Come on dudes, this isn't a big deal

[Frank Giaramita]

What is the big fucking deal? There's about a million fucking things that could be discussed, yet people have to flip a shit over us not allowing ONE TOPIC... holy shit eating christ... it's ONE FUCKING TOPIC.

A lot of friends I know at labels and what not feel these discussions about leaked albums hurt their business and they KINDLY ask me to remove some of the threads. Is that so hard to understand? It's perfectly reasonable.

[AshesAshes]

people should just learn how to use mirc and stop maken threads its not hard.

[Trainsaw]

the thread kind of contradicts the message man, you talk about all the threads but make a new one, is there anyway for you to consolidate them?

[Lueda Alia]

I don't know you and probably never will, but I'm supposedly like you. well at least that's what the "What AP staff member are you?" quiz says... so you're cool, I guess.

[Vincewithouthee]

I really don't understand why people are disagreeing with it. It's illegal for them to get leaked, and people are pissed that they're not getting a leaked album. Doesn't make any sense.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I don't know you and probably never will, but I'm supposedly like you. well at least that's what the "What AP staff member are you?" quiz says... so you're cool, I guess.
Eda, if you're cool, you'd take the quiz over again because I've never seen this guy act like anything but a big fucking penis.

I understand he has to follow what Tate says, but Scott follows what Tate says too and doesn't act like the hottest god damn thing in the world when he does it. This guy is like RAWR I DELETED YOUR THREADS BITCHES, SUCK MY COCK. and then he throws up the internet-Sieg Heil.

[urowndisaster52]

i'm waiting for tate to come rule down on these threads

and frank, will it be ok if i use those threads to spam? i think it'd be funny because it would be useless interruption in their arguments

[Tony Pascarella]

people should just learn how to use mirc and stop maken threads its not hard.

A-men. Besides, practically everyone here has AIM. I'm sure if you wanted something and couldn't find it, if you asked around, someone would have it. You don't need to ask for shit repeatedly on AP when they've asked not to. I admit, I've posted in those threads before, but generally it's for older stuff I can't find at my local stores.

It's not that hard to break that habit if you take some time to learn how to do it yourself.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i'm waiting for tate to come rule down on these threads

and frank, will it be ok if i use those threads to spam? i think it'd be funny because it would be useless interruption in their arguments
i'll probably be banned by tomorrow morning.

[kidinthecorner]

If I could be banned, it would be kinda nice. I waste far too much time here.

[ArTkY_]

What the hell happened? What have I missed today???

[urowndisaster52]

What the hell happened? What have I missed today???
you are in for a lot of catch-up reading

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

oh and i'd like to thank whoever gave me the negative scene points and told me to "dude get your additude adjusted you fucking abercombie prep ass wipe"

thank you, my IQ is now 5 points lower for reading that. and someone who's judging people based on the clothes they wear is the one who needs an ATTitude adjustment. but thank you, Mr. "Hot Topic/Salvation Army scumbag/goth ass wipe"

[ArTkY_]

you are in for a lot of catch-up reading
It seems so, I come back and everyones fuming and I'm confused as fuck.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

oh and i'd like to thank whoever gave me the negative scene points and told me to "dude get your additude adjusted you fucking abercombie prep ass wipe"

thank you, my IQ is now 5 points lower for reading that. and someone who's judging people based on the clothes they wear is the one who needs an ATTitude adjustment. but thank you, Mr. "Hot Topic/Salvation Army scumbag/goth ass wipe"
and for the record, I don't own anything from Abercrombie. I'm more of an American Eagle and Hollister guy, it's cheaper and more comfortable. But nice try.

[Frank Giaramita]

I don't know you and probably never will, but I'm supposedly like you. well at least that's what the "What AP staff member are you?" quiz says... so you're cool, I guess.

:animateds

people should just learn how to use mirc and stop maken threads its not hard.

Hahahaha, good idea. I don't care who downloads what... as long as I'm not getting bitched out by labels when you do.



and frank, will it be ok if i use those threads to spam? i think it'd be funny because it would be useless interruption in their arguments


Hahahha, whatever. Do what you'd like, i don't care, as long as it doesn't involve you talking about leaked albums. :animateds

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

:animateds



Hahahaha, good idea. I don't care who downloads what... as long as I'm not getting bitched out by labels when you do.




Hahahha, whatever. Do what you'd like, i don't care, as long as it doesn't involve you talking about leaked albums. :animateds
by the way i dont really hate you i was just finding an easy target and letting off my excess steam.

[ArTkY_]

:animateds



Hahahaha, good idea. I don't care who downloads what... as long as I'm not getting bitched out by labels when you do.




Hahahha, whatever. Do what you'd like, i don't care, as long as it doesn't involve you talking about leaked albums. :animateds
I think I love you.

[A_Passing_Hero]

even better yet why dont people use torrent files to download their cds

[Love As Arson]

I think the label thing is one of the reasons this is so heated, because filesharing have helped these labels become popular, and then they turn their backs on it.

[IAmCountryMusic]

It seems so, I come back and everyones fuming and I'm confused as fuck.
im glad i took a few days off from ap.net.

but supposedly while i was gone there was a thread made about how everyone hates me.
i havent read past the first page yet, but its in my sig if youre interested.

[Alex Djaferis]

i'll probably be banned by tomorrow morning.

fuck that. wont happen. i wont let it. your one of the few with a fucking brain.

[StartingLine182]

oh and i'd like to thank whoever gave me the negative scene points and told me to "dude get your additude adjusted you fucking abercombie prep ass wipe"

thank you, my IQ is now 5 points lower for reading that. and someone who's judging people based on the clothes they wear is the one who needs an ATTitude adjustment. but thank you, Mr. "Hot Topic/Salvation Army scumbag/goth ass wipe"


Haha, too many shitheads on the boards. Ill give ya some points.

[Greg]

the labels need to learn something first before this will ever work. they need to make sure ALL of their artists do their best to make good albums, not an album with a few good singles. since this will NEVER happen downloading will never stop and people will not buy every album. i mean stop making albums with filler. if this could ever happen people would buy albums more often. but even then some people just dont care and will DL anyway. the only way to combat illegal DLing is to make good albums. not albums with a few good singles.

like i said some peopel will now always just DL./ but the real music fans will buy albums they enjoy. but only if its worth buying.


music should NOT be about money. fucking bastards

[Alex Djaferis]

like i said some peopel will now always just DL./ but the real music fans will buy albums they enjoy. but only if its worth buying.




exactly. if no one ends up buying it...it should tell them something.

[Greg]

exactly. if no one ends up buying it...it should tell them something.
so many albums have so much fucking filler. and then they woner why no ones buys it. the labels dont give a fuck if all the songs are good. they think with a few good singles it will sell. but with DLing that doesnt work anymore. they need to try something new. like making good albums,,.... what a fucked concept.

[Alex Djaferis]

so many albums have so much fucking filler. and then they woner why no ones buys it. the labels dont give a fuck if all the songs are good. they think with a few good singles it will sell. but with DLing that doesnt work anymore. they need to try something new. like making good albums,,.... what a fucked concept.

yeah.

I personally love buying albums. I download some that Im not sure of...and then decide. Thats totally fair. How can a band expect to want to buy an album they dont enjoy. It doesnt make sense.

[Greg]

yeah.

I personally love buying albums. I download some that Im not sure of...and then decide. Thats totally fair. How can a band expect to want to buy an album they dont enjoy. It doesnt make sense.
yea i mean i have over 300 CDS and counting.... i love having the liner notes and words and stuff. i buy every album i enjoy.

record labels suck

[SonEric84]

yea i mean i have over 300 CDS and counting.... i love having the liner notes and words and stuff. i buy every album i enjoy.

record labels suck

I'm sure someone will come along and say "well hey band members have to make a living." well if they need money that bad they'll make a CD worth buying.

[AShannon04]

yea i mean i have over 300 CDS and counting.... i love having the liner notes and words and stuff. i buy every album i enjoy.

record labels suck

I guess the problem with this whole thing is the fact that the record industry is just that, a business. The labels want and need to make money, so they put out as many records as they can afford to promote and produce. As long as the record recoups the money they spend on promotion, I guess they're happy. It's unfortunate, but it's true...

[CircaEnder]

i think its pretty reasonahle.. i couldnt believe we could do it before really.. just cause i know you promote big bands on the home page and im sure they wouldnt like it if in the same forum ppl were passing the cd around for free.

[dretti]

I think the label thing is one of the reasons this is so heated, because filesharing have helped these labels become popular, and then they turn their backs on it.

Thank god for you Dom,

Please tell us what "labels" are pissed off by the filesharing. Please. Then I will walk over to their office and bitch slap them, for fucking up good things that they have going for them. Interest is the best thing a small band could have.

so let the filesharing continue, and this whole website will become 75% happier, the bitching will stop......dude

[dretti]

Fuck The PO-LICE

[Frank Giaramita]

Thank god for you Dom,

Please tell us what "labels" are pissed off by the filesharing. Please. Then I will walk over to their office and bitch slap them, for fucking up good things that they have going for them. Interest is the best thing a small band could have.

so let the filesharing continue, and this whole website will become 75% happier, the bitching will stop......dude

Uhmmm, Capitol Records doesn't really benefit out of filesharing... and neither do Coldplay (the reason why this topic ignited last night).

[Frank Giaramita]

the labels need to learn something first before this will ever work. they need to make sure ALL of their artists do their best to make good albums, not an album with a few good singles.
Haha, so... let me get this straight. When a label does have influence on a band's album and pushes their bands to write singles, kids yell "sell outs" and bash the label... but when a label doesn't influence or push their bands, kids yell "download the cd!".... so tell me, how do the labels win?

And watch me care................


Nope.

I personally couldn't give a flying tit whether you care or not, I was simply proving the point that Filehsharing does not benefit everyone like one of the users above stated. S\o yeah, you can go on not caring and that's cool.

[dretti]

Ok, but 95% of the time on here it is very very very small shit, a lot of the traded bands aren't even promoted by this website at all. So therefore, when something like trading a major label band like Coldplay, then I'm fine with deleting it I guess. But as for the smaller shit, let it go.

[Scott Weber]

Thank god for you Dom,

Please tell us what "labels" are pissed off by the filesharing. Please. Then I will walk over to their office and bitch slap them, for fucking up good things that they have going for them. Interest is the best thing a small band could have.

so let the filesharing continue, and this whole website will become 75% happier, the bitching will stop......dude
This just goes to show you have absolutely no idea what labels are like. Album leaks can be great sometimes for SMALL band, sure, but more often than not, they hurt album sales when the band has an established fan base. You can't tell me that Acceptance's leak was good for them - that band only sold 8500 in their first week...with no leak, I'd say that number is 18,000 or so.

[dretti]

Yes, filesharing has saved my life. I would of spent a combined $30 atleast, on buying the new GAD and TREOS, would have been the biggest mistake of my life.

And filesharing has led me on to bands, where I then went out and bought albums. (American Analog Set, Atmosphere, Eyedea & Abilties, Kind Of Like Spitting..etc...etc...)

[kidinthecorner]

Let the labels cut downloading. Then no one will buy the shitty CDs that come out of this watered down scene, so only good bands with good albums will come out, and everybody wins. CDs are less likely to be a waste of money, downloading would go down, according to Greg-the-human-psychology-machine, labels would make money, and all is right with the world.

[dretti]

This just goes to show you have absolutely no idea what labels are like. Album leaks can be great sometimes for SMALL band, sure, but more often than not, they hurt album sales when the band has an established fan base. You can't tell me that Acceptance's leak was good for them - that band only sold 8500 in their first week...with no leak, I'd say that number is 18,000 or so.

I bought Acceptance, only because I loved what I heard on the leak.

[Frank Giaramita]

When bands put out a shitty cd, kids aren't going to want to waste their money. Not all of us have the cash to blow on random cds. Not all of us have cash to blow on cds in general. If the cd is worthy, many of us will go out and buy it anyways. You're always going to have kids that don't follow the norm. You're always going to have kids that don't do what they should do. Should you expect anything more or less? Fuck no. Kids are always going to be downloading. We're still going to talk about leaked albums. So just get the fuck over it.
I made this argument yesterday, and listen carefully.

Kids discuss the albums to find out which ones are worth downloading, kids download the albums to see which ones are worth buying...

WHY THE FUCK does the "discussion" stage have to be done? Are people to cheap to even download the albums now? Download what you need to download and leave it at that, the discussion does not need to happen and it does nothing except piss people off. See where I am coming from?

[aminorthreat55]

Exactly. How many fucking Capitol Records bands get talked about on here?

Oh yeah, not many.

Now how many indie/un-signed bands get talked about on here?

Oh yeah, a lot.
I seriously have sent Driving in Silence cds to over 50 people on this site and they would have a much more localized fan base if not for that.

[13th hour]

Yes, filesharing has saved my life. I would of spent a combined $30 atleast, on buying the new GAD and TREOS, would have been the biggest mistake of my life.



How you dont like The Receiving End of Sirens, I do not know.

[dretti]

I made this argument yesterday, and listen carefully.

Kids discuss the albums to find out which ones are worth downloading, kids download the albums to see which ones are worth buying...

WHY THE FUCK does the "discussion" stage have to be done? Are people to cheap to even download the albums now? Download what you need to download and leave it at that, the discussion does not need to happen and it does nothing except piss people off. See where I am coming from?

Its a lot easier to just download from someone that wants to send it from you. Yes, I am too lazy to wait 8 hours in line on soulseek when I can download it in 10 minutes through someone from here.

Plus, why do the labels give a shit about 20 kids on a messageboard trading when there are millions over filesharing networks, such as soulseek.

[aminorthreat55]

I made this argument yesterday, and listen carefully.

Kids discuss the albums to find out which ones are worth downloading, kids download the albums to see which ones are worth buying...

WHY THE FUCK does the "discussion" stage have to be done? Are people to cheap to even download the albums now? Download what you need to download and leave it at that, the discussion does not need to happen and it does nothing except piss people off. See where I am coming from?
"Discuss" is used as jargon so that all the threads wouldn't get deleted.

[aminorthreat55]

Exactly. Where would they be without filesharing? Not as far as they've come.
Yep.

[dretti]

How you dont like The Receiving End of Sirens, I do not know.

Haha, I just didn't like the full length. I mean it was mediocre at best. The songs are all long and they couldn't hold my attention.

[dretti]

Go Andrew.

Me and you will take it to the house.

[aminorthreat55]

Let's start a cult.

A downloading cult.
Can we wear robes?

Red ones?

[Jason Tate]

When bands put out a shitty cd, kids aren't going to want to waste their money. Not all of us have the cash to blow on random cds. Not all of us have cash to blow on cds in general. If the cd is worthy, many of us will go out and buy it anyways. You're always going to have kids that don't follow the norm. You're always going to have kids that don't do what they should do. Should you expect anything more or less? Fuck no. Kids are always going to be downloading. We're still going to talk about leaked albums. So just get the fuck over it.
I made this simple last night, and I'll make it simple again: I will get the "fuck over it" once you sign a contract taking all of the financial responsibility of lawsuits away from me and putting it on yourself. Once that's done you can talk about all the downloading you want.

[Frank Giaramita]

We have to "discuss" to know exactly what albums are out and which ones are even worthy of getting. If someone who's opinion I trust were to tell me a cd is shitty, I'm not going to want to waste my time. Sure, that's just me being lazy, but I'm an American.


See, I don't understand. You discuss the albums to see which ones to download, and download the albums to see which ones to buy... that's two stages you have to go through before buying the album, and that's two stages that will filter out a lot of kids who have based their judgements on other peoples opinions. In the end, less people will end up buying the labum, not just bc they downloaded and didnt buyt it, but bc they discussed it and didn't download it. It's just ridiculous... there is NO NEED to discuss it and I don't see why it's such a big deal if that aspect of this forum is censored. Do what you do and leave it at that. There's a million things that could be talked about in these forums and it's perfectly reasonable and justified as to why this topic of conversation cannot exist... IT's ILLEGAL AND PEOPLE CAN GET SUED. End of story. Deal with it, it's not huge of a problem and the discussion doesn't have to happen at all. If youw ant to downlaod shit, that's your thing, but I don't see why you need to discuss it.

[Jason Tate]

"Discuss" is used as jargon so that all the threads wouldn't get deleted.
And we know this, meaning we will be deleting threads that are obviously trying to circumvent the rules.

Now, unless anyone has the new Jacks Mannequin CD to send me ... move on!

[Scott Weber]

I know this is cliche as hell, but since when was money the most important issue?
Without money, bands don't get to tour. They don't get to release CDs. They get dropped by labels. The music industry is a business, dude. It's always been about money.

[Jason Tate]

I'm curious on how they can sue you. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm just curious.
Eh, how are you curious? It's not like they need a huge reason to do it ... you can sue anyone about just about anything these days. And cease and desist orders are not uncommon around here....

[aminorthreat55]

And we know this, meaning we will be deleting threads that are obviously trying to circumvent the rules.

Now, unless anyone has the new Jacks Mannequin CD to send me ... move on!
Clearly Frank doesn't because hes saying all this "why do you need to discuss it" bullshit.

[Scott Weber]

Ok. So let's say we stop discussing. Then how do we know what cds have leaked? How do we know who has what albums? We all don't talk outside of AP regularly.
www.theinternet.com

[Jason Tate]

Ok. So let's say we stop discussing. Then how do we know what cds have leaked? How do we know who has what albums? We all don't talk outside of AP regularly.

That's not my problem. Period. It shouldn't be discussed to begin with... so you're going to have to find some other way, some other website, and some other vehicle to exploit for your illegal activities.

[aminorthreat55]

Without money, bands don't get to tour. They don't get to release CDs. They get dropped by labels. The music industry is a business, dude. It's always been about money.
Bands make next to nothing off of cds. My friend on Epic makes 7 cents a cd, which is only $70,000 if it goes platinum.

[Scott Weber]

Shows, merch, donations, touring...

You get way more money out of that then with selling cds.
Album sales are what determine a label's support. And how do you think bands can afford extensive touring? Labels.

[Jason Tate]

Shows, merch, donations, touring...

You get way more money out of that then with selling cds.

But if they don't sell CDs .. they don't get shows, or money for merch, or good tours.

So they can sue you just because you own the place?

Yes.

[Frank Giaramita]

Ok. So let's say we stop discussing. Then how do we know what cds have leaked? How do we know who has what albums? We all don't talk outside of AP regularly.

You don't have friends? That sucks. Sorry dude.

[Scott Weber]

Your link doesn't work.
sarcasm is lost on you.

[dretti]

Its going to hurt more than its going to help.

[Scott Weber]

Fuck labels.
Yeah, fuck labels. Go ahead and shatter every CD you've ever bought online, or at Best Buy, or anywhere.

[Frank Giaramita]

Shows, merch, donations, touring...

You get way more money out of that then with selling cds.


It's not a matter of the bands, its a matter of the labels, buddy.

[Jason Tate]

Fuck labels.
You are twisted. Fuck labels? Yah .. fuck those who pay for albums to be made! FUCK UM!

The concept of money is obviously lost on you. You must think all bands can just go record a CD for free, tour for free, and make merch for free .. and love every second of it with no cares or worries in the world.

Fuck bands, fuck them trying to make a living making music. No my friend, FUCK YOU.

[Jason Tate]

Haha, ok.

I'll still have my cds on the computer though.

And a nice lawsuit from the RIAA.

Well, buddy, what do you think would happen the moment everyone stops downloading music?

I would say that the majority of the bands would just disappear.

Because there were no bands in the pre-downloading era?

You are a dumbass.

[dretti]

And a nice lawsuit from the RIAA.

Yessss, lets sue little TJ off of the Absolutepunk Messageboard...he's trading albums life "i would set myself on fire for you" and "sounds like violence" those are really going to hurt our industry, lets destroy the little 16 year old bastard.

give me a break.

[Scott Weber]

You are twisted. Fuck labels? Yah .. fuck those who pay for albums to be made! FUCK UM!

The concept of money is obviously lost on you. You must think all bands can just go record a CD for free, tour for free, and make merch for free .. and love every second of it with no cares or worries in the world.

Fuck bands, fuck them trying to make a living making music. No my friend, FUCK YOU.
Yeah. Do you even have any friends in bands? I've sat and watched Forgive Durden try and break their way into the scene from NOTHING, and it is incredibly hard for them. They have been touring a ton, and they're broke...playing to 15, 20 kids on the east coast. It takes money to make money...it doesn't happen without labels.

[Scott Weber]

Haha, that is so unbelievably ignorant I don't even know how to respond.Because there were no bands in the pre-downloading era?

You are a dumbass.
actually, probably something like that.

[Jason Tate]

Yessss, lets sue little TJ off of the Absolutepunk Messageboard...he's trading albums life "i would set myself on fire for you" and "sounds like violence" those are really going to hurt our industry, lets destroy the little 16 year old bastard.

give me a break.
Do you not read the news? Haven't seen the grandmas and 13 year old girls getting lawsuits? Heh. They want everyone.

[dretti]

Do you not read the news? Haven't seen the grandmas and 13 year old girls getting lawsuits? Heh. They want everyone.


Yes, for downloading your Britney Spears and U2's, and Metallica.

Not sounds like violence.

[Scott Weber]

Exactly. Where do you find these albums?

On the mother fucking internet.


CALM DOWN. Jesus fucking Christ. It was a joke.
TJ, you are so beat. You were beat 2 pages ago. Give it up. You need labels.

[Jason Tate]

The RIAA can lick my middle testicle.

Hope you have the money for your mouth. How about I send your IP address over to them right now ... let's see if you still support downloading after they talk to you for a little bit... let's see if you still are as hardcore as you are now when you're looking down the barell of a few million in fines.

[CircaEnder]

And a nice lawsuit from the RIAA.



Because there were no bands in the pre-downloading era?

You are a dumbass.

i see your point tate and its actually a good one.. but how many people are scared of the RIAA... i know im not, fuck em.. but i do agree that there were bands before the "pre-downloading era" and they did well im sure.. but theres a lot of cds i wouldnt have bught before downloading them.

[Scott Weber]

i see your point tate and its actually a good one.. but how many people are scared of the RIAA... i know im not, fuck em.. but i do agree that there were bands before the "pre-downloading era" and they did well im sure.. but theres a lot of cds i wouldnt have bught before downloading them.
If you really wanted to preview an album, the iTunes music store provides high quality streams of clips from the album. That's what I do to preview an album I haven't already heard before I decide to buy it.

[Jason Tate]

Yes, for downloading your Britney Spears and U2's, and Metallica.

Not sounds like violence.

We're not talking about "sounds liek violence" - we're talking about the bands and labels who have made it very fucking clear they don't want their albums leaked on the internet. If you're talking about some labeless unknown band .. and want to share their album - I am all fucking for it. But when you start talking about Finch, or Coldplay, or something like that - It's going to get deleted. This isn't fucking hard to figure out .... why would i care about some local band, they aren't gonna sue me .. it's obvious who I am worried about ...so use some FUCKING COMMON SENSE.

[Scott Weber]

Again. The label thing was a joke.

Are you guys that fucking stupid now? These labels must have a choke hold on your dick or something.
I work at a label, I want to make a career at a label, and your ignorance is really hilarious to me. You know nothing about how things work in the industry.

[Jason Tate]

Let me pull out my dictionary for you.

joke ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jk)
n.
Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
A mischievous trick; a prank.
An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation.
Informal.
Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke.
An object of amusement or laughter; a laughingstock: His loud tie was the joke of the office.
Something Jason Tate doesn't understand.
Let me spell it out for you: THIS IS NOT A FUCKING JOKE FOR ME. You can laugh and get your jollies off of it all you want, but this is VERY serious to me, and I will take it as such.

[Jason Tate]

But the thing is, we aren't talking about those bands. I've been asking for shit like Sounds Like Violence, meandhimcallitus, etc etc.
Include in your thread a notorized letter from the band saying you can download their album, and the thread will not be deleted - you have my word.

[CircaEnder]

Hope you have the money for your mouth. How about I send your IP address over to them right now ... let's see if you still support downloading after they talk to you for a little bit... let's see if you still are as hardcore as you are now when you're looking down the barell of a few million in fines.


ok..there is the dick head i know.. yeah tate send everyones ip off this forum who downloads music... your forum would..for the most part be gone..WTF.. what kind of bitch threatens to send ppls ips to the RIAA.. even if youre just making a point.. i understand your point and yes.. im sure if the Riaa talked to me.. id be scared as fuck.. but wtf.. especially coming from someone who gets all his cds free?...

[dretti]

We're not talking about "sounds liek violence" - we're talking about the bands and labels who have made it very fucking clear they don't want their albums leaked on the internet. If you're talking about some labeless unknown band .. and want to share their album - I am all fucking for it. But when you start talking about Finch, or Coldplay, or something like that - It's going to get deleted. This isn't fucking hard to figure out .... why would i care about some local band, they aren't gonna sue me .. it's obvious who I am worried about ...so use some FUCKING COMMON SENSE.


THATS ALL I HAVE WANTED ALL ALONG. I don't give a flying fuck about coldplay or finch, but let us discuss smaller bands. If you catch a big name being discussed then delete it. fine. It was frank the tank that said "ALL THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO STOP." Fuck that. It never will. Ha, but Finch and Coldplay are not on the same warning level.

[Jason Tate]

ok..there is the dick head i know.. yeah tate send everyones ip off this forum who downloads music... your forum would..for the most part be gone..WTF.. what kind of bitch threatens to send ppls ips to the RIAA.. even if youre just making a point.. i understand your point and yes.. im sure if the Riaa talked to me.. id be scared as fuck.. but wtf.. especially coming from someone who gets all his cds free?...
I like the idea of taking something I said out of context, and blowing it up to incorporate the ENTIRE website community.

Are you that dense? I simply was stating that for someone to say, "the riaa can lick my balls", they obviously have no foot hold in reality and the seriousness of this topic. I was showcasing how very serious this is, and can be. I get a souepena [sic] and I have to turn over ALL of your IP addresses, so .. it's benificial that you don't promote others illegal sharing either, cause if my database gets summoned, you're all in this together.

[CircaEnder]

Include in your thread a notorized letter from the band saying you can download their album, and the thread will not be deleted - you have my word.

what about when soco said they wanted everyone to download their next albulm cause they hate their record lable????

[Scott Weber]

WHERE WAS THE FACT THAT I SAID IT WAS A JOKE LOST ON YOU?

God damn dude.
You turning everything into a joke after the fact is what you do when your foot is caught in your mouth. Don't start arguments if it's all a joke to you.

[Jason Tate]

Wait wait, let me go back here.

"If you're talking about some labeless unknown band .. and want to share their album - I am all fucking for it."

Come on Tate, make up your mind.


And they call us stupid.
It's the same thing.. I am all fucking for it, but I need proof that the band is all fucking for it as well. It's not my copyright. It's the bands.

[dretti]

You turning everything into a joke after the fact is what you do when your foot is caught in your mouth. Don't start arguments if it's all a joke to you.

All of your comebacks come back with either a "You're Ignorant," or "This just shows that you're foot is in you're mouth," its quite pathetic. Defend yourself some other way.

[Jason Tate]

what about when soco said they wanted everyone to download their next albulm cause they hate their record lable????
The label owns part of the copyright as well, so unless the label says the same thing - nope.

/Obvious.

[CircaEnder]

I like the idea of taking something I said out of context, and blowing it up to incorporate the ENTIRE website community.

Are you that dense? I simply was stating that for someone to say, "the riaa can lick my balls", they obviously have no foot hold in reality and the seriousness of this topic. I was showcasing how very serious this is, and can be. I get a souepena [sic] and I have to turn over ALL of your IP addresses, so .. it's benificial that you don't promote others illegal sharing either, cause if my database gets summoned, you're all in this together.

i guess we better hope you dont get a souepena..

[Jason Tate]

All of your comebacks come back with either a "You're Ignorant," or "This just shows that you're foot is in you're mouth," its quite pathetic. Defend yourself some other way.
He doesn't need to defend himself when the guy he's talking to is such an utter moron that LAW is lost on him.

[dretti]

Overhyping the website. Like everything else.

[Frank Giaramita]

Well, buddy, what do you think would happen the moment everyone stops downloading music?

I would say that the majority of the bands would just disappear.

I'VE SAID THIS 69 GODDAMN TIMES... Download if you fucking want to, but nobody needs to hear about it if you do... keep it to yourself and keep the labels and bands happy. end of story.

[Jason Tate]

So now we have to get permission from the label as well?

Make up your mind Tate.
Seriously? You're that stupid?

First comment was re: "LABELESS BANDS" - second was "Something Corporate."

Letters make words, words make sentances. Interesting concept.

[Jason Tate]

Overhyping the website. Like everything else.
What?

That makes no sense.

[CircaEnder]

The label owns part of the copyright as well, so unless the label says the same thing - nope.

/Obvious.


yeah obvious, you said band you never mentiond the label thats why i asked..

[dretti]

I'm feeling insulted.

I'm going to go cry now.

Watch the replies to that comment I just made, they can dish out all the shots they want but they can't take them in at all.

[kidinthecorner]

You guys are ridiculous. Be sensible. How many users are on this fucking board? To censor the "discussion" threads to just "smaller bands" would be insanely hard.

First, what defines a "smaller band" as opposed to someone like Finch or Coldplay, to use the examplkes in this thread already. Sure there are extremes, like Sounds Like Violence and Coldplay, but near the middle it gets blurred.

Second, the amount of traffic this site gets would make it so hard to filter through and make sure those defined bands are all that gets sent around, not the bigger bands. Someone would have to watch 24/7 because there's going to be some asshole or some ignorant kid asking for the big stuff anyway.

I can't believe you're all arguing this.

[Frank Giaramita]

THATS ALL I HAVE WANTED ALL ALONG. I don't give a flying fuck about coldplay or finch, but let us discuss smaller bands. If you catch a big name being discussed then delete it. fine. It was frank the tank that said "ALL THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO STOP." Fuck that. It never will. Ha, but Finch and Coldplay are not on the same warning level.

COLDPLAY AND FINCH are the reason why this topic has fucking erupted. I thought it was implied that I was talking about bands that fall under the RIAA's head. In other words, I didn't realize people were IDIOTIC ENOUGH to not understand and grasp my implications and statements. Of course I don't give a damn about the little local band who recorded a 5 song demo and wants to leak it... NO SHIT.

[dretti]

What?

That makes no sense.


I'm sure all of the labels of the world, every day they go to absolutepunk and read the messageboard.

[Jason Tate]

yeah obvious, you said band you never mentiond the label thats why i asked..
I was talking about labeless bands at the time. Now I am talking about both.

Blanket statement:

A notarized letter from ALL OWNERS OF THE COPYRIGHT must be included in any thread asking for an album, or discussing the attainment of a leak of an album.

[Frank Giaramita]

What?

That makes no sense.
Hahahahahaha, i was just reading that and saying the same thing.

I'm sure all of the labels of the world, every day they go to absolutepunk and read the messageboard.

Uhmmm... you'd be suprised, but hey, ignorance is bliss, right?

[Jason Tate]

I'm sure all of the labels of the world, every day they go to absolutepunk and read the messageboard.
Enough do that this has become an obviously big problem. You act as if we are doing this because we enjoy pissing you off. We wouldn't care or do shit (and I'd join in on the talks) if it wasn't for the fact taht labels and bands have many, many times already stepped in.

[dretti]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

its not an AP.NET STAFF REPLY WITHOUT THE WORD IGNORANCE

[CircaEnder]

okay.... this is getting HEATED, in the end i agree with the mods on this one i even agree with tate even though i see him as a tool.. hes made the website and has a good point on this one..but even if he had no argument at all.. if he said not to talk about something id follow it.. so. just drop it.. the labels asked not to talk about leaking music and if we want to keep the community.. we should respect that.

[dretti]

Enough do that this has become an obviously big problem. You act as if we are doing this because we enjoy pissing you off. We wouldn't care or do shit (and I'd join in on the talks) if it wasn't for the fact taht labels and bands have many, many times already stepped in.

Tate I do get your reason, please leave the rest of your staff out of it, they are idiots. We will do our best to avoid the big label shit. But it appears you're just going to have to delete things. a lot.

[Jason Tate]

You guys are ridiculous. Be sensible. How many users are on this fucking board? To censor the "discussion" threads to just "smaller bands" would be insanely hard.

First, what defines a "smaller band" as opposed to someone like Finch or Coldplay, to use the examplkes in this thread already. Sure there are extremes, like Sounds Like Violence and Coldplay, but near the middle it gets blurred.

Second, the amount of traffic this site gets would make it so hard to filter through and make sure those defined bands are all that gets sent around, not the bigger bands. Someone would have to watch 24/7 because there's going to be some asshole or some ignorant kid asking for the big stuff anyway.

I can't believe you're all arguing this.

Which is why we are deleting ALL threads, because WE ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY ON WHAT CAN BE RELEASED OR NOT RELEASED. Purevolume links are fine, myspace links are fine, however discussion of sharing anything else is not fine. We don't know who has given permission for the downloads, and we can't be held responsible for something like that because the excuse "o we didnt know u didnt want that shared" won't mean DICK in court.

[dretti]

I agree with what he says. I would do the same thing.

But these guys are just being morons.

Yes, Tate is doing good. He is defending his company I understand. I'm just trying to reach an agreement, and get everything set. The other two are morons.

haha what if we just start a thread. and all the thread will say is the name of the band, such as

Minus The Bear

and then people can just assume thats what they are looking for.

[Love As Arson]

Uhmmm, Capitol Records doesn't really benefit out of filesharing... and neither do Coldplay (the reason why this topic ignited last night).
Indie labels and bands that got big, especially in the pop punk scene, benefitted from downloading.

[allelish]

I will take this oppurtunity to lighten the mood. Here is some old men getting up to allsorts (http://www.lemonparty.org)

[Frank Giaramita]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

its not an AP.NET STAFF REPLY WITHOUT THE WORD IGNORANCE

It's not a idiotic user reply without ignorance.

Sweet ass.


Exactly.

And I thought this was "Absolutepunk" and not "Absolutecapitolrecords"?

Shut the fuck up and take your argument over to them. This is not our choice to be this way, it's THE LAW.

[dretti]

It's not a idiotic user reply without ignorance.



Then shut the fuck up and take your argument over to them. Good day.



hmmmmmmmm, ok? Right. I used that word constantly. Ok, Frank. Whatever helps you not to look like an even bigger dumbass.

[kidinthecorner]

It should be called
"absolute.tate.doesn't.want.to.get.s ued.so.he's.doing.what.the.labels.a sk.because.he.could.easily.stop.doi ng.it.altoghtter.and.where.would.yo u.guys.be.then?"

[Frank Giaramita]

Indie labels and bands that got big, especially in the pop punk scene, benefitted from downloading.

And maybe they have, but the labels obviously don't think so, and that's what matters. It doesn't matter what I think or what anyone else does... just what the labels do because these songs and albums are their property.

[Love As Arson]

Oh, and by the way, I Capitol did benefit from filesharing:

Yellowcard


A band that got popular online through the trading of their music and went on to go platinum on that label.

[CircaEnder]

It's not a idiotic user reply without ignorance.



Shut the fuck up and take your argument over to them. This is not our choice to be this way, it's THE LAW.

Frank ive come to the conclusion that its not that its the law... its that they all of a sudden cant talk about it... i think if you told them they couldnt talk about sex changes in china theyd be just as pissed...

[Trainsaw]

Frank ive come to the conclusion that its not that its the law... its that they all of a sudden cant talk about it... i think if you told them they couldnt talk about sex changes in china theyd be just as pissed...


no one likes censorship, you should know that by now.

[Love As Arson]

And maybe they have, but the labels obviously don't think so, and that's what matters. It doesn't matter what I think or what anyone else does... just what the labels do because these songs and albums are their property.
There is no maybe. It is the truth. Do you honestly believe pop punk labels like Drive-Thru would have been popular without trading of music?

[kidinthecorner]

Take it over to who?


There aren't any periods in the name.
I made it easier on the eyes, just for you, darling.

[Trainsaw]

Except for when it works for you.


well yeah in that case, and if you're Michael Powell, but he's gone isn't he

[CircaEnder]

no one likes censorship, you should know that by now.

Oh trust me.. i hate the fuck out of it.. i just feel like people are blaming Ap.net for this and not the fuck head record lables..and thats no good.

[Frank Giaramita]

Take it over to who?


Capitol Records or any other label. This is not our choice, stop btiching at us like we are the ones TORTURING you by censoring ONE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. Filesharing and downloading are not legal and these albums are property of the record labels and they feel these discussions hurt their business. If we did not listen to their requests to remove the threads, they would obviously take other measures until we did listen.... THIS IS NOT OUR CHOISE TO DELETE THESE THREADS... IT'S EITHER WE DELETE THE STUFF, OR JASON FACES CONSEQUENCES. Done. The End. Nothing else could be said.

There is no maybe. It is the truth. Do you honestly believe pop punk labels like Drive-Thru would have been popular without trading of music?

Actually, yes, bc New Found Glory were gaining speed way before this massive pirating storm erupted like it recently has. My point is, whether I agree or disagree with you doesn't make a difference. Nothing anybody on this webpage could say would make a difference. Obviously the labels do not agree with your statements and that's really all that matters... Shitty but I guess that's the way it is.

[VeloriumCamper]

A-men. Besides, practically everyone here has AIM. I'm sure if you wanted something and couldn't find it, if you asked around, someone would have it. You don't need to ask for shit repeatedly on AP when they've asked not to. I admit, I've posted in those threads before, but generally it's for older stuff I can't find at my local stores.

It's not that hard to break that habit if you take some time to learn how to do it yourself.

i search around on AIM all the time, and if someone doesnt have it, and i cant get it anywhere, i will go out an buy it...not a big deal

[Jason Tate]

There is no maybe. It is the truth. Do you honestly believe pop punk labels like Drive-Thru would have been popular without trading of music?

You can't decide this without knowing .. it's not TRUTH, it's your opinion. We will never know because we have no control varible to test against. There is no alternative universe without filesharing to prove you right or wrong.

[Love As Arson]

Capitol Records or any other label. This is not our choice, stop btiching at us like we are the ones TORTURING you by censoring ONE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. Filesharing and downloading are not legal and these albums are property of the record labels and they feel these discussions hurt their business. If we did not listen to their requests to remove the threads, they would obviously take other measures until we did listen.... THIS IS NOT OUR CHOISE TO DELETE THESE THREADS... IT'S EITHER WE DELETE THE STUFF, OR JASON FACES CONSEQUENCES. Done. The End. Nothing else could be said.



Actually, yes, bc New Found Glory were gaining speed way before this massive pirating storm erupted like it recently has. My point is, whether I agree or disagree with you doesn't make a difference. Nothing anybody on this webpage could say would make a difference. Obviously the labels do not agree with your statements and that's really all that matters... Shitty but I guess that's the way it is.
I'd say that New Found Glory also benefitted from downloading, and while it may have been before it was as bad as it is now, it still existed.

In any case, we get what you're saying, really, we do, but we disagre, and we're going to talk about it, and point out the flaws in the arguments of the labels that came up, in part, thanks to this thing they hate so much now.

[Jason Tate]

Oh, and by the way, I Capitol did benefit from filesharing:

Yellowcard


A band that got popular online through the trading of their music and went on to go platinum on that label.
It does not matter - I could care less if there was a proven fact downloading HELPED bands, because even if that is true - it's still the copyright's owner's decison to give out their music. that's the purpose of the copyright law to begin with .. so that the creator has control over their work!!!! FIGURE IT OUT PEOPLE.

[Love As Arson]

You can't decide this without knowing .. it's not TRUTH, it's your opinion. We will never know because we have no control varible to test against. There is no alternative universe without filesharing to prove you right or wrong.
Can you tell me that the indie labels that have become big did not benefit from downloading? Without, many of the mainstays in this scene, wouldn't have the audience they have.

[WakingTheMisery]

Can you tell me that the indie labels that have become big did not benefit from downloading? Without, many of the mainstays in this scene, wouldn't have the audience they have.
i agree with that. i would've never known who the faint was. i ended up spreading the news and buying all their albums.

[Alex Djaferis]

if NFG lost momentum it was because their music gradually got worse compared too everything else available.

i see both sides of the argument. i still DL my files, but i still buy the albums if i enjoyed the tracks i heard from leaks.

[Trainsaw]

Epitaph was big before downloading.

[Jason Tate]

Can you tell me that the indie labels that have become big did not benefit from downloading? Without, many of the mainstays in this scene, wouldn't have the audience they have.
I'm not disagreeing, I'm simply stating you can't know and prove that for a fact.

Fat was big before downloading.
Epitaph was big before downloading.
MCA records started as a small indie label (before downloading).

Downloading is not the SOLE cause for an indie label to blow up.

[Frank Giaramita]

Can you tell me that the indie labels that have become big did not benefit from downloading? Without, many of the mainstays in this scene, wouldn't have the audience they have.

You're actually the only one in this whole discussion who knows how to have a formal and civil discussion. And I agree with you, downloading helps indie labels a lot, and a lot of younger bands who are gaining head speed owe a lot of it to irc and pirating. However, our opinions do not matter in the long run and the labels obviously disagree, and we have to listen to their requests whether Jason, you, I or anyone else disagree or not.

[Love As Arson]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm simply stating you can't know and prove that for a fact.

Fat was big before downloading.
Epitaph was big before downloading.
MCA records started as a small indie label (before downloading).

Downloading is not the SOLE cause for an indie label to blow up.
MCA? Are you sure you don't mean Drive-Thru? Because if I recall correctly, Mary J. Blige, and other popular artists were on MCA. It was part of the Universal Corporation.

Fat and Epitaph have sold more, within recent years, even with downloading. They had established bands on their roster, however, other labels, with lesser known bands, have benefitted.

[Trainsaw]

A big part of Fat and Epitaph's sucess was the compilation cd's Punk O Rama and the Fat Comp's

[Jason Tate]

MCA? Are you sure you don't mean Drive-Thru? Because if I recall correctly, Mary J. Blige, and other popular artists were on MCA. It was part of the Universal Corporation.

Fat and Epitaph have sold more, within recent years, even with downloading. They had established bands on their roster, however, other labels, with lesser known bands, have benefitted.
I meant MCA like 30 years ago.

A big part of Fat and Epitaph's sucess was the compilation cd's Punk O Rama and the Fat Comp's
So true - Life of the Streets #1 is what got me introduced to Vagrant Records.

[Trainsaw]

I meant MCA like 30 years ago.


So true - Life of the Streets #1 is what got me introduced to Vagrant Records.


haha blink's cover of good times

[Jason Tate]

haha blink's cover of good times
And MxPx's blue moon!

[Love As Arson]

Does anyone remember when bootlegging tapes was going to damage the music industry beyond repair?

[allelish]

I have a radiohead bootleg tape. It cost about £2 in Ireland and the cover is just some photocopied ink. Awesome tape though....acoustic shizzle.