favorite US president

[AJ2K]

Who is your favorite US president of all time and why? does anyone have any unique choices? btw, Obama doesnt count simply because he isnt president yet

[Hainzey X]

billiam clinton.

[Ben09]

LBJ

with FDR close behind

[MyWorldEntire]

http://www.ideofact.com/archives/james-garfield-picture.jpg

[xshady121]

Reagan.
lincoln and nixon come close though, with JFK and Jefferson rounding out the top 5.

[recall reality]

Jefferson.

Exactly the sort of mind that needed to shape our country. I admire him for his philosophies as much as his accomplishments. Can't go wrong with a Virginian either, heh.

[open mind]

i can't pick a slave owner so i'll go with lincoln or jfk.

[stupid__kid]

obviously not from the US, but JFK seemed like a nice feller.

[ThroughTheIris]

JFK or FDR both extreamly interesting to learn about (in different ways..) but FDR's fed work projects are something that I think would be interesting if used today..

[TxRepresent]

Lbj
Fdr

[jusscali]

Al Gore

[WhitestKidUKnow]

james k polk. dude got shit done

[mattybobviously]

FDR, Kennedy, Lincoln

[boykosaurus]

Kind of a radical choice, but Woodrow Wilson, but my opinion always changes so this doesn't really matter.

[pshh]

Tr

[modlife]

George W Bush

[GuitarR0cker1]

FDR, Lincoln and Teddy

[Machu505]

FDR
Lincoln
JFK
Eisenhower
Woodrow or Teddy or Jefferson

[Burn That Shit]

http://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/george-washington-picture.jpg

[|adr3naLine|]

Probably JFK. Stood for good stuff, but also got laid. ALOT.

I heard George Washington once held the win streak record for pong. So he's a close second.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

FDR
John Adams
JFK
Lincoln

[apoemtothedead]

http://ap.grolier.com/images/cache/001/pr03.jpg

Look at that facial hair.

[wroteurname]

This nation could sure use some FDR right now.

[wroteurname]

JFK or FDR both extreamly interesting to learn about (in different ways..) but FDR's fed work projects are something that I think would be interesting if used today..
People are way too fucking stupid to buy into FDR's policies today, which is a tragedy.

[samsara]

Jfk

[BJW7191]

william henry harrison... he did so much for this country its unreal

[saysmydoctor]

Andrew Jackson

[Broken Parachute]

william henry harrison... he did so much for this country its unrealHahahahaha.

[Rodeo]

Hands down, FDR.

[SockMonkeyRiot]

Andrew Jackson

[saysmydoctor]

Hahahahaha.
Seriously.
Andrew Jackson
I'm not alone.

[Broken Parachute]

Seriously. I think he was kidding around, or at least I hope he was. His death affected Presidential Succession and altered the Constitution...but pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

[c_rob2700]

For Comedic Reasons: Dubya

[sjb2k1]

i think i have to go with FDR. pimped that shit for 4 terms, tried to do crazy shit like expand the supreme court and was responsible for WPA and CCC etc, which helped build some of my favorite state parks in NY. also governor of my home state. japanese internment was not so great...but he did a lot of other good things.

[J.C.]

Your Lincolns, your Roosevelts, your Washingtons. Keepin' it simple.

[saysmydoctor]

FDR doesn't fascinate as much as others. But he is great. I also find Grant to be another fascinating president.

[Machu505]

Grant was a terrible president.

[sjb2k1]

yeah but was it entirely his fault? i was always under the perception that grant (stupidly) trusted his shitbag friends and shouldn't have.

[Machu505]

It doesn't matter whether it was his fault or not. His record as president is not necessarily reflective of his character.

[saysmydoctor]

Favorite presidents =/= great presidents. Andrew Jackson is an amazing study, but let's face it, his treatment of the indians was disgusting.

Grant is fascinating in the same sense that Eisenhower and Washington. Former generals becoming politicians reinforcing Wright's theory of the military-industrial complex.

[open mind]

picking jackson is in the same neighborhood as a german picking hitler as thier favorite leader.

[TheByrus]

Kennedy was a terrible president.


if you don't know that, you shouldn't be in college

[Ben09]

Kennedy was a terrible president.


if you don't know that, you shouldn't be in college


He was a jelly donut.

[open mind]

Kennedy was a terrible president.


if you don't know that, you shouldn't be in college

why exactly was he "terrible"?

[BJW7191]

I think he was kidding around, or at least I hope he was. His death affected Presidential Succession and altered the Constitution...but pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things.



i was being very very sarcastic

my fave in all honesty is martin van beuren or however you spell it

its just fun to say

[Broken Parachute]

i was being very very sarcastic

my fave in all honesty is martin van beuren or however you spell it

its just fun to sayhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/Sein_ep814.jpg/200px-Sein_ep814.jpg

[saysmydoctor]

picking jackson is in the same neighborhood as a german picking hitler as thier favorite leader.
Not really....
Kennedy was a terrible president.


if you don't know that, you shouldn't be in college
Ahahahahahahaha I'm glad you substantiated this with facts and stuff.

[sjb2k1]

it's a new day and i'm still pretty good with my pick of FDR. love those state parks

[TheByrus]

why exactly was he "terrible"?

Not really....

Ahahahahahahaha I'm glad you substantiated this with facts and stuff.

try cracking open a book and you'll find that i'm right.

if you need a place to start, try here (http://www.amazon.com/John-Kennedy-Biography-Michael-OBrien/dp/0312281293)

[saysmydoctor]

Whoa whoa whoa you can't make some statement like that, then retreat from it and say open a book. Back it up with YOUR beliefs.

[open mind]

Not really....

Ahahahahahahaha I'm glad you substantiated this with facts and stuff.

one ethnic cleansing prick is as good as the other in my view.

Whoa whoa whoa you can't make some statement like that, then retreat from it and say open a book. Back it up with YOUR beliefs.

we agree on this.

[saysmydoctor]

Andrew Jackson didn't kill them, he just kicked them off of their land. I mean, I admit, it's cruel as hell, but he wasn't systematically murdering them. But what he did to the national debt and the modern Democratic party. He shaped modern politics.

[open mind]

just kicking one race out of their homeland land and forcibly relocating them hundreds of miles away with many dying on the way qualifies as ethnic cleansing and isn't something to be shrugged off.....i doubt if hitler ever personally switched the gas chambers on, he just made fucked up policy.
hitler got the german economy back on it's feet and lead his party to power but i wouldn't say that qualifies the man for high praise.

[saysmydoctor]

Stop Godwinning this, damn you.

[open mind]

what's godwinning?

[sjb2k1]

Stop Godwinning this, damn you.
yeah but in this case it seems a decent comparison.

[saysmydoctor]

It is but you can compare tons of people to Hitler. I mean, he systematically killed them. Jackson just moved people. It resulted in death but that was never its intention. It was just white man land plundering. :shrug: I'm not enforcing it in any stretch, it was a terrible thing to do (and explains why in the future, most tribes allied themselves with the confederacy), but still.

[sjb2k1]

It is but you can compare tons of people to Hitler. I mean, he systematically killed them. Jackson just moved people. It resulted in death but that was never its intention. It was just white man land plundering. :shrug: I'm not enforcing it in any stretch, it was a terrible thing to do (and explains why in the future, most tribes allied themselves with the confederacy), but still.
i guess it wasn't ethnic cleansing in the hitler sense, but it was still removing a group of people from society.

idk. every president has some bad shit attached to his presidency. except for maybe the dudes from jackson to lincoln, you don't hear much about them hahaha

[open mind]

It is but you can compare tons of people to Hitler. I mean, he systematically killed them. Jackson just moved people. It resulted in death but that was never its intention. It was just white man land plundering. :shrug: I'm not enforcing it in any stretch, it was a terrible thing to do (and explains why in the future, most tribes allied themselves with the confederacy), but still.

the jackson administration definately didn't do anything to insure the health of those being relocated.....white man land plundering equals death for native americans.
i still say he's in the same neighborhood as hitler....and i think most people would if native americans could get decent lobbyists together.

[Smash Adams]

i guess it wasn't ethnic cleansing in the hitler sense, but it was still removing a group of people from society.

idk. every president has some bad shit attached to his presidency. except for maybe the dudes from jackson to lincoln, you don't hear much about them hahaha
William Henry Harrison doesn't, more people should just be president for a month and have pneumonia the whole time

[TheByrus]

Whoa whoa whoa you can't make some statement like that, then retreat from it and say open a book. Back it up with YOUR beliefs.

first of all, pointing you in the direction of a book is a much smarter way of delivering information than just randomly throwing information out on a website that is less credible than wikipedia and where nothing should be taken seriously as fact.

second, you obviously don't care about the topic because you haven't read / don't know shit about it so how about you just go back to thinking jfk is amazing and i'll go back to thinking you're retarded.

[saysmydoctor]

first of all, pointing you in the direction of a book is a much smarter way of delivering information than just randomly throwing information out on a website that is less credible than wikipedia and where nothing should be taken seriously as fact.

second, you obviously don't care about the topic because you haven't read / don't know shit about it so how about you just go back to thinking jfk is amazing and i'll go back to thinking you're retarded.
Good. All this post says is you pulled some remark out of your ass. Good to go.

[open mind]

first of all, pointing you in the direction of a book is a much smarter way of delivering information than just randomly throwing information out on a website that is less credible than wikipedia and where nothing should be taken seriously as fact.

second, you obviously don't care about the topic because you haven't read / don't know shit about it so how about you just go back to thinking jfk is amazing and i'll go back to thinking you're retarded.

i guess personal thought is to much to ask for.

you're assuming that people asking for the reasoning behind your assertions lack knowledge simply because they're asking for your reasoning....which is a bad assumption to make.

[saysmydoctor]

Shut up, he is thinking you are retarded for asking him to back up his remark. I mean, who the fuck do you think you are?

[sjb2k1]

William Henry Harrison doesn't, more people should just be president for a month and have pneumonia the whole timeyeah i suppose it's pretty tough to fuck anything up when you are bed ridden and then dead.

[WhitestKidUKnow]

well maybe he fucked everything up in the way that he was the best president that we could have had, but then he died depriving us of his brilliance

[sjb2k1]

well maybe he fucked everything up in the way that he was the best president that we could have had, but then he died depriving us of his brilliance
oooh good twist

[deadjean]

JFK or FDR both extreamly interesting to learn about (in different ways..) but FDR's fed work projects are something that I think would be interesting if used today..

Almost all of FDR's projects and social programs are still in place today, which is exactly why we are so screwed at the moment. Not saying this is FDR's fault, in fact, he used all of those programs in exactly the way they were needed to pull us out of the depression, however, they were supposed to be eased out and terminated. Instead, they have been manipulated and stretched so they can be taken advantage of so now we can't use those same programs to get us out of the recession we are in today.

[sjb2k1]

Almost all of FDR's projects and social programs are still in place today, which is exactly why we are so screwed at the moment. Not saying this is FDR's fault, in fact, he used all of those programs in exactly the way they were needed to pull us out of the depression, however, they were supposed to be eased out and terminated. Instead, they have been manipulated and stretched so they can be taken advantage of so now we can't use those same programs to get us out of the recession we are in today.
i'm pretty happy with the FDIC.

[deadjean]

i'm pretty happy with the FDIC.

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that all of his programs should have been disbanded, but most of them needed to be.

[xshady121]

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that all of his programs should have been disbanded, but most of them needed to be.

Yeah, fuck FDR.

[Burn That Shit]

...

[speakhandsforme]

I'll probably get flamed for this (being the first and only one to admit) and, as a liberal, maybe I should be but anyways: my favorite is one Dick Nixon. He was just so fucking brilliant, aside from getting caught and all.

try cracking open a book and you'll find that i'm right.

if you need a place to start, try here (http://www.amazon.com/John-Kennedy-Biography-Michael-OBrien/dp/0312281293)

Yes, to whoever this is directed at, Kennedy's incompetence should be well known by now.

[BrennanHickson]

william henry harrison... he did so much for this country its unreal

Hahah, so true. I've always wondered why he's not the face of our nation. If his efforts don't explain why he should be, just look at him!

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7779/williamhenryharrisonuk6.jpg

[born to expire]

Kind of a radical choice, but Woodrow Wilson, but my opinion always changes so this doesn't really matter.

I have always liked Wilson a lot too. I think he was definitely a visionary.

[BrennanHickson]

my fave in all honesty is martin van beuren or however you spell it


He was my great, great, great, great... cousin.

[AnF1500]

I can't believe someone said Nixon...though I guess he did have some success with foreign policy. And Reagan...ugh no way, he set forth neoliberalism which has landed us where we are right now.


I like Jimmy Carter, more so after his time in office..

[xshady121]

I can't believe someone said Nixon...though I guess he did have some success with foreign policy. And Reagan...ugh no way, he set forth neoliberalism which has landed us where we are right now.
Nixon was a good foreign policy maker. He tried to expand the executive branch and failed. However, If you look at his presidency sans Watergate, it is not bad at all.

Reagan also had a good foreign policy, although his domestic left a bit to be desired.


I like Jimmy Carter, more so after his time in office..

Carter was a horrible PRESIDENT, but a great humanitarian/ peace ambassador

[speakhandsforme]

I can't believe someone said Nixon...though I guess he did have some success with foreign policy. And Reagan...ugh no way, he set forth neoliberalism which has landed us where we are right now.


I like Jimmy Carter, more so after his time in office..

Nixon was culturally shit on because of his outdated, vanilla disposition in comparison to his predecessor and former opponent, John F. Kennedy. People act like Watergate was the end-all-be-all of immorality within the executive branch when, in reality, it was entirely tactical in nature and is something that has been much more prominent throughout American history than most people care to realize. Even if one were to conclude that Dick was lacking morally, at that time, with foreign relations as they were, I'd rather have someone who was more head, less heart: and Nixon had plenty going for him up top.

[jsteil]

John Adams - Founder
Thomas Jefferson - Founder
George Washington - Led the Mas Militia, Founder
Polk - Hands on, micro manager, peoples president, Menefest destiny
James Madison - slapped hamilton in the face by going against the federalist ways
John Q. Adams - Johns son and president before 1835
Taft - Because hes mister republican
JFK - Wanted to end the fed, got shot, fucked the mob/cuba.

thats pretty much my list in order from fav to least fav of my fav.

[gnarly sky]

Andrew Jackson.
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."

[more heart]

personally, I like James K. Polk and Martin Van Buren

[timbedinosaur]

Taft, because they had to make the tub bigger because he was so fat

[timbedinosaur]

Nixon was a good foreign policy maker. He tried to expand the executive branch and failed. However, If you look at his presidency sans Watergate, it is not bad at all.

Reagan also had a good foreign policy, although his domestic left a bit to be desired.




Carter was a horrible PRESIDENT, but a great humanitarian/ peace ambassador
and a really great guy on top of that.

[WTG]

picking jackson is in the same neighborhood as a german picking hitler as thier favorite leader.

I agree. Pretty much tried to kill off all the Indians, picked fights with people just to get into duels so he could legally kill them, overall a horrible, horrible person.

John Adams - Founder
Thomas Jefferson - Founder
George Washington - Led the Mas Militia, Founder
Polk - Hands on, micro manager, peoples president, Menefest destiny
James Madison - slapped hamilton in the face by going against the federalist ways
John Q. Adams - Johns son and president before 1835
Taft - Because hes mister republican
JFK - Wanted to end the fed, got shot, fucked the mob/cuba.

thats pretty much my list in order from fav to least fav of my fav.

I don't remember the details much, but I remember in US history John Q Adams being one of our worst presidents ever...

[Machu505]

Quincey was a terrible president.

[&IllBeTheReason]

FDR, no question.

[steviestare]

FDR, no question.

Agreed.

[Zachals]

Reagan.

[Charles777]

Grover Cleveland

[3eb23]

What do you guys think of Andrew Jackson?

[loveisdead]

What do you guys think of Andrew Jackson?
Not a fan. It isn't okay to try and ethnically cleanse a bunch of Indian tribes.

[3eb23]

Not a fan. It isn't okay to try and ethnically cleanse a bunch of Indian tribes.


yeah seriously messed up. god our presidents/america back then screwed the hell out of the indians.

off topic but have any of you read A Century Of Dishonor?

[xshady121]

Not a fan. It isn't okay to try and ethnically cleanse a bunch of Indian tribes.

Yeah. Killing an entire ethnic group is bad. However, if you just put them in internment camps you're one of the best presidents ever.

[loveisdead]

Yeah. Killing an entire ethnic group is bad. However, if you just put them in internment camps you're one of the best presidents ever.
I don't like his encouraging the spoils system either. Overall he wasn't that great of a president.

[windmillninja]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Reagan_toasting_1981.jpg

[Machu505]

Yeah. Killing an entire ethnic group is bad. However, if you just put them in internment camps you're one of the best presidents ever.

I'm pretty sure people don't claim Roosevelt the greatest ever because of the internment camps.

[WakingTheMisery]

Taft is easily mine.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Yeah. Killing an entire ethnic group is bad. However, if you just put them in internment camps you're one of the best presidents ever.
No one who likes Roosevelt thinks that was a good thing...

[xshady121]

I'm pretty sure people don't claim Roosevelt the greatest ever because of the internment camps.

No one who likes Roosevelt thinks that was a good thing...

No shit. I'm pointing to this double standard among liberals. Killing people is wrong, but locking them up is something that can be overlooked? People need to get off FDRs dick. He was average at best.

[WakingTheMisery]

No shit. I'm pointing to this double standard among liberals. Killing people is wrong, but locking them up is something that can be overlooked? People need to get off FDRs dick. He was average at best.

lol

[Machu505]

lolol double standards among liberals.

[xshady121]

lolol double standards among liberals.

Amongst conservatives too. But in this case, FDR did a bunch of shitty things that get looked over.

[Machu505]

Amongst conservatives too. But in this case, FDR did a bunch of shitty things that get looked over.

Well of course the shitty things get looked over. They get trumped by his greater accomplishments. Conservatives do the exact same thing when it comes to Reagan, too.

[WhitestKidUKnow]

I don't think polk is getting enough love on this thread

[GuitarR0cker1]

Well of course the shitty things get looked over. They get trumped by his greater accomplishments. Conservatives do the exact same thing when it comes to Reagan, too.
Except Reagan has no greater accomplishments, really.

[Machu505]

Except Reagan has no greater accomplishments, really.

His charisma.

[xshady121]

Except Reagan has no greater accomplishments, really.

Haha, sometimes I forget how cool people think it is to discount everything good done by the opposite party. It's time to grow up and grow out of this "republicans can do nothing right" phase the majority of the youth believes in.

Reagan was a man who did in fact delegate a lot of his policy out, and may have been too trusting to his advisors, but the man did have quite a few accomplishments that outweighed irancontra.

[Machu505]

Haha, sometimes I forget how cool people think it is to discount everything good done by the opposite party. It's time to grow up and grow out of this "republicans can do nothing right" phase the majority of the youth believes in.

Reagan was a man who did in fact delegate a lot of his policy out, and may have been too trusting to his advisors, but the man did have quite a few accomplishments that outweighed irancontra.

Just like how Roosevelt had quite a few accomplishments that outweighed the internment camps?

[xshady121]

Just like how Roosevelt had quite a few accomplishments that outweighed the internment camps?

I know I've had this discussion somewhere in this forum already, but I don't like FDR due to his dictatorial policies (like Woodrow Wilson, too) and the fact that he prolonged the depression with his backwards policies.

[Machu505]

I know I've had this discussion somewhere in this forum already, but I don't like FDR due to his dictatorial policies (like Woodrow Wilson, too) and the fact that he prolonged the depression with his backwards policies.

Seeing as most economists disagree with this, it is not at all fact.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Haha, sometimes I forget how cool people think it is to discount everything good done by the opposite party. It's time to grow up and grow out of this "republicans can do nothing right" phase the majority of the youth believes in.

Reagan was a man who did in fact delegate a lot of his policy out, and may have been too trusting to his advisors, but the man did have quite a few accomplishments that outweighed irancontra.
lol Republicans can do plenty things right. I think Eisenhower was a great president and there are many moderate Republicans I think had great views and would have done many great things as president. Reagan's ideology is my problem with him.

Like what? I would like some specifics please.

[Machu505]

Oh xshady, I see you go to Northeastern. Is it a good university, cause it's a college I'm interested in?

[xshady121]

Seeing as most economists disagree with this, it is not at all fact.

I had this discussion with JTate a while back but I forget where it was. It wasn't in this thread, it might have been the original Gen Politics thread.

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/6550

"A number of economists" believe the New Deal delayed economic recovery.[51] A 1995 survey of economic historians asked whether "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Of those in economics departments 27% agreed, 22% agreed 'with provisos' (what provisos the survey does not state) and 51% disagreed. Of those in history departments, only 27% agreed and 73% disagreed. (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html and http://eh.net/lists/archives/eh.res/feb-1997/0010.php)

lol Republicans can do plenty things right. I think Eisenhower was a great president and there are many moderate Republicans I think had great views and would have done many great things as president. Reagan's ideology is my problem with him.

Like what? I would like some specifics please.

Specifics of what? Reagan or FDR's dictictaoral characteristics. If it is the latter give me a bit to find my notes, I'll get back to you later tonight.

Oh xshady, I see you go to Northeastern. Is it a good university, cause it's a college I'm interested in?

What are you interested in majoring in? I love the school.. It is the best of Boston, it has a campusy vibe while still in the city (as opposed to BU being located on a busy street and having no campus)...plus you can't beat the co-op program. even in this shitty economy i found a great job.

[Machu505]

I had this discussion with JTate a while back but I forget where it was. It wasn't in this thread, it might have been the original Gen Politics thread.

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/6550
(http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html and http://eh.net/lists/archives/eh.res/feb-1997/0010.php)

Thank you for providing evidence in my favor.

What are you interested in majoring in? I love the school.. It is the best of Boston, it has a campusy vibe while still in the city (as opposed to BU being located on a busy street and having no campus)...plus you can't beat the co-op program. even in this shitty economy i found a great job.

I will almost definitely major in political science. English is the only thing that could replace it.

[HelpMeSleep]

I'm going to be really unoriginal and say FDR.

[xshady121]

Thank you for providing evidence in my favor.

Something like 44% at least partly agree with me. That is surely not unanimous.



I will almost definitely major in political science. English is the only thing that could replace it.

The polysci department here is great. Plus, we have Dukakis here. His classes are hard to get into , but he's always around and will talk to anyone who wants to talk with him. He's real accessible and is very open to opposite views. He's a great man.

The classes are all really fun and the staff is excellent.

[Machu505]

The polysci department here is great. Plus, we have Dukakis here. His classes are hard to get into , but he's always around and will talk to anyone who wants to talk with him. He's real accessible and is very open to opposite views. He's a great man.

The classes are all really fun and the staff is excellent.

Holy shit, Michael Dukakis? Hope he doesn't die in the next four years.

[Poe-tryGirl]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Reagan_toasting_1981.jpg
He was so clueless.

[xshady121]

He was so clueless.

To certain aspects of his policies yes. those were the ones he blindly delegated to his advisors. However the thnigs he was interested in he immersed himself in and did quite well (certain parts of foreign policy, specifically USSR he was quite interested though)

[Poe-tryGirl]

To certain aspects of his policies yes. those were the ones he blindly delegated to his advisors. However the thnigs he was interested in he immersed himself in and did quite well (certain parts of foreign policy, specifically USSR he was quite interested though)
Well, I'm sure he had to be concerned with the USSR. They could kick his butt.

[Nevuk]

Is it Reagan or Gorbachev who deserves more credit for that anyways though?

[xshady121]

Well, I'm sure he had to be concerned with the USSR. They could kick his butt.

Not necisarily. You can delegate it to your foreign policy advisors and blindly sign off on it (like he did with some other aspects of his policies)

[secthagoals626]

William Howard Taft FTW
http://truereligiondebate.files.wordpress. com/2008/03/president-willam-howard.jpg


the dude looks like he should be a mayor, not a president
we must ressurect the handlebar mustache!

[lauren<3s music]

FDR and Madison

[xJesusFreakx]

George Washington. I don't know all of the presidents in detail, but considering how much respect I have for that man, I highly doubt that any others have been better, especially not any from the past century.

[LLcoolChance]

He was a good man (Washington), but his presidency was lackluster. He was probably the most underqualified man for the job, but of course how qualified can you be when your nation is only a couple years old.

But my favorite...Lincoln, just because he has probably done more for a nation (socially) than any other president.

[alaskan]

Lbj
Fdr

FDR, one of the worst IMO. there has been some pretty solid research showing that the steps taken by FDR actually lengthened the depression.

i can go into it further, later.

to post,I like Reagan

[LLcoolChance]

I like Reagan
what won you over Reganomics or STAR WARS

[loveisdead]

FDR, one of the worst IMO. there has been some pretty solid research showing that the steps taken by FDR actually lengthened the depression.

i can go into it further, later.

to post,I like Reagan
FDR is one of the worst presidents? Who taught you history? I seriously can't believe anyone would think that.

[LLcoolChance]

FDR is one of the worst presidents? Who taught you history? I seriously can't believe anyone would think that.

to an extent all of our presidents are awful. But its just all in what you learn.

There is no solid truth.

[loveisdead]

to an extent all of our presidents are awful. But its just all in what you learn.

There is no solid truth.
I don't agree with that. Sure you can find something "awful" that every president did, but once you weigh the positives against the negatives I think it determines whether a president was good or bad.

[LLcoolChance]

Im not agreeing.. FDR was in the top 5. Im just saying, he probably isnt weighing it all


but apparently he extended the depression? how did that happen? Wikipedia?

[loveisdead]

Im not agreeing.. FDR was in the top 5. Im just saying, he probably isnt weighing it all


but apparently he extended the depression? how did that happen? Wikipedia?
I've seen that argument made before but there is more evidence suggesting the contrary.

[LLcoolChance]

I've seen that argument made before but there is more evidence suggesting the contrary.


as always.

[CstSnow]

Teddy Roosevelt, just because they guy was a complete badass.

[CstSnow]

He was a good man (Washington), but his presidency was lackluster. He was probably the most underqualified man for the job, but of course how qualified can you be when your nation is only a couple years old.

But my favorite...Lincoln, just because he has probably done more for a nation (socially) than any other president.


Soooooo wrong, you should check out Founding Brothers, it does an amazing job of showing the infancy of the country and how it was shaped. GW could have done anything he wanted while in office including running again and again but he followed Cincinnatus and stepped down creating a precedent regarding term limits, that alone makes him worthy.

[LLcoolChance]

Soooooo wrong, you should check out Founding Brothers, it does an amazing job of showing the infancy of the country and how it was shaped. GW could have done anything he wanted while in office including running again and again but he followed Cincinnatus and stepped down creating a precedent regarding term limits, that alone makes him worthy.

Yes, this is true, and he also strained away from being affiliated with any party, because he feared it would bring rise to conflict and stagnation, oh boy, he was right.

[LLcoolChance]

Teddy Roosevelt, just because they guy was a complete badass.


If im not mistaken, he had a lion and bear somewhere on the White House grounds...

[TEAMRAMROD]

If im not mistaken, he had a lion and bear somewhere on the White House grounds...

hells yeah

[TangledUp]

Ronald Reagan, FDR, JFK, Lincoln.. we've had some amazing presidents.

[WhitestKidUKnow]

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[Wildness774]

jefferson, washington

[Wildness774]

reagan, lincoln

[depardu42]

Ulysses S. Grant, just because I did two reports on him in school so he's the one I know the most about.