MTV = Pussies

[Jake Wallace]

"Nine Inch Nails (www.nin.com) will not be performing at the MTV Movie Awards as previously announced. We were set to perform "The Hand That Feeds" with an unmolested straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop. Apparently the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me. See you on tour this fall when we return to play in America." - Trent Reznor (5.26.05)

[ParadigM]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.

[failingwithease]

Hahaha. Apparently.

I wouldn't be too upset if I were them. It's MTV. No big loss. However, widespread viewing of Bush while that song is playing would be quite glamorous and amusing.

[Cottage Cheese]

You can love America and still hate our president (such as myself)

[Ruehls]

i am canadian but that is ridiculous.......conservative america needs to lighten up a bit

[k0d1ak]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.
YEAH! AND WHY DON"T ALL THOSE NEGROS GO BACK TO AFRICA! /sarcasm
Could it be possible, that by showing disgust for the actions of our leader a man might be showing that he truly loves the country, you know... as in its worth trying to make better? Just a thought.

[finchalicious]

And now I have absolutely no reason to watch the Movie Awards at all ... thanks MTV!

[TimeAsIdeology]

Paradigm loves Tobey Keith.

[the blues]

i am canadian but that is ridiculous.......conservative america needs to lighten up a bit

this doesnt make any sense. how is MTV conservative?

on another note, this whole bashing bush thing is so cliched. if so many people hate bush why didnt they vote him out of office. kerry lost. get over it.

[Jason Tate]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.
Skip history class?

this doesnt make any sense. how is MTV conservative?

on another note, this whole bashing bush thing is so cliched. if so many people hate bush why didnt they vote him out of office. kerry lost. get over it.
Cause God is way important to a lot of people ... that's really why. A lot of people like him, a lot of people hate him - that's how it goes: HOWEVER, everyone's allowed to have their opinion.

[AlkTrio205]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.

So, if you don't like the leader of the country, that means you hate it. Righty-o.

Also, it's not like he was going to put a picture of Bush doing a Nazi salute with a swastika tatooed on his forehead.

On a "related" note, Masters Of War by Dylan came up on my WinAmp as I was typing this. Heh.

[IAmCountryMusic]

their music disgusts me as much as GWB :D

[kallok]

Bush seriously makes the USA look like shit. And it is a big loss for MTV because NIN has a big fanbase and hardcore fans might not watch it now. I, myself, have been MTV free since 2001.

[Thomas Sway]

All political shit aside -

I'm really enjoying the new NIN album. A lot more than i did initially. There's some fucking sick tracks on it.

[xdrummerxdudex]

ewwww mtv. kill mtv. i hate mtv!!!

[the blues]

Bush seriously makes the USA look like shit.

people like you are the reason Bush is back in office.

[Chemical Love]

Haha. I like Pres Bush, but I find that funny.

[Melissa Johnson]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.
As previously stated by someone above, just because Reznor, or anyone else for that matter, dislikes/hates/disapproves etc. of Bush and his administration, that doesn't necessarily mean that they hate America. Reznor's just practicing something called freedom of speech, which he has every right to do as long as its not slanderous.

[brandonrocks]

when did mtv not = pussies?

[BaldMountainDNR]

what does this whole "musicians against bush " movement actually want to achieve?...some sort of global revolt where jon bon jovi fans and NIN enthusiasts ban together and storm the white house. the bush administration is obviously here for 3+ more years, the last thing this nation needs to hear is another bitch ass frontman telling us he hates the president.

[The Gray Ghost]

It's funny to see people get pissed off at musicians voicing their opinions.

[the blues]

what does this whole "musicians against bush " movement actually want to achieve?...some sort of global revolt where jon bon jovi fans and NIN enthusiasts ban together and storm the white house. the bush administration is obviously here for 3+ more years, the last thing this nation needs to hear is another bitch ass frontman telling us he hates the president.


THANK YOU

[BaldMountainDNR]

the musicians that do voice there opinions do so like its a second job

[Jason Tate]

what does this whole "musicians against bush " movement actually want to achieve?...some sort of global revolt where jon bon jovi fans and NIN enthusiasts ban together and storm the white house. the bush administration is obviously here for 3+ more years, the last thing this nation needs to hear is another bitch ass frontman telling us he hates the president.
They want to achieve the same thing you do (with your post): a voice. To share a feeling, to share their thoughts, their opinions, and hope someone listens.

Just as I could say: what do you hope to achieve with your post? the last thing this website needs is another bitch ass kid telling us he hates musicians talking about politics.

See the parallel? Good.

[Paul Tao]

Even more reason to hate MTV.

[Drew Beringer]

And now I have absolutely no reason to watch the Movie Awards at all ... thanks MTV!

Same here!

[LewistonSpecial]

Nope. No one gets their own opinions. At least that's what i've come to notice.

[BaldMountainDNR]

tate...i just feel like every time a musician voices an opinion, he is trying to appeal to the uninformed..i.e the way the whole "rock against bush " thing was advertised...all bands listed on advertisements...its like...hey look at all these bands against bush, i guess i have to vote kerry myself

[Paul Tao]

what does this whole "musicians against bush " movement actually want to achieve?...some sort of global revolt where jon bon jovi fans and NIN enthusiasts ban together and storm the white house. the bush administration is obviously here for 3+ more years, the last thing this nation needs to hear is another bitch ass frontman telling us he hates the president.
what does voicing any opinion at all achieve?

[Kiss Of Octopus]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.
I hate ignorant fucks like you who think liberals hate America.
Get your head over of your ass and ppen your mind you prick.



Anyways, I think that censorship in any form is horrible, and I think it is especially horrible that MTV would censor such a great band as NIN.

[The Gray Ghost]

Does anyone remember when Clinton got a blowjob? Ah, the good times when that was the worst thing a president was doing.

[BaldMountainDNR]

musicians have whored there names out at many major events during this past years campaign. Most of the kids are lured in by the names of the bands and celebrities, not the politician themselves. The media has sort of tainted the election process in this way

[Flags of Dawn]

I like some NIN, and I havent heard the rest of the new album, but that song definitely bloooows.

[Booyah Achieved]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.

This statement is as ignorant as any i've heard...ever...from anybody

Where, exactly, did it say anything about Trent Reznor hating America? And if he did hate it as much as you think he does, why would he spend so much time and energy in stating his opinion? Wouldn't he just leave?

[xbrokendownx]

what does this whole "musicians against bush " movement actually want to achieve?...some sort of global revolt where jon bon jovi fans and NIN enthusiasts ban together and storm the white house. the bush administration is obviously here for 3+ more years, the last thing this nation needs to hear is another bitch ass frontman telling us he hates the president.


we'll be bashed for this, but i totally agree with you

[XpunkXroutineX]

Does anyone remember when Clinton got a blowjob? Ah, the good times when that was the worst thing a president was doing.
NO, Clinton was just as bad as Bush. Yes, he was. Did you forget the fact that he was bombing Sudan? Imposing brutal sanctions against Iraq? Ignored the Genocide in Rwanda? Created an early version of the PATRIOT Act (after the Oklahoma City bombing)? So, Clinton, Bush, Democrat, Republican, theres no difference, but I'm off subject here.

[Throwback]

Anyone else want to see the image? Or was it just a normal picture?

[psykosteve]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.


Your a fucking moron. When did Trent ever say he hated America?


Its Fascists like you that make me proud to be an American, because I am free to HATE the narrow minded ethnocentrism you value.

[SicTrnsitGloria]

no, MTV just doesnt want to lose its conservative fanbase.

[aminorthreat55]

kerry lost. get over it.
If you think politics only matter during election season you're an idiot and I hope you never vote.

[XpunkXroutineX]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.
I've got a dark alley and a bad idea that says you should shut your mouth

[projectmayhem16]

They want to achieve the same thing you do (with your post): a voice. To share a feeling, to share their thoughts, their opinions, and hope someone listens.

Just as I could say: what do you hope to achieve with your post? the last thing this website needs is another bitch ass kid telling us he hates musicians talking about politics.

See the parallel? Good.bravo, I'm surprised he still commented after that pwning

[DooDooBird]

i want to see the picture... dammit!!!!!

[Lost Glories]

I've got a dark alley and a bad idea that says you should shut your mouth
nice use of fall out boy

[smile do somthn]

Anyone else want to see the image? Or was it just a normal picture?
I was hoping it would somehow find its way into here...it seems to have been a normal picture but probably just the contrast of his smiling face with the song is what made mtv decide against allowing it...

[wesgemm08]

tate...i just feel like every time a musician voices an opinion, he is trying to appeal to the uninformed..i.e the way the whole "rock against bush " thing was advertised...all bands listed on advertisements...its like...hey look at all these bands against bush, i guess i have to vote kerry myself




yea and more ppl voted for kerry because of musicians saying vote kerry than ppl that voted for bush because he has "morals" (former alcoholic and cokehead) and opposes abortion


..yea that was sarcasm, it seems like none of these bible belt states realize there are more important things to base your vote on than who opposes abortion

[aminorthreat55]

..yea that was sarcasm, it seems like none of these bible belt states realize there are more important things to base your vote on than who opposes abortion
He wants to take my gun away!!!

[wesgemm08]

He wants to take my gun away!!!

yea i guess i forgot about the deep south and their guns




p.s. clinton/obama 2008... i know it wont happen, but i like to be a wishful thinker

[Manbotisdead]

MTV should be ashamed.

[aminorthreat55]

p.s. clinton/obama 2008... i know it wont happen, but i like to be a wishful thinker
I really hope John McCain runs, hes a good guy.

[wesgemm08]

I really hope John McCain runs, hes a good guy.


yea, he definately should have been the republican nominee back in 2000, but the bush campaign has always been very good at attacking people, somehow making him look "unfit" mentally and even attacking his military service. Never understood how Bush got by attacking others miltary service seeing he did basically nothing military wise..

[aminorthreat55]

yea, he definately should have been the republican nominee back in 2000, but the bush campaign has always been very good at attacking people, somehow making him look "unfit" mentally and even attacking his military service. Never understood how Bush got by attacking others miltary service seeing he did basically nothing military wise..
Yeah seriously. McCain is my favorite republican. He was on Conan last night, good times.

[Lemieux66]

I've got a dark alley and a bad idea that says you should shut your mouth

I have ten friends and a crow bar that says you aint gonna do jack

[Manbotisdead]

I have ten friends and a crow bar that says you aint gonna do jack
LAME.

[wesgemm08]

I have ten friends and a crow bar that says you aint gonna do jack


okay I believe you, but my tommy gun don't..



...see i can turn song titles into lame jokes also

[jawkneephighv]

Maybe hell stay out of the god damn country since he seems to hate it so much.
Maybe you'll get a badge from your girl scouts for being a giant vagina. :headshake

[jerkstore20]

"I know my own nation best. That's why I despise it the most. And I know and love my own people too, the swine. I'm a patriot. A dangerous man." - Edward Abbey.

if that doesn't tell you something about the state of the world today, you're not even really alive.

TRUE TIL DEATH.
Jason.

[xPaulWallx]

i understand that what mtv is doing is sort of wrong and dick and all but do yall ever wonder why it is that just about political opinion voiced by an actor or musician (besides country music artists) is an anti-bush/liberal opinion? i wonder if that means that most entertainers are liberal or liberals are the only ones who are constantly complaining. i mean you just about never go see a band that is conservative in political views and hear them ramble on and on about how great bush is and how horrible liberals are or having a big picture that satires kerry or writing a pro-bush/anti-liberal song or getting on stage yelling mindless statements like "fuck liberals" yet ive seen and heard all of those things by bands with self-proclaimed liberal political views. i just find it all interesting and see it as something to think about.

[CT-Tim]

Yeah seriously. McCain is my favorite republican. He was on Conan last night, good times.

I'm pulling for a Stewart/Carell ticket myself... ;)

[ReFuSeD!]

NO, Clinton was just as bad as Bush. Yes, he was. Did you forget the fact that he was bombing Sudan? Imposing brutal sanctions against Iraq? Ignored the Genocide in Rwanda? Created an early version of the PATRIOT Act (after the Oklahoma City bombing)? So, Clinton, Bush, Democrat, Republican, theres no difference, but I'm off subject here.

Listen to this man. While Bush is definitely a douche bag, Clinton was no better. I also find it funny when people refer to the democratic party in the USA as "left-wing". Haha. The USA has no major leftwing party.

[johnarc]

fucking butt fuck.

[ParadigM]

Skip history class?
Irony at its finest.

[wesgemm08]

NO, Clinton was just as bad as Bush. Yes, he was. Did you forget the fact that he was bombing Sudan? Imposing brutal sanctions against Iraq? Ignored the Genocide in Rwanda? Created an early version of the PATRIOT Act (after the Oklahoma City bombing)? So, Clinton, Bush, Democrat, Republican, theres no difference, but I'm off subject here.

Ignored genocide in Rwanda? The Clinton admin. set up plans to train troops in major african countries such as Nigeria to deal with situations like this in the future in africa and most figures from both sides of the "aisle" believe that this was a much better discision than sending united states troops into the country

[sidewalks]

this doesnt make any sense. how is MTV conservative?

on another note, this whole bashing bush thing is so cliched. if so many people hate bush why didnt they vote him out of office. kerry lost. get over it.


there is this thing called the electoral college. heard of it?

[ParadigM]

He won the popular this time too. Good try though.

[Trainsaw]

This blows, i love seeing someone making a mockery of that dimwit.

[atticusfinch]

And now I have absolutely no reason to watch the Movie Awards at all ... thanks MTV!
Why would you even CONSIDER the notion in the first place?

[weworemasks]

the other day, when i was cutting a picture out of a magazine, i dropped the scissors onto my left foot, middle toe to be exact. it kinda hurt. there was blood. :headshake

[psykosteve]

He won the popular this time too. Good try though.


He only won the popular vote because California and Oragan had record low voter turnouts because demacrates in those states didnt vote because they knew they didnt need to for Kerry to carry the state. If the number of democrates who voted in those states in 2000 voted in 2004 Bush would have lost the popular vote and still won.

Again comes down to the electoral college and it being off. 1 electoral vote equalls 2 million people in new york and california and 1 million in kansas or nabraska. The problem is everystate gets three votes even if they only have the popluation for 1.

[Melissa Johnson]

He won the popular this time too. Good try though.
However, despite that, he DID lose the "popular vote" among the 18-24 year olds that voted to Kerry..

[causexeffect]

why dont they just put a giant picture of jason tate over their performance?

that would be of a greater degree of hilarity.

[YoSoyElJosh]

i understand that what mtv is doing is sort of wrong and dick and all but do yall ever wonder why it is that just about political opinion voiced by an actor or musician (besides country music artists) is an anti-bush/liberal opinion? i wonder if that means that most entertainers are liberal or liberals are the only ones who are constantly complaining. i mean you just about never go see a band that is conservative in political views and hear them ramble on and on about how great bush is and how horrible liberals are or having a big picture that satires kerry or writing a pro-bush/anti-liberal song or getting on stage yelling mindless statements like "fuck liberals" yet ive seen and heard all of those things by bands with self-proclaimed liberal political views. i just find it all interesting and see it as something to think about.

Because liberals are the progressives. They're out to change the world, or nation, or just the way things are done. Conservatives are out to keep it exactly the same, or even bring it back. They can't complain, especially when they're in power. Unless it's about the loss of family values. Because the gays are everywhere. And it really pisses any good liberal off to see freedoms repealed or blocked, to see knowledge hidden away or silenced, and to see science fall by the wayside to prayer.

And the real bitch of it is, conservatives don't see an issue as a problem until it happens to them. The Reagans are in favor of stem cell research. The Cheneys are in favor of gay rights. Rush Limbaugh blasts the ACLU until they defend him. Just the kind of double standards Republicans exhibit frequently (it's not an issue until it hits home.)

I'm not saying it doesn't work both ways - many young liberals become conservative when they finally get well paying jobs. And many conservative entertainers share their views, though frequently in far more public venues, and with far less censorship, it seems.

[SwedishHeat]

I thought we agreed that after this last election, "celebrities" should keep their mouths shut??

Don't get me wrong, I'm for free speech just as much as the next guy, I just thought, collectively, as a nation, we were tired of famous people saying "Hey, I'm famous, therefore you should listen to me and my political opinions."

It's just kind of weird because most of the people on TV are creative, artistic people, i.e. actors, writers, directors, who tend to be Democrats, and they get censored because networks are afraid they'll get sued and don't want to deal with bad publicity. Which leads to the whole "what liberal media??" argument.

I'm not saying it doesn't work both ways - many young liberals become conservative when they finally get well paying jobs.

Everyone's a Democrat until they get a little money. Then they come to their senses!"

R.I.P. Freaks And Geeks

[splitsecond]

I remember why I havent really gotten into NIN all these years now... Reznor is an overdramatic jackass.

[Willy F]

Why would you even CONSIDER the notion in the first place?


why would you watch ANY awards show? They are all so boring.

[MidniteVulture]

I thought MTV was trying to become the huge pushing-youth-toward-Democrats force... HOW DARE THEY TAINT THEIR IMAGE!!!

In other news, the new Nine Inch Nails song was definitely not what I was expecting it to be, I'm not sure how I feel about it...

[Basketcase]

And now I have absolutely no reason to watch the Movie Awards at all ... thanks MTV!
you and me both

[JealousFreak]

p.s. clinton/obama 2008... i know it wont happen, but i like to be a wishful thinker[/QUOTE]


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..oh man...HAHAHAHAHA...whoo that was good. Oh wait, shit, you're actually serious....HAHAHAHHA.

:smilie_lo

[Scott Weber]

Cause God is way important to a lot of people ... that's really why. A lot of people like him, a lot of people hate him - that's how it goes: HOWEVER, everyone's allowed to have their opinion.
You yourself have said religion and politics don't mix - don't act like every single person who voted Bush did so because of their religious afflictions. I know I didn't, and I bet literally millions of others didn't either. Point the finger at "the rich white man" voting for Bush, but don't act like Jesus lovers all voted Bush. It's a big generaliztion, and people that vote for a canidate soley based on religious beliefs probably shouldn't be voting in the first place...agree with ya there.

/drunk ramblings

[xPaulWallx]

I remember why I havent really gotten into NIN all these years now... Reznor is an overdramatic jackass.

so true, just like every artist coming out with a cd it seems nowadays, he went through the whole "i almost killed myself, i almost went crazy, i went through such personal turmoil" while making this record

[wasteoftaste]

I would like to see what this image looks like

[maledixtion]

I like Bush, but I don't understand why MTV wouldn't allow this, unless the picture is in some way offensive without alteration.

[BlinkFoundMSU]

NO, Clinton was just as bad as Bush. Yes, he was. Did you forget the fact that he was bombing Sudan? Imposing brutal sanctions against Iraq? Ignored the Genocide in Rwanda? Created an early version of the PATRIOT Act (after the Oklahoma City bombing)? So, Clinton, Bush, Democrat, Republican, theres no difference, but I'm off subject here.
Clinton bombed Sudan ONCE - he hit an asprin manufacturing plant that he believed was creating chemical weapons, and had Osama Bin Laden in it.
Now go rent the movie "Black Hawk Down" and STFU

I really hope John McCain runs, hes a good guy.
mccain/obama in '08 - bipartisanship at the hands of two upstanding men.

okay I believe you, but my tommy gun don't..



...see i can turn song titles into lame jokes also
oh yeah? well im gonna tear your ass up like we just got married.
/not a title
//ducks

i like our president
i like freedom of speech, i like freedom of expression. i like the first ammendment to the constitution.

i don't like it when i hear of another instance of this administration taking those away.

i think Reznor wanted Bush's picture up there to imply that it's time to bite the hand that feeds... but maybe that's just me pointing out the obvious

[Rest_Easy]

stupid mtv. You can have rap videos of sexual molestation but god forbid any image of george bush. Another reason to hate mtv.
i really dislike Bush and how he has been performing at his job. That is not why I think this is retarded, it could be someone i like and still would hate the idea of not letting this go. Hell, comedy central lets images fly by without second thought, leno had bright eyes sing that bush song, every station has in some way poked fun at george bush. Does MTV think they are better for not letting this go? Once again I point attention to the gross amounts of videos and crappy 'reality' shows that promote constant sexual activity and gross image of true 'beauty' set as standard for the appeal of younger audiences.

[smelltheglove]

mtv is such a fucking conservative joke, they just peddle stupid fucking reality shows like 'real world inferno' or 'real world crazy dudes' or 'real world on the moon' and the kids eat it up while the suits collect paper while making our nation dumber. they parade themselves as being liberal, w/ their 'choose or lose' bullshit but don't be fooled, they are as conservative at the top as CNN

i'm glad trent isn't wasting his time w/ thier bullshit. he is much better than that.

[CT-Tim]

Clinton bombed Sudan ONCE - he hit an asprin manufacturing plant that he believed was creating chemical weapons, and had Osama Bin Laden in it.
Now go rent the movie "Black Hawk Down" and STFU



You really shouldn't base your political beliefs on a Hollywood movie.



i like freedom of speech, i like freedom of expression. i like the first ammendment to the constitution.

i don't like it when i hear of another instance of this administration taking those away.

i think Reznor wanted Bush's picture up there to imply that it's time to bite the hand that feeds... but maybe that's just me pointing out the obvious

Freedom of speech/expression/etc have nothing to do with it. It's MTV's show, and they have every right to do what they want with it. Trent is free to run his own show with a picture of Bush behind him. This really has nothing to do with "rights" at all, and I don't see how the "administration" stopped Trent from expressing himself.

I really don't care one way or the other, but don't try to make it a rights issue. This is all about MTV's choices, not civil liberties.

[marchfaster]

this doesnt make any sense. how is MTV conservative?

on another note, this whole bashing bush thing is so cliched. if so many people hate bush why didnt they vote him out of office. kerry lost. get over it.
mtv isnt politically conservative, its the FCC that is conservative in censorship, they dont take risks or do anything for shock value. get it?


Cause God is way important to a lot of people ... that's really why. A lot of people like him, a lot of people hate him - that's how it goes: HOWEVER, everyone's allowed to have their opinion.
not on national tv...this is a movie awards ceremony, not a "fuck bush" lecture
whether you like bush or hate him, there are times when you just shut the hell up and play
if your message is so important let the music speak for itself.

people like you are the reason Bush is back in office.
because the liberals ran on a negative!
heyyy bumper stickers saying 'vote kerry, he's hot' are great
bumper stickers saying 'anybody but bush' are stupid...they focused to much on why bush sucks and just made themselves look like asses.

[elemenohpe]

i'd say it was better for NIN to not play the awards. if they can't do the performance their way, then they don't do it. a band with such a huge fanbase as NIN doesn't need MTV to promote their album.

they've got commercials on adult swim for that.

and i think it shows guts to turn down a spot performing on an award show seen by millions because your morals are more important than your bank account.

[justinevans]

YEAH! AND WHY DON"T ALL THOSE NEGROS GO BACK TO AFRICA! /sarcasm
Could it be possible, that by showing disgust for the actions of our leader a man might be showing that he truly loves the country, you know... as in its worth trying to make better? Just a thought.

If he truly loved our country, he wouldn't make us listen to his music. He's not trying to make our country better....his pop culture music is exploiting our country just like the president is always said to be doing.

Lets face it...if the Democrats had nominated a president with intelligence they may have had a president. Gore, Kerry, come on now?

We need a real president. We have not had one in a very long time.

Bush looked like one after 9/11 and then yeah...

[radiofriendly]

i like freedom of speech, i like freedom of expression. i like the first ammendment to the constitution.

i don't like it when i hear of another instance of this administration taking those away.

i think Reznor wanted Bush's picture up there to imply that it's time to bite the hand that feeds... but maybe that's just me pointing out the obvious

when reading this whole post, i think it's important to take into account that Trent Reznor in his own, hasn't had any of his rights or opinions suppressed in any way. the only thing that has been stopped is Trent using MTV as a pedestal to promote his own opinions, not MTV's. if NIN is intent on doing this, and it has the potential to offend a large number of people, he needs to do it on his own television network so that he's held liable, otherwise i think it's mtv's call. with all this escalation in religion in mainstream, can you blame mtv for playing it safe.

this is the only instance where i don't like celebrities expressing their politics. when it's on somebody elses time, money, and responisiblity. i find it arrogant when they use awards shows, concerts, and things of that nature to promote what they feel is the truth. i pay money to see bands rock out. it's only a distraction when they have to split the crowd over politics when the music is what brought everybody there in the first place. not to mention that remarks just end up being snide rather than tactful and open minded, never really penetrating anybody's heads in the first place. and this goes for both sides of the political spectrum. all politics aside, its just courteous. forgive me for thinking so. doing otherwise, brings out some of the poorer qualities in celebrities, and i hate that. word.

[justinevans]

Clinton bombed Sudan ONCE - he hit an asprin manufacturing plant that he believed was creating chemical weapons, and had Osama Bin Laden in it.
Now go rent the movie "Black Hawk Down" and STFU


mccain/obama in '08 - bipartisanship at the hands of two upstanding men.


oh yeah? well im gonna tear your ass up like we just got married.
/not a title
//ducks


i like freedom of speech, i like freedom of expression. i like the first ammendment to the constitution.

i don't like it when i hear of another instance of this administration taking those away.

i think Reznor wanted Bush's picture up there to imply that it's time to bite the hand that feeds... but maybe that's just me pointing out the obvious

Sorry conservatives are not as whiny as the liberals...we didn't go on about everything we could not stand with Clinton...

Lets talk about....Pakistan going hey, you want bin laden, we have him....3 times.

Clinton proposed the oil line through afghanistan.

and then clinton did nothing for awhile cause he was too busy getting his dick sucked.

yes, i understand, who cares...but he was the president for christ sake. a role model.

Like I mentioned before, we have not had a good president in a very, very long time.

Freedom of Speech? you are speaking freely now.

There are crimes called slander and libel for reasons.

Yeah bite the hand that feeds...hopefully the hand will stop dishing out welfare checks to the lazy rather than the actual needy, who many times have too much pride to accept the check.

I doubt Bush had anything to do with this.

when reading this whole post, i think it's important to take into account that Trent Reznor in his own, hasn't had any of his rights or opinions suppressed in any way. the only thing that has been stopped is Trent using MTV as a pedestal to promote his own opinions, not MTV's. if NIN is intent on doing this, and it has the potential to offend a large number of people, he needs to do it on his own television network so that he's held liable, otherwise i think it's mtv's call. with all this escalation in religion in mainstream, can you blame mtv for playing it safe.

this is the only instance where i don't like celebrities expressing their politics. when it's on somebody elses time, money, and responisiblity. i find it arrogant when they use awards shows, concerts, and things of that nature to promote what they feel is the truth. i pay money to see bands rock out. it's only a distraction when they have to split the crowd over politics when the music is what brought everybody there in the first place. not to mention that remarks just end up being snide rather than tactful and open minded, never really penetrating anybody's heads in the first place. and this goes for both sides of the political spectrum. all politics aside, its just courteous. forgive me for thinking so. doing otherwise, brings out some of the poorer qualities in celebrities, and i hate that. word.

It's the F.A.G. way....(film actor's guild)

[Punk20]

this doesnt make any sense. how is MTV conservative?

on another note, this whole bashing bush thing is so cliched. if so many people hate bush why didnt they vote him out of office. kerry lost. get over it.

They tried to vote him out of office, but despite record numbers of people coming out to vote against him, there was an even large record number of people coming out of the bible belt and deep south to vote for him. You know how it goes - every family has like 10 kids down there, and they all praise Jesus as their lord and savior over the evils of homosexuality, Jews, dirty language, and any sort of progress. God I wish the south would secede from the union.

[thewebguy]

wow you are mostly all wrong.

not only would mtv be foolish to let him do this, they would be foolish to let anyone do anything THAT political during a main performance. there isn't much they would be able to do to make it look like they don't back his opinions on bush after that.

mtv wants to be edgy, they don't want to piss off that big of a percentage of their potential viewers.

this is the only instance where i don't like celebrities expressing their politics. when it's on somebody elses time, money, and responisiblity. i find it arrogant when they use awards shows, concerts, and things of that nature to promote what they feel is the truth. i pay money to see bands rock out. it's only a distraction when they have to split the crowd over politics when the music is what brought everybody there in the first place. not to mention that remarks just end up being snide rather than tactful and open minded, never really penetrating anybody's heads in the first place. and this goes for both sides of the political spectrum. all politics aside, its just courteous. forgive me for thinking so. doing otherwise, brings out some of the poorer qualities in celebrities, and i hate that. word.

wow i agree big time.

[SePaMc]

this is the only instance where i don't like celebrities expressing their politics. when it's on somebody elses time, money, and responisiblity. i find it arrogant when they use awards shows, concerts, and things of that nature to promote what they feel is the truth. i pay money to see bands rock out. it's only a distraction when they have to split the crowd over politics when the music is what brought everybody there in the first place. not to mention that remarks just end up being snide rather than tactful and open minded, never really penetrating anybody's heads in the first place. and this goes for both sides of the political spectrum. all politics aside, its just courteous. forgive me for thinking so. doing otherwise, brings out some of the poorer qualities in celebrities, and i hate that. word.

Amen. This is why Warped 2004 sucked to me. Awesome bands, but everyone was so politically focused to brainwash that 18-24 demographic...oh wait, they did vote for Kerry in record numbers.


And don't blame the "Bible Belt" or the South for Bush's Win. Bush won the majority of the states, in everywhere but the northeast. Just because you are bitter that he won, don't stereotype the south and act like you are so much better than them for voting for Kerry.


And to the kid that blamed the electoral college for being the reason Bush won....If we got rid of it...and the little states counted only as much as the people they had, they would not be in the country. Because of the House of Representatives, we convinced the smaller states (Rhode Island) to join the union. So if you get rid of it, presidents campaign in California, New York, Texas, Florida. Kinda wrecks it for the smaller states, and hey the way you present yourself there seems to make all the difference in each election...


And to whoever said that this will hurt MTV's numbers of people that watch it...uh, its MTV vs. Nine Inch Nails....Part of me thinks MTV will still have a shitload of people that watch it, including me, however "un-punk" any of you wish to say it is.

[ethicka]

nice, trent, nice. i don't think anyone has ever really believed mtv to be anything more than mainstream so let's not act surprised. what this indicates, though, is that the images that used to offend mainstream viewers of mtv (20-somethings who voted for Kerry) now no longer care about politics. mtv collects the zeitgiest of our generation. if viewers don't want to see bush's face then they won't show it.

...and that is scary. parties aside, political apathy is national suicide.

[Melissa Johnson]

Okay, so to the person who gave me negative scene points for stating a fact, (And I don't care about the points, I care about this idiotic comment you left):
"That's why 18-24 year olds shouldn't vote."
Are you kidding me? Excuse some of the masses of our generation for having and opinion and voicing it by voting...Not that it really mattered in the election, but excuse them for practicing their rights. Gee, what were they thinking?!

[The Gray Ghost]

Clinton was never as bad as bush on his best day.

[wesgemm08]

to everyone that says clinton is as bad as bush... clinton made friends with countries.. george bush made enemies.. basically clinton was one of the best things that has happened to our foreign relations in awhile.. and george w bush is one of the worst things to happen to foreign relations

[XpunkXroutineX]

"The primary difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they tell different lies to get elected. " - Mickey Z

"Republicans and Democrates are simply two adjoining cheeks of the same ass. They need each other" - Bada Dehili

Bush = idiotic war criminal, Clinton = horny war criminal.

Get over your delusion that Democrats are good, or that Republicans are. Look back at history...

[weworemasks]

a re-run of the fresh prince of bel-air was just on TV, but i only caught the last half. :(

[k0d1ak]

If he truly loved our country, he wouldn't make us listen to his music. He's not trying to make our country better....his pop culture music is exploiting our country just like the president is always said to be doing.

Lets face it...if the Democrats had nominated a president with intelligence they may have had a president. Gore, Kerry, come on now?

We need a real president. We have not had one in a very long time.

Bush looked like one after 9/11 and then yeah...

Hmmm, I guess I'm one of the unlucky few that haven't been made to listen to NIN yet, hopefully Trent will show up at my house with a gun soon ready to force me to listen to music cause I wanna give him a great big hug. That said, market explotation of a nation isn't quite as nasty as political exploitation. NIN or System of a Down selling a couple thousand extra records because they make a popular stand isn't as bad as a politician exploiting a faith to get an extra couple of electorate votes. Being religious should not be something present in the public life of a president, he can worship goats and chickens in his private life or anything but a president shouldn't make such gratuitous references to God. Communism isn't the enemy anymore, we don't have to talk about God all the time just to prove we aren't turning red :-P/
As for needing a real president, thats a tricky situation, as all you know of these supposed "real" presidents is what you hear as historical recounts.... whose to know what the historical recounts of Bush, Clinton and Reagan will be (Reagan is already pretty damn bad).

All that said, d00der I like your sig, Jessica Alba is friggen crazy hot.

[aminorthreat55]

"The primary difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they tell different lies to get elected. " - Mickey Z

"Republicans and Democrates are simply two adjoining cheeks of the same ass. They need each other" - Bada Dehili

Bush = idiotic war criminal, Clinton = horny war criminal.

Get over your delusion that Democrats are good, or that Republicans are. Look back at history...
Get over your delusion that you know everything.

[jerkstore20]

i like how intelligent everyone here is. i get like 1 million negative scene points, and the only comment anyone leaves is:
"Your scene points on this post is Extremely Negative.
Comments on this Post: stupid liberal bitch

You have -1508664 Scene Points. "

can you be any more immature? i mean, it's not like the quote i posted was exactly what the founding fathers were doing or anything. and it certainly wasn't what they intended with the constitution..... fucking idiots.

TRUE TIL DEATH.
Jason.




"I know my own nation best. That's why I despise it the most. And I know and love my own people too, the swine. I'm a patriot. A dangerous man." - Edward Abbey.

if that doesn't tell you something about the state of the world today, you're not even really alive.

TRUE TIL DEATH.
Jason.

[finchalicious]

Why would you even CONSIDER the notion in the first place?

Um, to watch NIN perform ... d'uh!

[wesgemm08]

"The primary difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they tell different lies to get elected. " - Mickey Z

"Republicans and Democrates are simply two adjoining cheeks of the same ass. They need each other" - Bada Dehili

Bush = idiotic war criminal, Clinton = horny war criminal.

Get over your delusion that Democrats are good, or that Republicans are. Look back at history...


When you try to act like a smartass, you should at least say something that is minutely intelligent

..and you cant look that far back in history considering modern conservatism only really started during the Nixon/Reagan era and modern liberalism roots only really date back to the FDR presidency

[Sinister Rouge]

HYPOCRISY ALERT:

Bush supports the government of Uzbekistan whose leader persecutes and tortures Muslims and kills his own people while he talks about bringing freedom to the oppressed.

Bush is a liar, a butcher, and a hypocrit just like his hero Reagan. Supporting dictators while crying Freedom. How dare people not like Bush and his double standard.

[maledixtion]

yea and more ppl voted for kerry because of musicians saying vote kerry than ppl that voted for bush because he has "morals" (former alcoholic and cokehead) and opposes abortion

alcoholism is a disease, and he has the willpower to stay away from it, what's the problem? coke is a different story though.

[kittypants]

fuck NIN...

Dubya is the best president since Reagan.

[justinevans]

Hmmm, I guess I'm one of the unlucky few that haven't been made to listen to NIN yet, hopefully Trent will show up at my house with a gun soon ready to force me to listen to music cause I wanna give him a great big hug. That said, market explotation of a nation isn't quite as nasty as political exploitation. NIN or System of a Down selling a couple thousand extra records because they make a popular stand isn't as bad as a politician exploiting a faith to get an extra couple of electorate votes. Being religious should not be something present in the public life of a president, he can worship goats and chickens in his private life or anything but a president shouldn't make such gratuitous references to God. Communism isn't the enemy anymore, we don't have to talk about God all the time just to prove we aren't turning red :-P/
As for needing a real president, thats a tricky situation, as all you know of these supposed "real" presidents is what you hear as historical recounts.... whose to know what the historical recounts of Bush, Clinton and Reagan will be (Reagan is already pretty damn bad).

All that said, d00der I like your sig, Jessica Alba is friggen crazy hot.

Kerry was public about being religious too...

Religion has always driven wars and problems. It always will. Bush bashed abortion and gay marriages for elections...nothing will be done about them in his term.

Kerry opposed him for the elections.

Welcome to our system. If you voted for Bush or Kerry, we are morons. Simple as that.

to everyone that says clinton is as bad as bush... clinton made friends with countries.. george bush made enemies.. basically clinton was one of the best things that has happened to our foreign relations in awhile.. and george w bush is one of the worst things to happen to foreign relations

...Okay, cause Clinton was a pussy.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/5/142108.shtml

[k0d1ak]

Kerry was public about being religious too...

Religion has always driven wars and problems. It always will. Bush bashed abortion and gay marriages for elections...nothing will be done about them in his term.

Kerry opposed him for the elections.

Welcome to our system. If you voted for Bush or Kerry, we are morons. Simple as that.

I was more ranting about how the office has become than complaining about Bush in general. I actually opposed Bush and Kerry in the election cause I voted 3rd party which is a wasted vote! :headshake not really folks. Fuck the 2 party system, educate yourself about the others, I'm not advocating anyone vote for the Constitutionalist party (dear sweet crap talk about a backwards ass group, sorry if any of you out there are actually supporter... like thats a possibility) its just the youth needs to show that third parties are a viable possibility, if not for the next election or the election after that then for the election when we are the 40 year old dudes and there is a whole new group of kids. Hah, any history buff knows the Republican party was originally a third party... hopefully it won't take an event as huge as an impending Civil War to get another third party elected, Fuck I get so riled up about a multiparty system, I'm ready to kill a man with my bare hands ! RAWR. :soapbox: /end_political_rant

[maledixtion]

fuck NIN...

Dubya is the best president since Reagan.
that's because there aren't a whole lot of presidents after reagan to pick from. G.W. Bush isn't that great. I like him, I voted for him, but he's not amazing.

[AlkTrio205]

I was more ranting about how the office has become than complaining about Bush in general. I actually opposed Bush and Kerry in the election cause I voted 3rd party which is a wasted vote! :headshake not really folks. Fuck the 2 party system, educate yourself about the others, I'm not advocating anyone vote for the Constitutionalist party (dear sweet crap talk about a backwards ass group, sorry if any of you out there are actually supporter... like thats a possibility) its just the youth needs to show that third parties are a viable possibility, if not for the next election or the election after that then for the election when we are the 40 year old dudes and there is a whole new group of kids. Hah, any history buff knows the Republican party was originally a third party... hopefully it won't take an event as huge as an impending Civil War to get another third party elected, Fuck I get so riled up about a multiparty system, I'm ready to kill a man with my bare hands ! RAWR. :soapbox: /end_political_rant

Word.

Out of curiousity, who did you vote for? I'm a Green member, so I voted for Cobb.

[aminorthreat55]

fuck NIN...

Dubya is the best president since Reagan.
Whose administration almost single-handedly created the international "terrorism" that we're fighting against today. Gotta love that.

[CloseYetFar]

Bush sucks but people were stupid enough to re-elect him...just comes to show how fucked up this so called democracy is.

[BlinkFoundMSU]

wow, last time i get involved in a political thread.
i never made my politcal beliefs known, i didn't say if i backed bush, or if i backed clinton. just stating the facts.
of course i know it's reznor's beliefs, im just saying that hypothetically, MTV pulled NIN for fear of somesort of backlash, from the media? they were responsible for janet jackson's tit.

i can't believe i got in to this thread at all.
1. don't care about NIN
2. don't care about politics with a firey passion

[wesgemm08]

Kerry was public about being religious too...

Religion has always driven wars and problems. It always will. Bush bashed abortion and gay marriages for elections...nothing will be done about them in his term.

Kerry opposed him for the elections.

Welcome to our system. If you voted for Bush or Kerry, we are morons. Simple as that.



...Okay, cause Clinton was a pussy.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/5/142108.shtml


I never talked about kerry's religion.. i was just talking about the pure fact that people voted for bush because they said he had "morals"... while he had no more morals than john kerry, for god's sake they r politicians, no one makes it that far in politics being a saint. So basing your entire vote on whether someone has morals or not is simply ludicrous. And opposing abortion and gay marriage doesnt mean you have any better morals than someone that is for them

alcoholism is a disease, and he has the willpower to stay away from it, what's the problem? coke is a different story though.

that doesnt answer my questions of why his morals were greater than john kerry's?

[LorDeep]

THANK YOU

id say the same, but i cant get the text size any higher...

[xmyvillainsgilx]

You can love America and still hate our president (such as myself)

Can someone explain to me why any young person loves the America we bare witness to? I'm 17, since I became aware of current events and the world around me (around the time I was 13) I have found no reason to love this country. Maybe it's cause of patriotism (no, I don't think patriotism is a good thing), racism, sexism, living in the South, etc. but to me, America is lame and so is our president.

Everyone who hates the president nowadays is saying they hate the president, but love America. I'm starting to really doubt the truth of that statement.

[justinevans]

I never talked about kerry's religion.. i was just talking about the pure fact that people voted for bush because they said he had "morals"... while he had no more morals than john kerry, for god's sake they r politicians, no one makes it that far in politics being a saint. So basing your entire vote on whether someone has morals or not is simply ludicrous. And opposing abortion and gay marriage doesnt mean you have any better morals than someone that is for them



that doesnt answer my questions of why his morals were greater than john kerry's?

ha, well my vote didn't count so it doesn't matter.

i think we need to be fiscal conservatives and social liberals...

we just need to find a happy medium.

but yeah that is why I voted for bush...