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ReFuSeD!
05/19/05, 02:00 PM
health care reform?
because you touch yourself at night.
good point, but the problem remains....
urowndisaster52
05/20/05, 12:54 PM
because it is something that needs to be worked on....and we know how well the government attends to things that need work
I wish they'd work health care reform as opposed to the ongoing filibuster debate....
richter915
05/23/05, 10:01 AM
because if we worry about health care reform...
the terrorists win.
Health care reform would be an even more polarizing debate than judicial nominees. I have pretty much given up on democrats and republicans making any progress. I take my message straight to the streets!
im sure it will come up again soon
yeah thats a topic that always surfaces from time to time
mondeoman
05/27/05, 01:35 AM
health care reform?
I think part of it has to do with the fact that Bill Frist's father started the company that owns the most hospitals in the United States. But you're right. We need to do something soon. We are the largest and last industrialized country not to have universal health insurance.
And as for the argument that this would somehow create longer lines for the doctor is ludicrous seeing as you often wait ages to see a doctor right now.
theESCO
05/27/05, 02:10 AM
health care reform?
Because getting the filth off HBO and satellite radio is more important.
A picasso blue
05/28/05, 07:58 AM
health care reform?
many people wonder this also. Hey, trying to fix social security seems like a great idea, but what about health care which is a more-current probelm and in a far worse state? the answer is this: they recognize that healthcare is in need of far greater aid, but as much as they tried nothing would be done about it--or very little. social security is less imminent, but its the only one that is in reach of fixing
although personally i think Bush's whole system is bullshit
splitsecond
05/28/05, 10:47 AM
You people are buying into the complete bullshit that has been spoon fed to you by the various sources of liberal propaganda.
Here is the first, and most important problem: everyone is thinking inside the box of insurance. Everyone seems to think that insurance is the only way to make sure people are provided with health care.
It isn't.
Many states (I have lived in AZ and PA, and seen examples of this in both) have programs to help poor people who need medical attention. Basically, if you are below a certain income level, the state will provide you services. Additionally, many hospitals will care for poor patients free of charge, and write off the expenses when it comes time to pay taxes. In addition to this, there are thousands of private groups who help poor people get health care.
In one of the '04 Presidential debates, John Kerry quoted some absurd number of people in Arizona that are at risk because they "don't have insurance" and thus can't get medical care. My mother, who works at a county hospital, about fell out of her chair she was so pissed off. You see, that statement is complete horseshit, because if people are uninsured and poor, they can go to the county hospital and get treatment under one of several programs for the poor.
The bottom line is, instead of thinking in terms of "everyone must have insurance!", people should be thinking in terms of "people should have access to health care when the need it."
Additionally, lets not forget that the insurance industry is an industry, and likes to make money. My mom was talking the other day about how they have paid a lot of money for insurance they havent needed in the last 5 years. It is a huge waste of money for people in good health, which is why a lot of people our age oppt out of it.
Further, a universal health care system would stifle the development that has made out system as good as it is. If it weren't private, we wouldnt have a lot of the drugs and procedures that are available, because demand drives development.
I guess my point is, before you go calling something a crisis, make sure you are seeing the whole picture. Here, the number of "insured" people is NOT an accurate indicia of the health care coverage in America. Availability is the key.
Oh, and comparing America to "other industrialized nations" is just plain ignorant of political, social, economical, structural, geographic and demographic differences between those "other countries" and the United States.
Please.....
If you don't think there is a problem with Health Care in this country, you have your head firmly and squared up your ass, which is a severe medical problem.
Try going to get a broken arm set without insurance, buddy. That shit is gonna cost thousands.
People go bankrupt from incurring medical costs and a staggering amount lost it all even with insurance.
Still, thank you for your humorous take on this. I am eternally fascinated by boastful ignorance and your lengthy post, well, it was worth a solid chuckle. I applaud your perplexing, though thoroughly fascinating lack of reason. Based on your comical assessment of the health care industry, you are today's winner of the diminished returns award.
Again, thank you....
A picasso blue
05/29/05, 11:57 AM
.......Many states (I have lived in AZ and PA, and seen examples of this in both) have programs to help poor people who need medical attention. Basically, if you are below a certain income level, the state will provide you services. Additionally, many hospitals will care for poor patients free of charge, and write off the expenses when it comes time to pay taxes. In addition to this, there are thousands of private groups who help poor people get health care.
In one of the '04 Presidential debates, John Kerry quoted some absurd number of people in Arizona that are at risk because they "don't have insurance" and thus can't get medical care. My mother, who works at a county hospital, about fell out of her chair she was so pissed off. You see, that statement is complete horseshit, because if people are uninsured and poor, they can go to the county hospital and get treatment under one of several programs for the poor.
The bottom line is, instead of thinking in terms of "everyone must have insurance!", people should be thinking in terms of "people should have access to health care when the need it."....
.
ok, but the whole point of insurance is that you DON'T KNOW when you're going to need it (i mean medical aid). if i need to go get some painkillers from the doctor because I fell down the stairs, you need a healthcare plan. if these "private groups" you speak as widespread as you seem to think, then the 45 million or so Americans who don't have health care wouldn't have any problems.
splitsecond
05/29/05, 05:39 PM
You still are not refuting any of my points. "Uninsured" is a completely misleading number. It isnt as if all 45 million people are going to have health crises, or even health problems. Many people OPT out of health insurance for whatever reason. People who literally cant afford it will almost undoubtedly qualify for some sort of aid. If someone opts out because they want to spend the money on a shiny new car, then in my opinion, they can deal with the consequences.
Please.....
If you don't think there is a problem with Health Care in this country, you have your head firmly and squared up your ass, which is a severe medical problem.
Try going to get a broken arm set without insurance, buddy. That shit is gonna cost thousands.
People go bankrupt from incurring medical costs and a staggering amount lost it all even with insurance.
Still, thank you for your humorous take on this. I am eternally fascinated by boastful ignorance and your lengthy post, well, it was worth a solid chuckle. I applaud your perplexing, though thoroughly fascinating lack of reason. Based on your comical assessment of the health care industry, you are today's winner of the diminished returns award.
Again, thank you....
You are complete jackass. The government should not be bailing out people who can afford insurance, and opt out. It is a cost of living. Most, if noy all of my friends who support themsekves on lower-income jobs (15-20K PER YR) ALL have insurance, and can afford it. The ones that dont know its a risk, and they are willing to take it.
If people cant afford insurance, or some sort of emergency care, then there should be an option for them. I can only speak about the states where I have lived, but I know for a FACT that there are options for these people. Maybe this is not true everywhere, and in that case, something should be done.
Yes, healthcare costs are high, and out of control in many instances. This is due to a number of factors, but simply having the government paying for it isnt going to solve that problem. In fact, the government has proven time and again that it is inefficient.
All that being said, if you think for a second I dont think that people should have help if they need it, then you have your head up your ass. I am simply stating that the left has oversimplified a problem to lever their political base, and scare Americans, as politicians love to do. Before you go saying "OMG THESE PEOPLE DONT HAVE INSURANCE!" realize that there is much more to health care and accessibility than insurance.
Justin_stacy
05/29/05, 09:07 PM
More reason why the healthcare system is a mess....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40146
More reason why the healthcare system is a mess....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40146
not great things
adriaan
05/29/05, 09:12 PM
haven't any of you ever seen john q?
haven't any of you ever seen john q?
wow you obviously cant take things seriously, these problems are much more serious then that movie, although it did help to bring the problem to the general publics eye
adriaan
05/29/05, 09:15 PM
wow you obviously cant take things seriously, these problems are much more serious then that movie, although it did help to bring the problem to the general publics eye
mhmm. and what do you know about health reform?
mhmm. and what do you know about health reform?
haha
splitsecond
05/30/05, 11:40 AM
You know what blows my mind? How ignorant some people are...
Instead of getting a refutal or even a point in return for my argument, I get left negative scene points, and insulting comments telling me I dont understand.
What dont I understand Bopst? Fucking explain yourself, unless of course you are just a liberal drone with no facts to back up your opinion.
What you fail to understand is what the insurance industry is bleeding the American public. Yeah, sure, a 20 year old ain't gonna worry, but a 50 year old and beyond has a whole lot to worry about. I know several folks later on in years that pay 600 to a thousand bucks a month for their insurance because, if they don't have it and something goes wrong, they'd be royally screwed.
You should really look into bankruptcy in our country. An alarming amount lose it all because of medical problems even with insurance. It is fuckin' scary...
We are all one medical disaster away from finical ruin, my friend.
The axis of evil in this country?
1. The Health Care Industry
2. The Pharmaceutical Industry
3. The Food Industry
Something needs to be done to correct this as we all are being held hostage by rising medical costs.
I'm amazed that you don't see this. Do you really think there isn't anything wrong? Hopefully, your health holds there, brother, but, chances are, it won't and then you'll understand.
What you fail to understand is what the insurance industry is bleeding the American public. Yeah, sure, a 20 year old ain't gonna worry, but a 50 year old and beyond has a whole lot to worry about. I know several folks later on in years that pay 600 to a thousand bucks a month for their insurance because, if they don't have it and something goes wrong, they'd be royally screwed.
You should really look into bankruptcy in our country. An alarming amount lose it all because of medical problems even with insurance. It is fuckin' scary...
We are all one medical disaster away from finical ruin, my friend.
The axis of evil in this country?
1. The Health Care Industry
2. The Pharmaceutical Industry
3. The Food Industry
Something needs to be done to correct this as we all are being held hostage by rising medical costs.
I'm amazed that you don't see this. Do you really think there isn't anything wrong? Hopefully, your health holds there, brother, but, chances are, it won't and then you'll understand.
Assuming we believe that the crisis is as bad as you make it out to be...
whats your solution? Or are you just pointing out again that we are all fucked.
And I would alter your axis of evil list to include
1. Medical, Medicare
2. Government imposed Pharmaceutical import restrictions
3. The FDA
and the biggest evil of all
the Federal Government support of the American Medical Association
Fuck, dude, who the fuck knows? I ain't smart enough to know how to fix it. All I know is that it is draining a prestigious amount of money from people scared shitless of being financially decimated by illness. And for good reason....
So, just so we're all on the same page, you think everything is honky dory in the American health care industry?
Cal Smith
06/01/05, 08:53 AM
For the difficult questions I always turn to Newt :animateds
link (http://www.newt.org/index.php?src=news&submenu=says&prid=853&category=Opinion)
link (http://www.newt.org/index.php?src=news&submenu=says&prid=876&category=Opinion)
Love As Arson
06/01/05, 09:08 AM
People go broke trying to provide healthcare, have to declare bankruptcy, but are unable to because Congress has made it more difficult to do so. Yep. The government is looking out for the people.
xnoturstar1111x
06/16/05, 05:31 PM
They always say they are going to take care of the Health Care but they never succeed.... have you seen any improvements?
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