Stop Deleting my fucking threads

[MrChainsaw389]

I didn't post anything against the rules in the last thread, so fuck off whoever is doing it.

[Shellular]

DISCUSS my ass. you people are stupid.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I didn't post anything against the rules in the last thread, so fuck off whoever is doing it.
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[MrChainsaw389]

You can't delete our threads on assumptions

[Shellular]

AND i didnt delete the other one, I don't know who did. Why would I delete a thread that I'm talking to someone in?

[Trainsaw]

We in the black delegation select: Tiger Woods.

[Shellular]

You can't delete our threads on assumptions
Bull mother fucking SHIT. Don't play dumb.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

AND i didnt delete the other one, I don't know who did. Why would I delete a thread that I'm talking to someone in?
it was you, or it was Jason.

[Shellular]

it was you, or it was Jason.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE ON STAFF CAN DELETE SHIT. STOP BLAMING ME.

[richter915]

if only I were a mod...this wouldn't be happening.

[Drew Beringer]

We in the black delegation select: Tiger Woods.

Goodbye chicken and rice, hello fried chicken! Oh, and I always wanted to say this.... FOR SHIZZLE! :animateds

[Shellular]

if only I were a mod...this wouldn't be happening.
Yes it would, because the minute you get power, everyone all the sudden thinks you're against them. Do you guys think that I think this not talking about leaked albums thing is great? No, I think it's fucking stupid, but I HAVE to delete threads like this, hello, do none of you see the sticky Frank made.

[Trainsaw]

The black delegation requests Eminem...

Now Wait A God Damn Minuet Rondell!!!

[MrChainsaw389]

This whole site is run by a bunch of fucking selfish pricks, everytime someone decent gets onto staff they get blacklisted like a motherfucker *that kamtin guy and Jon Wark*

[urowndisaster52]

DISCUSS my ass. you people are stupid.
what shall be discussed about it?

[Trainsaw]

if only I were a mod...this wouldn't be happening.

i'd vote for you

[Sin Built]

You can't delete our threads on assumptions
dude, dont you get it? no one likes you with your self centered narcysystic (i think thats how you spell it) opinions. and besides the fact that no one likes you, no one cares either. so why dont you just crawl in the hole now and bury yourself alive.

[Shellular]

This whole site is run by a bunch of fucking selfish pricks, everytime someone decent gets onto staff they get blacklisted like a motherfucker *that kamtin guy and Jon Wark*
Then leave. No one fucking says you guys have to come here. Go "discuss" leaked shit somewhere else.

[MrChainsaw389]

dude, dont you get it? no one likes you with your self centered narcysystic (i think thats how you spell it) opinions. and besides the fact that no one likes you, no one cares either. so why dont you just crawl in the hole now and bury yourself alive.
Who the fuck are you?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

dude, dont you get it? no one likes you with your self centered narcysystic (i think thats how you spell it) opinions. and besides the fact that no one likes you, no one cares either. so why dont you just crawl in the hole now and bury yourself alive.
whats the matter? Fall Out Boy doesn't sing the word "narcissistic" so you can't spell it? leave the kid alone.

[urowndisaster52]

Who the fuck are you?
i second that question

[MrChainsaw389]

Then leave. No one fucking says you guys have to come here. Go "discuss" leaked shit somewhere else.
If there was another board that was as big as this one, I'm sure a lot of people would leave.

[Trainsaw]

We should be able to talk about what we want, I <3 Free Speech

[Shellular]

If there was another board that was as big as this one, I'm sure a lot of people would leave.
I just don't see why you can't follow the rules. It's not that hard to not talk about leaked albums. You guys don't realize that Jason gets bitched at about this shit. Give him a break, geeze.

[SonEric84]

i second that question



I errr....third it? Yeah.

[MrChainsaw389]

We should be able to talk about what we want, I <3 Free Speech
Tate wouldn't get free music that way.

[HailTheHartBrak]

quit with the Malarkey!!!!!

[kidinthecorner]

Speaking of "discussing," is there anything new out?

[AshesAshes]

Shelly is a good mod

[Drew Beringer]

The black delegation requests Eminem...

Now Wait A God Damn Minuet Rondell!!!

Quit the mullarcky, a white man is speaking!

(quoting Chapelle Show is more fun)

[when 4ever ends]

Who the fuck are you?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/untitled.bmp

[urowndisaster52]

Speaking of "discussing," is there anything new out?
you.....

[Trainsaw]

quit with the Malarkey!!!!!


dofl, malarkey

but for real, Tate can't do shit about what people say on the website, this isn't the only website in the world that talks about leaked material. Perhaps Tate should tell the people giving him shit to back the fuck off because there's not much he can do about what other people say.

[Shellular]

Speaking of "discussing," is there anything new out?
Are you fucking serious. I wish I had the power to IP ban.

[Drew Beringer]

quit with the Malarkey!!!!!


Haha, fuck you beat me! :animateds

[richter915]

Speaking of "discussing," is there anything new out?
hahahaha someone's a badass.

[MrChainsaw389]

I just don't see why you can't follow the rules. It's not that hard to not talk about leaked albums. You guys don't realize that Jason gets bitched at about this shit. Give him a break, geeze.
It's a free fucking country. People talk about leaks on band's fucking websites, but noone stops them from doing it. It's all about fucking money and you know it shelly.

[Love As Arson]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.

[richter915]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/untitled.bmp
thank you.

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.
linkin park for example...bad example but an example none the less

[AshesAshes]

i dont see the big deal that we cant talk about leaked albums learn how to get leaked albums on your own....and ya i dont see what shelly is doing wrong.good moderator from what i understand.

[Trainsaw]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.


exactly.

[when 4ever ends]

dude, dont you get it? no one likes you with your self centered narcysystic (i think thats how you spell it) opinions. and besides the fact that no one likes you, no one cares either. so why dont you just crawl in the hole now and bury yourself alive.


im going to tear your ass up like we just got divorced... you suck dick.

[SonEric84]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.


Damn straight. Record labels can blow me.

[MrChainsaw389]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.
without filesharing, I'd say 75% of these bands would have given up because they would have sold NO records.

[Shellular]

It's a free fucking country. People talk about leaks on band's fucking websites, but noone stops them from doing it. It's all about fucking money and you know it shelly.
I don't care what it's about. I really do not give a flying fuck. All I know is I'm supposed to delete threads about leaking, and thats what I do. GET OVER IT. You guys act like such children.

[Drew Beringer]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.

He speaks the truth.

[Sin Built]

Who the fuck are you?
read the name asshole, im effin bryan.

whats the matter? Fall Out Boy doesn't sing the word "narcissistic" so you can't spell it? leave the kid alone.
when have you ever heard me talking about FOB besides the thread about sugar were goin down? dont just assume shit. just cuz i spelled narcissistic wrong doesnt make you any better than me.

[kidinthecorner]

Ruffled feathers. I would've requested an actual album, had I known what leaked. But if you look closely, I said new out, not newly leaked.

Who cares...

It's Tate's website, therefore he's to blame for everything on it. I agree there shouldn't be discussion of leaked shit, but I also agree that's what keeps new bands afloat.

[urowndisaster52]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.
you have a very good point sir

[Trainsaw]

The problem is people take themselves to seriously, they think they owe it to some record company to stop people from talking about some cd that leaked.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

It's a free fucking country. People talk about leaks on band's fucking websites, but noone stops them from doing it. It's all about fucking money and you know it shelly.
the difference is that those bands don't have the "connections to record labels" that Jason has. -rolls eyes-


end sarcasm here.

[Shellular]

Without filesharing half the bands that made this place popular wouldn't have sold as many records as they have.
I know, please trust me, I really do know. But I have to delete threads about leaking. I have to. They don't want them here, so I have to. It's not up to me. I don't do it because I think leaking is wrong or whatever, I do it because they told me to.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

read the name asshole, im effin bryan.


when have you ever heard me talking about FOB besides the thread about sugar were goin down? dont just assume shit. just cuz i spelled narcissistic wrong doesnt make you any better than me.
i'm looking at your signature right now, mr. loaded god complex.

[MrChainsaw389]

I know, please trust me, I really do know. But I have to delete threads about leaking. I have to. They don't want them here, so I have to. It's not up to me. I don't do it because I think leaking is wrong or whatever, I do it because they told me to.
Well if you don't like it so much then why are you a fucking mod?

[Scott Weber]

It's a free fucking country. People talk about leaks on band's fucking websites, but noone stops them from doing it. It's all about fucking money and you know it shelly.
You need to shut the fuck up. I don't know who's deleting your threads, but this website is responsible for the actions that go on in it. This is not a fucking bittorrent forums, this is to talk about music, not to post illegal yousendit links or give AIM names to spread leaked albums. Your "discussion" bullshit isn't fooling anybody. If you knew what it was like to have labels constantly breathing down your neck, begging you to delete threads where kids are passing around leaked albums that KILL record sales, then maybe you'd understand. If you had a job in the industry where you could even comprehend the effect of an album leak, THEN maybe you'd get it. But the fact is, you don't, and you're a fucking asscunt for whining about why you can't do illegal shit on a website that is supposed to HELP bands, not take away from their record sales and ultimate success. In short, listen to Shelly.

[punklet2101]

Shelly your audioscrobbler thing looks hot

[Shellular]

Well if you don't like it so much then why are you a fucking mod?
Because I love AP. Not so much right now, because it's full of moronic immature assholes, but I do love AP.

[MrChainsaw389]

You need to shut the fuck up. I don't know who's deleting your threads, but this website is responsible for the actions that go on in it. This is not a fucking bittorrent forums, this is to talk about music, not to post illegal yousendit links or give AIM names to spread leaked albums. Your "discussion" bullshit isn't fooling anybody. If you knew what it was like to have labels constantly breathing down your neck, begging you to delete threads where kids are passing around leaked albums that KILL record sales, then maybe you'd understand. If you had a job in the industry where you could even comprehend the effect of an album leak, THEN maybe you'd get it. But the fact is, you don't, and you're a fucking asscunt for whining about why you can't do illegal shit on a website that is supposed to HELP bands, not take away from their record sales and ultimate success. In short, listen to Shelly.
This from one of the many worthless fucks who get all these albums we ask for sent to their front door.

[urowndisaster52]

You need to shut the fuck up. I don't know who's deleting your threads, but this website is responsible for the actions that go on in it. This is not a fucking bittorrent forums, this is to talk about music, not to post illegal yousendit links or give AIM names to spread leaked albums. Your "discussion" bullshit isn't fooling anybody. If you knew what it was like to have labels constantly breathing down your neck, begging you to delete threads where kids are passing around leaked albums that KILL record sales, then maybe you'd understand. If you had a job in the industry where you could even comprehend the effect of an album leak, THEN maybe you'd get it. But the fact is, you don't, and you're a fucking asscunt for whining about why you can't do illegal shit on a website that is supposed to HELP bands, not take away from their record sales and ultimate success. In short, listen to Shelly.
snap!

[Shellular]

This from one of the many worthless fucks who get all these albums we ask for sent to their front door.
You're just bitter and jealous because you don't work for ap, like you wanted to so long ago.

[Sin Built]

i'm looking at your signature right now, mr. loaded god complex.
its a good line, so i put it in my sig. and clearly you listen to them or you wouldnt have known what it was from. hypocrite.

[Vincewithouthee]

Funny. This topic is crappy and already has a lot of posts. There really has to be a reason IF your topics got deleted. If not they'd be power-abusing, which I doubt.

Anyway, if anything happens with this topic it should probably be closed. This is dumb.

[Shellular]

Shelly your audioscrobbler thing looks hot
Awww thank you!!!! You should get a pretty pink one too!!

[Frank Giaramita]

I FUCKING DELETED YOUR THREADS, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, TAKE IT UP WITH CAPITOL RECORDS OR SUCK MY FUCKING DING DONG

Thank you.

[when 4ever ends]

all we need is that kids sig.. "you have unleashed the fucking fury"

thats pretty much this thread right now

[Pat Marquez]

what are you howtostartafire again?

sorry scott i had to, you know im kidding i could care less

. Not so much right now


you always say that, remember that time AP was so intense you said you were leaving because richard or jake or whatever the fuck his name was .. was going to be a mod?? omgzzz

[Scott Weber]

This from one of the many worthless fucks who get all these albums we ask for sent to their front door.
And this makes me a worthless fuck how? Seriously man - get over yourself. Either learn to download so you can enjoy shit to yourself without begging others for it, or keep your mouth shut. These aren't file sharing forums and never will be.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

You're just bitter and jealous because you don't work for ap, like you wanted to so long ago.
haha ouch....

[MrChainsaw389]

You're just bitter and jealous because you don't work for ap, like you wanted to so long ago.
Yeah, so I could get all the free shit that everyone that works here gets.

[Scott Weber]

hat are you howtostartafire again?

sorry scott i had to, you know im kidding i could care less
I still bring the regulation when I have to. ahaha.

[Shellular]

Yeah, so I could get all the free shit that everyone that works here gets.
God, you don't need to act like a dick. Nothing is free. They get albums because they need to review them, because THAT IS THEIR JOB. Do you not understand that?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I FUCKING DELETED YOUR THREADS, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, TAKE IT UP WITH CAPITOL RECORDS OR SUCK MY FUCKING DING DONG

Thank you.
that was rather professional of you, Mr. AP Staff.

EDIT: now it really was, you changed it from COCK to DING DONG. (or so i believe, i might be seeing shit i'm tired)

its a good line, so i put it in my sig. and clearly you listen to them or you wouldnt have known what it was from. hypocrite.
i don't make threads celebrating their greatness. i just listen to them every once in awhile.

[Shellular]

what are you howtostartafire again?

sorry scott i had to, you know im kidding i could care less

.


you always say that, remember that time AP was so intense you said you were leaving because richard or jake or whatever the fuck his name was .. was going to be a mod?? omgzzz
Do you know how long ago that was, and shut up, you dont like more than half the people here too. You just like to push my buttons. Leave me alone.

[MrChainsaw389]

And this makes me a worthless fuck how? Seriously man - get over yourself. Either learn to download so you can enjoy shit to yourself without begging others for it, or keep your mouth shut. These aren't file sharing forums and never will be.
It makes you a worthless fuck because you're a hypocrit, a corporate cock sucker, a power hungry slut. You have no reason to exsist besides making people wait for what they want, and shitting on the little people. That's why you are a worthless fuck.

[Scott Weber]

Yeah, so I could get all the free shit that everyone that works here gets.
Reasons you don't work for AP:

1. You're 16 and probably can't write.
2. You're annoying as shit, and all you do is whine.
3. I can't be the only staff member who thinks you're a completely worthless stoner.
4. You create these kinds of threads.

My advice to you, is graduate, make friends with staff...actually, no wait, screw it, I'd say you pretty much have no chance here.

Here's my real advice.

www.knifeparty.com

[urowndisaster52]

I FUCKING DELETED YOUR THREADS, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, TAKE IT UP WITH CAPITOL RECORDS OR SUCK MY FUCKING DING DONG

Thank you.
dude...you totally should have gone with "Dick."
Bad word choice. I can't take any yelling seriously when it says "DING DONG!" it would have been just as effective if you said "PEE-PEE"

[Frank Giaramita]

that was rather professional of you, Mr. AP Staff.


i don't make threads celebrating their greatness. i just listen to them every once in awhile.

I don't feel the need to be professional in these forums. In the news forum, it's a little different. But in here, I don't give a fucking shit cunt cock ass hole twat what anyone says... unless of course client or friends at labels are bothered by it.

[kidinthecorner]

You all need to calm the fuck down.

[chaoticXpunk]

"Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast!"

[Frank Giaramita]

dude...you totally should have gone with "Dick."
Bad word choice. I can't take any yelling seriously when it says "DING DONG!" it would have been just as effective if you said "PEE-PEE"

I had "cock", but i changed it bc Ding Dong isn't comonly used at all. ill change it back if you really want me too... we'll take a vote


"Dick"?

or

"Ding Dong"?

[Scott Weber]

It makes you a worthless fuck because you're a hypocrit, a corporate cock sucker, a power hungry slut. You have no reason to exsist besides making people wait for what they want, and shitting on the little people. That's why you are a worthless fuck.
I'm power hungry? I didn't delete this thread. I'd say you're the one who's begging for power if you're complaining so hard about something so little being taken away from you. And guess what? Corporate power is the only way to make money. Are you so punk that you'll never have a job?

[Sin Built]

i don't make threads celebrating their greatness. i just listen to them every once in awhile.
i didnt make a thread celebrating their greatness. i made a thread asking everyone their opinion of the song. which is kinda what the forum is for. opinions.

[Pat Marquez]

It makes you a worthless fuck because you're a hypocrit, a corporate cock sucker, a power hungry slut. You have no reason to exsist besides making people wait for what they want, and shitting on the little people. That's why you are a worthless fuck.
those are fighting words

[Shellular]

Awwww Scott my love, he already worked for KP.

[SonEric84]

I don't feel the need to be professional in these forums. In the news forum, it's a little different. But in here, I don't give a fucking shit cunt cock ass hole twat what anyone says... unless of course client or friends at labels are bothered by it.

Dude, I get the point you're trying to make there...but that's fucked up cause you make it sound like you don't give a shit about another VERY important part of this website....AKA the fans, who without there wouldn't be a website...

[kidinthecorner]

Reasons you don't work for AP:

Here's my real advice.

www.knifeparty.com
HEY!


Thank you for the +4 hits we're going to get.

[poppa Q]

Haha, wow.

[Sin Built]

Are you so punk that you'll never have a job?
owned...

[Vincewithouthee]

You all need to calm the fuck down.

w0rd. I don't know what happened, but it is pretty ridiculous.

[Scott Weber]

Awwww Scott my love, he already worked for KP.
HA! Not suprised! That's where a lot of AP bitter/rejects go.

[SonEric84]

owned...

Could you take your mouth off the staff member's dicks for a sec? I mean seriously. Both sides have good points so just cut the shit.

[TheNumberOneFan]

We in the black delegation select: Tiger Woods.

hahah Dave Chapelle??? :)

[Shellular]

Could you take your mouth off the staff member's dicks for a sec? I mean seriously. Both sides have good points so just cut the shit.
bbbbbbut they taste so good.

[SonEric84]

bbbbbbut they taste so good.


haha....I wouldn't know.

[MrChainsaw389]

You all need to calm the fuck down.
:sigh: you're right. This is all pointless anyway. AP has been for quite a while, a corporate slut of a website. It's unfortunate that noone has been able to sway all of the really cool people to start another forum. Just about everyone that works for/runs this website has become part of the cycle. Pat and Brendan are just about the only ones that haven't, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got fired for this reason or that sooner or later

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

HA! Not suprised! That's where a lot of AP bitter/rejects go.
don't be a fucking prick, Scott.....

[Trainsaw]

I understand that people that work for this site have to delete threads because the person that owns this site told them to, The point that i don't get is why would the person that owns this site allow record labels to push them around when they are doing nothing wrong at all and cannot control what other humans say or type in this instance (last time i checked downloading isn't illegal so i wouldn't think that talking about albums that leaked is illegal either).

[Frank Giaramita]

It makes you a worthless fuck because you're a hypocrit, a corporate cock sucker, a power hungry slut. You have no reason to exsist besides making people wait for what they want, and shitting on the little people. That's why you are a worthless fuck.

Power hungry!?...yes, bc us banning and deleting threads really displays POWER and FORCE... I think you spend a little too much time on the computer if you call that "power". It's a shame all of us can't have cool usernames like "Mr Chainsaw" to effectively portray the amount of "power" we possess... :headshake

I understand that people that work for this site have to delete threads because the person that owns this site told them to, The point that i don't get is why would the person that owns this site allow record labels to push them around when they are doing nothing wrong at all (last time i checked downloading isn't illegal so i wouldn't think that talking about albums that leaked is illegal either).

uhmmm, downloading is very illegal :animateds

[when 4ever ends]

HEY!


Thank you for the +4 hits we're going to get.


ahahahhahjahahahahhah!!!!!

my friend mike writes there.. or at elast he says he does

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Power hungry!?...yes, bc us banning and deleting threads really displays POWER and FORCE... I think you spend a little too much time on the computer if you call that "power". It's a shame all of us can't have cool usernames like "Mr Chainsaw" to effectively portray the amount of "power" we possess... :headshake



uhmmm, downloading is very illegal :animateds
isn't "Mr. Chainsaw" a song by a band called the Alkaline Trio?

and if i remember correctly, he used to be (or maybe still is) a rather large fan of this band?

[Vincewithouthee]

I understand that people that work for this site have to delete threads because the person that owns this site told them to, The point that i don't get is why would the person that owns this site allow record labels to push them around when they are doing nothing wrong at all and cannot control what other humans say or type in this instance (last time i checked downloading isn't illegal so i wouldn't think that talking about albums that leaked is illegal either).

Downloading isn't illegal but SHARING is. That's what it's all about, sharing. Whoever shares should get in trouble, not the downloaders.

[kidinthecorner]

:sigh: you're right. This is all pointless anyway. AP has been for quite a while, a corporate slut of a website. It's unfortunate that noone has been able to sway all of the really cool people to start another forum. Just about everyone that works for/runs this website has become part of the cycle. Pat and Brendan are just about the only ones that haven't, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got fired for this reason or that sooner or later
Oh, yea that's it exactly.

Listen, I post news for KnifeParty all the time, and I'd love it if it would become what absolute punk is. Unfortunately, I get VERY little help. Look at the site. I'm Matty. I suck at reviewing CDs, but I do, because otherwise there'd be NO fucking updates.

Sites spring up all the fucking time to try to become what this is. What cycle are you talkinga bout that's so bad? The one that brings you music every day? Back off and be thankful. I said everyone needs to calm down because you're bitching about fucking post counts.

[Frank Giaramita]

:sigh: you're right. This is all pointless anyway. AP has been for quite a while, a corporate slut of a website. It's unfortunate that noone has been able to sway all of the really cool people to start another forum. Just about everyone that works for/runs this website has become part of the cycle. Pat and Brendan are just about the only ones that haven't, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got fired for this reason or that sooner or later

You have over 3000 posts... I guess you enjoy contributing to a "corporate slut of a website"!? Ironic.

[Scott Weber]

don't be a fucking prick, Scott.....
Yeah, that was low, but there are some of those people there...MrChainsaw included...
I understand that people that work for this site have to delete threads because the person that owns this site told them to, The point that i don't get is why would the person that owns this site allow record labels to push them around when they are doing nothing wrong at all (last time i checked downloading isn't illegal so i wouldn't think that talking about albums that leaked is illegal either).
Um, downloading IS illegal.....

:sigh: you're right. This is all pointless anyway. AP has been for quite a while, a corporate slut of a website. It's unfortunate that noone has been able to sway all of the really cool people to start another forum. Just about everyone that works for/runs this website has become part of the cycle. Pat and Brendan are just about the only ones that haven't, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got fired for this reason or that sooner or later
What is wrong with this forum? And are you telling me that Ryan Mills is part of the cycle? Please. I don't even know what your corporate cycle consists of. I don't get paid for my job, nobody does - we all volunteer, man.

[urowndisaster52]

boys have penises and girls have vaginas

[Trainsaw]

Downloading isn't illegal but SHARING is. That's what it's all about, sharing. Whoever shares should get in trouble, not the downloaders.


thank you, downloading is not illegal, they have no way of know if you are backing up your cd's that you own or not.

[Frank Giaramita]

Yeah, that was low, but there are some of those people there...MrChainsaw included...

Um, downloading IS illegal.....


What is wrong with this forum? And are you telling me that Ryan Mills is part of the cycle? Please. I don't even know what your corporate cycle consists of. I don't get paid for my job, nobody does - we all volunteer, man.

I responded to your email by the way... I was a fucking prick in it too. I hope you enjoy it! :animateds

[Scott Weber]

Listen, I post news for KnifeParty all the time, and I'd love it if it would become what absolute punk is. Unfortunately, I get VERY little help. Look at the site. I'm Matty. I suck at reviewing CDs, but I do, because otherwise there'd be NO fucking updates.

Sites spring up all the fucking time to try to become what this is. What cycle are you talkinga bout that's so bad? The one that brings you music every day? Back off and be thankful. I said everyone needs to calm down because you're bitching about fucking post counts.
Thank you for a reasonable explanation.

[when 4ever ends]

anyone wana play some isketch?

[Shellular]

Thank you for a reasonable explanation.
Yeah, seriously. I wish everyone here would understand what that person just said.

[Scott Weber]

I responded to your email by the way... I was a fucking prick in it too. I hope you enjoy it! :animateds
Typical overreacting and assholeness! classic frank, gotta love it.

[TheNumberOneFan]

isn't "Mr. Chainsaw" a song by a band called the Alkaline Trio?

and if i remember correctly, he used to be (or maybe still is) a rather large fan of this band?

wow that had nothing to do with the fact that he likes Akaline Trio--

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Thank you for a reasonable explanation.
yeah see i only got pissed because i used to be staff there before i got busy with shit, i was one of the original members, one of the ones who talked about the design of the site, and what we wanted it to be, blahblahblah....i never applied, or even desired, to be staff at AP.net, so you can't say that everyone at KP is an AP reject.

[Sin Built]

Could you take your mouth off the staff member's dicks for a sec? I mean seriously. Both sides have good points so just cut the shit.
somone was gonna say it. and i didnt say they didnt have good points. truth is, they do. but i have to side with the mods on this one simply for the fact that if everyone keeps talking about leaked albums, the labels are gonna pull the funding for the site and there will be no more AP. exactly how hard is it to just not talk about leaked albums? if you wanna talk about them, start a chat on msn or something. but dont bring it on a forum that gets the majority of its funding from labels. its stupid.

[urowndisaster52]

it all depends on what you are downloading...if ap let people discuss albums, in the eyes of the law, it would be the same thing as a website hosting a place for people to talk about killing someone. i know killing is more severe, but it is still allowing illegal activity to go on. AP would be negligible for illegal activity that goes on here. I have to side with the staff on this one...if you guys want to talk about it, find some other forum and get everyone to go there.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

wow that had nothing to do with the fact that he likes Akaline Trio--
think about it, asshat.

Mr Chainsaw. a song. by Alkaline Trio.

he is a fan of the Alkaline Trio.

he most likely likes the song titled, "Mr. Chainsaw" by, THE ALKALINE TRIO

Love of Alkaline Trio + Love of Mr. Chainsaw + need of a Username = MrChainsaw389. 389 possibly being a birthday, or lucky numbers.


Do you need me to break that down further, son?

[kidinthecorner]

Neither did I. I left with the band of people who hated Tate because they asked me to, and then I was asked to be on the staff. I was never begging to be on anything, but gladly accepted it. I like the benefits, I would just like it better if I got some help to make it reasonable. We're a joke right now, and no one on staff sees it and cares.

[urowndisaster52]

anyone wana play some isketch?
and miss this bullshit?

[chaoticXpunk]

and miss this bullshit?
I need more popcorn, haha.

[MrChainsaw389]

Okay, I'm going to try my very best to explain why people, or at the very least, I, get pissed off about the "not being able to talk about leaks" bullshit. When the staff members post news about how amazing an album is 4 months before it's release, it's kind of mounts tension. Sometimes, albums don't get talked about at all in advance, and I have no problem waiting for them. But when Tate is talking about how Spill canvas' album is going to be the best of the year, and I don't even know if it has a release date, that's kind of fucked up. We, the loyal fans of this website, expect to be informed of current music news. I don't want to read a review of an album that isn't coming out until 2006. If the staff didn't post about albums that aren't coming out for a long time, I'm sure people wouldn't have a problem not talking about them.

And the "cycle" I'm talking about is that everyone who works this site, suddenly became an asshole when they started. There are a few people that haven't, but there are a HUGE majority that did. I'm not talking about this shit anymore because frankly, I can't keep up with this thread. I've been a huge fan of AP for over a year and 1/2 because of the people here, it has nothing to do with, and rarely has had anything to do with, the website itself. It's a coffee shop, or a mall, or a local hang out to me, nothing more or less. If someone walked into your coffee shop and told you, "You cannot talk about (whatever) anymore!" You'd be pretty fucking pissed.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Neither did I. I left with the band of people who hated Tate because they asked me to, and then I was asked to be on the staff. I was never begging to be on anything, but gladly accepted it. I like the benefits, I would just like it better if I got some help to make it reasonable. We're a joke right now, and no one on staff sees it and cares.
i see it, i just don't put forth the effort because i have little time and there's just nothing out that i'm interested in reviewing. and frankly, everyone is still the same so the forums are boring as fuck.

[Love As Arson]

I am thankful my career isn't going to involve corporate power.

[kidinthecorner]

Yea, Jerry we're not attracting anyone with this talk... lol

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Yea, Jerry we're not attracting anyone with this talk... lol
meh.

[aminorthreat55]

Okay, I'm going to try my very best to explain why people, or at the very least, I, get pissed off about the "not being able to talk about leaks" bullshit. When the staff members post news about how amazing an album is 4 months before it's release, it's kind of mounts tension. Sometimes, albums don't get talked about at all in advance, and I have no problem waiting for them. But when Tate is talking about how Spill canvas' album is going to be the best of the year, and I don't even know if it has a release date, that's kind of fucked up. We, the loyal fans of this website, expect to be informed of current music news. I don't want to read a review of an album that isn't coming out until 2006. If the staff didn't post about albums that aren't coming out for a long time, I'm sure people wouldn't have a problem not talking about them.

And the "cycle" I'm talking about is that everyone who works this site, suddenly became an asshole when they started. There are a few people that haven't, but there are a HUGE majority that did. I'm not talking about this shit anymore because frankly, I can't keep up with this thread. I've been a huge fan of AP for over a year and 1/2 because of the people here, it has nothing to do with, and rarely has had anything to do with, the website itself. It's a coffee shop, or a mall, or a local hang out to me, nothing more or less. If someone walked into your coffee shop and told you, "You cannot talk about (whatever) anymore!" You'd be pretty fucking pissed.
I 100% agree.

[MrChainsaw389]

I am thankful my career isn't going to involve corporate power.
I hope to god mine doesn't either.

[poppa Q]

I am thankful my career isn't going to involve corporate power.

What's your career?

[Shellular]

Okay, I'm going to try my very best to explain why people, or at the very least, I, get pissed off about the "not being able to talk about leaks" bullshit. When the staff members post news about how amazing an album is 4 months before it's release, it's kind of mounts tension. Sometimes, albums don't get talked about at all in advance, and I have no problem waiting for them. But when Tate is talking about how Spill canvas' album is going to be the best of the year, and I don't even know if it has a release date, that's kind of fucked up. We, the loyal fans of this website, expect to be informed of current music news. I don't want to read a review of an album that isn't coming out until 2006. If the staff didn't post about albums that aren't coming out for a long time, I'm sure people wouldn't have a problem not talking about them.

And the "cycle" I'm talking about is that everyone who works this site, suddenly became an asshole when they started. There are a few people that haven't, but there are a HUGE majority that did. I'm not talking about this shit anymore because frankly, I can't keep up with this thread. I've been a huge fan of AP for over a year and 1/2 because of the people here, it has nothing to do with, and rarely has had anything to do with, the website itself. It's a coffee shop, or a mall, or a local hang out to me, nothing more or less. If someone walked into your coffee shop and told you, "You cannot talk about (whatever) anymore!" You'd be pretty fucking pissed.

This is not your coffee shop. It's Jason's and he says NO TALK ABOUT LEAKED ALBUMS. And it's my job to help enforce that. So why do think I get mad?

[Frank Giaramita]

Okay, I'm going to try my very best to explain why people, or at the very least, I, get pissed off about the "not being able to talk about leaks" bullshit. When the staff members post news about how amazing an album is 4 months before it's release, it's kind of mounts tension. Sometimes, albums don't get talked about at all in advance, and I have no problem waiting for them. But when Tate is talking about how Spill canvas' album is going to be the best of the year, and I don't even know if it has a release date, that's kind of fucked up. We, the loyal fans of this website, expect to be informed of current music news. I don't want to read a review of an album that isn't coming out until 2006. If the staff didn't post about albums that aren't coming out for a long time, I'm sure people wouldn't have a problem not talking about them.

And the "cycle" I'm talking about is that everyone who works this site, suddenly became an asshole when they started. There are a few people that haven't, but there are a HUGE majority that did. I'm not talking about this shit anymore because frankly, I can't keep up with this thread. I've been a huge fan of AP for over a year and 1/2 because of the people here, it has nothing to do with, and rarely has had anything to do with, the website itself. It's a coffee shop, or a mall, or a local hang out to me, nothing more or less. If someone walked into your coffee shop and told you, "You cannot talk about (whatever) anymore!" You'd be pretty fucking pissed.

"You can't talk about selling coke"... no i wouldn't be pissed.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

This is not your coffee shop. It's Jason's and he says NO TALK ABOUT LEAKED ALBUMS. And it's my job to help enforce that. So why do think I get mad?
but Jason can talk about leaked albums. we can point out alot of things about Jason, but we won't.

[TheNumberOneFan]

think about it, asshat.

Mr Chainsaw. a song. by Alkaline Trio.

he is a fan of the Alkaline Trio.

he most likely likes the song titled, "Mr. Chainsaw" by, THE ALKALINE TRIO

Love of Alkaline Trio + Love of Mr. Chainsaw + need of a Username = MrChainsaw389. 389 possibly being a birthday, or lucky numbers.


Do you need me to break that down further, son?

wow--

ok, i think Frank was referring to the name "Mr. Chainsaw" as if it made him feel 'powerful' or something. He wasn't talking at all about the Alkaline Trio song at all, just the word Mr. Chainsaw by itself.

that's all..

[Love As Arson]

I have to agree with Chainsaw. It's like going to a homeless shelter with food, and saying the homeless aren't allowed to eat it.

[kidinthecorner]

My job is going to be full of corporate bullshit. That's how the world works. If you want to fix it, start up a not-for-profit company in ANY field. You'll be successful, unless you're an idiot, and it'll eventually catch on. That's the only way to change the world, but who wants to do that? All the hippies drop out of school or go for some dumb degree, and everyone in business is in it for the money.

[Shellular]

I have to agree with Chainsaw. It's like going to a homeless shelter with food, and saying the homeless aren't allowed to eat it.
Why? This is not a leaked albums forum. Go to a fucking bit torrent forum, or an IRC channel if you guys HAVE to talk about leaked shit constantly.

[aminorthreat55]

and everyone in business is in it for the money.
Speak for yourself.

[Love As Arson]

What's your career?
Teacher.

[MrChainsaw389]

I have to agree with Chainsaw. It's like going to a homeless shelter with food, and saying the homeless aren't allowed to eat it.
My chest is going to explode with frustration...I'm sure quite a few people really wish that would happen right about now, hah.

Why? This is not a leaked albums forum. Go to a fucking bit torrent forum, or an IRC channel if you guys HAVE to talk about leaked shit constantly.
But Jason and many other staff members talk about albums they have that are not out yet. Is that difficult for you?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

wow--

ok, i think Frank was referring to the name "Mr. Chainsaw" as if it made him feel 'powerful' or something. He wasn't talking at all about the Alkaline Trio song at all, just the word Mr. Chainsaw by itself.

that's all..
yeah but he was like "ooh, Mr Chainsaw, does that make you feel powerful?"

and to be honest with you, if Frank has a working brain he'd know that Mike was not calling himself "Mr. Chainsaw" but was in fact referring to the song.

[kidinthecorner]

Speak for yourself.
What's your motivation?

[TheNumberOneFan]

and to be honest with you, if Frank has a working brain he'd know that Mike was not calling himself "Mr. Chainsaw" but was in fact referring to the song.

good call

[aminorthreat55]

I still don't get how people don't get Chainsaw guy's point. I also have a problem with leaked albums, and I don't think we should be talking about them. BUT ITS 100% BULLSHIT that staff always talks about it and then we can't hear it. If its great and you got it advance, awesome, keep it to yourself until shortly before the release. It's like taunting a baby with a toy and then not giving it to him, its kinda cruel. For example, Frank and the whole TREOS record. Yeah, its great he got it early and loved it and wants us to know how great it is, but he started talking about it like 2 months before it dropped. It's just fueling the fire of leaking albums. You make more people want it than before and then everyone has to bitch when one person makes a thread.

[Love As Arson]

Why? This is not a leaked albums forum. Go to a fucking bit torrent forum, or an IRC channel if you guys HAVE to talk about leaked shit constantly.
I come to this page and I see the news. In the news it is talking about an album that doesn't come out for months, and how it is the album of the year. Am I not going to want to hear it? Am I not going to inquire within the site I saw the news posted at, as it is most likely to have people who have the files on it?

[aminorthreat55]

What's your motivation?
Remaining true to myself/my field, honesty, working hard, and happiness.

[urowndisaster52]

I still don't get how people don't get Chainsaw guy's point. I also have a problem with leaked albums, and I don't think we should be talking about them. BUT ITS 100% BULLSHIT that staff always talks about it and then we can't hear it. If its great and you got it advance, awesome, keep it to yourself until shortly before the release. It's like taunting a baby with a toy and then not giving it to him, its kinda cruel. For example, Frank and the whole TREOS record. Yeah, its great he got it early and loved it and wants us to know how great it is, but he started talking about it like 2 months before it dropped. It's just fueling the fire of leaking albums. You make more people want it than before and then everyone has to bitch when one person makes a thread.
i see that point, i think i'm being pretty objective in this battle

[Sin Built]

My chest is going to explode with frustration...I'm sure quite a few people really wish that would happen right about now, hah.
dont let it go to your head man, its all talk. its just the internet. do you think im pissed cuz somone took all my "scene points"? no. do i really have to have points to be scene? i mean, i know they are seen as a sign of respectability, but who really gives a fuck? not me. if i have to have a billion points just to have my opinion heard and respected as a thought, then i dont wanna be a part of this site anyways. its all bullshit.

[poppa Q]

Teacher.

This is not an ass-kissing comment, but you'd be a sweet teacher.

[Shellular]

I come to this page and I see the news. In the news it is talking about an album that doesn't come out for months, and how it is the album of the year. Am I not going to want to hear it? Am I not going to inquire within the site I saw the news posted at, as it is most likely to have people who have the files on it?
Yes, but that is called hyping it up so people BUY it. Their intentions are not to make you jealous, or whatever you guys think. They're not purposely rubbing it in your face. I don't understand why everyone thinks the staff is so against the users here. Hello, if it wasn't for all the people who come to this site, there wouldn't be a site really.

[TheNumberOneFan]

I come to this page and I see the news. In the news it is talking about an album that doesn't come out for months, and how it is the album of the year. Am I not going to want to hear it? Am I not going to inquire within the site I saw the news posted at, as it is most likely to have people who have the files on it?

that is a good good point

[chaoticXpunk]

I still don't get how people don't get Chainsaw guy's point. I also have a problem with leaked albums, and I don't think we should be talking about them. BUT ITS 100% BULLSHIT that staff always talks about it and then we can't hear it. If its great and you got it advance, awesome, keep it to yourself until shortly before the release. It's like taunting a baby with a toy and then not giving it to him, its kinda cruel. For example, Frank and the whole TREOS record. Yeah, its great he got it early and loved it and wants us to know how great it is, but he started talking about it like 2 months before it dropped. It's just fueling the fire of leaking albums. You make more people want it than before and then everyone has to bitch when one person makes a thread.
Yeah. It seems most of the people with the problem about "talking about leaked albums" or whatever have no problem not doing it. It's just that when there are staff members talking about it, it probably makes someone more apt to download it, or find it leaked, or make a post here wanting it.

[kidinthecorner]

Remaining true to myself/my field, honesty, working hard, and happiness.
And you're going to do that in business? What about yourself are you staying true to?

[aminorthreat55]

Yes, but that is called hyping it up so people BUY it. Their intentions are not to make you jealous, or whatever you guys think. They're not purposely rubbing it in your face. I don't understand why everyone thinks the staff is so against the users here. Hello, if it wasn't for all the people who come to this site, there wouldn't be a site really.
So then why the fuck won't they wait to tell us until we can actually buy it?!?!?! Rather than three months before anyone can buy it.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Yes, but that is called hyping it up so people BUY it. Their intentions are not to make you jealous, or whatever you guys think. They're not purposely rubbing it in your face. I don't understand why everyone thinks the staff is so against the users here. Hello, if it wasn't for all the people who come to this site, there wouldn't be a site really.
Shelly, let's say your favorite band's new CD was coming out in September and I started hyping it, calling it the album of the year, right now. Would YOU wait the 3 months to buy it?

Now let's say it comes out in the middle of June and I start hyping it, calling it the album of the year. Would you wait 3 weeks to buy it?

[TheNumberOneFan]

And you're going to do that in business? What about yourself are you staying true to?

dont let him get you down, man..

those are the things one should really believe in..

[aminorthreat55]

And you're going to do that in business? What about yourself are you staying true to?
The fact that I enjoy what I do. I enjoy accounting and business. I didn't say, hey I want to make money, I'll get into finance etc etc. It was more, hey I enjoy this, I'm going to do it because I can make a career out of something I enjoy.

[Shellular]

So then why the fuck won't they wait to tell us until we can actually buy it?!?!?! Rather than three months before anyone can buy it.
Oh okay, so then like movie trailers and stuff should come out the day of the movie, and bands should not tour until their new album comes out, and they definetly shouldn't PROMOTE at all.

[richter915]

Shelly, let's say your favorite band's new CD was coming out in September and I started hyping it, calling it the album of the year, right now. Would YOU wait the 3 months to buy it?

Now let's say it comes out in the middle of June and I start hyping it, calling it the album of the year. Would you wait 3 weeks to buy it?
people should just stop listening to music.

[Love As Arson]

Yes, but that is called hyping it up so people BUY it. Their intentions are not to make you jealous, or whatever you guys think. They're not purposely rubbing it in your face. I don't understand why everyone thinks the staff is so against the users here. Hello, if it wasn't for all the people who come to this site, there wouldn't be a site really.
I can understand hyping an album within a reasonable amount of time of it's release, but talking about it two or three months in advance isn't hyping, it is gloating.

[kidinthecorner]

Yea, you guys don't understand advertising. How early do you see movie trailers?

[TheNumberOneFan]

people should just stop listening to music.

wow was that the worst idea ever proposed on this website

[aminorthreat55]

Oh okay, so then like movie trailers and stuff should come out the day of the movie, and bands should not tour until their new album comes out, and they definetly shouldn't PROMOTE at all.
No. All that stuff is within a timely manner. All the stars of a movie go on the talk shows and everything within a week or two of their movie coming out. You don't see movie stars going on Conan to discuss this new fantastic movie they made that we'll see in four months. They come on when they have a new movie coming out in two weeks to just work up the hype at the right time. I'm not saying they shouldn't promote, it's the fact that it should be done relatively close to the release.

[urowndisaster52]

It's Not A Tuma!

[Frank Giaramita]

See you people are failing to understand something, Especially Mr Chainsaw. This is not Jason's, Scott's, Shelly's, my idea to delete these threads. Labels and friends e-mail me telling me they feel these discussions hurt their businesses and cause them to lose money... is that so hard to understand? I'm not going to tell these people..."No, fuck off" bc 1) their reasoning is justified 2) you're talking about illegal things. I personally do not give a damn hat you guys talk about, and I've said this before. You could talk about snorting coke, raping horses and fingering 8 yr olds butts... I DON'T CARE. However, friends and people at labels do and I am kind and open enough to respect their requests, bc they do have good reasonings behind them. Sorry if that pisses you off, but oh well, it's one topic of discussion... big fucking deal. Do not bitch at us for this... if you have a problem with it, bitch at the labels, this is not our doing. I ,for one, perfectly understand why the labels have problems with these discussions in our forums and I really don't understand how people can't understand their reasons for having us remove these threads.

[kidinthecorner]

No. All that stuff is within a timely manner. All the stars of a movie go on the talk shows and everything within a week or two of their movie coming out. You don't see movie stars going on Conan to discuss this new fantastic movie they made that we'll see in four months. They come on when they have a new movie coming out in two weeks to just work up the hype at the right time. I'm not saying they shouldn't promote, it's the fact that it should be done relatively close to the release.
Are you joking?? When's the first time you heard something about Batman Beyond or whatever the new one's called? How about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

STAR WARS Ep. III??

They tease you 6+ months in advance!

[Shellular]

No. All that stuff is within a timely manner. All the stars of a movie go on the talk shows and everything within a week or two of their movie coming out. You don't see movie stars going on Conan to discuss this new fantastic movie they made that we'll see in four months. They come on when they have a new movie coming out in two weeks to just work up the hype at the right time. I'm not saying they shouldn't promote, it's the fact that it should be done relatively close to the release.
Well, you guys just have to deal with it then. This is their website and they'll do what they want. Get over it.

[aminorthreat55]

Yea, you guys don't understand advertising. How early do you see movie trailers?
That's like a press release issuing a release date. It simply says, this is coming out on this day and this is the main idea. It isn't screaming "album of the year" four months before anyone has access to it and getting all in depth into how this crazy drum breakdown at 1:40 in the second track will blow your mind, oh wait except none of us are allowed to fucking hear it for 3 more months. There's a huge difference between the initial trailer, and then the massive promotion that comes within 3 weeks of a release. And the hype on this website should come with the later of the two.

[urowndisaster52]

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[aminorthreat55]

Are you joking?? When's the first time you heard something about Batman Beyond or whatever the new one's called? How about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

STAR WARS Ep. III??

They tease you 6+ months in advance!
But they don't hype it to no end!!!!

Using the good old SAT style with movies and cds

original movie trailer : movies :: press release : cds

All the stuff within 3 weeks of release is identical as well.

[Sin Built]

they should change the thing under where it says general to "talk about anything and everything, except leaked albums"

[Shellular]

That's like a press release issuing a release date. It simply says, this is coming out on this day and this is the main idea. It isn't screaming "album of the year" four months before anyone has access to it and getting all in depth into how this crazy drum breakdown at 1:40 in the second track will blow your mind, oh wait except none of us are allowed to fucking hear it for 3 more months. There's a huge difference between the initial trailer, and then the massive promotion that comes within 3 weeks of a release. And the hype on this website should come with the later of the two.
So what, you know. Maybe they get excited when they get good albums and they want to tell the whole world how good it is. You act like you've never gotten excited about something being good and wanted to tell all of your friends or something. You people are jealous or something. Because they honestly don't brag or gloat as much as you people think they do.

[kidinthecorner]

Because there's 7,000,000,000,000 businesses fighting for ad space. If they could, they would.

[Love As Arson]

There is no jealousy,really. Just the pointing out of hypocrisy.

[aminorthreat55]

There is no jealousy,really. Just the pointing out of hypocrisy.
Agreed.

[urowndisaster52]

Jane, you ignorant slut

[MrChainsaw389]

So what, you know. Maybe they get excited when they get good albums and they want to tell the whole world how good it is. You act like you've never gotten excited about something being good and wanted to tell all of your friends or something. You people are jealous or something. Because they honestly don't brag or gloat as much as you people think they do.
I'm going to post this and I'm never going to talk about this subject again:

shelllular: It was not his choice to not talk about leaked shit, but come on. You know it's wrong. We all download leaked shit, but deep down inside we know it's wrong.

SleepinglsMy9to5: I don't. I always have, and hopefully, always will standby my belief that 99.9% of the bands you and I listen to would be nothing without sharing their music the way I do. I support bands by telling people about them. Those people go to their shows. I go to their shows. Those people might by their shit. I might by their shit. Those people tell people about them. If I told one person about a band, and they told one person, and they told one person...within maybe 1 year, because of me getting a bands album for free and telling people about it, that band might have 1000 new fans. If 1/3 of those fans went to their show for 5$, that's 1000$ made because I got their album FOR FREE

PS: At this moment I'm listening to an album I downloaded off the internet, long before it's release date.

[kidinthecorner]

There is no jealousy,really. Just the pointing out of hypocrisy.
They're sent the CD for promotional purpses. Hence them being called "Promos". They are supposed to "promote" the CD. They're doing what the record labels want.

Start a website, and you, too, can get promos from labels.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Damn, you go away to watch a movie and the shit hits the fan.

[Shellular]

Obviously they're supposed to promote the CD when they get the CD or they wouldn't get CD's so early.

[A_Passing_Hero]

why doesnt someone just make their own free bored and have everone join that one so you can talk about leaked albums again....

[MrChainsaw389]

why doesnt someone just make their own free bored and have everone join that one so you can talk about leaked albums again....
It would be hard to get a lot of people to join and stay.

[Love As Arson]

They're sent the CD for promotional purpses. Hence them being called "Promos". They are supposed to "promote" the CD. They're doing what the record labels want.

Start a website, and you, too, can get promos from labels.
Yes, however, it is a bit hypocritical to say, "Oh, you guys should wait for this album", then say, "Man, this album is awesome", along with, "Haven't you ever wanted to share something with your friends about how good something is etc. ". Well, that's what we were trying to do, for one, and two, ask us to wait while holding it in front of our faces.

[chaoticXpunk]

Damn, you go away to watch a movie and the shit hits the fan.
Haha.

Yeah. It happened in a hurry, too.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Haha.

Yeah. It happened in a hurry, too.

Two hours ago this place was all normal.

I come back and it's on fire.

[A_Passing_Hero]

they would stay for the pure fact of getting free cds....atleast i would if i was a pirate...

[Shellular]

Yes, however, it is a bit hypocritical to say, "Oh, you guys should wait for this album", then say, "Man, this album is awesome", along with, "Haven't you ever wanted to share something with your friends about how good something is etc. ". Well, that's what we were trying to do, for one, and two, ask us to wait while holding it in front of our faces.
I did not say share. I said TELL your friends. That is what they're doing. TELLING us an album is good so that we'll want to check it out when it gets released.

[aminorthreat55]

Yes, however, it is a bit hypocritical to say, "Oh, you guys should wait for this album", then say, "Man, this album is awesome", along with, "Haven't you ever wanted to share something with your friends about how good something is etc. ". Well, that's what we were trying to do, for one, and two, ask us to wait while holding it in front of our faces.
Like I said about shoving a toy in a kids face and then not giving it to him, its cruel.

[Shellular]

Like I said about shoving a toy in a kids face and then not giving it to him, its cruel.
Don't you think we're all old enough to be patient?

[Frank Giaramita]

I can understand hyping an album within a reasonable amount of time of it's release, but talking about it two or three months in advance isn't hyping, it is gloating.

Ya know, I will be the first staff member to agree with this. I personally hate when Jason and others "promote" albums months and months in advance. I think its fucking wrong and ridiculous... I've told this to them too. it's rather irritating but I still don't believe it justifies the discussion of leaked albums in these forums AT ALL.

But our job is to hype albums, and thats why I get tons of albums in the mail. However, I, for one, do not agree with hyping them 4 months in advance... that's totally unecessary. But If you can't handle us hyping them a month in advance, tough... deal with it.

[A_Passing_Hero]

you can talk about getting free cds at forthesound's forum....atleast until we get too popular because of it

[aminorthreat55]

Don't you think we're all old enough to be patient?
Personally I am. I never download leaked albums. If I want to hear an album before it comes out, then tough shit, or I find a way to hear it other than downloading. It's just the principle of the thing. I've never downloaded a leak and don't ever intend to. It's all about the concept.

Ya know, I will be the first staff member to agree with this. I personally hate when Jason and others "promote" albums months and months in advance. I think its fucking wrong and ridiculous... I've told this to them too. it's rather irritating but I still don't believe it justifies the discussion of leaked albums in these forums AT ALL.
I like you, but what about the TREOS record?

[Frank Giaramita]

Personally I am. I never download leaked albums. If I want to hear an album before it comes out, then tough shit, or I find a way to hear it other than downloading. It's just the principle of the thing. I've never downloaded a leak and don't ever intend to. It's all about the concept.


I like you, but what about the TREOS record?

I received press updates from Triple Crown about that album, therefore I posted them. I did not choose to hype it up 2 months in advance... 3crown did.

[chaoticXpunk]

Personally I am. I never download leaked albums. If I want to hear an album before it comes out, then tough shit, or I find a way to hear it other than downloading. It's just the principle of the thing. I've never downloaded a leak and don't ever intend to. It's all about the concept.
I don't download either, but it's what Pete said, the concept, plus the fact that... I mean, people here love music. When a band they like has new stuff coming out, they'll get excited. When it comes to waiting for new music I really wanna hear, it's hard to wait a long time. Especially if it's been confirmed that it's good.

[Shellular]

I don't download either, but it's what Pete said, the concept, plus the fact that... I mean, people here love music. When a band they like has new stuff coming out, they'll get excited. When it comes to waiting for new music I really wanna hear, it's hard to wait a long time.
Yes, but most of us here are grown, and should be able to wait.

[MrChainsaw389]

Yes, but most of us here are grown, and should be able to wait.
We live in the age of instant gratification dear.

[chaoticXpunk]

Yes, but most of us here are grown, and should be able to wait.
Yeah. And I can. But I'm saying it's not easy. Which would lead some people down the road that this whole ordeal is about.

[Fullcollapse3k]

The thing is that it's a rule. It's not their call, they get heat from the labels. Just respect the rule. There's MIRC and there's all the people you talk to on AIM. You can find out when something leaks without it being posted on here.

[Love As Arson]

Don't you think we're all old enough to be patient?
For me, it's not about patience. It's based on economic reasons. If an album becomes available, I'd like to hear it, so I know if I should spend my money on it or not.

[Trainsaw]

For me, it's not about patience. It's based on economic reasons. If an album becomes available, I'd like to hear it, so I know if I should spend my money on it or not.


that's what i do, if its amazing i'll buy it, really who wants to buy a cd and end up only liking 3 songs off of it?

[chaoticXpunk]

The thing is that it's a rule. It's not their call, they get heat from the labels. Just respect the rule. There's MIRC and there's all the people you talk to on AIM. You can find out when something leaks without it being posted on here.
I'm perfectly aware of that. I understand their side. I don't know where I meant to go with my last post or whatever. But I can see both sides. I don't blame the staff at all for not wanting people to talk about leaks when record labels are breathing down their necks about it, nor can I be upset at people who are upset about it.

I guess that's what I was trying to say. I don't know. I'm really tired. So I can't tell if I'm making sense anymore or not.

[Shellular]

For me, it's not about patience. It's based on economic reasons. If an album becomes available, I'd like to hear it, so I know if I should spend my money on it or not.
It's available to them, because it's their job to promote it. You, being a very intelligent person, has to understand that. And yes, I know, maybe they shouldn't promote things as early as they do, but there isn't really anything we can do about that.

[Frank Giaramita]

For me, it's not about patience. It's based on economic reasons. If an album becomes available, I'd like to hear it, so I know if I should spend my money on it or not.

Thats perfectly fine and I agree with it. but you discuss the leaked albums to see if theyre worth downloading and you download the albums to see if they're worth buying.... Why does the "discussion" step need to happen? Have people gotten to the point we're they're too cheap to even download them? Haha.

[SonEric84]

Regardless of all this bullshit, I think the certain staff members should be nicer to the users of this site seeing as how we're the reason for their "jobs"...and yeah I know when they're acting like an asshole they're probably thinking "well hey there's a million others" but that's a fucked up mentality...that's like band members that are assholes to their fans...it's just wrong because without the little people none of this is possible.

[urowndisaster52]

Thats perfectly fine and I agree with it. but you discuss the leaked albums to see if theyre worth downloading and you download the albums to see if they're worth buying.... Why does the "discussion" step need to happen? Have people gotten to the point we're they're too cheap to even download them? Haha.
sadly, yes

[aminorthreat55]

Regardless of all this bullshit, I think the certain staff members should be nicer to the users of this site seeing as how we're the reason for their "jobs"...and yeah I know when they're acting like an asshole they're probably thinking "well hey there's a million others" but that's a fucked up mentality...that's like band members that are assholes to their fans...it's just wrong because without the little people none of this is possible.
I completely agree.

[SonEric84]

^You're crazy if you think I'm reading that.





I completely agree.


It's just a matter of mutual respect....which has been lost somewhere along the way.

[Shellular]

Regardless of all this bullshit, I think the certain staff members should be nicer to the users of this site seeing as how we're the reason for their "jobs"...and yeah I know when they're acting like an asshole they're probably thinking "well hey there's a million others" but that's a fucked up mentality...that's like band members that are assholes to their fans...it's just wrong because without the little people none of this is possible.
Most people here act like an asshole. Users and Staff included. We all think our opinions matter, and that we're all right. We're all stubborn, and it's why we constantly bump heads. But hey, it made for a fun Sunday night.

[urowndisaster52]

SPAM!! (but not really)

Allow me to begin this controversial argument with a few disclaimers. First, I download music illegally. Second, the issue of music piracy is a controversial one that seemingly has two sides: either you are for illegal downloading or you are for the lawsuits being brought against “pirates”. If you are on one of these two sides, I am not on your side. Third, for all of you starving college students, I am one of you. In no way do I believe that you should be spending eighteen dollars per CD. However, I also do not believe that downloading the CD for free is the answer. Now that that is out of the way, hopefully you will let down your defensiveness about your stance on the topic and open up to new ideas about the future of entertainment, specifically music.

Music piracy has been going on since the 1970s when people made copies of cassette tapes for their friends. The music industry tried to fight piracy back then and continues to fight it now. However, piracy was never as great an epidemic as it became at the turn of the millennium with the advent of Shawn Fanning’s Napster and other such technologies. In case you have been living under a rock for the past five years, Napster was a computer application that allowed you to connect to other Napster users’ music collections and download songs from them for free. Eighteen months after its July 1999 launch, Napster had almost 80 million registered users, but was swiftly suppressed by the an RIAA lawsuit filed just five months after its launch creating problems until it was shut down permanently in 2001 (Fisher 111-113).

However, Napster made its mark on the music industry. It opened the door for several “peer-to-peer” (p2p) spin-offs including Kazaa, Scour Exchange, and Limewire. The demand for instant access to music through the internet got the big businesses thinking. Now there are several legal ways to download music through the internet in a direct, pay-per-song way including Apple’s iTunes, the most popular service. However, consumers, musicians, and executives are still not happy with the current state of the music industry. Consumers are still paying too much, artists are still not getting paid well enough, and executives are not happy with the amount of piracy still occurring. All three of these are major problems, but can all be corrected with a new business model for the music industry. In the future, available technologies and marketing strategies will make it possible for music to be available at a fair price, while increasing the sale and availability of music yet still fairly compensating the musicians and producers, thus eliminating excuses and reason to pirate music.


The History of Music Sales

The RIAA claims that record sales have suffered greatly as a result of piracy. The RIAA estimated that in 2003 it lost over $4.5 billion to piracy worldwide (Berman). While I am in no way arguing that piracy is acceptable. Each pirated CD sold does not necessarily equal one lost legitimate sale. Clearly, since pirated CDs are much cheaper than actual CDs, we move further along the demand curve resulting in an increase in quantity transacted. The recording industry exaggerates the effect of piracy on the music industry in order to get tighter regulation and to slow the technological innovation that will lead to a diminishing role in the industry for the major labels.
The music industry has a history of big businesses trying to suppress new technologies that threaten their monopolies. In 1933, Edwin Armstrong, an employee for RCA, patented the FM radio. RCA had held control over a majority of the AM radio market, and felt threatened that they could lose their grip on the industry. RCA decided to keep the FM technology inside the company and took a couple years safeguarding it so that no one else could use it. After a few years and lots of government regulation, FM radio finally hit the market unleashed to half its potential so that RCA could be more profitable because of it (Lessig 3-7).

Types of File Sharing
Almost all types of file sharing, piracy, and music downloading can be classified into one of four categories. In his book Free Culture Lawrence Lessig categorizes them with letters A through D. Type A file sharing consists of those who use downloading as a substitute for buying music. Type B file sharing is the method of downloading and previewing before buying. Type C is using p2p networks to find music that is unavailable because it is no longer published or was never released. Type D is downloading music that is no longer or was never copyrighted. Each of these has a unique effect on the economy of the music industry (Lessig 296-297).

Downloading Instead of Buying
Type A file sharing obviously has a negative effect because it creates lost sales. For instance, I downloaded Further Seems Forever’s Hide Nothing before it was released. I have listened to it over twenty times on iTunes, not to mention the several times on the copy that I burned for my car. I enjoy the CD enough to have bought it if music were available at a fair price. This results in a lost sale for Further Seems Forever and for Tooth & Nail Records, resulting in a negative effect on the economy.


Previewing Before Buying

Type B appears harder to measure on the surface, however it does have an overall positive effect on the economy. Type B file sharing is a way to ensure that people are getting what they pay for before they buy it, similar to test driving a car. When someone buys a CD without having listened to it before, they are not sure of the benefit that they will receive from it. People can then decide if the cost of purchasing the actual CD is worth it. For example, I downloaded Over It’s Silverstrand before it came out because I did not really like their previous release, but I heard good things about this one. I really enjoy the album and determined that it was worth it for me to purchase it when it came out. I also attended one of their concerts which occurred before the release of Silverstrand that I would not otherwise have attended had I not heard the record. Jim Adkins, lead singer of Jimmy Eat World, supports Type B downloading. “I don’t have a problem with it necessarily if people go and purchase the things that they feel like supporting after maybe checking it out. I like the idea of weeding out a lot of the crap that might be out there, I think it sort of forces people to step up and make their albums really mean something” (Adkins). Overall, there seems to be a general consensus that previewing music before you buy is a good thing. However there are several ways to allow for this without the downloading of entire albums that occurs now.

No matter how much the RIAA denies it, Type B file sharing is currently a reasonable excuse for download music for free. The RIAA must eliminate the need for Type B sharing by allowing consumers to legally preview albums before they buy them. The claim that this is already being done by setting up listening booths at record stores is simply not enough. If I go to my local Tower Records, there are, at most, thirty to forty albums available to listen too. Still, other places, such as Borders Books, allow you to preview any album in the store by scanning the barcode into a machine they have in the store. However the number of CDs sold at Borders is still only a fraction of all those available. The record labels need to set up some very cheap or even free service online to allow people to sample any album they want before they buy.

Lots of bands and labels have already begun doing this through various means. One of the most popular ways is through something called an e-card. An e-card is basically a little animated website that allows a band to show off its artwork, tour dates, news, and music all in a dynamic window on your computer. Bands have begun releasing these well in advance of the release of their albums and put samples of the album on them. Some choose to put a clip of every song on them, others choose to put a clip of a few songs, while others choose to put three or four whole songs on them. You cannot download this music; however, you can go back to the link and listen to it as many times as you want. Through e-cards, one can get a much better idea as to how an album sounds rather than just hearing the single on the radio.

Another way bands are beginning to allow you to preview their album is by releasing one song per week for streaming leading up to the release date. There are several sites for bands to do this on, such as purevolume.com or myspace.com. Several bands are employing this method to get people excited for their release and to keep people tied over, preventing them from downloading the album before it comes out. One such band currently using this method is Gatsby’s American Dream, who releases one song every Thursday at midnight on http://www.purevolume.com/gatsbysamericandream leading up to the release of their album Volcano, in stores April 12. Within an hour of each songs release on Thursday morning, there have been a thousand plays for the day. The hype surrounding this album is exponentially larger because people have been able to hear what it will sound like. As soon as a new song comes up, the one from last week is deleted. This also reduces the risk of the album being “leaked” for download before the finished product is completed because one of the main causes for widespread album leaks is that people cannot wait to hear new music from their favorite artists.


How to Reduce Piracy

The music industry must realize that there is no way to eliminate one-hundred percent of all piracy. In the heat of lawsuits, Napster developed and presented a technology that could block 99.4% of all illegal file-transfers on its network. Think about this number for a moment. For every 1,000 songs transferred across the Napster network, six of them are guilty copyright infringement. The RIAA immediately rejected the idea saying it was not good enough (Menn 276). It is not possible to eliminate 100% of music piracy as there will always be ways to copy music for friends. The judge took a zero tolerance stand on the issue, saying that until Napster could block 100% of copyright infringing files, they must shut down. In 1997, the National Retail Security Survey announced that CDs are one of the most shoplifted items in the United States (Jeffrey). Does this mean that all record stores should be shut down because they cannot stop music theft?


People need to be given incentives to buy music and disincentives for piracy other than just low prices to keep them buying music. The music industry needs to realize the obvious fact: a free CD is always cheaper than one bought from the store. This simple fact is the reason that bought music needs to come with more than just the music that can be downloaded online for free. The Singapore film industry has set up an example of this in order to combat the huge industry for pirated movies there where people can buy movies currently out in theaters on the street corner for a very low price or download rather good quality copies of them online for free. People began to have little reason to go to the movie theaters. This is why if you go to Singapore you will see movie theaters much nicer than our own with first-class leather seating and meals being served to people throughout the movie. The industry gave people an incentive to come back to the movie theaters. The RIAA needs to do similarly. Some bands, labels, and websites have begun doing this. Bands are beginning to place more emphasis on the packaging and artwork and linear notes so that the packaged CD is a nice addition to your collection. The band Thrice did this with their album The Artist in the Ambulance by giving unique inserts with lyrics, an allegorical picture, and an explanation of the meaning and inspiration for each song. Other websites offer presale offers such as buy this CD and get a free t-shirt of the band or an autographed booklet or poster as Drive-Thru records gave a free Hidden in Plain View shirt to all those who preordered the album as well as a chance to win a limited edition iPod. Other bands have offered a “golden ticket” type of promotion where one CD has a ticket for the band to come play a private show at your house or some other reward as Blink-182 did with their latest CD. Still, these tactics need to be better utilized and more often.

“But I Still Go to Concerts and Support My Favorite Band”

Many people rationalize their downloading by saying that they are still supporting the musicians by going to concerts and buying other merchandise so they do not feel that they should have to pay for their recorded music. While this may seem like a valid argument, James Likeness, bassist for the band Copeland, in a plea to Copeland fans not to download their new album said, “A lot of weight is placed on album sales in the music industry - not just because of the cost involved, but also because those numbers are how you determine how artists are faring. Our record sale numbers affect us more in this sense than they ever would in the monetary sense” (Likeness). Artists do not want you to buy their album so that they will make money, in fact an album needs to sell near 500,000 copies before the band begins to see any profit from it (Brashares). In fact, a generous estimate yields about two dollars out of every eighteen dollar CD is allocated to the artist. This money is often paid back to the record company for studio time and other living expenses incurred during the recording time. Artists are not making money from sales but need them to prove their popularity to record labels and other bands so they stay on their label to record another album.

With the advent of online music services such as Apple’s iTunes, many believe that the artists are more fairly compensated since distribution and retail costs are eliminated. However this is simply not true. For each ninety-nine cent song sold on iTunes, Apple keeps thirty-five cents, the record label gets fifty-three cents, and the artist is left with a measly eleven cents. Apple simply facilitates the transfer of music to the consumer with no added cost for rent or albums not sold, yet they still take three times the share that the artists do. In fact, Apple recently removed the claim from their website that the iTunes music store “is fair to the artists and record companies” (“Victory”). Even Apple knows that they cannot justify the share of the sale that they are taking. In reality, the artist is actually receiving even less compensation for an album than from a CD sale. This relatively easy and cost efficient software should be utilized to make music as inexpensive as possible and compensate the artists more fairly.


My Proposal

Many have vowed never to go back to buying music because they have been ripped off in the past by paying $18 for a CD from which they heard one catchy song on the radio only to realize that the rest of the album was not up to par. So why even try to make music cheaper? The answer is simply to ensure that the next generation does not suffer the same fate.


So let us take a look at how the Internet can help bring the cost of an album down from $18. The greatest expense that can be reduced is the profit that the retail store takes from a CD sale. The retailer takes $7.00 from every album sale to cover its costs, such as paying employees and paying for CDs that they buy but are never bought from them. These seven dollars can be totally eliminated if the music comes directly from the band to the consumer. The average price of a CD is now $11. Next, $1.50 goes to the distributor of the disc who ensures that the CD is available at your local store and takes care of shipping and delivery. If all the music that you buy is delivered to you straight through your internet connection, there is no need for a distributor. Now the average price is $9.50. I propose that record companies can be eliminated altogether, however this will probably never happen. Currently, the remaining $9.50 is distributed throughout the record company. The company reserves $2.57 of every album sold to help cover its overhead costs such as salaries of employees, rent, utilities, etc. Many of the employees at a record company are simply in charge of finding talent and marketing that talent. Under my proposal, a conservative estimate would cut the number employed by record companies in half. Although it should be more, I will simply knock a dollar off this expense bringing us down to $8.50 per album. Ninety-five cents of every sale go to covering the company’s Artist and Repertoire (A&R) expenses. This consists of having paying for people to go to concerts, scout bands, and paying for the bands to come record for them. If bands are capable of recording through their own computers and putting the music up to sample online, this expense could be cut off leaving us at $7.53 per album. Approximately $1.52 is spent on marketing the album to local radio stations and record stores, but if all of this marketing were done online this cost could be more than cut in half leaving us at $6.78 per album. Another $1.42 is paid to those who manufacture the packaging and the artwork for the CD, this could be cut in half as there would be no manufacturing needed if CDs are downloaded leaving us at $6.07 per album. Now, the cost could be much lower that $6.07, but is that even too much to ask for a CD?


Here is an overview of my proposal for the future of the music industry. First, bands no longer need record labels as they are capable of recording albums on their own. The days of needed tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment to record music are gone. Technology and software now allows bands to record on their computer using simple program that only cost a couple hundred dollars, and this technology will only continue getting better. Next, bands no longer need record labels to push their music on the general public. Through the Internet and independent sites such as purevolume.com, absolutepunk.net, (the now defunct) gigabeat.com, people are able to find music that is similar to their current tastes. PureVolume allows you to search for bands in a specific genre or location, Absolute Punk is a website devoted to reviewing and spreading the word about bands in the new punk/alternative rock music scene. Gigabeat was a unique site that allowed you to click on a band that you enjoy listening to, such as New Found Glory, and it would deliver a list of bands with a similar sound. It costs bands nothing or next to nothing to get their music on these sites, and with the elimination of record labels, the number and variety of independent sites such as this would grow extensively. These sites take care of the marketing aspect of music at a fraction of the cost that major labels charge now.


I also propose that the way that music is sold would change greatly. You would no longer need to drive to the store and purchase a hard copy of a CD or order it from amazon.com. All music would be delivered directly to your hard drive in a high quality format, and you would burn your own CDs with great ease. One problem with this is that you would no longer receive the perks of those CDs with great artwork, packaging, lyrics, and linear notes. However, when you purchase the CD from the Internet, you also receive all of the artwork files in their given format so that all you have to do is print them out on paper identical to current CD packaging that will be available at your local office supply store. All albums will also be available for preview through various means such as the aforementioned E-Cards and purevolume.com so that consumers have assurance that they will enjoy what they are buying. These easy to implement methods create a much more efficient music industry available at a lower price to consumers and more fairly compensating the artists whose work really drives the industry.


The benefits of this business model are endless. First, and perhaps most importantly, people would buy more music than they do today because they would have the perks of previewing that today’s piracy allows for, yet the ability to download an album as a substitute for buying it would be greatly reduced. If music is made available at a fair price, the RIAA can rightfully sue people for pirating music because there would be no reasonable excuses to download anymore. People will be able to find music that is most fitting to their tastes rather having music forced on them by the radio and major record labels. Musicians will get paid much more than the little that they are paid now creating more incentive for people to join the industry. The quality of music released will increase as people will be able to hear most of what they are purchasing rather than just the one song on the radio, so artists will be forced to put out a good product. The overall benefit to society of a business model such as this one is much greater than the benefit of allowing people to download music for free without limit could ever be.
holy fuck, son! did you write that or copy it?

[MrChainsaw389]

I tried to read most of that, but I still disagree. The price of music isn't what bothers me. I just plain don't want to wait 3 months when I could have it now.

[urowndisaster52]

I wrote it for my term paper last quarter.
good, cause if you wrote that for this, then you would be considered a ***

[SonEric84]

I tried to read most of that, but I still disagree. The price of music isn't what bothers me. I just plain don't want to wait 3 months when I could have it now.


Yeah, I don't like waiting...and I buy whatever I download that I enjoy.

[Love As Arson]

It's available to them, because it's their job to promote it. You, being a very intelligent person, has to understand that. And yes, I know, maybe they shouldn't promote things as early as they do, but there isn't really anything we can do about that.As I've stated, if it was reasonable, I'd have no objection.

[Shellular]

As I've stated, if it was reasonable, I'd have no objection.
Well I just don't want everyone to hate me, for enforcing a rule, I mean, that's what I'm supposed to do.

[Love As Arson]

Thats perfectly fine and I agree with it. but you discuss the leaked albums to see if theyre worth downloading and you download the albums to see if they're worth buying.... Why does the "discussion" step need to happen? Have people gotten to the point we're they're too cheap to even download them? Haha.
Most of the threads were about asking for things they wanted, not discussing if they should download them.

[Jason Tate]

This whole site is run by a bunch of fucking selfish pricks, everytime someone decent gets onto staff they get blacklisted like a motherfucker *that kamtin guy and Jon Wark*
I'll make you a deal: You agree to pay my legal fees - all of them; and I'll remove these rules.

ps: I didn't delete the thread, I was out to dinner with my parents.
pps: Don't call me selfish until you can put your money where your fucking mouth is you ungrateful little shit.

[Shellular]

Most of the threads were about asking for things they wanted, not discussing if they should download them.
But you know what this was about today, and you know it's against the rules.

[MrChainsaw389]

I'll make you a deal: You agree to pay my legal fees - all of them; and I'll remove these rules.

ps: I didn't delete the thread, I was out to dinner with my parents.
pps: Don't call me selfish until you can put your money where your fucking mouth is you ungrateful little shit.
Tell you what, you let us talk about whatever we want, I'll send you 100$ in the mail next week.

You act like you're so much better than everyone else here. There are thousands of websites just like this one. If you didn't make this, one of the other ones would have gotten popular and maybe it wouldn't be run by such a jerk.

[Jason Tate]

i remember when tate first heard stuff off the new fall out boy cd a few months before it came out and he said it was the best thing he'd ever heard and how it would "make and break the scene at the same time." haha.
which it did do .. yes?

and go read my post - did i say it was "the best thing i had ever heard?" no.

[Shellular]

Tell you what, you let us talk about whatever we want, I'll send you 100$ in the mail next week.

You act like you're so much better than everyone else here. There are thousands of websites just like this one. If you didn't make this, one of the other ones would have gotten popular and maybe it wouldn't be run by such a jerk.
It costs like 6x that to run this site a month.

[Jason Tate]

Tell you what, you let us talk about whatever we want, I'll send you 100$ in the mail next week.

You act like you're so much better than everyone else here. There are thousands of websites just like this one. If you didn't make this, one of the other ones would have gotten popular and maybe it wouldn't be run by such a jerk.
Each case is $250,000 so .. a hundred bucks won't mean shit dude. My actions may come across as being a "jerk" - and fuck that - I don't care. I'd rather be a jerk still with a website then a nice guy in jail with no future millions of fines and no website.

[Shellular]

Each case is $250,000 so .. a hundred bucks won't mean shit dude. My actions may come across as being a "jerk" - and fuck that - I don't care. I'd rather be a jerk still with a website then a nice guy in jail with no future millions of fines and no website.
You're not a jerk. You're making a life for yourself. These kids are jealous. That's all.

[Trainsaw]

Holy crap Tate, $100....we're talking top of the line lawyer right there. We're talking Lionel Hutz style here.


Shouldn't need too good of a lawyer to tell you that talking about music that has been leaked isn't illegal

[Jason Tate]

it did nothing of the sort in my opinion. i really enjoy it, a lot of people don't, a lot of people do. will it get them popular? it already is. but how is this making and breaking the scene? aren't you exaggerating a little there? it's just a band getting popular and losing some fans because they don't like where the band is headed.
I over exaggerated apparently. I just meant they would be the next Yellowcard/Blink182 - where fans would turn their backs on them based on their changing fan base.

[A_Passing_Hero]

i can see absolutepunk getting shut down very soon just because of all this downloading stuff.

[Frank Giaramita]

You act like you're so much better than everyone else here.

Well, unless you consider yourself "everyone", he isn't better than everyone here.

[MrChainsaw389]

Each case is $250,000 so .. a hundred bucks won't mean shit dude. My actions may come across as being a "jerk" - and fuck that - I don't care. I'd rather be a jerk still with a website then a nice guy in jail with no future millions of fines and no website.
I don't even have words to describe things I want to say to you. I don't care if I get banned for your bullshit. I really and truelly hope the worst thing ever thought up by man happeneds to you, twice. Any one of a million people could have created what you created, but been a much better person and not so greedy.

[Jason Tate]

Shouldn't need too good of a lawyer to tell you that talking about music that has been leaked isn't illegal
Actually, it is. Because we become the agent by which music transfers take place. Same as if a website posts a link (the 2600 case comes to mind) to information on decrypting DVDs - they are responsible.

[Trainsaw]

i can see absolutepunk getting shut down very soon just because of all this downloading stuff.


sorry but that is fucking retarded they have nothing to do w/ downloading, other than people on their message board talking about what has leaked

[Shellular]

I don't even have words to describe things I want to say to you. I don't care if I get banned for your bullshit. I really and truelly hope the worst thing ever thought up by man happeneds to you, twice. Any one of a million people could have created what you created, but been a much better person and not so greedy.
Jesus christ. Go smoke a blunt kid.

[Trainsaw]

Actually, it is. Because we become the agent by which music transfers take place. Same as if a website posts a link (the 2600 case comes to mind) to information on decrypting DVDs - they are responsible.

Wouldn't becoming the agent by which music transfers take place be a P2P or a website that makes that music accessable?

[13th hour]

...and giving links to the material, on webspace that AP owns... thus making them liable.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Wouldn't becoming the agent by which music transfers take place be a P2P or a website that makes that music accessable?

That's what I thought too.

[Jason Tate]

I don't even have words to describe things I want to say to you. I don't care if I get banned for your bullshit. I really and truelly hope the worst thing ever thought up by man happeneds to you, twice. Any one of a million people could have created what you created, but been a much better person and not so greedy.
Greedy? Yah, I sure am making millions over here.

Worst thing happens ever? To a fucking guy behind a keyboard, running a website? Interesting.

Any one of a million other websites still exist in which you can take your attitude to, and when they get "as popular" as this one ... you can get your censored over there too. It's the LAW, I can't fucking change it regardless of how much I hate it. I gave you a solution to the problem, you refused it - so STFU.

[A_Passing_Hero]

sorry but that is fucking retarded they have nothing to do w/ downloading, other than people on their message board talking about what has leaked
i was talking about the second part

[Trainsaw]

...and giving links to the material, on webspace that AP owns... thus making them liable.


yeah if people link the actual material but if they just talk about what has leaked there's nothing illegal about that.

[Frank Giaramita]

I don't even have words to describe things I want to say to you. I don't care if I get banned for your bullshit. I really and truelly hope the worst thing ever thought up by man happeneds to you, twice. Any one of a million people could have created what you created, but been a much better person and not so greedy.


Oh, I'm not sure if anyone thanked you, but I will take the time out to do so.

MrChainsaw389: I, Frank Giaramita, thank you for contributing 3000+ posts to these forums as well as one more member to this websites member count. You're overwhelming contributions and dedication to these forums has helped Jason Neal Tate reach his one million post mark and turn his website into a thriving gold mine. Thanks on behalf of everyone at Ap.net.

In other words, if you don't like this website, stop fucking posting and get the fuck out.

[MrChainsaw389]

Greedy? Yah, I sure am making millions over here.

Worst thing happens ever? To a fucking guy behind a keyboard, running a website? Interesting.

Any one of a million other websites still exist in which you can take your attitude to, and when they get "as popular" as this one ... you can get your censored over there too. It's the LAW, I can't fucking change it regardless of how much I hate it. I gave you a solution to the problem, you refused it - so STFU.
There are tons of websites that gets tone of more hits then this one that HOST the illegal music, such as indietorrents, oink, punk tracker, to name a few. They haven't been shut down, so how do you explain that?

[Shellular]

There are tons of websites that gets tone of more hits then this one that HOST the illegal music, such as indietorrents, oink, punk tracker, to name a few. They haven't been shut down, so how do you explain that?
A lot of torrent sites are being shut down. Things take time you know. Whether you like it or not, DOWNLOADING MUSIC IS ILLEGAL. You can not argue with that.

[MrChainsaw389]

So if Alternative Press magazine ran an editorial of a kid saying "Hey, IM me at xXfob87Xx to get the new Minus the Bear album, you don't think Alternative Press would be doing anything wrong?



Does it make them right?
freedom of speech, dewd.

[Trainsaw]

So if Alternative Press magazine ran an editorial of a kid saying "Hey, IM me at xXfob87Xx to get the new Minus the Bear album, you don't think Alternative Press would be doing anything wrong?



Does it make them right?

I can see that saying "Hey IM me i'll send you the cd" could possibily get them in a bit of trouble but nothing a lawyer couldn't get them out of. But if people just say "What has leaked" there's nothing wrong w/ that at all.

[Jason Tate]

sorry but that is fucking retarded they have nothing to do w/ downloading, other than people on their message board talking about what has leaked

And asking people to send it to them, posting YSI links, and things like that.

Wouldn't becoming the agent by which music transfers take place be a P2P or a website that makes that music accessable?

And when our forum becomes that place - we have to step in. If you create a forum on your own webpace, with your own money, and get all the people here to go there - and then talk about leaked albums - that's fine!! in fact .. www.ugpunk.com does JUST THAT - so go check it out, hang out over there, and discuss all the illegal shit you want! I DON'T CARE as long as my ass isn't on the line. I just graduated college, I want to do this for a living, and a job - I don't wanna work for any corporation .... SOOOOOOOOOOO, I can't very well go and get my ass sued now can I? It's not like I am making this up to piss you all off, it's not like I am saying "what can i do to fucking get under their skins... that's right, take away their freedom to discuss and share music" - BUT I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CHOICE! and until someone can put the capital up for me to fight the lawsuits and cease and desist orders (by which I have many cause of all the "ungrateful must have everything for free" fuckers out there) - I won't be able to do shit except comply.

[13th hour]

If there was another board that was as big as this one, I'm sure a lot of people would leave.
Ive re-read all of this.. and here is what I think

GO MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING BOARD THEN.

Sean did it way back in october 03. Killjoy.
It wasnt a big fancy site, but it was his board and everyone knew about it.
So here, problem solved: Stop being a bitch and go make your own since youre so convinced it wasnt hard for Tate to do it himself. Go on, prove me wrong, you piece of shit.

[MrChainsaw389]

A lot of torrent sites are being shut down. Things take time you know. Whether you like it or not, DOWNLOADING MUSIC IS ILLEGAL. You can not argue with that.
You know, shooting fireworks is illegal in most states....yet I have never once been stopped from shooting them.

[Trainsaw]

A lot of torrent sites are being shut down. Things take time you know. Whether you like it or not, DOWNLOADING MUSIC IS ILLEGAL. You can not argue with that.


Sharing Music is Illegal, not downloading, they have no way of knowing if you own that cd or not in an instance that the cd has already been released. Thats why when RIAA takes people to court its the file sharers not the downloaders, they say downloaders as a scare tatic.

[Jason Tate]

I can see that saying "Hey IM me i'll send you the cd" could possibily get them in a bit of trouble but nothing a lawyer couldn't get them out of. But if people just say "What has leaked" there's nothing wrong w/ that at all.
Not true. Findlaw.com will help you out with this one ....

Sharing Music is Illegal, not downloading, they have no way of knowing if you own that cd or not in an instance that the cd has already been released. Thats why when RIAA takes people to court its the file sharers not the downloaders, they say downloaders as a scare tatic.

Also not true. Completely wrong.

[MrChainsaw389]

And asking people to send it to them, posting YSI links, and things like that.



And when our forum becomes that place - we have to step in. If you create a forum on your own webpace, with your own money, and get all the people here to go there - and then talk about leaked albums - that's fine!! in fact .. www.ugpunk.com does JUST THAT - so go check it out, hang out over there, and discuss all the illegal shit you want! I DON'T CARE as long as my ass isn't on the line. I just graduated college, I want to do this for a living, and a job - I don't wanna work for any corporation .... SOOOOOOOOOOO, I can't very well go and get my ass sued now can I? It's not like I am making this up to piss you all off, it's not like I am saying "what can i do to fucking get under their skins... that's right, take away their freedom to discuss and share music" - BUT I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CHOICE! and until someone can put the capital up for me to fight the lawsuits and cease and desist orders (by which I have many cause of all the "ungrateful must have everything for free" fuckers out there) - I won't be able to do shit except comply.
Apperently you missed the part of this thread where we all said that noone would mind not sharing or talking about sharing if YOUR STAFF didn't hype albums and talk about how good they are (thus admitting you have them) months and months before their release...

[Jason Tate]

You know, shooting fireworks is illegal in most states....yet I have never once been stopped from shooting them.

And the dudes that shot Kennedy were never stoped from shooting him either -- does that make it right?

Nice fallacy.

[AshesAshes]

once again learn to use mirc :)

[Trainsaw]

And asking people to send it to them, posting YSI links, and things like that.



And when our forum becomes that place - we have to step in. If you create a forum on your own webpace, with your own money, and get all the people here to go there - and then talk about leaked albums - that's fine!! in fact .. www.ugpunk.com does JUST THAT - so go check it out, hang out over there, and discuss all the illegal shit you want! I DON'T CARE as long as my ass isn't on the line. I just graduated college, I want to do this for a living, and a job - I don't wanna work for any corporation .... SOOOOOOOOOOO, I can't very well go and get my ass sued now can I? It's not like I am making this up to piss you all off, it's not like I am saying "what can i do to fucking get under their skins... that's right, take away their freedom to discuss and share music" - BUT I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CHOICE! and until someone can put the capital up for me to fight the lawsuits and cease and desist orders (by which I have many cause of all the "ungrateful must have everything for free" fuckers out there) - I won't be able to do shit except comply.


You can calm the fuck down, I was just having a discussion with you about what grounds record companies to press suits by what has went down on here.

[MrChainsaw389]

i wanted to agree with what you're saying, but man you are delusional.
Well, I have been at this for 3 hours.

[Trainsaw]

the act of downloading a cd that you own is not illegal.

[Jason Tate]

Apperently you missed the part of this thread where we all said that noone would mind not sharing or talking about sharing if YOUR STAFF didn't hype albums and talk about how good they are (thus admitting you have them) months and months before their release...

So? You can talk about how good albums are and hype them all you want - JUST DON"T TALK ABOUT SHARING THEM!!!! PERIOD. We have a review section, write all the fucking reviews you want asshole - discuss how much you love the new Minus The Bear, or Finch, or whatever ALL OVER THE PLACe - but the minute someone says - "Send this to me" - or someone says "Im so and so for this album" - the whole thread is gone. period. you CAN NOT discuss how to download or where to download music or offer or request illegal music be sent to you.

i talk all the fucking time about CDs i love and hype and all that shit ... you can too, just follow the fucking rules. are you that fucking stupid?