]

this is almost as bad as you're so last summer

[redxluckyxcharm]

ok im confused...i saw it earlier today, ive read about it...whats so controversial about it?! its a joke..bands can have fun

I was thinkin about the same thing! its just some people in white dancing. I find it more interesting and entertaining than those music videos where the band is in a room just playing the song. Controversial.. HA(!) what a joke. Looks like good ole fashion hungarian dance troupe! hee hee

[smalltownsburn]

We have to beat the FOB record, because it's so controversial.. :headshake

[Frank Giaramita]

how many more posts are we going to have about this video?

I'm going to try and squeeze 7 more out before the night is over.

(sexual connotation not intended)

[redxluckyxcharm]

[QUOTE=Francese5]how many more posts are we going to have about this video?[/QUOTE

58,317,652..........You know I'm right

[WalmartPhotoGuy]

Okay. Wywtb Was Not That Bad. I Love Caps Lock. Today, My Grandma Forgot My Name. I'm Not Kidding. :(

[irthesteve]

haha, great video

[Scott Weber]

what. the. fuck. as if I needed another reason to hate Taking Back Sunday's new album anymore - seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this band?

[MrChainsaw389]

It won't let me watch it. Oh well.

[leocorrea]

how many more posts are we going to have about this video?
they repost when they don't got shit to post for news.

[Suprhatch614]

i thought it was funny....when did lightheartedness become anti-scene...the guys in the band are all funny guys, about time someone made a funny video again, better than that smoking pile yellowcard put out for their last single

[DeadVictoryRose]

I hate Launch, if you use a mac its worthless.

[WalmartPhotoGuy]

what. the. fuck. as if I needed another reason to hate Taking Back Sunday's new album anymore - seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this band?

Are you serious?

[TranslateTheNam]

can u explain how its a shot at victory??? I may be out of the loop....

[Frank Giaramita]

they repost when they don't got shit to post for news.

The video link itself was never posted, just articles and such. And the way I see it, if everybody is reading so much about it and hearing so much.,.. wouldn't you want to ACTUALLY SEE THE VIDEO instead of just reading about it the past few days!?

[chaoticXpunk]

Haha... wtf. That's... different...?

[Frank Giaramita]

can u explain how its a shot at victory??? I may be out of the loop....

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1501543/20050509/taking_back_sunday.jhtml?headlines= true

[NFG4ever]

what. the. fuck. as if I needed another reason to hate Taking Back Sunday's new album anymore - seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this band?

I honestly think this is a shot by victory records. They stated they didn't want to make video's any more so Victory responded with something stupid like that to make them look like idiots.

- Keep in mind this my opinion.....

[leocorrea]

The video link itself was never posted, just articles and such. And the way I see it, if everybody is reading so much about it and hearing so much.,.. wouldn't you want to ACTUALLY SEE THE VIDEO instead of just reading about it the past few days!?
well, you're right. there wasn't a direct link to the video.. but there was a link to a launch.com page, which had a link to the video there.

[Frank Giaramita]

I honestly think this is a shot by victory records. They stated they didn't want to make video's any more so Victory responded with something stupid like that to make them look like idiots.

- Keep in mind this my opinion.....

Who knows, I just don't think a band would waste their time making a video like this if there wasn't some justified intent and reason to do so. I don't know.

well, you're right. there wasn't a direct link to the video.. but there was a link to a launch.com page, which had a link to the video there.

That's not direct :animateds

But yeah, I wanted to give people a place to discuss the video itself, instead of seeing people discuss the articles about the video... that shit's lame.

[leocorrea]

ha, i figured it was a direct link.. and didn't bother actually checking.

oh well, i'll quit my complaining and such now.

[AshesAshes]

hahaha

[Talib Scottie]

Taking Back Sunday's videos are never that great. I enjoyed Cute Without the 'e' and the Timberwolves and New Jersey ones, but the rest are nothing exciting at all.

[The Gray Ghost]

I had to download Netscape to get the pop-up to work, but all it does is keep playing commercials, whatever. I'll just wait for PunkRockVids to post it.

[listen2theused]

man, i like tbs, but this video is stupid. its retarted. end of story

[Frequency]

I thought the video was boring.

[The Silencer]

it was obviously a shot at victory, because if it wasn't, the production probably would've been better and the video would've been cleaned up a lot...I don't know, it just seems like this video was really rough around the edges and wasn't made for tv...

[THEfall of Kyle]

hah

[Codered11]

man, i like tbs, but this video is stupid. its retarted. end of story

hahahahaha retarted eh? sorry for bein an ass bad had to quote it only to enlighten your reading of the soon to be 94 posts

[paen]

I hate Launch, if you use a mac its worthless.

agreed, im not gunna put something like netscape on my mac.

[NFG4ever]

[QUOTE=Frank Giaramita]Who knows, I just don't think a band would waste their time making a video like this if there wasn't some justified intent and reason to do so. I don't know.



Yeah, I find it really hard to believe TBS would make a video like that , Wasn't the video delivered on one of their door steps ? and in the post earlier the band didn't seem to to pleased with it as well..... They were kinda making fun of it etc ,so I definitely believe this is a cheap takin by Victory , considering that Taking Back Sunday said they didn't want to make video any more which means less money for Victory , and just recently Taking Back Sunday leaving the label, Adam has also been complaining and stating how much they suck at recent concerts etc , so they're is definitely a little thing is going on and I truly believe this is dirty work done by Victory.

[buysoap]

i dont think its very controversial. i think it's the best video they've ever done save "cute without the e"

[urowndisaster52]

It's controversial because supposedly this whole ordeal a direct shot at Victory Records. I don't know, this band has gone down the shitter anyway. "Where You Want To Be" made for a good frisby... that's about the extense of it.
o yes....i've vowed to never but that cd in my cd player ever again

[TaySavesTheDay]

Taking Back Sunday's videos are never that great. I enjoyed Cute Without the 'e' and the Timberwolves and New Jersey ones, but the rest are nothing exciting at all.

I loved the fight club story line to their video... i think with a bit bigger budget it would have been one of the best music videos ever.

[xearlynovemberx]

there last 2 videos have sucked....

and i thought tbs like signed to warner brother records or some shit or were going 2

[theDrunkPianist]

Wow...I loved TBS so much..This video sucked too much.

[Codered11]

Wow...I loved TBS so much..This video sucked too much.

now i dont mean to attack you by quoting you but mainly to everyone who has written something similar...try not to think of it as a music video they want on mtv...i think it needs to be looked at with different expectations....

[ForeverInADay]

Okay. Wywtb Was Not That Bad. I Love Caps Lock. Today, My Grandma Forgot My Name. I'm Not Kidding. :(
hahahahahahahahaha that was so much better then the video.

God damn, what a fucking horrible video.

[FrzenRopes]

Haha holy crap that video was retarded (no offense to any of you Down Syndrome folk).

Definitely one of those so-stupid-it's-funny things. I for one enjoyed it just because it was so stupid.

[Frank Giaramita]

now i dont mean to attack you by quoting you but mainly to everyone who has written something similar...try not to think of it as a music video they want on mtv...i think it needs to be looked at with different expectations....

From my understanding, it will be on Fuse's Over Fresh, but don't hold me to that.

[jawkneephighv]

It's controversial because supposedly this whole ordeal a direct shot at Victory Records. I don't know, this band has gone down the shitter anyway. "Where You Want To Be" made for a good frisby... that's about the extense of it.
Try Ebay for "a sense of humor."

As for album 2 of TBS, it's fine -- what did you want? A Snickers to come out of the CD case with it as well? Nobody is satisfied these days.

[Codered11]

From my understanding, it will be on Fuse's Over Fresh, but don't hold me to that.

mmmyyyyy baaaddd....haha sorry had to drop it....id take my word over yours about this sort of thing...and in that case :headshake but like you said...there has to be something deeper to this

[ForeverInADay]

i just watched the video again, and it reminded me of a less funny Fat Boy Slim video, the one where they dance outside the whole time. whats it called....?

[jawkneephighv]

i just watched the video again, and it reminded me of a less funny Fat Boy Slim video, the one where they dance outside the whole time. whats it called....?
Same here but I can't remember the title either.

[be mine]

Something tells me we are being duped. Someone had to spend money to make this video. Was it victory or TBS?

[splitsecond]

Try Ebay for "a sense of humor."

As for album 2 of TBS, it's fine -- what did you want? A Snickers to come out of the CD case with it as well? Nobody is satisfied these days.

Yeah, stop trying to be funny. You failed twice in one post.

[beauty is dead]

Same here but I can't remember the title either.

it was "praise me"

[BreedTheKillers]

Nobody is satisfied these days.. haha, get it?? Snickers? Satisfied? Yeah, your right.. it still sucks.

splitsecondd 1
jawkneephighv 0

[ShoeSh1ne]

Love the video. Music videos are lame anyways for the most part.

[dumbcorey]

i'm glad i dont judge bands on their videos

[monkeyboyrock]

Call me numbed by the media these days...but if this video is "controversial," then we need to get rid of the people who make the decisions about what the definition of "controversial" is...give me a fucking break!!! Is break-dancing controversial??? Is a few kids eating sandwiches considered inappropriate for the eyes of mainstream television???

Or is it possible that this whole thing is just a lame-ass promo stunt??? Have I been sold hook, line, and sinker into this cunning ruse??? :ugly7:

I haven't read any of the other posts...they probably all go over this EXACT same thing. Man, sometimes I just don't like stuff...as lame as that may sound.

On a side note, I do enjoy how Taking Back Sunday aren't all gung-ho about being in every one of their videos...that shits overrated anyway...

[drumlife04]

heres another post....that video SUCKS :headshake :headshake :headshake :headshake

[Sureshot182]

ok, if this was a direct shot at victory..good job i guess, because it is the most worthless piece of shit i have ever seen. and yes, where you want to be is not too good.

[tolivm51]

From my understanding, it will be on Fuse's Over Fresh, but don't hold me to that.


According to today's Newsday, Fuse has taken it upon themselves to put the video on Oven Fresh. Apparently, Victory had nothing to do with Fuse deciding to air the video....or at least that's what the article states.

[jawkneephighv]

Yeah, stop trying to be funny. You failed twice in one post.
I'm not trying to be funny, jackass, so choke on your Gerber.

[crit]

ehhhhh

[murphy77]

i thought the video was funny and ill stand by tbs no matter what......now, anybody have error operator yet?

[Frank Giaramita]

Try Ebay for "a sense of humor."

As for album 2 of TBS, it's fine -- what did you want? A Snickers to come out of the CD case with it as well? Nobody is satisfied these days.

So... apparently people aren't entitled to "opinions" (look it up for an exact definition if you aren't familiar with that word). You saying "it's fine" isn't going to cause me to say..."Ahhh... ya know what... this kid has a hell of a point, I'm wrong for thinking the album sucks". And to answer your question, no, I didn't want a snickers to come in the CD case, as a matter of fact, I don't even like caramel. What I do like, however, is a CD with decent production and a singer who doesn't sing from his nose and sound like complete shit. (this is all my opinion, take it with a grain of salt). The reason why "Nobody is satisfied these days" is because less and less lasting and solid bands are coming out. Name me three artists from this "scene" who you think will be around for decades to come like The Rolling Stone, The Who, Zeppelin, Guns N Roses etc.... there's a very solid reason why people aren't satisfied... especially in an era where you are forced to wait three years for band's to release a new record. Also, how did I not have a sense of humor?... I didn't even watch the goddamn video, nor did I comment on the quality of it... I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

[the rog]

fatboy slim did a video that was entirely interpretive dance and it was hailed as genius.

then again, that had spike jonze too, and anything he does is gold.

[atticusfinch]

That's ridiculous that this is controversial.

Let 'em take a stab at Victory. Victory keeps signing the most SHITTY bands in the world.

I love how it makes it look like TBS is the brainchild of Victory.

[murphy77]

how the hell do i get scene points...not that i need them, just wondering

[splitsecond]

I'm not trying to be funny, jackass, so choke on your Gerber.

Strike three.

[splatoutofluck]

i'll undress myself for all of you guys if youre at all interested

[IAmCountryMusic]

wow victory records fucking sucks now

[1Roth4]

i hope this doesnt look bad on Tom Delonge as a music video director..now the band hates music videos where they get all made up and perform. for a first video tom did alright... he did a hell of a lot better than this piece of trash

[TSLpunk182]

i thought the video was funny and ill stand by tbs no matter what......now, anybody have error operator yet?


I will also stand by them too. I love both albums and they are still one of my favorite bands. I know a lot of people on here change their views about bands more than they change their underwear. A couple of weeks ago Fall Out Boy were like Gods, and once one bad review comes out a lot of people are changing their opinion about them. Fuck it, if your a fan of the band Stay Loyal, don't change your mind because someone on this staff trahes them all the time. (this is my first post being negative to a staff member or anything to do with absolutepunk.net, I love the site and all of the staff, but I just see something wrong when everyone just goes negative about one band all the time.)

[1Roth4]

great thing about ap.net... is there is a diverse staff that listens to a wide aray of music.. dont be suprised if one doesnt like your band.. chances are, another does... in the grand sceme of things its music. Its as objective as political philsophy, which is why we love it. There are so many kinds of music that make us feel so much more than others. When it all comes down to it, keep that band sacred to you, keep those lyrics trapt in your mind, and don't let what anyone says change who you are, and what you enjoy.. if you like tbs, rock on. If you don't.. then keep rockin out to whatever turns your crank. Too many ppl including myself take it as a personal attack when someone rips up another band. It's not an attack on you... Frank seems like a decent person with a good taste in music, so all their opinions are valid to many... shes not looking for the approval of everyone though.. i think we all, including myself need to stop taking this band bashing personally, and lets just embrace what we all have in common.. music

[Frank Giaramita]

great thing about ap.net... is there is a diverse staff that listens to a wide aray of music.. dont be suprised if one doesnt like your band.. chances are, another does... in the grand sceme of things its music. Its as objective as political philsophy, which is why we love it. There are so many kinds of music that make us feel so much more than others. When it all comes down to it, keep that band sacred to you, keep those lyrics trapt in your mind, and don't let what anyone says change who you are, and what you enjoy.. if you like tbs, rock on. If you don't.. then keep rockin out to whatever turns your crank. Too many ppl including myself take it as a personal attack when someone rips up another band. It's not an attack on you... Frank seems like a decent person with a good taste in music, so all their opinions are valid to many... shes not looking for the approval of everyone though.. i think we all, including myself need to stop taking this band bashing personally, and lets just embrace what we all have in common.. music

personally, I think TBS' new album blows horribly. I loved "Tell All Your Friends" but WWYTB just didnt cut it for me. I respect anyone who thinks otherwise, and if you dig them, buy their albums, shirts, merchandise, I don't give a fuck. But don't come into the forums and use a subjective feeling as offense for an argument in hopes of making me feel guilty or wrong in thinking what I think. It's downright idiotic.

[Dob]

interesting to say the least.

[drumlife04]

too much insulting goin on in the posts these days....

[splitsecond]

wow victory records fucking sucks now

They have sucked for quite a while now. However, the only reason they suck is because bands arent smart enough when they sign their contracts, and Victory fucks them.



In any event, I dont think this video is serious. Besides, TBS thrives on controversy, so they probably concocted this with the label.

[Darren McLeod]

I still think Where You Want To Be is the most overtrashed album I can think of. I can't remember an album getting beaten to death mercilessly like this when it wasn't, in fact, all that bad. It's weird... Under The Cork Tree isn't enough of a change from a previous release, so it gets bashed for that, but when TBS changed their sound, people decide to hate them for that, wanting more of the same, or something. Where You Want To Be wasn't a stellar album, by any means, but it was a lot better than everyone here makes it out to be. 6.8-7 out of 10, in my opinion, an above-average album. I bet that even if the only thing that changed on the album was switching the credits from Fred Mascherino to John Nolan, review scores and opinions would change drastically.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, the video was funny, but only for a one shot kinda deal. I would get sick of seeing it on TV soon enough.

[drumlife04]

great thing about ap.net... is there is a diverse staff that listens to a wide aray of music.. dont be suprised if one doesnt like your band.. chances are, another does... in the grand sceme of things its music. Its as objective as political philsophy, which is why we love it. There are so many kinds of music that make us feel so much more than others. When it all comes down to it, keep that band sacred to you, keep those lyrics trapt in your mind, and don't let what anyone says change who you are, and what you enjoy.. if you like tbs, rock on. If you don't.. then keep rockin out to whatever turns your crank. Too many ppl including myself take it as a personal attack when someone rips up another band. It's not an attack on you... Frank seems like a decent person with a good taste in music, so all their opinions are valid to many... shes not looking for the approval of everyone though.. i think we all, including myself need to stop taking this band bashing personally, and lets just embrace what we all have in common.. music

nicely put. massive scene points for you...that's what it's all about

[King Caesar]

It won't let me watch it. Oh well.

lucky you
it let me watch it :bazooka:

[BreedTheKillers]

-What I do like, however, is a CD with decent production and a singer who doesn't sing from his nose and sound like complete shit. (this is all my opinion, take it with a grain of salt).

-I loved "Tell All Your Friends" but WWYTB just didnt cut it for me.

Didn't he sing most of the vocals on the Tell All Your Friends?
Don't think his voice changed that much myself.
Also would have to say at a production level Where You Want to Be... was much better produced..

[veronabryce]

I say they should quit with all the drama bullshit and just play music. Their record company can dick around with them all they like, but as long as they keep playing music that pulls in awesome numbers, it wont really matter at all.

[Fury15]

what a shitty video

[grimis16]

Wholy shit that video sucks. I dont hate the song, but the video is even worse then the "original" band play in a large box idea

[moonlights]

I say they should quit with all the drama bullshit and just play music. Their record company can dick around with them all they like, but as long as they keep playing music that pulls in awesome numbers, it wont really matter at all.
Drama got TBS where they are (yeah, how many of you have heard way too much about the BN bullshit? exactly.), I don't forsee them stopping anytime soon. I'm not saying that's right, just how it'll probably be.

[Scott Weber]

too much insulting goin on in the posts these days....
your signature rules. Nic is sexy.

[n8showoff]

TBS makes shitty videos, and their sophomore album didnt live up to their debut album. lets get over it and hope that Brand New doesn't take a shit on their next album.

[JoeT]

I still find it amusing to me how assertive some people are to jump on a thread for the mere sake of hearing what someone else is gonna say and what this person is gonna say back, so on and so forth. Music is art. People can dislike music, video's what have you but you can't just say TBS blows ass because you don't find the music to your liking. It's complete crap. Another thing who the hell do some people think they are trying to get all techinical about issues like this arguing over a bands artistic merit, or the albums production quality, or the vocals, or the arrangements of the music. It's like a backdoor for these people so they can come off with "respect" from other people. Screw that shit. People need to just get off TBS's shit cuz truthfully nobody would be bashing them if deep down inside they weren't just a tad bit jealous over the success the band has had and that they're kicking themselves cuz they didn't stay on the bandwagon. People need to just move on with their lives and say you know what that video's different...i like it or i don't like it.

[youareallfreaks]

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[jawkneephighv]

So... apparently people aren't entitled to "opinions" (look it up for an exact definition if you aren't familiar with that word). You saying "it's fine" isn't going to cause me to say..."Ahhh... ya know what... this kid has a hell of a point, I'm wrong for thinking the album sucks". And to answer your question, no, I didn't want a snickers to come in the CD case, as a matter of fact, I don't even like caramel. What I do like, however, is a CD with decent production and a singer who doesn't sing from his nose and sound like complete shit. (this is all my opinion, take it with a grain of salt). The reason why "Nobody is satisfied these days" is because less and less lasting and solid bands are coming out. Name me three artists from this "scene" who you think will be around for decades to come like The Rolling Stone, The Who, Zeppelin, Guns N Roses etc.... there's a very solid reason why people aren't satisfied... especially in an era where you are forced to wait three years for band's to release a new record. Also, how did I not have a sense of humor?... I didn't even watch the goddamn video, nor did I comment on the quality of it... I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
First of all Guns N Roses is comparible to Zeppelin? Ouch.
Second of all, you seem pretty bitter with this band so I'm pretty bitter to your responses, it makes sense, doesn't it? I like them, you don't. That's fine. You continue to whine about them, I whine about you. It's a lovely cycle, really.

[BreedTheKillers]

Frank.. if this scene has no one that you would put in the category of the aforementioned bands.. or has a chance, why are you wasting all your time posting on this site??

Seems a little ridiculous to me..

[discoyears]

It's controversial because supposedly this whole ordeal a direct shot at Victory Records. I don't know, this band has gone down the shitter anyway. "Where You Want To Be" made for a good frisby... that's about the extense of it.


good. victory F U C K E D them over. let them have fun with it, big deal. and guess what TBS got a new guitar player, yep. they did. and the old one went on to be on STRAYLIGHT.

GET OVER IT

where you want to be is fucking amazing, there will never be another tell all your friends. lets see you go make a cd. point made.

[toddisawesome]

i thought it was funny as shit

its kind of like in family guy when peter was running home and skinned his knee, and proceeded to groan for like 3 minutes straight. and by the end youre just like "is this STILL happening"-- its that kind of funny

[jawkneephighv]

Frank.. if this scene has no one that you would put in the category of the aforementioned bands.. or has a chance, why are you wasting all your time posting on this site??

Seems a little ridiculous to me..
Why aren't you staff?

[Willy F]

what. the. fuck. as if I needed another reason to hate Taking Back Sunday's new album anymore - seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this band?

hey im wearing that shirt (same as your icon)

and yes, tbs is incredibly boring.

[Frank Giaramita]

First of all Guns N Roses is comparible to Zeppelin? Ouch.
Second of all, you seem pretty bitter with this band so I'm pretty bitter to your responses, it makes sense, doesn't it? I like them, you don't. That's fine. You continue to whine about them, I whine about you. It's a lovely cycle, really.

Once again, I suggest you learn the definition of the word "opinion". If speaking my opinion classifies as "whining" to you, than something is terribly wrong. Secondly, when did I compare Guns N Roses to Zeppelin? It seems you have the words "categorizing" and "comparing" mixed up, bc I categorized Guns N Roses asndZeppelin as "lasting".. along with The Beatles, ACDC, Bob Dylan etc... it's not "comparing", it's "lumping" or "categorizing", get your shit straight because I can't carry on a conversation with someone who is too idiotic to grasp my easy and straight-forward statements.

Frank.. if this scene has no one that you would put in the category of the aforementioned bands.. or has a chance, why are you wasting all your time posting on this site??

Seems a little ridiculous to me..

When did I say "nobody in this scene has a chance"? I'd like you to skim through my posts and show me where that quote exists because I'm 99.9% sure it doesnt. Secondly, I help out bands because I love music, lasting or not, every hard working artist with talent deserves to be respected and helped out. As much as this "scene" lacks in a lasting sense, it would be 100% wrong of me to generalize and assume that all bands in this "scene" suck, because I do like a ton of them, but I do also understand a ton of them won't be around by 2006.

[BreedTheKillers]

Why aren't you staff?

Because I am not about mending broken hearts...

[Scott Weber]

hey im wearing that shirt (same as your icon)

and yes, tbs is incredibly boring.
haha really? Yeah, I love it...I just bought it from Dobi along with another one...It means a lot to me, it's a man painting the sky.. my favorite band is Gatsby's American Dream..."Tonight the sky is painted" etc. :)

[SwingingMics]

The reason why "Nobody is satisfied these days" is because less and less lasting and solid bands are coming out. Name me three artists from this "scene" who you think will be around for decades to come like The Rolling Stone, The Who, Zeppelin, Guns N Roses etc.... there's a very solid reason why people aren't satisfied... especially in an era where you are forced to wait three years for band's to release a new record. .here

[AshesAshes]

haha really? Yeah, I love it...I just bought it from Dobi along with another one...It means a lot to me, it's a man painting the sky.. my favorite band is Gatsby's American Dream..."Tonight the sky is painted" etc. :)
melancholy.

[Frank Giaramita]

good. victory F U C K E D them over. let them have fun with it, big deal. and guess what TBS got a new guitar player, yep. they did. and the old one went on to be on STRAYLIGHT.

GET OVER IT

where you want to be is fucking amazing, there will never be another tell all your friends. lets see you go make a cd. point made.

It's jackasses like you who need to understand the term "amazing" IS SUBJECTIVE . YOU CAN NOT USE A SUBJECTIVE STATEMENT AS THE FOUNDATION FOR AN ARGUMENT IN WHICH YOUR INTENTIONS ARE TO PROVE SOMEONE WRONG.... IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON. Also, when did I ever mention the names John Nolan or Fred?! I simply said their new cd was horrible... am I not entitled that opinion!? Do you have a problem with me thinking and feeling that!? OPEN YOUR MIND AND RESPECT MY FUCKING OPINIONS. You assuming that John or Fred has anything to do with me feeling the way I do, just makes you look more idiotic. Last but not least, if you think I need to rrecord a cd to be able to place judgement on something!? Tell that to the thousands of kids who are currently posting in our forums, basing judgments on bands. This is a fucking music forum, created to discuss and judge MUSIC.... if part of our user sign-up requirements were..."you have to have recorded a cd to be able to psot on our site"... we'd get fucking laughed at. Kind of like how I'm laughing at you right now. point made.

[SwingingMics]

It's jackasses like you who need to understand the term "amazing" IS SUBJECTIVE . YOU CAN NOT USE A SUBJECTIVE STATEMENT AS THE FOUNDATION FOR AN ARGUMENT IN WHICH YOUR INTENTIONS ARE TO PROVE SOMEONE WRONG.... IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON. Also, when did I ever mention the names John Nolan or Fred?! I simply said their new cd was horrible... am I not entitled that opinion!? Do you have a problem with me thinking and feeling that!? OPEN YOUR MIND AND RESPECT MY FUCKING OPINIONS. You assuming that John or Fred has anything to do with myf eeling the way I do, just makes you look more idiotic. Last but not least, if you think I need to rrecord a cd to be able to place judgement on something, tell that to the thousands of kids who are currently posting in our forums, basing judgments on bands. This is a fucking music forum, created to discuss and judge MUSIC.... if part of our user sign-up requirements were..."you have to have recorded a cd to be able to psot on our site"... we'd get fucking laughed at. Kind of like how I'm laughing at you right now. point made.

a subjective statement is the same as an opinion, which you are mercilessly defending

[Frank Giaramita]

a subjective statement is the same as an opinion, which you are mercilessly defending

I'm not using my opinions as the foundation for arguments intended to prove someone wrong. That is the difference. I am not saying...


"Hey idiot, Taking Back Sunday sucks get over it, you're wrong".

Nor am I even implying that in any way. I even went as far to say.."i respect anyone who thinks different than me. If you like them, go buy their cd, their shirts, their merchandise, it doesnt matter to me".

[SwingingMics]

I'm not using my opinions as the foundation for arguments intended to prove someone wrong. That is the difference. I am not saying...


"Hey idiot, Taking Back Sunday sucks get over it, you're wrong".
he's not really making an argument, it's just his opinion it is an amazing album. same way you have the opinion that the album is horrible. great or bad can't be argued, it's all subjective anyways.

[ALucidDream]

So... apparently people aren't entitled to "opinions" (look it up for an exact definition if you aren't familiar with that word). You saying "it's fine" isn't going to cause me to say..."Ahhh... ya know what... this kid has a hell of a point, I'm wrong for thinking the album sucks". And to answer your question, no, I didn't want a snickers to come in the CD case, as a matter of fact, I don't even like caramel. What I do like, however, is a CD with decent production and a singer who doesn't sing from his nose and sound like complete shit. (this is all my opinion, take it with a grain of salt). The reason why "Nobody is satisfied these days" is because less and less lasting and solid bands are coming out. Name me three artists from this "scene" who you think will be around for decades to come like The Rolling Stone, The Who, Zeppelin, Guns N Roses etc.... there's a very solid reason why people aren't satisfied... especially in an era where you are forced to wait three years for band's to release a new record. Also, how did I not have a sense of humor?... I didn't even watch the goddamn video, nor did I comment on the quality of it... I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Just about every post you made about this made you look like an asshole. Just like the one dude that made the only really good point about how everyone takes a negative comment on a band they like to heart, and you had something insulting to say back to him. Whats wrong with what you call this "scene" are people like you. Not the bands that aren't going to be around in another couple of years. Chances are your the one thats not going to be around in a couple of years. I think way to many kids on here look up to the people that work for this site as the final answer to everything. If you post that the new FOB sucks..they say it sucks also..if Straylight Run is the most amazing thing to ever be put out..then its just that. Then there are the few that regardless of what you say still listen and love a band for the music they make. Something might not be original or ground breaking but as a musician I have respect for the band because they are writing their own music and doing there own thing. If something I hear is just to slow or to fast or whatever it maybe its just not my thing....it doesn't mean that it sucks or the album is a horrible piece of shit that should be used as a frisbee.In the beginning this whole punk rock/hardcore scene was a place of unity. For many reason, including people like you its everything but that. Some of the best albums ever recorded didn't have amazing production. I guess early Fugazi,Descendants along with the tons of amazing local bands that just don't have the money to make your type of record all blow because its not up to your par.

[Frank Giaramita]

he's not really making an argument, it's just his opinion it is an amazing album. same way you have the opinion that the album is horrible. great or bad can't be argued, it's all subjective anyways.

He's telling me to "GET OVER" the fact that I don't like the band and telling me I need to "record an album" in order to justify my distaste for TBS'.... tell me how the fuck he is respecting any opinions I had. He also stated in factual form that their cd is "fucking amazing" while opposing my OPINION with it. Do you not see this...?

[AshesAshes]

it seems like everybody argues with frank just because he is a staff member and they wanna like look better by calling him out on stuff..i bet if frank wasnt staff kids wouldnt say half of the shit that they say.

oh ya and the new tbs cd did suck :D

[SwingingMics]

He's telling me to "GET OVER" the fact that I don't like the band and telling me I need to "record an album" in order to justify my distaste for TBS'.... tell me how the fuck he is respecting any opinions I had. He also stated in factual form that their cd is "fucking amazing" while opposing my OPINION with it. Do you not see this...?
i never said he was respectful of your opinion. but saying their cd is "fucking amazing" cannot be considered an argument, because you can't make an argument built with opinions, so i don't take what he said as an argument, rather how he feels. Just because the bands that you quoted, Rolling Stones, Zeppelin, etc, have stuck around a while doesn't mean they are necessarily good because they have longevity. the masses like them, but that's dependent upon the individual's subjective attitude towards a band or a cd. Greatness, awfulness of music cannot be argued, so when it's thrown around you just have to take it with a grain of salt and decide for yourself, as you did with your opinion the album (wywtb) blows. Neither opinion is right, because no opinion is.

[Pooavenger]

yeah this is old already... it's time to move on....

[tragedyco]

i dont see the big deal... and i think where you want to be is a good cd.

[Frank Giaramita]

Just about every post you made about this made you look like an asshole. Just like the one dude that made the only really good point about how everyone takes a negative comment on a band they like to heart, and you had something insulting to say back to him. Whats wrong with what you call this "scene" are people like you. Not the bands that aren't going to be around in another couple of years. Chances are your the one thats not going to be around in a couple of years. I think way to many kids on here look up to the people that work for this site as the final answer to everything. If you post that the new FOB sucks..they say it sucks also..if Straylight Run is the most amazing thing to ever be put out..then its just that. Then there are the few that regardless of what you say still listen and love a band for the music they make. Something might not be original or ground breaking but as a musician I have respect for the band because they are writing their own music and doing there own thing. If something I hear is just to slow or to fast or whatever it maybe its just not my thing....it doesn't mean that it sucks or the album is a horrible piece of shit that should be used as a frisbee.In the beginning this whole punk rock/hardcore scene was a place of unity. For many reason, including people like you its everything but that. Some of the best albums ever recorded didn't have amazing production. I guess early Fugazi,Descendants along with the tons of amazing local bands that just don't have the money to make your type of record all blow because its not up to your par.


I speak what I feel, I don't care what I look like. If speaking my opinion makes me look like a total douche bag, so be it, I don't care what some random people I don't know on an internet web page think of me. I made it perfectly clear I respect anyone who like this band, and I respect them as musicians. They work their asses off and tour, hence why I make news posts about them and inform the kids who are interested in hearing about them.... if I didn't respect them, I wouldn't post their music videos or tour dates and inform the ones who like them. But when I say "I think their new album is horrible".... why can't people say..."I respect that, I tend to think different because....", instead of saying, "Where You Want To Be is amazing, get over it! go record a cd!". Also, I never said there was anything "wrong" with this scene, so please stop putting words in my mouth because it seems to be the "thing" tonight. I like a lot of "scene" bands, and I have no problem listening to them, posting about them or attending their shows, but I also think there's a lot of "scene" garbage, such as Taking Back Sunday's Where You Want To Be. Once again... am I not entitled to think that? How come people can't accept it? I'm not personally insulting them, I'm not bashing anyone who likes them, I'm speaking my mind... is that fucking ok!? This is a fucking music forum. Sweet christ.

[falloutdrea19]

i really need to see this. i hate dial up. would it be possible for anyone to send me this.. :-\ if thats not too much to ask. :-\

[Frank Giaramita]

i never said he was respectful of your opinion. but saying their cd is "fucking amazing" cannot be considered an argument, because you can't make an argument built with opinions, so i don't take what he said as an argument, rather how he feels.

Thats my point, he was trying to build an argument with an opinion by stating it in factual form.

[BreedTheKillers]

When did I say "nobody in this scene has a chance"? I'd like you to skim through my posts and show me where that quote exists because I'm 99.9% sure it doesnt. Secondly, I help out bands because I love music, lasting or not, every hard working artist with talent deserves to be respected and helped out. As much as this "scene" lacks in a lasting sense, it would be 100% wrong of me to generalize and assume that all bands in this "scene" suck, because I do like a ton of them, but I do also understand a ton of them won't be around by 2006.

Did I quote you? I just summarized what you said..

I actually agree with you.. Probably for a different reason though. I don't think you will ever see another band blow up like the Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin.

The reason though is so many bands copy other bands, and people opinions are a lot different.. no longer do people only judge bands on if they like the music.. but what other people think of them... they may dislike a band because they get too popular and now its not just their secret anymore (if that makes sense).

Its classifed two ways:
People have changed for the worse, they are oblivious to these things.
Everyone walks a straight line..
Listen to whatever the radio plays. (The radio is paid to pump whatever record label pays the most that day)
Believes whatever they read or hear on tv.

The people who don't are more likely people on this site..
They care about music.. take time to find new bands.
When they find those bands before anybody else they love it..
Its when it gets on the radio and everyone starts to know the band.. slowly the disliking begins.

Plus there is way too many different genres anymore.. There is 100 different genres in just this "scene".

Anyways.. fuck it, I don't care anymore.

[Frank Giaramita]

Did I quote you? I just summarized what you said..

I actually agree with you.. Probably for a different reason though. I don't think you will ever see another band blow up like the Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin.

The reason though is so many bands copy other bands, and people opinions are a lot different.. no longer do people only judge bands on if they like the music.. but what other people think of them... they may dislike a band because they get too popular and now its not just their secret anymore (if that makes sense).

Its classifed two ways:
People have changed for the worse, they are oblivious to these things.
Everyone walks a straight line..
Listen to whatever the radio plays. (The radio is paid to pump whatever record label pays the most that day)
Believes whatever they read or hear on tv.

The people who don't are more likely people on this site..
They care about music.. take time to find new bands.
When they find those bands before anybody else they love it..
Its when it gets on the radio and everyone starts to know the band.. slowly the disliking begins.

Plus there is way too many different genres anymore.. There is 100 different genres in just this "scene".

Anyways.. fuck it, I don't care anymore.

yeah, i agree with this. I mean, I can;t generalize and say..."all 'scene' bands arent lasting" bc there is some I think are. Acceptance, Bright Eyes, Anathallo, are a few I think have that sound. I like a shitload of scene stuff, I just dont dig the new TBS album unfortunately. I would love to like it and be able to dig it... but it's not my thing. When i made my comment about "lasting bands" it was in response to that other kid, and I, in no way, meant to come across as generalizing or ragging on a whole genre of bands. haha.

[BreedTheKillers]

it seems like everybody argues with frank just because he is a staff member and they wanna like look better by calling him out on stuff..i bet if frank wasnt staff kids wouldnt say half of the shit that they say.

oh ya and the new tbs cd did suck :D

I guarantee thats why everyone on this site argues with others.. because they care how they look.. they want to look "better". Probably has nothing to do with disagreeing with something they said..

oh ya and the term "kids" is not "scene" anymore.. So you may want to think of something else so you look "better".

[kissbangkill]

wow. shut up. all of you. watch some tv or something. step away from the computer, take a break, and come back when your keyboards aren't half way up your asses, because all this arguing over taking back sunday just wreaks of shit.

[AshesAshes]

I guarantee thats why everyone on this site argues with others.. because they care how they look.. they want to look "better". Probably has nothing to do with disagreeing with something they said..

oh ya and the term "kids" is not "scene" anymore.. So you may want to think of something else so you look "better".
haha.thanks for the advice.

[sidewalks]

fucking weird video..
anyway didn't moby already do the weird dance video?

[FinchBulldog2]

hahaha i love the video.

[FrzenRopes]

i really need to see this. i hate dial up. would it be possible for anyone to send me this.. :-\ if thats not too much to ask. :-\

I'll send it to you in text form. You can start by closing your eyes.

Now, picture five kids, about 10-11 years old (I'm guessing), three boys and two girls. They're all dressed the same in white beaters and white pants, and four of the five have white headbands on. They're all on stage, in a school cafeteria-turned-auditorium.

Now, picture the dancing coach, who has an obviously fake mustache (one that's meant to be obviously fake -- very large and bushy), and is wearing a red track jacket with a tie. And he just kind of watches the kids dance on stage and gets mad from time to time.

So the kids dance to the song. Sort of ballet. Sort of flailing. And the lead girl sings along to the lyrics, although really crappily. And her upper lip is really dark and shaded and it makes it look like she has a mustache. But that's beside the point. They keep dancing.

Then they go upstairs and eat sandwiches. The coach's mustache falls off momentarily.

They huddle and break, then go back downstairs and dance some more.

There. That's the video. Hope you enjoyed it.

[MidniteVulture]

I like this video.

And yeah it's about as controversial as Ben Folds describing "Jesusland"...

[IAmCountryMusic]

And yeah it's about as controversial as Ben Folds describing "Jesusland"...
what was so controversial about that?
i was never able to see it.

[floz2323]

I can't carry on a conversation with someone who is too idiotic to grasp my easy and straight-forward statements.

You said "extense of it" instead of "extent of it" in your first post. Personally, I find that to be pretty idiotic.

[Francese5]

every post turns into a fight hahah I love it.. oh man I went to sleep and over about 8 hours there was not one more new topic started about the new TBS video.. could this be!?!?

[jawkneephighv]

Once again, I suggest you learn the definition of the word "opinion". If speaking my opinion classifies as "whining" to you, than something is terribly wrong. Secondly, when did I compare Guns N Roses to Zeppelin? It seems you have the words "categorizing" and "comparing" mixed up, bc I categorized Guns N Roses asndZeppelin as "lasting".. along with The Beatles, ACDC, Bob Dylan etc... it's not "comparing", it's "lumping" or "categorizing", get your shit straight because I can't carry on a conversation with someone who is too idiotic to grasp my easy and straight-forward statements..
I already know the definition to "opinion." I heard yours, you heard mine, and you heard mine, etc. I don't know why you keep asking me to look it up -- I didn't say "your point is invalid" or "you're gay if you think TBS sucks!" I told you to get a sense of humor and then I said TBS is great. You are way up there on the defensive -- and you try to hide it by telling me to look up the word "opinion" using your big boy words to try to stray from the obvious fact that you can't handle a little heat -- right. Sounds like you need to poor your heart out with some lyrics via the Poetry/Lyrics section posthaste because your persnickety attitude is becoming redundant. Look at me, I can do it too.

[brandnizzle32]

I already know the definition to "opinion." I heard yours, you heard mine, and you heard mine, etc. I don't know why you keep asking me to look it up -- I didn't say "your point is invalid" or "you're gay if you think TBS sucks!" I told you to get a sense of humor and then I said TBS is great. You are way up there on the defensive -- and you try to hide it by telling me to look up the word "opinion" using your big boy words to try to stray from the obvious fact that you can't handle a little heat -- right. Sounds like you need to poor your heart out with some lyrics via the Poetry/Lyrics section posthaste because your persnickety attitude is becoming redundant. Look at me, I can do it too.


point jaw, haha serve em' up

[RockVocalPower]

When did this place turn into "OMG RESPECT MY OPINION!!1"? It never used to be like this.

[Jared Kaufman]

I read about four pages of this thread and I began to get a migraine and couldn't go on, so I don't know if anyone who actually read (and by read I mean let their eyes scroll over each letter that formed a word that in turn formed a sentence which resulted in a paragraph producing an article and comprehended everything being said) the article pointed this out:

TAKING BACK SUNDAY DID NOT, I REPEAT, DID NOT MAKE, PRODUCE, FUND, ETC. THIS VIDEO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!

With that being said, Victory didn't either. A dance troupe made this video and TBS liked it so much and thought it was funny, well done, whatever and decided to release it. Now if it was a shot at Victory or if Victory is unhappy about it remains to be seen and, quite frankly, I don't care. However, for emphasis, TBS did not make this video let alone come up with the idea for it. It just landed on their front step one day.

[choicecore]

it's controversial because Adam Lazzara touched all the kids in that video

[Rest_Easy]

Hating bands for having an popularity is as gay as loving bands for having popularity.

p.s. the video is a video. i like the song, the video is not what I imagine for the song.
p.p.s. i hate commercials and i hate launch for having them.

[fearthesloths]

worst thread ever.

ps that video sucked, i know it was meant to suck, but it could have at least been funny.

[Letsfireitup]

. I don't think you will ever see another band blow up like the Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin.

I'm not sure that there will NEVER be another great great band. I simply don't think we can see that they're going to last. Personally, I think bands like the Red Hot Chili Peppers are going to last a long time in people's minds, especially with albums like Californication and By the Way. But, I think you're right in the sense that they might not be like the Beatles.

I heartily agree with the rest of your post.

[Nigel]

I read about four pages of this thread and I began to get a migraine and couldn't go on, so I don't know if anyone who actually read (and by read I mean let their eyes scroll over each letter that formed a word that in turn formed a sentence which resulted in a paragraph producing an article and comprehended everything being said) the article pointed this out:

TAKING BACK SUNDAY DID NOT, I REPEAT, DID NOT MAKE, PRODUCE, FUND, ETC. THIS VIDEO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!

With that being said, Victory didn't either. A dance troupe made this video and TBS liked it so much and thought it was funny, well done, whatever and decided to release it. Now if it was a shot at Victory or if Victory is unhappy about it remains to be seen and, quite frankly, I don't care. However, for emphasis, TBS did not make this video let alone come up with the idea for it. It just landed on their front step one day.

thank you, that was pretty clear
now enough with the fighting little ones

[1000shadesofred]

i dont think the video is too bad, i like the album... i dont see the big deal, its kinda entertaining, i love homemade movies... makes the video funny.

[theORIONband]

hahaha everyone argues about music and videos and opinions on here. it's funny as hell. hah i can't figure why you all care so much about what people have to say, or why people have to say what they're thinking or express their opinions, who really cares.
i love you all. - dan

[SLADE775]

Jared just blew a fat load on all of yer faces.

[thecovertcareer]

I think it was made on purpose really, with intent. It's an adult treating kids, as, well, kids. I believe it's a metaphor for the troubles the band has with their own label, which some say have helped the band while others (including the band) claim they hold the band back. It's kind of funny it's "controversial" though. I mean, it really isn't funny at all. I see a deeper side to it. The adult tells the kids how to dance, what to do, when to do it, yells at them in the back room while they try to take a quick break and then motivates themt o go out there and finish it strong. Yes, I got all that from the actors saying nothing.

All of you are really, really close minded. I think the song is good, as well as the record. So what if it's more "mature" or even "boring" to some of you. The only thing that can make something bad in music is if the musician's themselves wrote the music for the wrong reasons.

Perhaps Victory has pushed TBS too far? Who knows? Few if any of us will ever know what goes on behind closed doors, but I'm sure most of you know that there's a very fine line between the artistic side and the business side of the music industry. Sometimes, that line is crossed.

[solargrrl]

I honestly think this is a shot by victory records. They stated they didn't want to make video's any more so Victory responded with something stupid like that to make them look like idiots.

- Keep in mind this my opinion.....

the truth is, someone just made the video w/o the band asking for it. the band thought it was absolutely hilarious and sent it out to be funny.

its sparklemotion, baby!


edit: nm, i couldn't read all the pages cos my head was going to a splode, but what jared said. yes.

[giantasinrobot]

if people actually fuckign read news posts, or read the mtv news article, instead of relying on other peoples opinions they couldve figured out themselves that taking back sunday nor victory made this video.

it was made by fans of tbs... and i think tbs sent it out as a shot to victory to say hey here is our next video.

[Saves The Night]

the truth is, someone just made the video w/o the band asking for it. the band thought it was absolutely hilarious and sent it out to be funny.

its sparklemotion, baby!


edit: nm, i couldn't read all the pages cos my head was going to a splode, but what jared said. yes.

Donnie Darko Reference! HAHAHHAAHA

I watched the video and thought it was pretty good for being done by a couple of kids, I liked how they put the CD on the record player and it played - especially because the packaging treats the CD like a record. That was creative thinking in my opinion.

[solargrrl]

Donnie Darko Reference! HAHAHHAAHA

Haha of course. In fact, the video is actually supposed to be a sparklemotion reference. But I don't think that part worked :) I dunno, I still think its creepy, but then again I have no sense or humour or creativity :)

[smallbutfeisty]

eh....that video sucks in my opinion

[fluke182]

Its a silly video and WYWTB is still a great album in my opinion. Still destroys 95% of the recs here anyways. And they didn't even make it, so why blame them...on the video part...not so much on the album.

[thecovertcareer]

I like it

[MidniteVulture]

what was so controversial about that?
i was never able to see it.Uhhhhh that was kind of the point, brah.

[briguy]

since no one has said it this bluntly...


WHAT THE FUCK?


ok... im done

[xThursdayxPTWx]

what a waste of a good song...its not funny its stupid

on a side note, my newest guilty pleasure is the song and video for a simple plan's "untitled"

[solargrrl]

what a waste of a good song...its not funny its stupid

on a side note, my newest guilty pleasure is the song and video for a simple plan's "untitled"

I'm really just asking this because I'm curious, not trying to flame but:

Why does everyone take things so seriously? Music is for enjoyment, for fun - if the guys think its funny, and you don't, so be it. But it just seems like fans have become much more uptight than they used to be, all the arguing and disagreements. If you ask me, we have too much connection and information on these bands anymore and can't take anything lightly.

Just 2.5 cents..

[burntheaction]

it bored me.
also, how can they get away with this? seven-year-olds kiddies dancing around, scantily clad and all. bet the paedophiles love it.

[OnLegendary21]

It's actually kinda funny they passed in this peice of crap to victory as a video. Way to stick it to them, but the album is still mediocre at best.

[Nigel]

I'm really just asking this because I'm curious, not trying to flame but:

Why does everyone take things so seriously? Music is for enjoyment, for fun - if the guys think its funny, and you don't, so be it. But it just seems like fans have become much more uptight than they used to be, all the arguing and disagreements. If you ask me, we have too much connection and information on these bands anymore and can't take anything lightly.

Just 2.5 cents..

if i had scene point you would get a bag from me
very true

[skup1017]

I saw this video this morning and it was beyond ridiculous. Taking Back Sunday continues to disappoint time and time again. The video for Great Romances was fine, Cute w/o the E was awesome, but it just seems like the artistry behind the original tbs left with John Nolan. I hate to have that view that John and Shawn were the foundation of the band, but stupid videos and songs like this prove it. The new album was disappointing, the first, second, and third video are completely disappoint, not to mention that horrific video they made for the beautiful You're so last summer. Great live band, but if you can't make music and can't put in time to actually entertain us anymore then just stop.

[kidsrdumb]

See the reason why this site has to be taken as pure entertainment and not fact is that not only does it say on teh tbs site that there is no agenda but it's two clicks to see the thing listed on oven fresh... the "staff' here don't seem to know any more than the people posting nor do they bother to try and get it right.. I bet anyone that nothing is right that's posted here... either way videos are made to promote bands and this one is definitely doing that, love it or hate it....

"It's controversial because supposedly this whole ordeal a direct shot at Victory Records."
"It's supposed to be on Oven Fresh"

[skup1017]

if i had scene point you would get a bag from me
very true
I just read that...yes, it's all well and good if it's funny...but after having to sit through 4 awful videos of Adam looking like an ass and the concept just being either nonexistant or just plain stupid, i'm ready for tbs to impress like they used to.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

I'm really just asking this because I'm curious, not trying to flame but:

Why does everyone take things so seriously? Music is for enjoyment, for fun - if the guys think its funny, and you don't, so be it. But it just seems like fans have become much more uptight than they used to be, all the arguing and disagreements. If you ask me, we have too much connection and information on these bands anymore and can't take anything lightly.

Just 2.5 cents..

Yea, I totally see what ya mean, but I was just annoyed cause that was one of my favorites on the CD and the video is just disappointing.

[FrzenRopes]

I saw this video this morning and it was beyond ridiculous. Taking Back Sunday continues to disappoint time and time again.

Someone didn't get the memo...

The new album was disappointing, the first, second, and third video are completely disappoint, not to mention that horrific video they made for the beautiful You're so last summer. Great live band, but if you can't make music and can't put in time to actually entertain us anymore then just stop.

The whole point behind the video for You're So Last Summer was to give fans a look at the two new members, because it was shortly after they joined. So it wasn't meant to be a good video in the least, it was just meant to be a performance video so the fans could see the two new guys.

[EmoTorture]

i hope this doesnt look bad on Tom Delonge as a music video director..now the band hates music videos where they get all made up and perform. for a first video tom did alright... he did a hell of a lot better than this piece of trash

The Tom Delonge video was the worst crap I have ever seen!

it seems like everybody argues with frank just because he is a staff member and they wanna like look better by calling him out on stuff..i bet if frank wasnt staff kids wouldnt say half of the shit that they say.

oh ya and the new tbs cd did suck :D

No, he's just an idiot half the time who can't handle criticism or being flat out called out.

[cheeruptheEmo]

oh its makes me sad... and the video wasnt funny it was little kids running around...i miss the old tbs.

[solargrrl]

Yea, I totally see what ya mean, but I was just annoyed cause that was one of my favorites on the CD and the video is just disappointing.

I absolutely agree. I'm not saying I'm not disappointed. Ed was bummed that I didn't like the video. I was like, well, it is interesting. I just don't get all riled up about it and put it on a growing list of reasons to hate the band. That is one of my favorite songs, for sure, and who knows what will happen next. I know Victory label reps have been talking the single up at radio already, so they seem to be planning to release it. Who knows. 180 by Summer is my favorite song on the whole album, so maybe they'll just leave that one alone.

The new album, however, is going to be insanely different and everyone is going to hate it ;)

[Claire88]

Forgive me if what I'm going to say has already been said, I don't have the time to read through all the pages of responses...

But I actually like this video. Much more than This Photograph is Proof. And this is my favorite song from Where You Want to Be.

I think people need to just cut TBS a little bit of slack. Set your expectations lower next time.

[straythumb]

this is almost as bad as you're so last summer

yeah the video, not the song.

[omegaX]

I honestly find it hard to see why everyone ranks on this new disc so much, then splooges over FOB. Yes, I'm aware I'm going to get a few for this anyway.

I absolutely agree. I'm not saying I'm not disappointed. Ed was bummed that I didn't like the video. I was like, well, it is interesting. I just don't get all riled up about it and put it on a growing list of reasons to hate the band. That is one of my favorite songs, for sure, and who knows what will happen next. I know Victory label reps have been talking the single up at radio already, so they seem to be planning to release it. Who knows. 180 by Summer is my favorite song on the whole album, so maybe they'll just leave that one alone.

The new album, however, is going to be insanely different and everyone is going to hate it ;)

They go through phases anyway, so it really doesn't matter who hates it. The songs live sounded great though, looks like a cool direction.

[ajustrun22]

I dont mind the video....
But I have come the the scientific conclusion that everything Taking Back Sunday does has the underlying cause of trying to get the most posts on the AP.net message boards.

[omegaX]

I could see it happening. It a conspiracy i tell you!


Hey, a fellow long islander! hEllo!

[Gleebo]

I still think Where You Want To Be is the most overtrashed album I can think of. I can't remember an album getting beaten to death mercilessly like this when it wasn't, in fact, all that bad. It's weird... Under The Cork Tree isn't enough of a change from a previous release, so it gets bashed for that, but when TBS changed their sound, people decide to hate them for that, wanting more of the same, or something. Where You Want To Be wasn't a stellar album, by any means, but it was a lot better than everyone here makes it out to be. 6.8-7 out of 10, in my opinion, an above-average album. I bet that even if the only thing that changed on the album was switching the credits from Fred Mascherino to John Nolan, review scores and opinions would change drastically.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, the video was funny, but only for a one shot kinda deal. I would get sick of seeing it on TV soon enough.

I agree with all your points. I enjoyed WWTB or at least the first half of it...not as much as the first one but still worth the money I paid for it. Same goes for FOB.

The video would have been better if they would have spliced in some performance shots of the band wearing the same outfits as the kids.

I always knew that Adam was a 10 year old Hungarian girl inside.

[solargrrl]

I honestly find it hard to see why everyone ranks on this new disc so much, then splooges over FOB. Yes, I'm aware I'm going to get a few for this anyway.

They go through phases anyway, so it really doesn't matter who hates it. The songs live sounded great though, looks like a cool direction.

I'm with you on both counts. I don't understand the state of music these days. I like what I like and it makes no sense. I like songs that suck, and I'll admit that. I even like bands that suck. But I definitely know that some people are colon inspecting some bands and like whatever they do. Some bands could piss in a bucket, record it, and those would call it the best things since the Beatles. Who knows.

[A_Passing_Hero]

why dont they just drop from victory already and sign to a bigger label so they can screw themselves more?

[celebrate ashes]

funny for 5 seconds. then weird. then stupid. still love the song though.

[moonlightcape]

i applaud tbs' statement on portraying a songs message through dance (even if it is a joke), but the video is just uninteresting. i couldnt wait for it to end. sucks b/c i really like the song.

[End is Forever]

can someone post a link besides the one on launch, ive got Firefox and Netscape and it doesn't work.

[tomlufc]

Shit video, shit band

[olemanblues]

Frank--I for one have always respected your opinions. You have posted updates on TBS and I haven't found you to be "hateful" towards them (unlike Mr. Tate, its personal with him) . I don't agree with you on WYWTB--it has its good points--keep being fair and keep those updates coming--all is good on this side of the screen--peace

I speak what I feel, I don't care what I look like. If speaking my opinion makes me look like a total douche bag, so be it, I don't care what some random people I don't know on an internet web page think of me. I made it perfectly clear I respect anyone who like this band, and I respect them as musicians. They work their asses off and tour, hence why I make news posts about them and inform the kids who are interested in hearing about them.... if I didn't respect them, I wouldn't post their music videos or tour dates and inform the ones who like them. But when I say "I think their new album is horrible".... why can't people say..."I respect that, I tend to think different because....", instead of saying, "Where You Want To Be is amazing, get over it! go record a cd!". Also, I never said there was anything "wrong" with this scene, so please stop putting words in my mouth because it seems to be the "thing" tonight. I like a lot of "scene" bands, and I have no problem listening to them, posting about them or attending their shows, but I also think there's a lot of "scene" garbage, such as Taking Back Sunday's Where You Want To Be. Once again... am I not entitled to think that? How come people can't accept it? I'm not personally insulting them, I'm not bashing anyone who likes them, I'm speaking my mind... is that fucking ok!? This is a fucking music forum. Sweet christ.

it's controversial because choicecore touched all the kids in that video--and that folks is just reward!!

[weworemasks]

wow. shut up. all of you. watch some tv or something. step away from the computer, take a break, and come back when your keyboards aren't half way up your asses, because all this arguing over taking back sunday just wreaks of shit.


the reason you must be cool and have some fucking sense is cause you are from houston :love:

[kissbangkill]

the reason you must be cool and have some fucking sense is cause you are from houston :love:

h-town reprazent.